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Candace Owens. Good to see you again.

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Good to see ya. I was talking to someone about you a few days ago and she said, I don't like Candace Owens.

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And I said, well, she's smart.

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And she's right about most of the stuff she talks about.

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And then she said, yeah, I know I don't like her anyway.

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I said why?

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And she said, cause she stirs up this controversy and she's doing it intentionally.

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And I said, I don't know.

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I don't know. Can we talk about that?

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I mean, you get in a lot of Twitter Wars and there's a lot.

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And I think people think there's a little PT, Barnum menu.

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Like it's cooked up as how much of it is like legitimate.

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Like this is how I feel. How much of it is promotional.

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I love that. I'm such a polarizing figure because I don't really say things that are that complicated, you know?

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And I would just, I don't think that men can be women and they're like, she's stirring up controversy.

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And what's interesting is that that's such a gaslighting thing because the people that I'm responding to are the ones that are stirring up controversy.

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So talking about stuff that happens in the Twitterverse, like when Harry styles puts on a dress, it goes the cover of Vogue.

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He's trying to stir up controversy. They're trying to sell copies of Oak when Cardi B jumps on stage at the Grammy's half naked and humps, another woman on the stage, she's trying to stir up controversy, right?

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We're talking about it. Now, if you told me, if I was just, just saw Harry House walking down the street and Starbucks, and I was like, Hey, I'm going to start an argue with you.

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I want to say something. That would be me being controversial for the sake of being controversial.

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They're doing controversial things and I'm commenting on it because it's, these are things that have larger implications.

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In my opinion, you know, saying something about the society.

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I now have a child who's who's 13 weeks old.

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And the society that we're living in right now is quite perverse.

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It's celebrating, celebrating diversity under the guise of celebrating diversity.

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So everything I say is actually quite normal, but because we've gotten into a place in society where things are upside down and normalcy is heralded as some kind of bigotry, it seems controversial.

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Well, it's interesting what you said.

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Cause you said the things you say are simple and I kind of realize that we're at this place, you know, I always say like, you want to lose weight, diet and exercise done with no more books, no more conversations, no more anything.

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You know, you want to heal a community.

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Dad, stay there, raise your kids, focus on education, done.

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We don't have to have any more discussions about it.

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It's the insanely simple answers are what people push back the hardest again.

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Right? It is. And that's deemed controversial saying it's just the strangest thing to me.

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Like if we lived in a normal society, he even like the word normal, by the way that just me saying the word normal is going to trigger.

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A lot of people you'll see in the comments, like how could she possibly say what?

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Who defines normal? Like it's like suddenly we're all Marxists.

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And we want to pretend that nothing there there's no such thing as normal.

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And everything's subjective when it's really not.

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If, if things were okay and lived in normal society, I wouldn't have a platform think about that.

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I wouldn't have love for him because I'm saying one plus one equals two and people are, want to burn down, you know, society over that.

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They're just like, how could you possibly say that?

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So yeah, I exist because society has perverse.

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What do you, so I, you know, I've been trying to really noodle on this.

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Like what makes people's so agitated by you?

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I mean, people on the left, obviously, what, what does that summon in them?

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And I started to think about a few things.

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People on the left hate people that don't apologize, backpedal are and, and who stand up to them.

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It drives them insane. It's this weird thing.

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It's like, they think they have magic in their finger and they're pointing at you and you're just walking around your life and they're going, but I command you to stop.

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And you're like, I don't care.

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But I told you to apologize, like, okay, I'm not like it's, it's so self-absorbed and it's so narcissistic and bizarre that they're almost, they're confused.

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And then they're enraged by it.

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Right. They're sadistic. Right? What they hate about me is I'm not a masochist.

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So they like to do things like to beat people into submission because it gives them a feeling of goodness.

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Ah, I told this person that they're racist and they took it and they gave a weird apology for something that clearly wasn't racist, right?

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That's a form of being a statist.

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Right. And I'm not a masochist.

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So when they say, I want to beat you over the head, I'm like, actually, no, thank you.

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I'm good with that. What I said was not this or that.

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And I'm going to double down and I'm going to repeat the very basic sentence that should not have offended anybody.

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And that drives them crazy because they need to fulfill that sadistic fetish that lives inside of them.

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So we're just not a good match, you know?

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Yeah. I mean, obviously being a black woman and saying the things you say, I think drives them Well,

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because they're game obviously, because the whole game is like everything.

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They say, the way that they're able to execute this fetish is that they say, well, I'm doing it in the name of helping black people.

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Right. I'm doing it in the name of anti-racism Oh, I'm doing in the name of anti-Semitism, I'm doing it in the name of anti misogyny.

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Well, now you have a black woman and you can't do that.

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And you're going to have to instead think, and you'll have to come back to me with a thought and they're not people that, so they kind of then reduce themselves to a button, emotional bubble because that's in their toddlers, you know?

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So it's like, you're making no sense.

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I'm not white. So your whole wool, then you're a racist doesn't work.

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And it just leaves them kind of holding the stick of stupidity.

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It's also, again, like I always say like all roads lead to narcissism.

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Like I don't think like Rachel Maddow thinks or Don lemon thinks, and I don't care.

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I don't know why that side, once dominion over the other side, you know, Tucker Carlson thinks differently than non lemon, but they're not trying to get CNN canceled.

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Why can't you just keep walking?

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And maybe it's kind of interesting.

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Cause there used to be, I'm a little older than you, but used to be able to say what you wanted.

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And if someone said something, you'd go, it's a free country.

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I say what I want, I don't know that they want that free country Free

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country. Cause you can't say what you want. Right. If it was a free country, president Trump would have a Twitter account.

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We're we're a censored country and we're coming increasingly more censored because there's this idea that only certain thoughts are allowed to exist in those thoughts are, are of the ones that resemble the people that are in power.

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Right? So you, you're not allowed to say thing that goes against a certain narrative, right?

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The mainstream narrative, which in my opinion is actually not that mainstream.

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I think more people are being silenced and censored than ever before.

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And I actually think that I represent the ideas of the majority.

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Like I'd like to think. And I, and I think I'm right, that the majority of Americans don't believe that Cardi B should have been granted woman of the year.

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Right? She was granted woman of the year by billboard.

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She was one of the zoom that's been on her life, talking about how she used to drug and Rob men at the time that she was a stripper by bill Cosby standards, she should be in prison.

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Right. And yet billboard named woman of the year.

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I don't think that's because black America wanted her name woman of the year.

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I don't believe that, you know, any person who saw performance has to have something negative to say about it.

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But people that are empowered at billboard decide, well, this is what we're going to do for whatever nefarious reason that is.

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You know, they're, they're really trying to pollute our society with these abnormal that they're pretending are the norms.

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I don't believe that the average man wants to put on a dress.

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I don't know, call me crazy. I don't think the average man wants to wear a slutty little dress and be like, Oh my God, look at me.

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I think most people acknowledge that's a perversion, but we're being told by all of these media companies that have a lot of power to decide on what the narrative is, that that is perfectly normal.

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And so that's why I hit back on.

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I think that the reason I have the platform that I do is because actually the majority feels this way and they feel like they're not being heard and not allowed to say it without being accused of being a bigot or a racist or sexist.

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Do, what do you think the end game is for core corporate America?

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What do you think their big picture plan is?

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Like you see major league baseball pull out of Atlanta or Coke or Delta or United, was it United airline?

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That's going to do, you know, X amount of African-American and women pilots and the next, whatever.

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Obviously they don't care.

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I mean, I don't, I don't think that they actually care about anything.

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They're they're corporations that care about making money, but there are obviously peddling this narrative.

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I always say Subaru makes their cars with love, but they also make attack helicopters for the Japanese government.

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You know what I mean? The Sidewinder missiles out of them.

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So I don't know who is Subaru. Well, they want you to feel this way about them.

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So is it just them wanting to sell more units or what are they really looking for?

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I think that's way too simple of an answer. I think it's, it's, it's mushy within that.

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And this would kind of pivot us into a foreign policy discussion.

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I think over the last 10 years, China has been trying to take over the world and we live in a different time now.

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So you can't take over because you can't just like roll trucks into America and say, okay, well, Hey, we're here to fight a war.

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It's just a different time. Now. I think that the easiest way to render a super power like America week is from the inside out, right?

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So you're seeing a pollution across the education system.

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That's rendering kids dumber. Literally.

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They've never been more degrees handed out with dumber kids.

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I know when I'm talking about standardized testing, it was the dumbest kids that we've ever produced and they've got more degrees than they've ever had.

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The idea of giving these people degrees that are completely meaningless.

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Like here's a degree in feminist dance theory.

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Here's a degree in Latinx studies. You can get a degree with tink studies.

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Did you know that? I don't even know My Mo my mom was a Chicano studies major.

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And if she went to junior college for like 26 years, she's never paid a penny in taxes.

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So I understand it. I got a front row seat.

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Well, what's the point of that. And the point of that is because you want to create a generation of children.

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That's never been so confident and knows absolutely nothing.

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So they, they know nothing. They're not ever gonna be able to make money, but you can't make money as a feminist dance theory professor, you can't make, I mean, you can put a professor and teach more kids how to not make money.

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You have no practical skills. What do you get when you have a society that is gearing towards emasculating men, right?

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But at the same exact time, China is, is implementing a program to make men more masculine, literally making men more masculine.

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They want their men to be more masculine.

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If you look also recent study released 50% testosterone levels are down 50% from a couple of decades ago.

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That's an incredible thing that should be talked about.

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And, and so when you look at all of these pieces and you, and you study foreign policy and the Chinese belt and road initiative, and you watch, you know, case in point Joe Biden, secretary of state Anthony Blinken and sitting across from China at that Anchorage, Anchorage, Alaska summit, and the China's looking at us in the face and saying, you're not a world power anymore.

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At the same time, China is trying to stow racial complex in this country.

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They'd come out. They now sit at the UN, don't ask me how they, they now, you know, sit on the humanitarian on the humanitarian board.

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And they're saying America has racist at the same time that they're committing a genocide on Muslims in their country.

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They've got a lot of power right now, right?

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And you know, they are the second biggest funders of the United nations.

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They've always been a sleeping dragon.

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And I think the dragon is waking up.

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So everything that I see happening in America, and I could get, like I said, this could be an hour discussion.

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We could talk about Russian collusion.

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I think even China's behind that biggest enemy to China, obviously the biggest threat to China would be its next door neighbor, Russia, because they're another nuclear power.

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And if you are China and you're trying to take over the West, you need to make sure that the West has established no meaningful relationship with Russia heads going at Trump's so hard with Washington collusion because it's likely that Trump would have done some meaningful deal or pact because he recognized about China.

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So, I mean, again, much larger discussion.

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I don't think it's so simple as like, they're just like, Hey, whatever China runs Hollywood, they own Hollywood.

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They, they, you know, they own all the movie studios.

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So they're setting the, the, the pallet in America right now.

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And nobody's talking about it and it's timely.

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I will say that suddenly when people just start talking about it, this stop Asian hate campaign has come out of left field.

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It's the left-field of tackle white supremacy and where they're going to end with that to me is going to be what they do with black lives matter.

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You're not going to be allowed to critique a Chinese person without being called a racist and prediction.

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Just a prediction, Just

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the notion that we're not able to talk about the origins of COVID-19 the fact that we call it, COVID 19 versus all the other pandemics that were named after the city or the country or whatever that that's a coup right there.

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And that's all utterly self-imposed right.

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You know what I mean? That's us doing it to us because we're so racially charged.

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And you know, I was saying, I'd heard about a white lives matters uprising or something in Huntington beach or something, you know, over the weekend.

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And I thought to myself, well, of course, how long can there be black lives matter rallies before it gives birth to a white lives matter?

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Like if this is going to happen, it's bound to happen.

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It can't not happen.

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It's insane. How obsessed with race we are.

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I, I, you know, I know that the news outlets fuel it, but for some reason it's striking a chord for everyone.

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And we dive in on it.

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And I have been saying for as long as I've had a microphone in front of me, stop it.

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This is insane. We're not a racist country.

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Every time I say it's somebody in x-ray, he goes, yeah.

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But come on, you got to admit there's right.

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Of course there's racism. You idiots.

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I'm saying it's not a racist country.

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It's like, if I say that a table of 10 people I'll have nine of them arguing with me, like, there's something so important about keeping this fire burning for racism that even kind of middle of the road, agnostic people can't give it up.

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Right? What is that? I mean, it, it's an obsession and you first and foremost, you have people that white guilt, going back to your point about narcissism, white guilt makes them feel good about themselves.

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Like they get to look at all of their other white people and show how educated they are because they hate being white.

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And they realize, you know, the privilege of my whiteness and all of this stuff.

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And they think that it gives them the moral, upper hand. You have white, that's really a white on white crime.

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Half the time things are canceled for being racist.

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Black people are not behind the cancellations.

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Like I don't want people to not lead the charge to get aunt Jemima taken off of.

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I mean, we all had aunt Jemima syrup in our homes zone was ever offended about this, but now you're having this game where white people like to feel better than other white people.

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And they're starting to look for racism and every crevice of society.

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So that's being fielded by white guilt.

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Then you have, you know, obviously black lives matter, which is an incorporation to an actual corporation.

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That's in the end run by white people.

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And by the way, recently came out that they're also being funded by the CCP Patrice colors.

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The woman at the, at the head of black lives matter is receiving funding from the CCP in through a back channel.

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So you've got all of this going on.

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The CCP, the Chinese communist party, right, that you're talking about Was

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the last thing here. No, the Chinese communist party group inside of this country.

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So you have people that realize that you can keep America in a permanent state of turmoil by stowing the race conflict, because it's never going to be solved because there's always going to be one racist.

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There's always going to be something that happens, you know, where it happens to be a white and a black person.

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If you can spin that as a, as racism, then it's golden.

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So I mean, and this is a good example. My husband, we have a friend who's mixed race and he's sorta this team again, come on, man.

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I've, there's been times when, as a darker skin person where people have handed me their keys and thought I was in LA and my husband said to him, if you think that that's, he's like, people done that to me too.

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White people have handed me the keys. So I was ballet.

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If you are chant channel to believe that every bad thing that happened to you is because of the color of your skin.

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God bless you, right?

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Everybody has you in a car, you get into a fight at a, at a stoplight.

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And maybe that person's black. Maybe that person's white.

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Of course you're going to have, but, but now it's, if you're black, this happened to you because you're black.

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Not because everybody goes through, you know, flipping each other off at a, at a, at a stop sign and then you move on from it.

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So that's the point of critical race theory in, in the education system is to train people, the kids now to see race and to see also sex everywhere.

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They're not meant to get in the school system.

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So we're not going to come out of that. I

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don't know how, I don't know if they know how insanely perverse and dangerous that is to do to a young person.

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I mean, you want to talk about the best way to ruin a person's life, make them think they live in a country where they have a target on their back.

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And it's insane how it's promulgated.

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Like whenever I hear Michelle Obama, Michelle Obama gives examples.

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Like I took my kids to a soft swirl ice cream place and a white woman walked in front of us in line.

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Like we didn't even, it's like Tampa racist.

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It's very, so she said, you know, nobody saw me.

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I'm like first off, you're a liar. You've got 10 secret services on you at all time forever for the rest of your life.

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Somebody saw you. Okay. So I appreciate this little puppy dog story, but like you come in and, and people have to pay attention.

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Cause you're like, who's walking in with like 20 secret service at all time, you know?

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But beyond that again, how has, have you not had somebody walk in front of you?

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I mean like, do you really believe that why people are going in this country and they've never had somebody walk in front of them or that never been cut off while you're driving.

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And like, it, like, this is a form of privilege.

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This happens everywhere. But again, we're being trained to only see things racially because they want these people to become activists and polluting the school system with this to me is a form of it's Hitler youth, right?

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It's Hitler youth. This is propaganda for children because when they come out, you want them to be activists.

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You want them to, to support these movements because by the way, that's all they can do because they know nothing.

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You're replacing hard academics, which would teach these children to be successful engineering, mathematics, you know, the, the sciences and these kids instead are learning about white privilege.

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And then they're going to get out of school. They're not going to be successful.

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And they're going to be convinced just because they're black and not because they know absolutely nothing.

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You know, it's, I I've said it a million times.

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Every house I've lived in I'd have, I had a neighbor where if I was black, I would be convinced they were racist.

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Cause they've done horrible stuff called the cops, you know, everything, everything.

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So number one, number two, I don't know what the end game could possibly be.

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I mean, it has to be a disaster for the black community.

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I can imagine this helping the black community in any way, shape or form is obviously it's going to hurt the black community.

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I

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am. How is the black community doing?

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And what direction are they going?

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Well, listen. So Of

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course things are not going well. And I think things are going to get a lot worse because I made a tweet earlier today.

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There's no incentive to be a police officer today, right?

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There are calls to defund the police.

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There are calls to, to, you know, make policing obsolete, right?

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Which just means that, you know, it's not going to be this big vacuous space and it's not going to be filled.

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The court is going to be filled by the gang members. So we're talking about turning all of these inner cities into Gotham city, right?

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And the people that are going to hurt or not the, you know, white people in the suburbs that are writing Oh, black lives matter on their Instagram is going to be the very people that they purport to help are where the most policing takes place in inner city communities.

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That's that those people are going to be hit the hardest by this agenda.

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And they know that, right?

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They, they don't care that they're willing to have that happen because what does it do?

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It keeps to keep them impoverished, right?

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To keep a certain demographic constantly impoverished and constantly wanting more.

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And at the same time, making sure that guaranteeing that they're ignorant, you know, go to California and nine year olds, they, they did a test.

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They couldn't pass a basic reading exam.

24:43

75% of black boys couldn't pass a basic reading exam.

24:47

Right. But it'll tell you all about black lives matter and how racist white people are.

24:51

Right? So you keep these people ignorant and ignorance is a toddler mindset where all they have is emotion.

24:56

That's why toddler screaming and yell on the floor and why toddlers freak out and ride and loot in their own way.

25:01

If they don't get what they want, because they don't have any education, they're not educated.

25:04

That's the goal. Make them, non-educated make them emotional and use them as pawns to go out against anybody that they want to attack.

25:11

Just say that person's a racist and then black Americans supposed to go out and attack that thing that they wanna attack.

25:16

It's actually the biggest form of racism and white supremacy, in my opinion, and why I say the Democrats are the white supremacists, because they're doing this systematically.

25:23

They see us as pawns.

25:25

You always have seen us as pawns. And all they want is for our job is to be, is to go out into, and to fight their enemies so that they can stay in power.

25:33

I was listening to maybe the daily wire.

25:37

I can't remember I was listening to Ben Shapiro show, but he was just kind of giving a breakdown and you know, the numbers aren't exact, but it's basically who who's here are the Americans that earned the most and here is their divorce rate essentially.

25:54

And Asians earn the most and they have the lowest, you know, single mom.

26:00

And then next is white.

26:02

It's also this weird narrative, the, the problem with all the race stuff that they kicked around, the math doesn't work out.

26:11

You know, it's always, you know, racist, Whitey, racist yet.

26:14

There's other cultures that make more money than white, obviously Asians, right?

26:19

So Pakistani Americans, yeah.

26:21

There are many who do better, but they never bring up somehow.

26:24

So it was just the white people at the top all the time.

26:27

And then not the top. So Asians do the best.

26:31

You know, they make a hundred average, a hundred grand with, you know, 14% single moms and then white.

26:37

He does second at like 70 grand with like, you know, 30%, you know, 8%, you know, single moms then Hispanic is like, they make 50 grand and they have 50%.

26:49

And then black is, you know, 41,000 with 73% single mom.

26:56

So there's a graph, it's an easy graph to follow.

27:00

It's the ones it's not widely at the top.

27:02

It's whoever stays together at the top, whoever dads who stick around and raise their kids are at the top.

27:09

Why in my book, why has it never come up?

27:12

Well, not in your book, sorry, but You

27:16

know, even more interesting way to look at it is if you look at, you know, if you get race obsessed, just look at black Americans, white Americans, you always hear people talking about the wealth gap between black Americans and white Americans.

27:26

Well, actually what you should examine as the wealth gap between married black Americans and married white Americans.

27:31

And it's something like a two point variation, meaning like there's, you know, living below the poverty line, I think it's something like 11% of white Americans that are married.

27:42

And 9% of white Americans had married and 11% of black Americans that are married.

27:47

So it's like just a slight variation in terms of poverty level, if parents say together.

27:52

So it's just one thing that would dramatically change everything for the black community, but that doesn't happen obviously because of policies, Democrat policies, right?

28:01

There's an incentive since the 1960s to tell black Americans not to marry the father of their children.

28:06

And that was started by Lyndon Baines Johnson.

28:08

He gave that famous speech at Howard university saying like, not only we're going to give you civil rights, but we're also going to give you more than that.

28:15

And that more than that was, we're going to marry you to government.

28:18

And we're going to make, you know, we're going to keep giving you handouts.

28:21

You never really going to get ahead, but you're going to want more government, more government, more government.

28:24

And you know, he said a quote and it was that he would have black Americans.

28:30

He called us those Edwards voting Democrat for the next 200 years, thus far slam dunk LBJ.

28:37

He's done it. You know, it's magic.

28:39

Yeah. Speaking of magic, why aren't more black people, leaders in the community speaking up like they, they understand like they, they live their life that way.

28:53

It's kind of, you know, our friend, Dennis Prager always says that the Jews live a conservative lifestyle.

29:02

Like it's about the kids.

29:04

It's about education. It's about family.

29:06

It's about worship, you know? And then they vote democratic, you know, they don't, they don't preach what they practice.

29:12

And there many people in the black community who understand this simple recipe that we just discussed, nary a peep out of the, the people that are the kind of leaders in the sort of in, in college.

29:31

Sure. Well, I actually think it's the upside.

29:33

I think that the biggest leaders in culture, and if we're defining leaders by people that have the most followers are ignorant and there's, there's one thing that Democrats love to celebrate.

29:40

It's the black athlete and the black hip hop star, right.

29:43

People that make music to people that play sports.

29:44

And I think the reason why they focus so much and they'll give us that they're willing to make, you know, let's call LeBron James King, let's call Beyonce queen is because they recognize that these people are not the most educated people in the entire world.

29:56

I don't think when LeBron James is, you know, pro black lives matter that he's doing that because he's trying to send bucket with the wrong lights, because he's not a very educated person.

30:05

He, you know, just barely graduated high school.

30:07

He got drafted from high school and he does know what he's talking about.

30:09

So he's all emotion, right? Because he's not developed his, his, his intellectual side.

30:13

There's no question that, that LeBron James, I think if, if he sat down and took an IQ test, you, you would not be surprised to find out that he's not the smartest person in the room, but he is the person with the biggest following.

30:24

So it, Dr. Ben Carson says, which should be listened to, but Dr.

30:27

Condoleezza rice says, right, she's got one of the most brilliant black women to ever live, right?

30:32

Whose uncle Tom dismiss it, Democrats instantly brand them and call them crews.

30:37

Not the, they never want that person to ever have a platform, which is why they hate me.

30:41

Right? Not that I'm in the same stratosphere as Condoleezza rice in terms of intellect.

30:46

But LeBron, James will give them a platform and we're going to feed to him when he's talking about and show him videos, why he needs to care about.

30:52

And he reacts emotionally because he's not intellectually developed.

30:54

Same with Cardi B. I mean, Joe Biden came out of his cave during the election cycle, the sit down with one person, it was Cardi B.

31:01

Do you think you, listen, you think he listens to Cardi B music?

31:03

Like he knows what wop stands for.

31:06

Yeah. I think, I think he thinks it's a slang for Italian.

31:09

Exactly. Probably. That's exactly right.

31:11

But what I will tell you is that what he does now is that she's got 74 million followers.

31:15

And the Democrats know that if, if she says I'm with him, then a bunch of people who are equally as ignorant as her will follow it.

31:22

And so these are pawns in their game and they don't recognize that.

31:25

And it's, it's sad because I'd love for them to humble themselves, to want to learn it because they would be such truth-tellers, you know, their platforms could be used for good.

31:34

Instead it's used for evil. And that evil is not even being executed by them necessarily.

31:40

So first things first, I, I just know the more free stuff you give to people, the more you ruin the culture, the people, whoever, whoever gets it, whatever everyone has to earn things.

31:53

I come from a family.

31:55

My mom got a bunch of free crap.

31:57

I mean, it was junk, but a free house, junk welfare food stamps, she's at least predict, least productive person I've ever met in my life and angry.

32:06

It is w as well.

32:07

And you know, there was this, there was a story that I'll I'll butcher a little bit, but when we wanted to test nuclear bombs on bikini Island, we took all the folks that lived on bikini Island and move them off of bikini Island.

32:26

So we, the us government could, could blow up nuclear device.

32:30

It's like in the fifties, I think we're trying to experiment with atom bombs and things like that.

32:36

And we moved them all off the, but we said, don't worry, you get all the foosball and beer you want, like, we're going to take care of you.

32:44

Like nobody has to work anymore. They all just got fat and diabetic and became alcoholics.

32:48

Like you, you cannot take a group of people and go, don't worry about it.

32:52

We got this. The government's got to take care of you.

32:55

It ruins the group almost immediately.

32:57

I, I cannot.

32:59

And then, then the politician says, the answer is more free stuff, which is the opposite of the answer.

33:08

No. So you just want slaves. They just want people to control. That will keep them in power.

33:10

If you want to stay in power, you need to make sure that they know nothing, but to vote for you because you're giving them something it's very easy, easy way to win.

33:16

I mean, it's kind of like almost elementary, right?

33:19

It's like the person in elementary school.

33:21

I don't know if you had this, but when they're running for class president, and then there's the one kid who's like, I'm going to give you free launch.

33:26

Everyone's like, everything's going to be pizza.

33:29

Like, that's kind of a Democrat strategy except worked, which is crazy, you know, because they did just like, okay, we're just gonna respond emotionally.

33:37

I'm going to give you free stuff. But the point is, is I want to be president, right?

33:40

I want to be in power and I want to be able to make every other decision.

33:43

And all I got to do is give you some free pizza.

33:45

Why not?

33:47

Well, speaking of the president or the former president, Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, I wanna, I want to drill down on them.

33:56

I'd like to get your insights on them because I feel like they're different than they sort of are as originally advertised.

34:05

I feel like they've, they're changing and we gotta take a quick break.

34:10

We'll come right back. We'll talk to Candace.

34:12

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35:29

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35:38

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35:50

Oh, the Obama's.

35:53

I was, you know, so I'll just give you the perspective of the middle-aged white guy.

36:00

I grew up in a very progressive kind of family and the benchmark for when our country was officially done, being racist is the day we elected the first black president, it was spoken.

36:16

It was like, cause it's hard to measure racism.

36:20

Like, I don't know how racist you are.

36:22

He is, or we have or whatever, but it's like all through my lifetime, seventies, eighties, nineties, like one day when we elect our first black president, that's when that, that Mark, that day racism over and, and, and comedians would do jokes about how he'd be assassinated on the first day and everything.

36:43

But we use that as a measuring stick to measure the end of racism.

36:47

So it happened and Obama was pretty moderate.

36:53

I feel like at the beginning he was saying things like, Oh, if I don't get elected, it's not because of my skin color is because of my policy, whatever.

37:00

And these been changing his tune and becoming more sort of activated, activated, if you will, that's going to be the name of your next book.

37:13

Yes. And Michelle as well, like in weighing in, on all these sorta social things and cop shootings and saying things that are like pretty incendiary.

37:24

Yeah. You know, so I agree with you 100%, obviously we did not, we did not get what we paid for with Obama.

37:29

And you're correct that that should have been the easiest metric as America or a racist country.

37:33

Well, the majority in America, racially, the breakdown is the majority people are white.

37:37

You know, 60% of people are white.

37:39

Only 13% of the people are black. So if we lived in a white supremacist country, a black person would never get elected to become president.

37:45

I'd say it's plain and simple. I mean, that's, you look at the numbers, right?

37:48

And he was, people came out, overwhelmingly supported him, white people, supported him.

37:52

And it was because he delivered this dream that, you know, we can finally put this behind us.

37:56

And he's pivoted on that obviously.

37:58

And the reasons for that is simple. Barack Obama was an unknown guy who went into the white house.

38:04

He took a lot of money from a lot of people.

38:05

You don't take a lot of money from a lot of people and get to keep your voice.

38:09

I mean, for all intensive purposes, the presidency is really supposed to just be a form of puppetry.

38:15

You know, they're not in control of the corporations that back them.

38:18

What do you think that these people want to give all this money to these people for it's for influence, right?

38:22

They want to make sure that when you're in office, these are the policies that you are not and whatever it is, whatever backend deals you're doing to sit at that table, you know, you compromise your soul.

38:30

And that's unfortunately what Barack Obama did, you know, smart guy, great speaker.

38:33

It was successful at Harvard for a lot of first and a lot of feats, but he wasn't a man that was in control because he took a lot of money to get to where he was.

38:40

And the, on the opposite side of that is Trump.

38:43

It was a story of a man. He didn't need anybody to help him get to where he was.

38:46

He had his own celebrity, he had his own money and he got into the white house and look what they did to him because they couldn't control him.

38:51

Right. Because they weren't able to control him as a story of how you know, not how, but why the media wanted to essentially assassinate him electronically.

39:01

Right. Is all of these lies and stories. They brought about him.

39:03

So it's a tale of two presidencies, one a man, that's a hostage.

39:06

And that's what he continues to be. Him and Michelle are hostages and you know, Trump not allowed to speak Like

39:15

a pejorative, like explain the hostage.

39:18

Yeah, it is. I mean, it is a pejorative, I guess, in a sense, but it's no, it's not really a majority of, it's just a description of a hostage, meaning that you're not allowed to be who you are and say what you think.

39:27

And that's not just at his level. You and I had a discussion on my show about people in Hollywood and I asked you, why don't they have on these guests on their shows?

39:35

And you said, you know, or why don't they grill certain people when they're on their show?

39:38

Like Hunter Biden, you know, why, why aren't you asking these meaningful questions about prostitutes and all of this stuff?

39:44

And the answer is simple because then they wouldn't have a show.

39:46

So your hostage at your own show, it's a show, it's got your name on it, but you've got no control over it because it's your whole livelihood.

39:51

Musicians are hostages. You know this, you know, Hollywood people, that message me and say, I'm a conservative, but I can't say anything.

39:56

You're a hostage or in a hostage situation.

39:58

If you say something, your life is going to be taken from you, you know?

40:02

And I mean that literally they're all, they'll take the accolades, the awards you'll get blacklisted.

40:06

You won't be able to hang out with anybody. You won't get another show and they're able to book another show.

40:10

So that's a hostage situation.

40:11

You're not actually in control of your own life.

40:14

Do you feel so I've speculated that the folks that are trying to hold people hostage are creating you and Ben Shapiro.

40:26

I don't mean creating, but they're inadvertently just like we, we spoke at the beginning that black lives matter.

40:35

The movement is unfortunately going to give birth to a counter movement, which for, you know, it's essentially, it's like people been talking about the clan and won't stop talking about the Klan when the Klan has no power in this country.

40:51

And no numbers in this country are inadvertently starting to create like a 2.0 kind of kind of plan.

40:59

This makes sense. And well, it, it, it could go no other way.

41:04

There's going to be again. There's going to be a yes, you're right.

41:06

You're going to create this. It's going to, we're going to create that.

41:09

Like, that's how it's going to work. And all of the Hollywood super liberals and cancel culture and everything has to be the best news ever to the daily wire and Candace Owens and venture para and all the people.

41:24

I mean, I've just been walking around the campus here.

41:26

This is quite an operation.

41:28

And I feel like it's sorta like a balloon.

41:33

That's half full with air and you squeeze one side of it.

41:37

And the other side bulges up.

41:38

Then you don't just squeeze one side and have it go away.

41:41

You squeeze. And it goes by all.

41:42

And that's what you guys are sort of doing.

41:45

Like, it's, it's the best, it's the greatest favor ever.

41:50

And I think it's going to give birth to more and there's going to be bigger movements and more, more podcasts and more shows and more conservative.

41:59

And more people realize that they have to get out of that Hollywood system.

42:04

You can't, you can't operate in that system.

42:07

What you're describing is pretty much culture gives birth to counterculture until counterculture becomes culture, right?

42:13

That's the equilibrium, right? It's that, that is what is happening right now where it's, I have the best job in circumstance ever.

42:21

Right? I get to tell the truth.

42:22

I don't have to compromise myself.

42:24

I'm not owned by any corporations, right?

42:26

There's nobody that owns Candace Owens.

42:28

You know, I have my own platform and I get to get people that are inspired and are then giving themselves permission to say, I think this is crazy.

42:35

And it's good to know that I can go to this place.

42:37

And here, you know, truth.

42:39

I can hear things that are not controversial, shouldn't be controversial.

42:42

And I know that I'm not going crazy.

42:43

And so that's why Bengio gets a platform.

42:46

That's where I can have someone's gets a platform. That's why all of these conservatives that they hate so much, and they're trying to sensor advance.

42:52

Why Trump gets extra 10 million votes after being an officer, you know, the most fundamentally spat on figuratively president ever, right?

43:02

There's never been someone who's been accused of being a racist more than Trump.

43:05

And that's incredible because there are actual presidents that were in office that were real racism were saying the N word, you know, in every other sentence.

43:11

And yet, despite him being accused of being racist, a sexist and misogynist day in and day out being accused of being incestuous even said he had feelings for Ivanka.

43:18

Despite that Trump gained 10 million votes in this country, he increased his support amongst black men.

43:25

And he doubled his support amongst black women.

43:28

So incredible.

43:30

Wow. That's the real story here, right? That America doesn't care anymore.

43:33

What's being said in the mainstream media, because the mainstream, as I said earlier, it's not actually mainstream to just try to make you think it is.

43:41

Well, I think what I think we discovered a short period ago that celebrity endorsements don't mean shit.

43:48

And we used to think, Oh, if we could just get Robert DeNiro to endorse our candidate or our ice cream, or like, Oh, that that'd be huge.

43:57

And you find out like, you know, Oprah and Robert and Erin stuff, they all endorse some candidate.

44:03

And then, then they, then they lose.

44:05

And it was like kind of this weird peek behind the curtain at the wizard.

44:10

You know, don't mind the man behind the curtain kind of situation.

44:13

And I think that's, what's going on with the media.

44:17

Now. I think people are like, See the little guy, the little wizard pull in the, Believe

44:21

it anymore.

44:22

It's like, that's Mike trying to leave You.

44:28

Just someone who's listening to this podcast.

44:30

Somebody just, No,

44:34

it's like I heard there was the whole Gates thing.

44:38

And there's unnamed sources from the white house.

44:41

Tell the former Trump administration, unnamed sources tell the New York times, blah, blah, blah.

44:49

And I was like, I'm done with unnamed sources about the Trump white house.

44:53

Right. I'm no longer do I, but it's the New York times.

44:56

Yeah. If you would've told me that eight years ago, I would've went okay.

45:00

Now I hear an unnamed sources from the Trump administration say, and the New York times just reporting it.

45:08

And I just keep walking and I tell people all the time, it may be true.

45:13

I just don't know it anymore.

45:15

It's it's, it's the boy who cried Wolf. I mean, like we do actually need real journalists.

45:18

They don't exist anymore. We just have activists.

45:20

Right. Few and far between maybe a couple of them exist.

45:22

We just have activists.

45:24

Right. And the problem with that is that we still need journalists.

45:28

Right? So there's going to be a story where we actually need someone to say, this is a really bad thing that happened.

45:33

We need to pay attention to it. But because, you know, we have just realized that nothing to tell us is true, that there constantly is going on.

45:39

People at these are just hit jobs. If everybody's a racist, you know, err is racist.

45:42

That was an actual headline in, in the Washington post last year that, you know, even air is racist, white people aren't even allowed to breed the same areas as a white people.

45:52

No one wants to hear anymore.

45:53

It's just like, you could literally walk in and tell us that the sky was falling and we just wouldn't believe it because he'd be like from the New York times.

46:00

Okay. Yeah. All done. They just want the sky to fall because Trump's president sort of thing.

46:03

You know, I haven't yet. I have a theory to float with you, which is, I'm not very educated, but I, I just sit around and sort of look at trends and try to pick up trends and sort of sociological trends.

46:19

And I was around for a long time before we had our first black president.

46:24

And again, that was, we were going to usher in a new era of non racism because we now have our first black president.

46:34

I noticed us doubling down on the racism theories.

46:41

After we did this, it was like almost as if the man who, or CNN or popular culture went, how do we keep this narrative of living in a racist country?

46:56

When we have a two term black president, how do we keep this narrative going?

47:01

It seems like we just shot holes in our own narrative.

47:04

And they all got together and went, we got to triple down.

47:08

Now we got to crate.

47:09

We got to find racism everywhere And

47:13

they extended it. Right? So then they moved on to cause they're, I think the Democrat plan became all we're going to do is pick people that seem like a little guy, right?

47:20

So they went from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton, right.

47:23

Running Hillary Clinton. And then that was when the me too movement started and women have been oppressed and haven't been able to speak out and all of these things, even though we're dominating men in virtually almost every statistic, right.

47:32

Men are higher suicide rates. Men are in graduate college as high as women, but this is it.

47:36

We're going to, it's just a narrative or a limit.

47:38

Yeah. Yeah.

47:40

You guys have the ultimate luck, all the belly aching about 72 cents to the man.

47:45

You guys live like eight years longer than we do.

47:48

80% of all the spending purchasing power in this country is dominated by women.

47:51

And yet they started focusing on this area because suddenly they wanted people to really focus on this ism because they wanted this person to be president.

47:57

So they, they actually said, racism is not enough.

48:00

Where else can we extend things? And this is how we've arrived at like trans kids.

48:04

You know what I mean? Like more where is more things that could be happening to gay people?

48:08

Can we find how many letters can we tack on to LGBT?

48:10

Tell enough we the T a Q and R and S T U V w X, Y, and Z, because the Z people have not been allowed to speak.

48:18

And if we don't help the Z people, then what is this country?

48:22

But if it will be bigoted backwards.

48:24

Yeah. I know it. If you watch CNN, you'd think this country was 46% transexual.

48:30

Yeah. I like, I really wouldn't.

48:32

I, I, I literally, I always tell the story, but it makes me laugh.

48:36

Cause how people are, my sister used to be a hairdresser.

48:39

She worked in silver Lake on Hyperion, a very gay part of super gay.

48:45

And that's all she saw.

48:47

I sent her once. She was like 22.

48:49

I said, what percentage of males they think are gay?

48:52

And she's like, well, I don't know, 80% because that's, she lived in it.

48:57

You know what I mean? Actually, I think if you've just watched CNN, you think we're in the mid forties, transsexuals, like this notion that they pick these things that don't make a difference to society day in and day out, have no impact whatsoever.

49:12

Just don't there's this, you know, I, there's more impact of Africanized killer bees coming in from Mexico or, or murder Hornet.

49:21

There's just, it's not a thing.

49:23

And then they, then they, then they turn it into this thing.

49:27

And then we argue over it. It's like At

49:29

the same time, if they're turning into this thing is that they're creating as they realize that they're just creating trans people.

49:34

So like statistics, and I can't remember the exact number, Michael knows cover this.

49:38

And it was stunning. The statistics of people that identified as trans 10 years ago versus, or five years ago versus today.

49:45

So in the last five years, because they're not programming people to think they can pick their genders.

49:48

It's the whole point of this. Right? So like, we didn't learn.

49:50

This is not a thing. When I was a kid, it was just like, I'm a girl, you're a boy.

49:53

Great. I was tomboy for a few years. No one was like, well, Candice, you liked, you went around with the boys.

49:56

Maybe your name's really Michael. Nobody tried to like program me that way.

49:59

It was just like, you know, like a little girl running around the playground with boys.

50:03

And then I went through puberty and suddenly I thought those guys were hot.

50:05

Now there's this focus on it's type of child abuse on, on telling children that they could pick their genders and that they're trans.

50:13

And let me just say this very clearly, you show me a trans child.

50:17

It's like showing me a vegan dog. I know he's making the decisions in the household.

50:19

This whole thing is a trench out because you still don't know anything.

50:22

Right. I assume if a child is on these videos going, I am transgender.

50:25

That is, that tells you, who's making the parents are teaching the kid this and telling them that there's no vegan dog.

50:33

There's no trans child. There's a fucked up parent at the top of that part of my language.

50:38

No, that's fine. I like your passion.

50:39

I

50:39

can

50:39

hear

50:42

Dr. Drew's voice in my head.

50:44

And he would say, there is gender dysphoria.

50:48

It doesn't happen at that age. Oh, you don't even know what gender is.

50:51

Even the idea that kids even understand the sexuality.

50:53

I mean, are you kidding? It doesn't mean anything.

50:56

Think about, try to actually in your head, imagine what you were doing at five years old, four years old.

51:02

Okay. And you forget, you forget, like, it's like, isn't the idea that kids are sitting around going, what's your gender?

51:08

I actually feel like, I mean like kids are five years old.

51:12

I made in school. They think they're mermaids.

51:14

I had a girl who thought, literally thought she was mermaid.

51:16

Like she literally, when I tell you, I'll never forget.

51:18

Three time turns up and cried did not want to get out of the tub because she swore to me, she was a mermaid.

51:24

Right? My job in that scenario as an adult was not to go.

51:26

She picked her species is a mermaid.

51:29

Get

51:29

out

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of

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the

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top

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right

51:29

now

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because

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you're

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a

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human

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being

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and

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let's

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go,

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they're

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waiting

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for

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adults

51:29

to

51:29

be

51:36

adults. Like kids say things all the time on Batman, Superman.

51:40

Oh the job of the parents not to go, okay, try to fly off the house.

51:45

Superman it's to no, no, no.

51:47

You're not. You know, kids, little three-year-olds put their feet, you know?

51:49

And of course, little boys, all the time, little, two year old wheels, they see heels.

51:53

They look interesting. They put their feet in the Hills.

51:54

The job of the parent is not to go, well, maybe you're a woman.

51:58

Maybe you want to be a woman because I see that your feet are in my, the parents are nuts, right?

52:03

They're trying to legitimize every thought feeling and sentence that a child says when the truth is, they're just children.

52:08

They say ridiculous things all the time.

52:10

They have no idea what's going on. You are the adults.

52:12

You're supposed to make sense of the world to them.

52:14

Instead you have adults that are polluting and ruining these kids.

52:18

It's child abuse. And it's why I swear because it's actually, we're trying to mainstream child abuse right now.

52:25

Well, it's making for some of the most miserable kids I've ever seen in my life, because I imagine, you know, you just take something like the environment.

52:37

You take this kid, I had this growing up.

52:42

Believe it or not. So this stuff you're much younger than I am.

52:47

This stuff has been kind of weaponized and hit with creatine and you know, growth serum.

52:55

But it's pretty old shit.

52:57

I grew up around this stuff, talking about the environment.

53:00

Talk about being out of fuel, talking about having to live underground.

53:03

There was a lot of doom and gloom.

53:07

They

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have

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a

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new

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reason

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why

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the

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going

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with

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the

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environment

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and

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think

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about

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the,

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not

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so

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subtle

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child

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abuse

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that

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kids

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suffer. And I had a hippie mom. So I remember being eight years old and they're going, we got about 10 more years.

53:24

Like, and also They always say 10 more years.

53:27

Right? Well, and also there was a magic Number

53:31

that at least kids today don't have to deal with.

53:33

As I had the year 2000, It

53:36

was like 1981 by the year 2000, we're not going to have an atmosphere anymore.

53:41

We're going to the sun's rays will melt.

53:43

Your skin will be out.

53:45

They did, they did the ozone hole.

53:47

Right. That ended up being, oops, nevermind. Got it wrong.

53:49

It had global cooling where they said it was going to freeze and like, oops, got it wrong.

53:53

They did acid rain in the seventh. Oh

53:55

yeah, we got it wrong. We, we blew that into Canada.

54:00

Yeah. Yeah. They did acid rain. This seventies. Oops. Got it wrong.

54:02

They did. When I was a kid, it was global warming.

54:04

Then oops. Accidentally the temperature started dropping.

54:06

So they changed it and they went, let's just say climate change because like climate changes and like, let's just make that a thing.

54:11

You have these kids that are convinced that their world is going to end.

54:14

And that is a form of child abuse. Of course.

54:16

And they don't know this. They don't know that they just make this up every 10 years because they want to grip these children, turn them into activists and give themselves a permission to start all of these organizations because it empowers them.

54:25

I mean, these, these politicians are, are using children as bartering tools to give themselves power.

54:32

You can tax you trillions of dollars and we're entering the Paris accord agreement.

54:35

What, what, because somehow being in this agreement, they don't know any better.

54:40

They don't know that none of it makes sense. You just know that they don't want to, they don't want to die.

54:43

Right. And they don't want to be dead in 10 years, This insane narcissism of thinking that we can control the world's environment.

54:50

Look given our landmass, you know, like, and also not letting developing countries develop because they want to use fossil fuel, which is the best way to develop.

55:01

I'd like to shift to, I don't know, psychological subjects and issues.

55:08

Cause I find you intense.

55:11

But I also find you sort of jovial and kind of in a, in a good mood.

55:18

And I will say this and everyone I've been traveling with commented on this, which is people at a place like the daily wire or Prager you young people are a hell of a lot more respectful in places like this, then whatever I'm used to in Hollywood, whatever organization, whatever place I go to it's it's palpable.

55:44

By the way, how insanely respectful the average 23 year old is bopping around here versus the average twenty-three year old is bopping around Ellen's place in, in, in Hollywood.

55:58

And I, I think that's something to take note of, but for you a wha what do you, how would you describe yourself if you think of yourself as intense, do you think of yourself as jovial?

56:15

Do you think of yourself as laid back?

56:17

Like there's a lot of people, like I think of myself as laid back, but no one else thinks of as laid back.

56:23

Yeah. I think everyone around me thinks of me as laid back.

56:26

Everyone around me thinks of me as laid back.

56:29

But the media perception of me is intense because I constantly have to be on the defense to just be myself.

56:34

Right. So you're obviously when people actually see me in the media, I'm always like locking horns with someone who's trying to tell me what I have to be or what I have to think where I'm or what I'm allowed to think.

56:45

So, you know, with me, I'm a tourist, you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

56:48

But in my day-to-day life, you know, people that work with me work for me, you know, I'm jovial, I'm, I'm just a happy person.

56:56

You know, every single day I wake up and I think how blessed I am two generations ago, my grandfather was working on a sharecropping farm, pulling out tobacco to dry at five years old, running from the KU Klux Klan.

57:06

And he's still alive. Right? Look at my life.

57:09

I mean, what a blessing and that, and that is kind of one of the things that upsets me the most about this generation is that there's never been a group of, of human beings that have been more privileged and more blessed.

57:21

And there's also never been a group of human beings that have complained more, just wrong.

57:26

It feels so self-imposed world war II two generations ago, right.

57:30

You know, grandparents who, who fought in world war II, that generation is just kind of on its last legs.

57:38

And you have people that think that they're facing a world war when Ben Shapiro comes to speak on college campuses, like that's when they have to activate the troops.

57:47

What pathetic, If

57:51

you had a magic wand for the, that said, they're going to fix the black community and here's my magic wand.

57:59

What direction would you point it?

58:02

What would you wish for? Like what, what would would you implement?

58:04

Like you're just in charge, Education,

58:07

family

58:07

culture,

58:14

Explain the culture part Woman of the year is going to be Condoleezza rice.

58:20

A good note to go out on Candace Owens.

58:24

I, I love that there's people like you in the world, 31 years of age.

58:32

Like I, I expect you to be in very interesting positions in the decades to come.

58:41

I really, I really do think you have something special.

58:45

And I really, I, I just wish more people sort of had your, your chutzpah, but I think people don't want to be in the middle anymore.

58:57

So they just either go hard left or they go hard.

59:00

Right. Cause I think everyone's getting pummeled.

59:02

Who's trying to be sort of reasonable hangout in the middle somewhere.

59:06

It's just a theory I've been thrown around.

59:09

Candice is the, a new show and it's available on the daily [email protected] and the book blackout, of course.

59:18

And that's available on Amazon, Candice,

59:22

always a, a great slice of life.

59:26

When you come in here and speak your mind and I'm not even in your studio.

59:30

I mean, I'm in Shapiro's side of the building, but thanks for having me on.

59:35

Thank you, I guess. Thanks. Thank you for having me on technically on your side.

59:39

Yeah. Home and home. And until next time.

59:42

Oh no, we're going to throw it over to with Tucker Carlson.

59:44

Cause we're going to do a part two Tucker Carlson canvas.

59:47

I was thank you very much.

59:49

Well, let's take a quick break to talk about Geico.

59:52

Do you own, do you rent? You know the story you do one or the other, right?

59:56

And then there's your auto policy.

59:58

Well, how about you put them all together under one roof.

1:00:02

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1:00:20

Carlson, back on the pod. It was good to see my phone.

1:00:23

Thanks for having me. Thanks for inviting me out to do your show.

1:00:27

It's nice to have you here. I have this studio at the end of the earth.

1:00:31

I'm not going to say where it is, but this was a hundred percent inspired by you.

1:00:36

When I went to your, when I saw how you live your life three or four years ago in LA, I was completely shocked by it.

1:00:44

And it was just one of those pivot points in my life.

1:00:47

I'm not exaggerating this at all. You can ask Emily or our producer.

1:00:50

I, when we left Emily, get the hell in here and verify.

1:00:53

Now That's true.

1:00:55

I did say to you at the time I want to live like this.

1:00:57

I want control over my life.

1:01:00

And I want to live in a world that I'm comfortable in.

1:01:03

That was the first thing I noticed about your studio and about your shop.

1:01:07

They were tailored to the things that you're interested in.

1:01:10

You're clearly comfortable there and you seemed it. And I thought, why didn't, why am I not living like this?

1:01:14

Am I telling myself, Oh, I'm so successful.

1:01:15

It doesn't cost that much to live, probably cost less actually to live in the way that you want to live.

1:01:20

Why am I not doing this? Well, it's an interesting philosophical discussion.

1:01:23

And I was talking about it.

1:01:25

I think last night with Mike August, who's sitting over there, which is orthodoxy and rules.

1:01:32

You know, it's what I always say for my entire childhood.

1:01:36

If you went to a diner in order to eggs, there was parsley by the side of the plate and no one touched it, no one ate it.

1:01:43

And did they throw it out? And then you'd say what?

1:01:46

Why the parceling they'd go because you have to put the parsley there because we're serving eggs.

1:01:50

And then at some point in 1992, the parsley all disappeared in one night.

1:01:58

It's like they must've had some sort of clandestine meeting amongst the fellowship of diner owners or something.

1:02:04

I said, no more starting Monday, the 22nd.

1:02:07

No, it all went away.

1:02:09

And no one ever said a word.

1:02:11

The people who live in Gilroy, California, the parsley Capitol of the world is economy.

1:02:15

That is true. And a handful of people that need their palate cleanse in between the eggs in the right house.

1:02:21

But so there's this like orthodoxy.

1:02:23

And if you think about it, I was talking about, I started with Kevin and being at a K rock in Los Angeles and radio had rules, TV had rules.

1:02:35

You know, if you weren't going to do a late night show, you couldn't do the tonight show and then do Letterman Letterman.

1:02:40

Wouldn't have you, you know what I mean?

1:02:42

You couldn't do Letterman. And then now it's just a, it's a free for all.

1:02:46

And it K rock Kevin and bean where the morning show.

1:02:49

And at some point being said, I want to move to Seattle.

1:02:52

I hate Los Angeles. And they went, you can't be part of a morning show and do it from your home in Seattle.

1:02:58

And then there were a number one for another decade after he moved and now he lives in England.

1:03:04

But the point is, is there were a lot of rules and I don't know that anyone ever stopped and questioned the rules.

1:03:12

They were just the rules that were just the parsley.

1:03:14

And I think more and more, if anything, Covid maybe pause a certain set of the populous to triple down on rule following, and then another select group of heroes to go.

1:03:29

I don't know, I'm getting away from the rules, Especially

1:03:32

since they're unevenly applied in a, in a law unevenly applied, isn't a law, it's a, it's a tool of persecution, of course.

1:03:39

And so why would you participate in that?

1:03:41

And I'm not calling on people not to pay their taxes or to lie on their, you know, federal background check when they buy guns or anything like that.

1:03:47

But it's very clear that some privileged people get to do that and get away with it.

1:03:51

So at the very least, you know, why am I working in an office?

1:03:54

I don't want to work in the, why am I living in a city?

1:03:56

I don't like, what am I doing with my life?

1:03:58

I mean, on, on the margins, I can take control.

1:04:01

Why am I living apart from my children?

1:04:03

I have a ton of children and they're all gone.

1:04:07

And some of them moved back over the last year for COVID and I thought, well, I don't know.

1:04:12

I would like to live next to, I don't really like my children actually.

1:04:16

Well, so here's why aren't I living with them. Here's a, what I sort of thought of jumped in my mind when you were talking about that.

1:04:22

So for folks that are from another generation, we just had the sort of eat the parsley, go to work, you know, sort of punch the time clock.

1:04:33

You know, there was a, there was a rigidity, a schedule, you know, and I, and, and obviously the thought that you're expressing, which is it's my life, you know, why can't I live my life?

1:04:45

Why can't I do it? And that is a great American thought, but it's a thought that needs to be earned.

1:04:52

And I think there's a problem with a lot of 19 year olds who think I want to live my life right now.

1:05:00

And it's like, no, you gotta put the time in and earn your life.

1:05:05

So I'm I, of course, I couldn't agree with you more.

1:05:08

I'm saying that in order to make use of the gifts that you have, people are designed as individuals, individual tasks.

1:05:17

I sincerely believe this. We're not all equally good at everything.

1:05:20

In fact, most of us are good at just a few things.

1:05:22

And I think the key to life success and happiness is figuring out what those things are and then making use of them in order to maximize your use of those things.

1:05:31

Get rid of a lot of other things.

1:05:32

I mean, the revelation I had around 35, it was like a wife changing thought, which is I'm really bad at certain things.

1:05:39

I'm not doing those ever again, like ever.

1:05:41

I'm never doing that again because I'm not good at it.

1:05:44

And I'm not going to get better at it. What I'm going to do is figure out like the three things that I have some talent in, and I'm going to exercise those muscles and see how big I can get them.

1:05:53

And that's basically all I've done and COVID has allowed me to jettison things that stood in the way of those things.

1:05:58

Like I'm not, there's somethings that I really don't like, I'm the opposite of you?

1:06:02

I don't like cars. I don't like riding in cars. I don't like driving cars, period.

1:06:04

I don't have a car. I ride my bicycle.

1:06:06

I know that's weird for you. It's like a famous car collector, but that's just how I feel.

1:06:10

I don't like wearing socks. I'm never doing it again, period.

1:06:11

I mean, I'm not, I haven't, I haven't in a year, I've worn socks one day over the year.

1:06:16

I don't drive. I don't drive. I don't like getting in cars.

1:06:18

I just like being outside. And that's how I live.

1:06:21

Yeah. Well, I feel like if you ride bikes everywhere, you should introduce socks at some point because it feels dangerous.

1:06:30

This feels like a safety feels like a safety issue.

1:06:34

I can tell you, I admit I ride a bike because I so dislike bicyclists, but I will say in my defense, my bike has no handbrakes or gears.

1:06:43

It's just a straightforward, fixed gear bike.

1:06:45

You want to slow it down? You kick it backwards.

1:06:47

It's just, it's the, it's the, it's the cheapest bike you can buy.

1:06:50

And I like it. Well, let's, let's move on and ask you a couple of sentences.

1:06:55

Cause things that were, I was thinking about when I was heading in to see it tonight, and it's been discussed that now that Donald Trump has sort of on the sidelines or on the links, a lot of the left and the culture and mainstream media sort of shifted its attention to you because they need a boogeyman.

1:07:12

And I always, when I knowing guys, like, I know you are Dennis Prager bench, a para guys like that.

1:07:21

I always, I always sort of half chuckle when they're talking about how evil these people are, because I find you guys to be gregarious and family-oriented and accommodating.

1:07:33

And just like you are when I saw you today.

1:07:36

So

1:07:36

how

1:07:36

do

1:07:36

you

1:07:36

deal

1:07:36

with

1:07:41

that? Or do you deal with that or at a certain point, does it become fuel for, I will.

1:07:49

I will say as a, as a fan of your show, I feel like in recent episodes, I feel like you're being fueled by the hatred of you amongst your detractors.

1:08:03

I feel like your, your position used to be a little more buoyant or neutral or something that you always had an opinion, right?

1:08:13

But now there's blood.

1:08:16

When somebody goes after you, you basically have three postures, you could pick, you could apologize to the person that comes after you.

1:08:23

You could pretend like you didn't hear anything they said, or you could push back against them.

1:08:29

And I feel like you're evolving into pushing back specifically against those.

1:08:36

Well, I would say a couple of things. One, I don't want to be fueled by rage.

1:08:39

I'm an cheerful person like you, I'm from Southern California.

1:08:42

I feel like my birthright is cheerfulness in shallowness.

1:08:45

A lot of talk about the weather it's 70 and sunny and it's kind of enough for me.

1:08:49

So I, I, to remain that what's changed is that with Trump gone, there's just more clarity.

1:08:54

You know, I think they're a good things to be said about Trump, but Trump was certainly the focus of all attention.

1:09:00

And so in the end, everything was really about Trump.

1:09:03

With Trump off the stage, you can kind of see the issues in clearer relief.

1:09:07

You can sort of, I dunno, it's just clearer.

1:09:09

So I think it's worth being clearer about what the stakes are.

1:09:14

So there's that as for the, you know, the hater that the tax on me, I mean, I really do turn it off.

1:09:21

I don't have a lot of contact with that.

1:09:24

I have a small group of people whose opinions I really care about.

1:09:29

And I listened to them very carefully.

1:09:30

I have a very large group of friends.

1:09:32

I communicate with them by text.

1:09:34

I don't read anything about myself.

1:09:38

I would never watch a video about myself. I don't watch my own videos.

1:09:40

I mean, I really try and keep my head clear. I take a sauna every day for an hour.

1:09:44

I really try and sit in silence and just think, and I love to be outside.

1:09:47

So I don't marinate in the hate against me because I don't want to become an angry person whose show is about himself.

1:09:56

And that's the third point I would make is I don't.

1:09:58

And my producer is very smart, Justin Wells.

1:10:00

And I talk about this all the time. We don't want the show to be about us.

1:10:03

So we, if the U S military, their ADL or whatever, Anthony Fowchee, you know, attacks the show by name, I don't want the next night to be all about.

1:10:13

They've attacked us unfairly because in the end, it's narcissism.

1:10:15

Who are you talking about yourself?

1:10:16

And narcissism is, is the fly trap that doesn't snare most public figures, because it's all about you in the end.

1:10:24

And narcissism makes you unhappy.

1:10:25

It makes you a shitty parent, a bad husband, and it corrodes your soul.

1:10:30

So I just don't want to think about myself to the degree that they are trying to force me to.

1:10:34

So I really fight against that. So hard ask anyone I live around or who I know are dealing with me a lot.

1:10:40

I mean, I really, I don't look in the mirror. I try not to use first person pronouns.

1:10:44

I mean, I really go to great lengths, not to become a narcissist it's in the end, probably a losing battle because we're, we're born with solves cystic tendencies and it's just a constant fight against them.

1:10:54

Anyway, what I think my job is, and it's pretty clear explain what's going on.

1:11:01

Explain. I always think that our job is to explain.

1:11:04

So we got attack the other day about something that I said and that's racist or whatever.

1:11:08

Okay. I don't take that seriously.

1:11:09

I know my own views.

1:11:11

I say them out loud. If you think my view, if you really listen to what I'm saying, and you think it's racist, I, we have a different, different, different definition phrases because I'm making a colorblind argument because I really sincerely believe it.

1:11:25

I was raised that way and I've never given those views up.

1:11:27

So my job is not to prove I'm not a racist in as far as I'm concerned.

1:11:32

My job is to explain what the stakes are with the ideas beneath the surface are and what the consequences are.

1:11:40

And the only good side about being attacked is it does wake you up a little bit and you realize, okay, now I really do have to explain very carefully with great respect for language and precision, what I'm trying to say.

1:11:55

And that's like, that's a good thing.

1:11:56

It makes you sharper and clearer and you take your own life more seriously and you take the world more seriously.

1:12:05

It's kind of the opposite of being stoned.

1:12:07

You know, like when I was a kid, I mean, growing up in Southern company, you know, we smoked marijuana every day.

1:12:12

Cause that's what I mean, who didn't.

1:12:14

And the thing I remember about that is, Oh, wait, I don't remember anything about it.

1:12:19

That's kind of the whole point.

1:12:21

You sort of miss your life and it's not just weed that makes you miss your life.

1:12:25

It's also all the other distractions that are coming into your view constantly.

1:12:30

And the beauty of a moment like this is you're really not missing your life.

1:12:33

Like you're fully engaged.

1:12:34

You're assessing everything as carefully as you can.

1:12:37

You're thinking about it as deeply as you're capable of, and then you're responding with great care.

1:12:44

You're not just like barfing up a response, you know, fuck you.

1:12:48

That's not adequate at all.

1:12:50

And so there's something kind of great about it.

1:12:53

You're really living in sharp relief and I try to be grateful for that.

1:12:57

I tried to think, you know, there are a lot of bad things about this moment, Mike and my kids have suffered really greatly and that wounds me.

1:13:03

However, you know, it, at least it has meaning it really does.

1:13:07

There's actual meaning in, in what we do.

1:13:11

I think that I want to talk about your process because I I'm a big fan of your show and I watch it every night and I really liked the opening monologues.

1:13:23

And I've also noticed this, someone with a background in comedic writing, there's a lot more comedy in there now it's it's precise.

1:13:33

It has, it has its purpose and it's, it's got some edge to it and it's, it's directed in a direction.

1:13:42

It's, it's not knock knock jokes, but I have been now it's kind of interesting because you, you, you do your show every day and, and you're in, you're involved with that process, which probably you don't sit around and study the game film.

1:13:59

I actually study the game film of your shell and I, I see more comedy and it's also something I'm keen to pick out.

1:14:08

Like that was a funny joke or that's a funny analogy or funny little turn of phrase.

1:14:13

I've been noticing more of it, but again, not in a foolhardy lighthearted way, but in the best way to kind of make your point or go after someone oftentimes is to grab some comedy onto your, onto your statement.

1:14:31

And I don't know, is that all you and, And

1:14:35

I'm, it's only audience I'm I, that was that.

1:14:37

I read it for myself. I write the whole thing for myself.

1:14:39

I do it only to amuse myself.

1:14:42

It's it's it's impressive.

1:14:43

I mean, it is concise.

1:14:44

It's it's it's well thought out.

1:14:47

It's well articulated.

1:14:48

I know from being in the business, it's hard to do a 20 minute monologue on a, on a daily basis.

1:14:58

I mean, it's a real tall order.

1:15:00

It's my only job. And to be like clear and poignant, and then now starting to sprinkle in some comedy it's, it's, it's, it's really an impressive feat.

1:15:14

Like I, as somebody who knows the business, I would, I sit around and go, does he have some writers that are punching this thing up or whatever I

1:15:24

do that. And that comes out of, of neurotic energy.

1:15:28

I mean, that is just like, that's why good comedians, no offense.

1:15:33

I'm not speeding anyone particularly, but they're, they're all a little emotionally edgy.

1:15:37

They're a little bit raw.

1:15:38

And it comes, I've always thought this about comedy.

1:15:41

Like the really funny people are not entirely tranquil inside.

1:15:46

Yeah. Right.

1:15:47

And the two things are connected.

1:15:48

And I, and I do talk to my PR in fact, it's funny.

1:15:53

I was riding my bike here, talking on the phone cause I do ride my bike, but I can't, I'm still a Southern California person.

1:16:00

I like, yeah. On the phone while on my bike. And I was talking to my producer driving over here and I was like, Oh, I feel a little bit oppressed by all the news.

1:16:05

And he said, you know, we need to, we need to, you know, make sure that we do an amusing segment or two in the next two days of the week because we need it's comic relief.

1:16:16

I said, absolutely. Right. So we try and do I try and write at least one open out of five.

1:16:21

That makes me laugh.

1:16:23

As I write it, the debates were my favorite because you could watch tape.

1:16:27

And I would just sit and watch the tape of my, I read on my iPad in my bedroom while my wife does Peloton in the closet.

1:16:34

And she's got Jen Sherman, seventies hits screaming, you know, to me that night.

1:16:39

But I always sit there and I write it every afternoon.

1:16:41

I start at five. I would take us on and have a cup of coffee.

1:16:44

And I write for five to seven 30 every day.

1:16:46

And I would watch the tape from the debates and it would just amuse the hell out of me.

1:16:52

And it was just like immediately calm. I mean, Pete put a judge was just like, Oh my gosh, it's just a gift that never stopped giving.

1:16:58

But thank God Energy,

1:17:00

transportation Rotation,

1:17:02

but laughing about stuff is essential to my mental health.

1:17:07

And I also think it's an expression of power.

1:17:10

It's like, if you are laughing at them, they haven't, they're not controlling You

1:17:15

where you do spontaneously laugh.

1:17:18

Cause I mean, it certainly have it, but it's also an expression like you, you're not in charge of my soul actually.

1:17:24

I don't take you seriously. I think you're absurd.

1:17:26

I think you're a buffoon.

1:17:27

Listen to what you're saying.

1:17:29

Your history will laugh at you, but I'm going to give a preview right now and do it.

1:17:36

It's also, I don't know if you feel this way, but I feel that it's so some of it is, I feel it's gross.

1:17:44

And then some of it feels supremely narcissistic, but that you would even take the time to go after somebody like yourself or, or anyone.

1:17:55

Just the idea that you, that they're involved with this character assassination stuff.

1:18:00

It, if it feels like a huge waste of time for them, Are

1:18:04

you joking? I'm a, I'm a Fox news cable TV host.

1:18:08

I host 42 minutes a day.

1:18:11

Like what, why are you bothering me?

1:18:12

I've got opinions you don't agree with.

1:18:15

Okay. If you really don't agree with them, tell me how I'm wrong.

1:18:17

They never do. Why are you focusing on me?

1:18:19

Like I don't, I'm, I'm just a talk show host like w plus when I worked, I've worked at all the cable channels and I remember I had a really smart producer.

1:18:30

I haven't had many of those, but I did have one, one said CNN, and we screwed something up at like the 2000 convention in LA.

1:18:37

And he said on my earpiece, he goes, it's just cable settled down.

1:18:41

And I thought, wow, that is really thank you.

1:18:44

You're right. It's just K it's just television.

1:18:46

Do you know what I mean?

1:18:48

We're not taking someone's gallbladder out, lighten up.

1:18:50

I really try and think that every day.

1:18:52

But when I, last thing I'll say is when I finish writing that open, it's usually, I mean, I try to get up by seven 30 for an 8:00 PM live show.

1:19:00

Sometimes like last night it was seven 40.

1:19:03

It's cutting it. Pretty close. We have an amazing staff of producers who never complained when I do that when I filed late.

1:19:07

But then I get them, I put on a fresh shirt, I get on my bicycle.

1:19:10

I drive one mile to work and I'm done.

1:19:13

I haven't, we haven't even turned on the lights and I feel like the show's over.

1:19:18

If I write that thing and I get it, you know, the 20 minutes to where I like it.

1:19:23

I mean, I honestly feel like that's my whole job.

1:19:25

Just writing it. I think I'm a writer.

1:19:27

Oh yeah. That's how I think of myself.

1:19:29

Anyway, reading it off a teleprompter or doing an interview.

1:19:32

That's like totally easy. Anyone could do.

1:19:35

Yeah. The, they are, well, do you feel like you're a writer?

1:19:41

Yeah. I, I, I don't know.

1:19:43

I'm not, I'm not sure what I am.

1:19:45

I guess I can be a writer. You know, I don't, I don't always feel like a writer, but I, But

1:19:50

creating words is your job.

1:19:53

Yeah. I think of myself is I'm here to study sort of humanity and then comment on it.

1:20:02

Where do you study it? What, who were your models like, do you in with people or me always taking mental notes on the human condition?

1:20:11

I have L I, I will do, I'll tell you what I'll do.

1:20:16

I'll do a lot of watching TV shows from the seventies or the eighties.

1:20:21

And so I'll study old culture because in my, what I've come to learn is that TV commercials and TV shows are snapshots of the culture.

1:20:34

When we're in it, they're sort of amplified like a TV.

1:20:38

Commercial is a 62nd version.

1:20:41

Like if you want to know what, 1979 was like, watch five commercials from 1979, went out the hair, looked like the fashion looked like the color palette, the music, that sensibilities that's what were alike.

1:20:53

So I find myself studying us, going.

1:20:57

That's what we're like. And, and then saying, you know, where are we now?

1:21:02

What, what what's going on?

1:21:03

And I try to sort of compare and contrast them.

1:21:06

How big is the change?

1:21:07

Well, it's, it's pretty grand.

1:21:11

You know, I haven't watched TV in decades.

1:21:14

Really? Yes, we don't. We, yes, I haven't watched, I haven't watched a TV show and at least 20 years.

1:21:20

Well, there's the, what I've kind of learned.

1:21:25

I did. I'd be really upset. I don't think I've seen a TV commercial.

1:21:28

I don't honestly don't remember the last TV commercial I watched.

1:21:30

Like, I honestly don't remember. I mean, I think it's certainly been before Trump was elected and I think I would be really stunned by it.

1:21:37

I, I, I think the, the kind of the moral of the story that I've learned is if you're wired like me, you can get information from watching an episode of the love boat from 1979.

1:21:48

People say, what are you doing?

1:21:51

Wasting your time, watching an episode of love mode.

1:21:54

And I'm like, I'm studying it.

1:21:56

I'm thinking about where do you get it?

1:21:58

I don't, I don't know where that Well,

1:22:02

can you pull up? Pardon? My ignorance now?

1:22:04

No, I'm revealing like how out of it I am, but You

1:22:08

go to a place called best buy.

1:22:09

You can buy it.

1:22:11

I purchased the TV say, no, sorry, sorry.

1:22:15

I know, but like, can you pull up the love boat on the inner matters?

1:22:19

Yeah, you can, you can find, you can find episodes of it.

1:22:22

And then I study it, but look, I study people at the airport.

1:22:25

I study people, billboards.

1:22:29

I study automobile design.

1:22:32

Like I just study things.

1:22:34

And the thing that's interesting is if you start studying something, you'll notice patterns.

1:22:40

So I just look for patterns, patterns, patterns.

1:22:43

And then once you study patterns, everything, you can predict things that happened before the happen cause your pattern study.

1:22:51

But it's also weird things. Like my assistant Matt found a Leer.

1:22:56

One day he came walk, he came into work and I was just talking to him and I looked down.

1:23:02

I said, what? What's the deal with those shoes?

1:23:04

And there was just tennis shoes.

1:23:06

And he said, I dunno, they're tennis shoes.

1:23:10

What do you want? I said, Oh, we started talking and I stopped again.

1:23:14

And I went, what's up with those shoes, sums up with those shoes.

1:23:18

What's the story. And he said, Oh, they were just, they're just tennis shoes that weren't at work.

1:23:23

And I said, okay. I always just start talking a little more.

1:23:26

And I realized, this is kind of bugging me now. I, is there something you're not telling me?

1:23:30

And he said, Oh, there my dad's shoes.

1:23:32

I just borrowed up. And I said, okay, it was bothering me.

1:23:35

It felt to me like those shoes, weren't your shoes.

1:23:39

Or there were someone else's shoes or there's a story to those shoes.

1:23:44

And it was only from studying Pat.

1:23:47

It's not like he wore flip flops every day.

1:23:49

He wore tennis shoes, but there was something in my studying of his pattern that had broken just a little bit.

1:23:57

Like it wasn't he stole a hobo shoes.

1:23:59

He just wore his dad shoes, but it didn't comport with me quite right.

1:24:05

And I, I, it was just a feeling, I didn't know what was wrong.

1:24:08

I just, I just knew something was wrong because of the pattern.

1:24:13

His pattern had been interrupted a little bit in my mind.

1:24:17

Oh, that's so interesting.

1:24:19

It's visual patterns.

1:24:21

It's visual.

1:24:23

It's it's, it's it's mental.

1:24:26

It's kind of an interesting thing.

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1:25:35

All right, We're back with Tucker Carlson. We're talking about patterns.

1:25:37

So I drive around my car.

1:25:39

I listened to the 70 station, the 80 station and the 60 station.

1:25:46

I just listened, but, but I study everything that the way they song and the things they sung about, and it was, it was kind of interesting what they were singing about the sixties versus the seventies versus the nineties.

1:25:59

But lately I keep coming in with these songs.

1:26:02

I want to know more about This song and all of them seem to be written by Carol King and her partner from back in the sixties and the seventies.

1:26:13

And they're not saying this one was written by Carol King and her writing partner from the sixties.

1:26:18

I just tap into something that she's some style.

1:26:22

These are just pop songs from the sung by Bobby V and sung by the, you know, bardels or whoever the hell was singing back then.

1:26:33

But every time I hear one that she wrote it, a little thing goes off my head, Oh, that's not conscious.

1:26:39

It's just, for some reason, I go, I'm going to write that song down.

1:26:42

And then later on, somebody tells me, you know, who wrote that song?

1:26:45

Like now Carol King. I'm like the last five songs have been written by Carol Kane, but they're all been different and done by different artists.

1:26:52

It's just, there's something that I'm hearing a pattern.

1:26:56

It's something familiar.

1:26:57

And that's all I do is I just study things and then eventually try to warp it into it, Joe, Or

1:27:05

a thought, what does it just float to the surface at some point, if when you watch enough, does the joke congeal or the observation form just by itself?

1:27:14

Yeah, I,

1:27:17

I think so. It just, it just kind of bloats up to the top and, and, and it, and it, and it becomes something, some of them are weird.

1:27:29

I don't know.

1:27:30

They're mostly just, I was walking my Labrador on the beach and my, my dog's very rambunctious and flirtatious and fun and outgoing.

1:27:46

And bill ran into a guy and started jumping up on him and looking at me, you know, feels this big 110 pound lab.

1:27:55

And the guy loved it. Everyone loves sexual way or a totally platonic sort of way.

1:28:00

And the guy just said to me, it's all right.

1:28:04

I was raised, I always was raised with labs.

1:28:07

We had nothing but labs. And I was, I never said anything to him, but I thought to myself, you had a much better childhood than me.

1:28:13

Like that was my, that was my notion.

1:28:16

And I was walking and I thought, how do you, like, how would we turn that into a joke?

1:28:20

You know? And then the joke would be, if I said to him, you had a much better childhood than me.

1:28:26

And he said, well, I don't think so because I was molested.

1:28:30

I'd go, well, now it's a tie.

1:28:32

And

1:28:32

so

1:28:32

this

1:28:32

weird

1:28:32

little

1:28:32

interaction,

1:28:32

and

1:28:32

I

1:28:32

haven't

1:28:32

told

1:28:32

that

1:28:32

joke

1:28:32

on

1:28:32

stage

1:28:32

or

1:28:32

anything,

1:28:32

I

1:28:32

just

1:28:32

thought

1:28:32

of

1:28:41

it. Like, I thought you have these little interactions and you go, how would this turn into a joke?

1:28:47

If you were telling this joke I'll yes.

1:28:50

I'll write like lab beach guy or something.

1:28:52

And just, just so it doesn't completely, she write the trigger down.

1:28:58

Do you ever write out your whole set?

1:28:59

No, I, I, I

1:29:02

will. I will. If, if something is going to be a joke, it will find its own punchline is the way I, I kind of feel like if he can't find a punchline for it, maybe it's not, maybe it's not a good idea.

1:29:19

Now. It always kind of felt that way. Like if you had, you have a premise for a monologue, right?

1:29:24

Yes. And so you go, man, I have this idea for a monologue and I feel very strongly about it.

1:29:29

And now I'm going to sit down and bang it out.

1:29:31

If you sit there for 10 minutes and nothing's happening.

1:29:35

That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

1:29:37

Well, I have Good

1:29:39

premise. You can't write fast enough to keep up with that idea.

1:29:43

Totally. Right. And that happens to me a lot when I get out of the, get out of my Cedar box.

1:29:49

Yeah. And I'll have, I always keep, I have a chair outside of it, or I sit in cool down and outdoor shower and I often write down prompts for ideas that, that came to me.

1:30:01

I have the great advantage, which you do not have of writing against sound.

1:30:05

So we have an amazing group of producers who are pulling sound all day.

1:30:10

You know, this press conference, we were doing a show tonight on pack, the Supreme court, there was a press conference and they pulled all the sound from it.

1:30:17

So I'll get all the sound. Did you, when you, I, I don't look at it, but I read the verbate and you pivot against it and like winds immediately come to you.

1:30:25

Right. Right. So that is it's exactly.

1:30:28

It's just a built-in prompt.

1:30:30

Right. So I can always write against sound. And it's just one of those things.

1:30:33

It's very easy, but it, after 25 years of doing it, it's a lot easier than it was.

1:30:38

So Can, can we just go through the process?

1:30:41

Like, you know, a in the life I

1:30:44

wake up usually by eight, I try not to trying to get up too early.

1:30:48

I live in a 400 square foot pool house with my wife and two Spaniels, both elderly, one 11, one 14.

1:30:56

My wife wakes me up always nice to me.

1:30:57

She usually takes the dogs out.

1:31:00

I get a cup of coffee. I sit in the backyard for an hour, respond to texts, check the news.

1:31:06

I get an overnight news digest, which I love from one of our producers.

1:31:11

Who's a genius. And then live in a 400 square foot pool house.

1:31:16

Yeah. It's kind of weird. Yeah, we do.

1:31:17

That is very weird.

1:31:19

It is weird. Yeah. I know.

1:31:21

What is that? I don't know exactly, but I'm getting more monkish as I get older.

1:31:25

I don't really, yes. I don't know what it is.

1:31:28

Is there a main house?

1:31:29

Yeah, there's a main house, but it's only, it's got three bedrooms.

1:31:32

We've got four children. So they're in there.

1:31:35

Yeah. Well they have been, yeah, they have been in the pool.

1:31:38

We're in the pool COVID thing.

1:31:40

Oh no, we're the opposite. I'm not even going to get into our attitudes on cocoa.

1:31:43

Everyone in our family has had COVID basically my wife had, COVID pretty bad.

1:31:47

And we took zero precautions and shared the same bed and yeah, I was snitching on her and never got it.

1:31:55

So basically like me. Yeah. I think I'm immune.

1:31:57

But anyway, the point is, and then I was, it's a 400 Square

1:32:00

foot house with God. You gotta understand.

1:32:02

When you tell people, especially somebody is as successful as you are.

1:32:07

You know, I wake up my 400 square foot pool house.

1:32:10

I'm like elder Cocker, Spaniels.

1:32:12

They think you're setting up and they think that's a joke.

1:32:14

No, no, no. That's how we live. That's how you live.

1:32:16

Oh yeah. I promise. I know. I believe My

1:32:19

wife comes back and we get coffee and we get back into bed for our executive meeting every morning.

1:32:24

Usually from nine to 10, sometimes nine to 10 30.

1:32:27

And we go through the day and we just sit and chat dogs are on the bed, always dogged on the bed.

1:32:32

And then I go over to my iPad and write out what I'd like to do for the day.

1:32:38

And I try to get that in by 1130 in the morning.

1:32:40

Sometimes I am late and it gets in at noon.

1:32:42

But you know, I read an email sometimes it's long yesterday, it was like 750 words.

1:32:48

Let's hit these stories.

1:32:49

Let's book these guests.

1:32:50

Here's what I want the lead to be. And sometimes like lines in the lead will come to me and I'll kind of w begin to work it out in that email, which of course I save.

1:32:59

And then I'm usually done by noon.

1:33:01

I try in a normal life to take a couple hours off, go fishing, something like that.

1:33:07

But I haven't been able to do that recently because there's been a lot going on.

1:33:10

I do phone calls to take a sauna. And then at five I start writing, is it an hour in the sauna?

1:33:16

I do about 20 minutes.

1:33:19

Cool down, go back. And this is I, this is ideal.

1:33:21

I take this on every single day. I never miss it.

1:33:23

What temp?

1:33:24

I really prefer one 81 9,200 in may not have a wood-fired sauna, which I obviously it's a woodstove so I could really get it hot.

1:33:35

And it's big in here.

1:33:37

I have a very small sauna.

1:33:39

It's four by four interior and the stove, it gets too hot.

1:33:43

The stove shorts out. It kills me because, so, but I, I try to get it to one 80 and then I hit it with a Luli, as they say in Finland, you know, you hit it with the water and steam branches.

1:33:55

Is the Phone

1:33:56

in there? Is there no, gosh, No,

1:33:59

no, no. It's too hot for the vile, like a hot sauna, like a hot dry that's thinking time.

1:34:04

It's thinking time.

1:34:06

It's like spiritual renewal.

1:34:07

It's also, I mean, everyone's got like a cultural tradition, so I'll just do minimum Scandinavian.

1:34:11

That's what we do. I have, my son does it too.

1:34:14

And we have it. He's 24 and he believes that it's cheating to throw water on the rocks before you've already started sweating.

1:34:20

You should get it hot enough to really sweat and then just blow yourself out of the water with it, but with the water.

1:34:26

But I find the saunas like really an integral part.

1:34:31

I mean, just silence and intensity.

1:34:33

And it just, is there a way to capture thoughts if you're in there?

1:34:38

Like I I'm, I am I'm projecting here.

1:34:43

What? Cause I'm over 50. I can't remember No,

1:34:46

like what I would do if I was working on my big, huge monologue and I sat in the sign, I would sit there for four minutes trying to sort of free my mind of the earthly bounds.

1:34:56

And then at some I'd go, Oh, I got a joke or I got this.

1:34:59

Oh, I gotta be like, I have something.

1:35:01

I got it. Cause I gotta, I gotta jot it down.

1:35:04

Cause it's going to, it'll be gone by the time the steam evaporates, you know?

1:35:09

Well, actually my son is hot enough that the thoughts stop at a certain point.

1:35:13

Like once you get one 80, you can't really think what you're doing is just, you're not thinking it's like a Buddhist exercise.

1:35:19

You're just trying to get to, to get to clarity, you know?

1:35:23

And really the thinking happens in the shower.

1:35:27

I have an outdoor shower.

1:35:28

I mean, it's super simple.

1:35:30

It's just bolted to the side of the house and I take a shower.

1:35:33

And then all of a sudden, like all of a sudden it, it just, it just comes to me.

1:35:37

And, and then I trot back to my pool house and my towel, it sounds so stupid, but it really works.

1:35:45

And then I filed the script and I get on my bicycle and I ride to work.

1:35:50

And then I finished work. I get home.

1:35:52

My wife is invariably in bed with the dogs, reading her book And,

1:35:57

and then I need an Apple and I go to bed.

1:35:59

No, no cocktails, no TV, no A

1:36:03

drinker anymore. I was a big drinker in, I quit 19 years ago.

1:36:08

Probably won't be starting that again.

1:36:09

It just didn't agree with me.

1:36:12

I'm not against drinking everyone in my family drinks, but I, I just didn't have the self-control.

1:36:16

And I realized as I got older, that I'm more volatile than I thought I was.

1:36:21

And I think drinking just, you know, creates volatility.

1:36:26

And

1:36:26

I

1:36:26

just

1:36:26

wasn't

1:36:26

good

1:36:26

at

1:36:26

I

1:36:26

get

1:36:26

terrible

1:36:30

hangovers. I got a couple fistfights and lost, you know, stuff like that.

1:36:35

So I just thought maybe drinking's not for me.

1:36:39

What, how many pages does your opening monologue average?

1:36:43

It's lengthly I mean, 23

1:36:46

pages on Monday 23 pages.

1:36:49

Yeah. 23 pages. But that was, that was different.

1:36:51

That was, I worked on that on Sunday.

1:36:53

I mean, I woke up Sunday morning and I just had it on my mind.

1:36:57

I'm not normally like this. I really try and spend the weekend being normal.

1:37:00

But I woke up at six 30 Sunday morning and like stood up, went and took a leak in the garden as I do every morning.

1:37:08

Oh, I'm a, I'm a big proponent of that.

1:37:11

I tell everyone, if you buy a house once a year, go take a leak on the lawn because that's home ownership.

1:37:16

You know, you do that in an apartment. You get arrested every single day, every single day.

1:37:21

I really believe in that anyway. So I woke up and I had this like fully formed open in my head.

1:37:27

So I, as I in my I've lived with my wife for 30 years.

1:37:30

So she knows a lot of the time writing is just really painful.

1:37:33

I mean, it's just horrible. It's, it's extracting your own teeth, but there's that, you know, once a month, when it just comes to you nearly fully formed and you, you, you can't ignore, you just have to roll with it because you're not in charge of those impulses.

1:37:44

And when they arise, like that's my whole job.

1:37:47

So everything else goes on hold, I'm sorry, I can't go anywhere.

1:37:51

And I just sat down and I wrote like 2000 words Sunday afternoon, just because it was already there.

1:37:57

So why would I not, Are

1:37:59

it seems like there's a trajectory with you where you're, you're, you're sort of laugh about sort of becoming a Buddhist or something like that.

1:38:09

But, but I mean, it, it, it, is it con are you consciously trying to counteract this chosen profession of yours?

1:38:24

Well, absolutely. It's, it's, it's a conscious what percentage Of

1:38:28

people who have my job are happy.

1:38:31

Yeah, no, Right around zero in that range.

1:38:33

And so I'm not, I'm not going to do that.

1:38:37

I have four children. I really liked them.

1:38:39

Most of them. No, it's a, it's, it's a, it's a, I won't call it a battle or a struggle, even though Completely

1:38:45

freaked out about becoming one of the many people I've worked with over the last 25 years.

1:38:50

Right. So were miserable. They had broken personal lives, hate themselves.

1:38:53

They're insecure. And I just, I'm not going to let that happen.

1:38:58

So it's like you like woodworking. Yes, I do.

1:39:00

We're discussing and I love woodworking as well.

1:39:02

And if you had a job as a cabinet maker, then you'd probably come home at the end of the day, crack a beer and watch some sports center.

1:39:12

Yes. But because you, because your job is sort of cathartic and peaceful and not what your job is on, right.

1:39:21

Fox television. So the, the, the saunas and the urinating on the shrub and the, in the bed with the, with the dogs and it is an outdoor shower.

1:39:33

These are all conscious attempts to sort of not let the insanity eat, overtake you in each your brain.

1:39:43

I'm a fanatic about it. I'm a fanatic about it.

1:39:46

And I'm very intentional about staying in touch with my children, my brother, my dad, my wife, the people I work with are people.

1:39:57

I sincerely love anyone who works for me would be welcome to stay at my house.

1:40:01

Almost all have. I mean, I try to keep everything.

1:40:04

That's false, untrustworthy threatening out of my world.

1:40:09

I don't want that because there's already enough of it.

1:40:11

And, but more than anything, you have to fight for simplicity and remind yourself as I do every single day of the year, you are going to die, naked, terrified, and alone.

1:40:21

Everybody is that is those certain fact of life.

1:40:23

And don't start thinking that you're not, and don't become an egomaniac.

1:40:28

Not because it's unattractive to be an egomaniac, but because it's unhappy, it's super unhappy.

1:40:33

That is narcissism.

1:40:35

And I've just seen it. I mean, I've done this.

1:40:37

I started going on TV in 1995.

1:40:40

So

1:40:40

I

1:40:40

don't

1:40:43

know. I think that's 26 years. That's a long time.

1:40:45

I've known everybody in it and I've really liked a lot of them.

1:40:48

I really, I knew Larry King very well. And I really, really liked Larry King.

1:40:51

I learned a lot from Larry but ends.

1:40:54

I'm not pointing him out specifically, but I know them all really well.

1:40:58

And I don't want to be those people at all.

1:41:01

How many have happy men? How many, when they get home men in my job or job ish, get home in the, you know, it's like happy to see the wife.

1:41:09

Wife's happy to see them. I'm so proud of you.

1:41:11

You're great. Give me, cause like none, none.

1:41:14

And that's what I want.

1:41:15

That's what I want.

1:41:17

And I didn't grow up. You know, I grew up in a non traditional family.

1:41:21

And then when I was a kid, I remember thinking I just want, I just want a normal life.

1:41:24

And I have had one and I'm, and I'm thankful.

1:41:27

And I protect it for real, like, absolutely.

1:41:30

And not just with guns though with guns, but in every other way, I,

1:41:35

I would need to take our last break.

1:41:37

We'll be right back with Tucker Carlson.

1:41:41

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1:42:11

All right. Back Tucker Carlson. Yes.

1:42:13

I've been saying it.

1:42:15

And it's been very amplified over the whole COVID thing, which is, you know, look, it sounds so obvious, but you've got to walk.

1:42:22

You've got to get into nature. You've got to do things.

1:42:24

I'm going to suggest something to you that I suggest to everyone, but I've never suggested to you.

1:42:29

You have a pool house, but do you have a pool?

1:42:32

I do.

1:42:33

You should get in that.

1:42:36

I never do the pool.

1:42:38

Tucker. Our house was built in 1968.

1:42:40

It's never been updated. I've live in them.

1:42:42

I live in the least impressive house of anybody's.

1:42:44

It's freezing cold. Yes. We don't have a pool heater then get in the pool.

1:42:48

My wife is very much a nature person and not a luxury person.

1:42:53

And she doesn't like pool heaters. She doesn't like chlorine.

1:42:56

So we have a cold, salt water pool ever get in it.

1:43:00

Never no one. Alright.

1:43:02

Here's my challenge for you next time.

1:43:05

I think you're going on the road after we, after we wrap this up, but you do the sauna and you realize what the sauna does for you, right?

1:43:14

Say, you know, at 180 degrees, you don't need a steno pad because you, you're not forming thoughts here in some sort of polarities zone that that equals freedom, freezing cold swimming pools.

1:43:27

The exact same.

1:43:28

It is essentially it's the same as a Sana.

1:43:31

It's just, of course it's the other direction.

1:43:33

You know what I mean? The sauna is hot.

1:43:36

The pool is cold, but the facts are exactly the same to entry so much higher that's okay.

1:43:42

So when you get into sauna, it's embryonic, right?

1:43:45

Right. So that's like, what we're all searching for is, you know, return to the womb.

1:43:49

This is the, a snowbank.

1:43:53

And that's where the, the, the real benefits lie.

1:43:57

Really the benefit I think of the pool, you know, everyone always talks about sort of the benefits of the cold and the healing.

1:44:05

And then we see the LeBron James sits in an ice tub after a hard game.

1:44:09

It's great physiologically recovery.

1:44:12

And it's just good for your joints.

1:44:14

The cold is physically very good for you.

1:44:18

But I think is far outweighed by the, the mental part, which is what you mean, which is I, so we took a well, because I think when you have money and you have a position and you have some status, it's a constant battle to sort of keep yourself grounded.

1:44:41

Yeah. And, and I don't mean grounded in like an off shucks kind of way.

1:44:46

I just mean like almost spiritually, physically, almost grounded.

1:44:50

You know what I mean? You can have anything you want whenever you want it.

1:44:54

You can call grub hub at any time of the night and they'll bring you your favorite fast food.

1:44:58

How do you not fall prey to that?

1:45:01

And I have found that imposing some misery on yourself is really important and there's different forms that can come in, but freezing cold water is a real form of this rate.

1:45:17

I do it. And not only do I do it consistently, we flew out to Nashville yesterday, before we came here, we had a flight leaving at 7:00 AM.

1:45:29

I went to bed kind of late.

1:45:31

Maybe after midnight, I got up at six, 15, it was dark outside and a little bit, a little bit drizzly.

1:45:37

And I was like, I got to leave for the airport in 15 minutes, but I made the commitment to get in the pool every morning before I left, where I'm going.

1:45:48

So I just went in the pool, swam under water from one side of the next, live in the foothills, freezing cold outside.

1:45:55

Well, first off, when you get out, you're awake.

1:45:58

That's the goodness shimmy.

1:46:00

You don't drown the right. If you make it, you're awake.

1:46:03

And it's just part of a, self-imposed kind of, here's what, here's the promise you made to yourself.

1:46:09

You're going to do this every day. And I would say hearing about your outdoor urination, your outdoor shower and your son.

1:46:18

I think the cold dunk in the pool would be the icing on the cake of that ritual.

1:46:27

I love the sound of that.

1:46:28

I just am worried about having too many rituals.

1:46:31

As I said to my wife this weekend, I don't want to get too extended.

1:46:35

Oh, absolutely. Eccentric. I'll, let's be honest, wonderful person.

1:46:37

My favorite person, but you know, not, I mean, not fully mainstream mainstream.

1:46:41

And I said to her, I don't want to be those like people where everyone kind of our kids look at us sometimes like know you guys are really eccentric.

1:46:50

And I always, I don't think we're, I think we're totally fully normal.

1:46:53

And then they all cackle cause they're Oh

1:46:55

no. I, I would think, well do it one study thing.

1:46:58

And by the way, it, it takes 30 seconds.

1:47:00

You just have to go in and get underwater and come back up.

1:47:03

There's nothing. There's not enough time.

1:47:06

I walk in the shallow end.

1:47:08

I swim to the deep end and I then go underwater, touch the drain.

1:47:13

That's my rule.

1:47:15

I have to get to the drain. And then I skim along the bottom and pop up on the challen and then I'm done.

1:47:20

And it's, it's all of 55 seconds if you want it doesn't matter.

1:47:25

Does it knock the wind out of you? It doesn't do anything once, once it becomes what you do, then it's just what you do.

1:47:31

There's no, there's no sense. I'm going to try it.

1:47:34

I'm telling you, it's a, it's a game changer.

1:47:36

And also I do feel like you and me to some degree, but you especially, you were like somebody with a thyroid condition who doesn't want to put weight on.

1:47:49

So you have to be very careful at work, harder, not eat, you know, and there's a bunch of people that look good in their underpants, go and eat whatever you want, dude.

1:47:57

And you're going, no, I have to maintain that visual because of your job.

1:48:03

If you were a cabinet maker, you wouldn't have to maintain that visual.

1:48:07

Being a performer, host, professional talker, getting paid a lot of money to give your opinions.

1:48:12

I mean, that is the recipe to becoming an asshole.

1:48:16

I mean, just 100% and bill shine, who kind of ran Fox, day-to-day the programming, whatever he was president one point he once said to me, so smart.

1:48:26

He goes, what are you? He was, he was president of Fox news at this point.

1:48:29

And he said, what do you think my job is? And I said, I don't know, president of Fox news.

1:48:32

He's like, no, no, no keeping millionaires from killing themselves.

1:48:36

Like my job is to, I shouldn't even say that, but he did say that to me.

1:48:42

And I thought, wow, that's a really heavy thing to say.

1:48:44

You know, that they're meaning the people he employ.

1:48:47

It's just that, there's something about being paid to give your opinions.

1:48:51

That makes you unhappy.

1:48:53

And I, and I thought, I thought about it so much.

1:48:55

And I really think it's narcissism is the trap.

1:48:59

You know, people are really interested in me and what I'm saying.

1:49:02

And then you start thinking about yourself and how do I look in, how are they viewing me?

1:49:05

And then you feel more insecure. And the more you think about yourself, the more insecure you become, and then we're miserable.

1:49:10

You are no one can ever give you enough praise.

1:49:12

Then you look at your spouse and after 30 years, your wife is probably not like kissing your ass every day because Dwight, right.

1:49:17

She's seen you in your underwear.

1:49:18

And you're like, wait, she's not really kissing my ass enough.

1:49:22

And she's not, I don't think she appreciates me.

1:49:24

And then you resent your wife. And then like, but my kids don't know all the things I do for them.

1:49:29

And you know, and you systematically alienate everyone in your world.

1:49:32

And then you're alone feeling sorry for yourself.

1:49:34

There is, I'm going to read this to you. This is the last thing I'm gonna do.

1:49:37

I'm God, I'm such a board, but I can't control myself.

1:49:38

I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who has advanced oral cancer.

1:49:44

Okay. And I was texting with him cause I do most of my communication by text.

1:49:50

And I said, my gosh, I feel so bad for you.

1:49:53

You know, it's just awful. How are you feeling?

1:49:55

Oh, oral cancer.

1:49:56

I mean, come on. He's written really chemo.

1:49:58

He doesn't even respond.

1:50:00

And he sends me the following poem. I'm not a huge poetry guy, but I do like it.

1:50:04

This is by DH Lawrence. She wrote sons and lovers lady Chatterley's lover.

1:50:07

Okay. It's called self-pity.

1:50:09

It's four lines long. Here's the poem.

1:50:11

Quote. I never saw a wild thing.

1:50:14

Sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen, dead from a bow without ever having felt.

1:50:19

Sorry for itself.

1:50:22

Period. End of poem.

1:50:23

Wow. What's the point in the natural world?

1:50:26

Self-pity doesn't exist.

1:50:27

It's unique among humans.

1:50:29

It's our burden and it is the locus of our destruction.

1:50:31

Self-pity is the key to destroying yourself.

1:50:35

And I, I read that and I thought, I don't know that there's a single time.

1:50:38

My life, my whole life, that I've been unhappy.

1:50:40

That the root wasn't self-pity it's a hundred percent self pity.

1:50:43

A small bird will drop dead, frozen from a bow without ever once having felt sorry for itself.

1:50:49

Holy shit, DIA charts. You're a genius because that is true.

1:50:51

And I want to be like that bird Docker.

1:50:54

We should all aspire to be like a dead bird.

1:51:00

And with that, I want to give you a plug. I know you can Tucker Carlson today.

1:51:03

Today's show as we call it.

1:51:05

Yeah, it's on the Fox news.

1:51:08

I, you have to download it, right?

1:51:11

You gotta download it, give it a plug Brown

1:51:13

check. I'm just going to Fox nation.com.

1:51:15

It's long form interviews, which you can't do in a live TV show for 42 minutes.

1:51:21

But I think they're really interesting people like Adam Corolla, do it and really unburdened themselves in ways that are kind of shocking and potentially criminally incriminating.

1:51:29

You should listen. Tech are always great.

1:51:32

And It's

1:51:33

every time I sit down and talk to you, I feel like you've evolved and blossomed even more last time.

1:51:40

So you little Lotus, you keep blooming till next time.

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Her little format change with Foehr with Joe would do a one on one with Canvas Owens because I came out to do her wonderful just moments ago in Nashville, and then we'll travel on and see our friend Tucker Carlson. So we'll do our sort of one on one of conservatives first Canvas Owens. New show Candice, I'm gonna be on it Friday, which is Tomorrow. I'm trying to think what today as we tape this or not as we tape this. And it's available exclusively on daily wire. Dailywire dot com, and we'll plug the book as well blackout how black America black America can make its second escape from the Democratic plantation. Can someone's good to see again? Good to see you. I was talking to someone about you. A few days ago. And she said, I don't like Candice Owens. And I said, well, she's smart. And she's right about most of the stuff she talks about. And then she said, yeah, I know. I don't like her anyway. And she said, why? And she said, because she stirs up this controversy, and she's doing it intentionally. And I said, I don't know. I don't know. Can we talk about that? I mean, you get in a lot of Twitter Wars and there's a mean, you're getting a lot of Twitter wars, and there's lot. And I think people think there's a little PT Barnum menu, like, it's cooked up. How much of it is, like, legitimate? Like, this is how I feel and how much of it is promotional? I love that. I'm such a polarizing figure. Because I don't really say things that are that complicated, you know, I would just I don't think that men can be women. And they're like, she's throwing up controversy. And what's interesting is that that's such a gas line thing because the people that I'm responding to are the ones that are stirring up controversy. So talking about stuff happens in the universe. Like, When Harry styles puts on a dress, he goes in the cover vogue. He's He's trying to stir up to stop controversy. trying to sell copies of vogue. When Cardi B jumps on stage. The Grammy's half naked and humps another woman on stage. She's trying to stroke controversy. Right? We're talking about it. Now if you told me, if if I was just just saw Harry's house walking down the street Starbucks, and I was like, hey, I wanna start and argue with you. wanna say something. That would be me being controversial for the sake of being controversial. They're doing controversial, and I'm commenting on it because it's These are things that have larger implications in my opinion. Saying something about the society. I now have a child who's who's thirteen weeks old. And the society that we're living in right now is quite perverse. It's celebrating celebrating diversity under the guise of celebrating diversity. So everything I say is actually quite normal. But because we've gotten into a place in society, where things are upside down and normalcy is heralded as some kind of bigotry, it seems controversial. interesting what you said because you said the things you say are simple and I kind of realized that we're at this place you know, I always say, like, you wanna lose weight, diet and exercise. Done. No more books, no more conversations, no more anything, you know. You want to heal a community, dad, stay there, raise your kids focus on education. Done. We don't have to have any more discussions about it. It's it's the insanely simple answers or what people push back the hardest again. Right. is. And that's deemed controversial saying it's just the strangest thing to And that's deemed controversial saying. It's just the strangest thing to me. Like, if we lived in a normal society, don't even like the word normal, by the way. That just me saying the word normal is going to trigger a lot of people you'll see in the comments. Like, how could she possibly say? What who defines normal? Like, it's like suddenly, we're all, Marcus, and we want to pretend that nothing there there's no such thing as normal and everything's subjective when it's really not. If if things were okay and lived in normal society, I wouldn't have a platform. Think about that. I went on the platform because I'm saying one plus one equals two and people want to burn down society over that. They're just like, how could you possibly say that? So, yeah, I exist because society is perverse. What do you So, you know, I've been trying to really noodle on this. Like, what makes people so agitated by you. I mean, people on the left, obviously. What what does that summon in them? And I've started to think about a few things. People on the left hate people that don't apologize back pedal are and and who stand up to them. It drives them insane. It's this weird thing. It's like they think they have magic in their finger and they're pointing at you and you're just walking around your life and they're going, but I command you to stop and you're like, I don't care. But I told you to apologize, like, okay, I'm not. Like, it's it's so self absorbed and so narcissistic and so bizarre that they're almost they're confused and then they're enraged by it. Right. They're sadistic. Right? What they hate about me is I'm not a masochist. So they like to do things, like to be people in this submission because it gives them a feeling of goodness. I told this person that they're a racist and they took it and they gave a weird apology for something that clearly wasn't racist. Right? That's a form of being a sadist. Right? And I'm not a masochist. So when they say, I wanna beat you over the head, I'm like, actually, no, thank you. I'm I'm good with that. What I said was not this or that, and I'm going to double down. I'm going to repeat the very basic sentence that should not offend anybody. And that drives them crazy because they need to fulfill that sadistic fetish that lives inside of them. So we're on a good match. You know? Yeah, I mean, obviously, being a black woman and saying the things you say I think drives them. Well, because their game obviously, because the cold game is like everything they say, the way that they're they're able to execute this fetish is that they say, well, I'm doing it in the name of helping black people. Right? I'm doing it in the name of anti racism. I'm doing it in the name of anti sexism. I'm doing it in the name of anti misogyny. Well, now you have a black woman and you can't do that. And you're gonna have to instead think. You're gonna have to come back with a thought. And they're not capable of that. So they kind of then reduce themselves to an emotional bubble because that's in the toddlers, you know? So it's like you're making no sense. I'm not white, so you're whole well, then you're a racist, doesn't work, and it just leaves them kind of holding the stick of stupidity. It's also again, like, I always say, like, all roads lead to narcissism. Like, I don't think like Rachel Madau, thanks. Or Don Lemon Thanks, and I don't care. I don't know why that side wants dominion over the other side. You know, Tucker Carlson thinks differently than Don lemon, but they're not trying to get CNN canceled. Mhmm. Why can't you just keep walking? Right. And maybe it's kinda interesting because there used to be I'm a little older than you, but used to be able to say what you wanted. And if someone said something, you'd go, it's a free country. Let's say what I want. I don't know that they want that free country. It's a thought of free country because you can't say what you want. Right? If it was a free country, president Trump would have a Twitter account. We're we're a censored country, and we're coming increasingly more censored because there's this idea that only certain thoughts are allowed to exist in those thoughts are are of the ones that resemble the people that are in power. Right? So you you're not allowed to say thing that goes against a certain narrative. Right? The mainstream narrative, which in my opinion is actually not that mainstream. I think more people are being silenced and censored than ever I think more people are being silent and sensitive than ever before. And I actually think that I represent the ideas of the majority. Like, I'd like to think, and I think I'm right, that the majority of Americans don't believe that Cardi B should have been granted women of the year. Oh, really? She's a woman of the year by Billboard. She's a woman of the there's a woman that's been on her life talking about how she used to drug and rob men at the time that she was a stripper. By Bill Cosby standards, she should be in prison. Right? Yeah. And yet Bill born name to him of the year. I don't think that's because Black America won her name to him of the year. I don't believe that, you know, any person who a former doesn't have something negative to say about it, but people that are empowered at Billboard decide, well, this is what we're gonna do for whatever nefarious reason that is. You know, they're they're really trying to pollute our society with these abnorms that they're pretending are the norms. I don't believe that the average man wants upon address. I don't know, call me crazy. I don't think the average man wants to wear a slutty little dress and be like, oh my god. Look at me. I think most people acknowledge that's a perversion, but we're being told by all of these media companies that have a lot of power to decide on what the narrative is, that that is perfectly think most people acknowledge that's form of conversion, but we're being told by all of these media companies that have a lot of power to decide on what the narrative is, that that is perfectly normal. And so that's why I hit back on. I think The reason I have the platform that I do is because actually the majority feels this way and they feel like they're not being heard and then I don't like to say it without being accused of being a big or racist or a sexist. Howard Bauchner: Do we What do you think the endgame is for corporate America? What do you think their big picture plan is? Like, you see Major League Baseball pull out of Atlanta or Coke or Delta or United was a United that's that's gonna do, you know, x amount of African American women pilots in the next, whatever. Obviously they don't Obviously, they don't care. I mean, I don't think that they actually care about anything. They're they're corporations that care about making money, but they're obviously peddling this narrative I always say Subaru makes their cars with love, but they also make attack helicopters for the Japanese government. You know what I mean, the shoot, side winder missiles out of them. So I don't know who is Subaru. Well, they want you to feel this way. About them. So is it just them wanting to sell more units? Or what are they really looking for? I think that's way too simple of an think that's way too simple of an answer. I think it's it's it's much cheaper than that. And this would kind of pivot us into foreign policy discussion. I think over the last ten years, China hasn't tried to take over the world. And we lived in a different time now. So you can't take over because you can't just like roll trucks into America and say, okay, well, hey, we're here to fight a war. It's just different time now. I think the easiest way to render a super power like America week is from the inside out. Right? So you're seeing a pollution across the education system that's rendering kids dumber. Literally, there have never been more degrees handed out with dumber kids. I know what I'm talking about standardized tests. This is a dumbest kids that we've ever produced, and they've got more degrees than they've ever had. The idea of giving these people degrees that are completely meaningless. Like, here's a degree in feminist dance theory. Here's a degree in LITINK studies. You got a degree in LITINK studies. Did you know that? I don't even know what I mean. My mom was a Tucano studies major. And if she went to Judah College for, like, twenty six years, she's never paid a penny in taxes. So I understand. it. I got a front row Right. I got a front row seat today. What's the point of that? And the point of that is because you want to create generation of children that's never been so confident and knows absolutely nothing. So they they know nothing, they're not ever gonna be able to make money, but you can't make money. I'm gonna dance theory professor. You can't make I mean, you can become a professor and teach more kids how to not make money. You have no practical skills. What do you get when you have a society that is gearing towards e mass escalating men. Right? But at the same exact time, China isn't is implementing a program to make men more masculine, literally, making men more masculine. They want their men to be more They want their men to be more masculine. If you look also recent study release, fifty percent testosterone levels are down fifty percent from couple of decades ago. That's an incredible thing that should be talk talked about. And and so when you look at all of these pieces and you and you todays foreign policy and the Chinese Belt and Roll initiative and you watch know, case in point, Joe Biden's secretary state, Anthony Blinking, and Sydney across from China at that Anchorage Anchorage Alaska Summit. And then China's looking us in the face and saying you're not a world power anymore. At the same time, China is trying to stow racial conflicts in this country. They've come out. They just now sit at the UN. Don't ask me how. They they now, you know, sit on the humanitarian on the humanitarian board, and they're saying America has racism at the same time that they're committing to genocide on Muslims in their country. They've got a lot of power right now. Right? And, you know, they are the second biggest funders of of the United Nations. They've always been a sleeping dragon, and I think the dragon is waking up. Everything that I see happening in America and I could get, like I said, this could be an hour discussion. We could talk about Russian collusion. think even China is behind that. Biggest enemy to China. Obviously, the biggest threat to China would be its next door neighbor, Russia, because they're another nuclear power. And if you are China, and you're trying to take over the West. You need to make sure that the West has established no meaningful relationship with Russia. Hence, going at Trump so hard with Russian collusion because it's likely that Trump would have done some meaningful deal or pack because he recognized a vote of China. So, I mean, again, much larger discussion. don't think it's so simple as, like, they're just like, hey, whatever. China runs Hollywood. They own Hollywood. They, they, you know, they own all the movie They they, you know, they own all the movie studios. So they're setting the the the palette in America right now and nobody's talking about it. And it's timely, I will say, that suddenly, when people just start talking about it, this stop Asian hate campaign has come out of left field. It's a left field of tackle white supremacy, and where they're gonna end with that. To me, it's gonna be what they do with Black Lives Matter. You're not gonna be allowed to critique a Chinese person without being called a racist. And Well, prediction. Just prediction. Oh, fuck. Just the notion that we're not able to talk about the origins of COVID-nineteen. The fact that we call it COVID-nineteen versus all the other pandemics that were named after the city or the country or whatever. That that's a coup right there, and that's all utterly self imposed. right. You know what I know what I mean? That's us doing it to us because we're so racially That's us doing it to us because we're so racially charged. And, you know, I was saying, I'd heard about a white lives matter of uprising or something in Huntington Beach or something, you know, over weekend. And I thought to myself, well, of course, how long can there be Black Lives Matter rallies before it gives birth to a white lives matter. Like, if this is going to happen, it's bound to happen, it can't not happen. It's in saying how obsessed with race we are. Mhmm. I I, you know, I know the news outlets fuel it, but for some reason, it's striking a chord for everyone and we dive in on it. And I've been saying for as long as I've had a microphone in front of me, stop it. This is insane. We're not a racist country. Every time I say it, somebody next week goes, yeah. But come on, you got to admit there's but come on. You gotta admit. That's like, There's rate Of course, there's racism. You idiots. Yeah. I'm saying it's not a racist country. It's it's like if I say that at a table of ten people, I'll have nine of them arguing with me, like, there's something so important about keeping this fire burning. Right. For racism, that even kind of middle of the road agnostic people can't give it up. Right. What is that? I mean, it it's an obsession in your first and foremost, you have people that white guilt going back to your point about racism, white guilt makes them feel good about themselves. They get to look at all of their other white people and show how educated they are because they hate being white and they realize, you know, the privilege of my whiteness and all of this stuff, and they think that it gives them the moral upper hand. So you have white that's really a white on white crime. Half of times, things are canceled from being racist. A lot of people are not behind the cancellations. Like, I don't but people did not leave the charge to get Jomaima taken off of them. And we all had Jomaima syrup in our home zone that we're offended about this. But now you're having this game where white people like to feel better than other white people, and they're starting to look for racism in every crevice of society. So that's being fielded by white guilt. Then you have, you know, obviously, Black Lives Matter, which is in a corporation. It's an actual corporation that's in the end run by white people. And by the way, recently came out that they're also being funded by the CCP, Patrice Colors, the woman at the head of Black Lives Matter, is receiving funding from the CCP. In a through a back channel. So you've got all of this going on. Sorry. What's the CCP? The Chinese Communist Party. Oh, sorry. That you're talking about socialist thing here. No. The Chinese Communist Party. Oh, they've got a group inside of this country. So you have people that realize that you can keep America in a permanent state of turmoil by stowing the race conflict because it's never gonna be solved. Because there's always gonna be one racist. There's always gonna be something that happens. You know, where it happens to be a white and a black person. If you can spin that as as racism, then it's golden. So I mean, and this is a good I mean, and and this is a good example. My husband, we have a friend who's mixed race and he's sort of this team. Come on, man. There's been times when as a darker skinned person where people have handed me their keys and thought I was in LA. And my husband said to him, if you think that that's he's like, people do not to me too. I'm white. People have handed me the keys that I was about like, if you are channeled to believe, that every bad thing that happens to is because of the color of your skin. God bless you. Right? I everybody has you in a car, you get into a fight at a at a stoplight. And maybe that person's black, maybe that person's white. Of course, you're gonna have but but now it's if you're black, this happens to because you're black, not because everybody goes through, you know, flipping each other off at a stop sign and then you move on from it. So that's the point of critical race theory. In system is to train people, the kids now, to see race and to see also sex everywhere. They're not implementing it in the school system. So we're not gonna come out of that. I I don't know how I don't know if they know how insanely perverse and dangerous that is to do to a young person. Oh, what do they do? I mean, you wanna talk about the best way to ruin a person's life. Make them think they live in a country where they have a target on their And it's insane how it's promulgated. Like, whenever I hear Michelle Obama, Michelle Obama gives examples like I took my kids to a soft swirl ice cream place and a white woman walked in front of us in Lifelockcom, we did me. Like, that's her example of racism. It's very, so she said, you know, nobody saw Against this. Like, she said, you know, nobody saw me. And, like, first off, you're a liar. You've got 10 secret services on you at all time forever for the rest of your got ten secret service on you at all time. Forever for the rest of your life. Somebody saw you. Okay? So I appreciate this little puppy dog story, but like you come in and and people have to pay attention because you're like who's walking in with like twenty secret service at all time, you know? But beyond that, again, have you not had somebody walk in front of you? you? I mean like, do you really believe that why people are going in this country and they've never had somebody walk in front of them or that never been cut off while you're I mean, like, do you really believe that why people are going in this country? And they've never had somebody walk in front of them or they've never been cut off while while you're driving. And, like, this is a form of privilege. This happens everywhere. But again, we're being trained to only see things racially because they want these people to become activists and and polluting the school system with this to me as a form of it's it's Hitler youth. Right? You tell me, this is propaganda for children because when they come out, you want them to be activists. You want them to to support these movements because and by the way, that's all they can do because they know nothing. You're replacing hard academics, which would teach these children to be successful, engineering mathematics, you know, the the sciences. And these kids instead are learning about white privilege and and then they're gonna get out of school and they're not gonna be successful and they're gonna be convinced it's because they're black and not because they know absolutely nothing. You know, it's, I I've said it a million know, it's I've I've said it a million times. Every house I've lived in, I'd have I had a neighbor where if I was black, I would be convinced they were racist because they've done horrible stuff, called the cops, you know. Bad reviews. Everything. Everything. So, number Number two. I don't know what the endgame could possibly be. I mean, it has to be a disaster for the black community. I can't imagine this helping the black community and any way, shape, performance. Obviously, it's gonna hurt the black community. I am how is the black community doing? And what direction are they going? Well, listen, so of course, things are not going well. I think things are gonna get a lot worse because, I mean, I tweeted earlier today. There's no incentive to be a police officer today, there's sent in to be police officer today. Right? If there are calls to defund the police, there are calls to to, you know, make policing obsolete Right? Which just means that, you know, it's not gonna be this big vacuous space enough. It's not gonna be filled. Of course, it's gonna be filled by the gang members. So we're talking about turning all of these inner cities into Gotham City. right? And the people that are going to hurt or not the, you know, white people in the suburbs that are writing Oh, black lives matter on their Instagram is going to be the very people that they purport to help are where the most policing takes place in inner city the people that are gonna hurt are not the, you know, white people in the suburbs that are writing, oh, black lives matter on their Instagram is gonna be the very people that they purport to help. Right, where the most policing takes place in inner city communities. That's that those people are gonna be hit hardest by this agenda. And they know that. right? They, they don't care that they're willing to have that happen because what does it They don't care that. They're willing to have that happen because what does it do? It keeps to keep them impoverished. Right? To keep a certain demographic constantly empowers and constantly wanting more and at the same time making sure that guaranteeing that they're ignorant, you know, go to California oneonone year olds They they did a test. They couldn't pass a basic reading exam. Seventy five percent of black boys couldn't pass a basic reading exam. Right. But it'll tell you all about black lives matter and how racist white people But they'll tell you all about black lives matter and how racist white people are. Right? So you keep these people ignorant and and ignorant is a toddler mindset where all they have is emotion. That's why toddlers cream and yell on the floor and why toddlers freak out and why in loot in their own way if they don't get what they want because they don't have any education, they're not educated. That's the goal. Make them uneducated. Make them emotional and use them as pawns to go out against anybody that they want to attack. Just say that person's a racist and then black Americans supposed to go, and attack that thing that they wanna attack. It's actually the biggest form of racism and white supremacy, in my opinion, and why I say the democrats are the white supremacists because they're doing this systematically. They see us as pawns. They always have seen us as pawns, and all they want is for our job is to be is to go out and to and to fight their enemies so that they can stay in power. I was listening to maybe the daily was listening to maybe the Daily Wire. I can't remember I was listening to Ben Shapiro show, but he was just kind of given a breakdown you know, the numbers aren't but it's basically who who's here are the Americans that earn the most and here is their divorce rate essentially. And Asians earn the most and they have the lowest, you know, single mom. And then next is white. It's also this weird narrative the the problem with all the race stuff that they kick around, the math doesn't work out. You know, it's always you know, racist, whitey, racist, whitey. There's other cultures that make more money than white activists, say, Asia. Right. So Pakistani Americans Yeah. There are many who do better. Mhmm. But they never bring up somehow. So it's just the white people at the top all the time. And they're not at the top. So Asians do the best, you know, they make a hundred average a hundred grand with, you know, fourteen percent single moms. And then Whiting does second at, like, seventy grand with, like, know, thirty percent, you know, twenty eight percent, you know, single moms. Then Hispanic is like they make fifty grand and they have fifty percent and then black is, you know, forty one thousand with seventy three percent -- Yeah. -- single mom. So there's a graph. It's an easy graph to follow. It's the ones It's not whities at the top. It's whoever stays together at the top. Whoever dads who stick around and raise. Yeah. Their kids are at the top. Why Why is this in my book? Why is it never come up? It does come up in Well, not in your book. Sorry, but But you never heard lot of things. More interesting way to look at it is if you look at, you know, if you get very subsessed, just look at black Americans and white Americans, you always hear people talking about wealth gap between black Americans and white Americans. Well, actually, what you should examine is the wealth gap between married black Americans and married white Americans. And it's something like a two point variation, meaning like there's, you know, living below the poverty line. think it's something like eleven percent of white Americans that are married and not like nine percent of white Americans that are married and eleven percent of black Americans that are married. So it's like just a slight variation in terms of poverty level if parents stay together. So it's just one thing that would dramatically change everything for the black community, but that doesn't happen obviously because of policies. Democrat policies. Right? There's an incentive since nineteen sixties to tell black Americans not to marry the father of their children, and that was started by Lyndon James Johnson. He gave that famous speech at how our university saying, like, not only we're gonna give you civil rights, but we're also gonna give you more that. And that more than that was we're gonna marry you to government, and we're gonna make, you know, we're gonna keep giving you handouts. You're never really gonna get ahead, but gonna want more government, more government, more government. And, you know, he said a quote. And it was that he would have Black Americans, he called us those n words, voting Democrat for the next two hundred years. Thus far, slam dunk, LBJ. He's done He's on it. You know, it's magic. Yeah. Speaking of magic, why aren't more black people leaders in the community? Speaking up. Like, they they understand. Like, they they live their life that way. It's kind of, you know, our friend Dennis Prager always says that the Jews live a conservative lifestyle like it's about the kids about education. It's about family. It's about worship. You know? And then they vote Democratic. You know? They don't they don't preach what they practice. And there are many people in the black community who understand this simple recipe that we've just discussed narraeope. Out of the the people that are the kind of leaders and that sort of in in culture? Well, I actually think it's the opposite. I think that the biggest leaders in culture and if we're defining leaders by people that have the most followers are ignorant. And there's there's one thing that Democrats love to celebrate. It's the black athlete and the black hip hop star. Right? People that make them using people that play sports. And I think the reason why they focus so much and they'll give us that. They're willing to make, you know, let's call LeBron James King, let's call Beyonce Queen. Is because they recognize that these people are not the most educated on the entire world. I don't think when the Braun James is, you know, pro black lives matter that he's doing that. Because he's trying to send Bakken to the wrong way. It's because he's not a very educated person. He, you know, just barely graduated high school. We got drafted from high school. He doesn't know what he's talking about. So he's all emotional. Right? Because he has not developed his his intellectual side. There's no question that that LeBron James, I think if he sat down and took an IQ test, you you would not be surprised to find out that he's not the smartest person in the room, but he is the person with the biggest following. So, what doctor Ben Carson says, which should we listen to, what doctor Condeleza Rice says, Right? She's got one of the most brilliant black women to ever live. Right? Coons oftentimes dismiss it. Democrats instantly brand them and call them cruise knuckle times. They never want that person to ever have a platform, which is why they hate me. Right? Not that I'm in the same stratosphere as convoluted wise in terms of intellect. But Lebron James, we'll give him a platform and we're gonna feed to him when he used to talk about and show him because when he needs to care about. And he reacts emotionally because he's not intellectually developed. Same with Cardi B. I mean, Joe Biden came out of his cave during the election cycle to sit down with one person. It was Cardi B. You think you listen, you listen to listen to Cardi B. You listen to what WAP stands for. No. I think I think you think it's a slang for Italian. Right. Exactly. Probably. That's exactly right. But what I will tell you is that what he does know is that she's got seventy four million followers and the democrats know that if if she says with him than a bunch of people who are equally as ignorant as her will follow it. And so these are pawns in their game and they don't recognize that. And it's sad because I'd love for them to humble themselves, to want to learn it because they would be such truth tellers. You know, their platforms could be used for good. Instead, it's used evil, and that evil is not even being executed by that necessarily. So first things first, I I just know the more free stuff you give to people the more you ruin the the the culture, the people. Whoever whoever gets it. Whatever. Everyone has to earn things. I I come from a family. My mom got a bunch of free crap. I mean, was junk, but a free house junk, welfare, food stands. She's the least productive person I've ever met my life and angry as well. And, you know, there was story that I'll butcher little bit, but when we wanted to test nuclear bombs on bikini island. We took all the folks that lived on bikini island and move them off of bikini island. So we, the U. S. Government, could blow up nuclear devices. Like in the fifties, think we're trying to experiment, but atom bombs and things like that. And we moved them all off the island, but we said, don't worry. You get all the Foodsball and beer you want, like, we're gonna take care of you. Like, nobody has to work anymore. They all just got fat, diabetic, and became alcoholic. Like, you you cannot take a group of people and go, don't worry about it. We got We got this. The government's gonna take care of you. It ruins the group. Almost immediately. I I cannot. And then then the politician says the answer is more free stuff, which is the opposite of the answer. Look, they just want slaves. They just want people to control that. We'll keep them in power. If you want to stay in power, you need to make sure that They know nothing but to vote for you because you're giving them something. It's very easy easy way to win. I mean, it's kind of like almost elementary. Right? It's like the person And I'm gonna just go, I don't know if you had this, but when they're running for class president, and then there's the one kid who's like, I'm gonna give you free lunch. Everyone's like pizza. Everyone's gonna pizza. Yeah. Like, that's kind of a democratic strategy, except it's worked, which is crazy, you know, because they they're just like, okay, we're just gonna respond to motion. I'm gonna give you free stuff. The point is, I wanna be president. Right? I wanna be in power. And I wanna be able to make every other decision. All I gotta do is give you some free pizza. Why not? Well, speak, you know, the president are the former president Barack Obama and Michelle Obama. I wanna I wanna drill down on them. 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That's headspace dot com slash adam for a free one month trial with access to headspace's full library of meditations for every situation. This is the best deal offered right now. Head to headspace.com/adam head to headspace dot com slash adam today. Alright. Back with Candice Owens. Candice is the show that's available exclusively on the daily wire dailywire dot com is a great show. I just did it. So please watch, and of course, the book Blackout, which is available now on Amazon and our website, canvas owens dot com and shooter tweet party at real candice o. The Obama's. I was, you know, so I'll just give you the perspective of the middle-aged white I was you know, so I'll just give you the perspective of the middle aged white guy. I grew up in a very progressive kind of family And the benchmark for when our country was officially done being racist is the day we elected the first black president. It was spoken. It was like because it's hard to measure racism. Like, I don't know how racist you are, he is, or we have, or whatever. But it's, like, all through my lifetime, seventies, eighties, nineties, like, one day when we elect our first black president, that's when that that mark that day racism over. Mhmm. And and and comedians would do jokes about how he'd be assassinated todays the first day and everything, but we use that as a measuring stick to measure the end of racism. So it happened. And Obama was pretty moderate. I feel like at the beginning, he was saying things like, look, if I don't get elected. It's not because of my skin colors, because of my policy, whatever. And he's been changing his tune and becoming more sort of Activated. Yeah. Activated if we will. That's gonna be the name of the expo. Activated. Yes. And in Michelle as well, like, in weighing in on all these sort of social things and cop shootings and same things that are, like, pretty incendiary. Yeah, you know, so I agree with you hundred percent. Obviously, we did not we did not get what we paid for with Obama. And you're correct that that should have been the easiest detractors America or racist country. Well, the majority in America, racially, the breakdown is the majority of people are white. Sixty percent of people are white, only thirteen percent of people are black. So if we lived in a white supremacist country, a black person whenever gay elected. To pick up person. I'd say it's plain simple. I mean, that's look at the numbers. Right? And he was people came out, oh, while we supported him, while people supported him, and it was because he delivered this dream that, you know, we could finally put this behind us. And he's pivoted on that obviously, and the reasons for that is simple. Barack Obama was an unknown guy who went into the White House. He took a lot of money from a lot of people. You don't take a lot of money from a lot of people and get to keep your voice. I mean, the the Frost intensive purposes, the presidency is really supposed to just be a form of puppetry. You know? They're not in control of the corporations that back them. When do you think that these people wanna give all this money to these people for. It's for influence. Right? They wanna make sure that when you're in office, these are the policies that you're not to, whatever it is, whatever back end deals you're doing to sit at that table. You know, you compromise your soul, and that's unfortunately what Barack Obama did. You know, smart guy, great speaker, was successful at Harvard. Fill out a purse, a lot of feet, but he wasn't a man that was in control because he took a lot of money to get to where he was. And the on the opposite side of that is Trump. It was a story of a man who didn't need anybody to help him get to where he was. He had his own celebrity. He had his own money. And he got into the White House and looked what they did to him because they couldn't control him. Right. Because they weren't able to control him as a story of how you know, not how, but why the media wanted to essentially assassinate him Because they weren't able to control him as a story of how, you know, not how but why the media wanted to essentially assassinate him electronically. Right? Is all of these lies and stories they've brought about him? So it's a tale of two presidencies. One, a man that's a hostage, and that's when he continues to be. Him and Michelle are hostages and you know, Trump not allowed to speak him and Michelle are hostage. And, you know, Trump I You know, I'm not allowed to speak. Like a peachorative. Like explain the hostage. Yeah, it I mean, it is a pejorative, I guess, in a sense, but it's no. It's not really pejorative. It's just description of a hostage, meaning that you're not allowed to be who you are and say what you think. And that's not just at his level, you and I had a discussion on my show about people in Hollywood and I asked you why don't they have on these guests? On their shows and you said, you know, or why don't they grill certain people when they're on their show like Hunter Biden, you know, why aren't you asking these meaningful questions about prostitutes and all of this stuff, and the answer is simple because then they wouldn't have a show. So you're hostage at your own show. It's a show's got your name on it, but you've got no control over it because It's your Lifelockcom, musicians or hostages. You know this. You know, Hollywood people that message me and say, I'm a conservative, but I can't say anything. You're a hostage or in a hostage You're a hostage. You're in hostage situation. If you say something, your life is gonna be taken from you. You know? And I mean that literally, they'll they'll take the analogs, the awards, you'll get last listed, you won't be able to hang out with anybody, you won't get another show, you won't be able to book another show. So that's a hostage situation. You're not actually in control of your own life. Do you feel so I've speculated that the folks that are trying to hold people hostage are creating you and Ben Shapiro. I don't mean, creating. But they're inadvertently just like we we spoke at the beginning that black lives matter. The movement is unfortunately gonna give birth to a counter movement, which for the, you know, the it's essentially it's like people have been talking about the clan and won't stop talking about the clan when the clan has no power in this country, no numbers in this country, or inadvertently starting to create like a two point o kind of -- Right. -- kind of plan. This makes sense. And well, it it it could go no other way. There's gonna be a yen. There's gonna be a yen. Exactly. Right. You're gonna create this. It's gonna they're gonna create that. Like, that's how it's gonna work. And all of the Hollywood super Liberals and cancel culture and everything, has to be the best news ever to the Daily Wire and Candice Owens and Bench apparel and all the people. I mean, I've just been walking around the campus here. This is quite an operation. And I feel like It's sort of like a balloon that's half full with air and you squeeze one side with it and the other side bulges up. You don't just squeeze one side and have it go away. You squeeze it and it goes, wow. And that's what you guys are sort of doing. Like, it's it's the best it's the greatest favor ever. Yeah. And I think it's gonna give birth to more and there's gonna be bigger movements and more more podcast and more shows and more conservative and more people realizing that they have to get out of that Hollywood system Yeah. You can't you can't operate in that system. Yeah. What you're describing is pretty much culture gives birth to counter culture until counter culture becomes culture. Right. That's the equilibrium. Right? It's that that is what is happening right now where it's I have the best job and circumstance ever. Right? I get to tell the truth. I don't have to compromise myself. I'm not owned by any corporations. Right? There's nobody that owns Candice Owens. You know, I have my own platform and I get to get people that are inspired and are then giving themselves permission to say, I think this is crazy and it's good to know that I can go to this place and hear you know, truth. I can hear things that are not controversial, shouldn't be controversial. And I know that I'm not going and I know that I'm not going crazy. And so that's why Benchbio gets a platform, that's why Cannasoan gets a That's why all of these conservatives that they hate so much. And they're trying to sense their advance why Trump gets extra ten million votes. After being obviously the the most fundamentally spat on figuratively president ever. Right? There's never been someone who's been accused of being a racist more than Trump, and that's incredible because there are actual presidents that were in office that were real racism or saying the yen were, you know, in every other sentence. And yet despite him being accused of being racist, sexist, a misogynist day in and day out, being accused of being incestuous, even so he had feelings for Ivanka. Despite that, Trump gained ten million votes in his country. He increased his support amongst black men, and he doubled his support amongst black women. So incredible. Wow. That's the real story here. Right? That America doesn't care anymore. What's being said in the mainstream media because the mainstream, as I said earlier, is not actually mainstream. They're just trying to make you think it is. Well, I think what I think we discovered a short period ago that celebrity endorsements don't mean shit. And we used to think, oh, if we could just get Robert DeNiro to endorse our candidate or or ice cream oh, that That'd be huge. And you find out, like, you know, Oprah and Robert and Aaron's stuff. They all endorse some candidate, and then they then they then they lose, and it was, like, kind of this weird peek behind the curtain at the the wizard, you know, don't mind the man behind the curtain kind of situation. And I think that's what's going on with the media. Yeah. Now I think people are like People are the little guy, the little wizard. I don't believe it anymore. It's like, that's Mike trying to leave. He just somebody just walked in. It was just podcast. Somebody just, Somebody just walked in to the glass door. He says, like, incredible. No, it's like I heard there was the whole Gates It's it's like I heard there's the whole gates thing and there's unnamed sources from the White House tell you know, former Trump administration unnamed sources tell the New York Times blah blah blah. And I was like, I'm done with unnamed sources about the Trump White House. Nice. I'm no longer do I But it's the New York Times. Yeah. If you wanna told me that eight years ago, I would've went okay. Now I hear un unnamed sources from the Trump administration say And the New York Times is reporting it, and I just keep walking. Right. And I tell people all the time, it may be true I just don't know it anymore. Right. It's it's it's the boy who caught cried wolf. I mean, like, we do actually need real journalists. They don't exist anymore. We just have activists. Right? A few and far between maybe couple of them exist. We just have activists. Right? And the problem with that is that we still need journalists. Right? So there's going to be a story where we act need someone to say, this is a really bad thing that happened. We need to pay attention to it. But because, you know, we have just realized that nothing in tells us true, that they're constantly just going on with people that these are just hit jobs. If everybody's a racist, you know, air is racist, that was an actual headline in in the Washington Post last year that, you know, even air is racist, black people aren't even allowed to breathe the same air as white people. No one wants to hear anymore. Just like, you know, you could literally walk in and tell us that the sky was falling. We just wouldn't believe it because you'd be like from the New York Times. Okay. Yeah. They just want the sky to fall because Trump's president sort of a thing. You know? I haven't unfortunate. have a theory to float with you, which is I I'm not very educated. But I just sit around and sort of look at trends and try to pick up trends and sort of sociological trends. And I was around for long time before we had our first black president. And again, that was we were going to usher in a new era of non racism because we now have our first black president. I noticed us doubling down on the racism theories after we did this. It was, like, almost as if the man who or CNN or popular culture went, how do we keep this narrative of living in a racist country when we have a two term black president. How do we keep this narrative going? It it seems like we just shot holes in our own narrative and they all got together and went, we gotta triple down now. Yeah. We gotta create we gotta find racism everywhere. It's just racism. They extended it. Right? So then they moved on to cause they're, I think the Democrat plan became all we're going to do is pick people that seem like a little guy, So then they moved on too because they're I think the Democrat plan became, all we're gonna do is pick people that seem like the little guy. Right? So they went from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton. Right? Running Hillary Clinton. And then that was when the me too movement started and women have been oppressed and haven't been able to speak out and all of these things, even though we're dominating men in virtually almost every statistic, that was when the Too movement started women have been suppressed and haven't been able speak out and all of these things even though we're dominating men in virtually almost every statistic. Right? Men are a higher suicide rates. Men are in graduate college as high as women, but this is are graduate, colleges, high women. This is it. it. We're going to, it's just a narrative or a gonna it's just long story short. One woman. Yeah. To pay more. Yeah. You guys have the ultimate luck, all the belly aching about 72 cents to the guys have the ultimate luck. Right. All the belly acing about seventy two cents to the man. You guys live like eight years longer than we do. Eighty percent of all the spending purchasing power in this country is dominated by women. And yet, they started adjusting on this area because suddenly they wanted people to really focus on this ism because they wanted this person to be president. So they they actually said, racism is not enough. Where else can we extend things? And this is how we've arrived at like You know what I mean? Like, where is more things that could be happening to gay people? Can we how many letters can we tack on to LGBT? It's not enough. We have AAQ and r and s to TUVWXY and z because the z people have not been allowed to speak. And if they don't help the z people, then what is this country, but if I was the bigoted backers? Yeah. I know No. If you watch CNN, you think this country was forty six percent transects. I know. I like I I really I I literally I always tell the story, but it makes me laugh because how people aren't sister used to be a hairdresser. She worked in Silver Lake on Hyperion, a very gay part of super gay. That's all she saw. I said to her once, she was like twenty two. I said, what percentage of males do you think are gay? She's like, well, I don't know, eighty percent. Because that's she lived in it. You know what mean? If you just watched CNN, you'd think we're in the mid forties, trans sexuals. Like, this notion that they pick these things that don't make a difference to a society day in and day out, have no impact whatsoever. Just don't. Yeah. There's this, you know, there's more impact of afternized killer bees coming in from Mexico or or murder hornets. Yeah. There's just It's not a thing. Way less than one percent. Then they turn it into this thing and then we argue over it. It's like But at the same time, turning into this thing is that they're creating because they realize that, they're just creating trans people. Worklife statistics and I can't remember the exact number Michael knows cover this and it was stunning statistics. Of people that identified as todays ten years ago versus or five years ago versus today. So in the last five years, those are now programming people to think they can pick gender. That's a whole point of this. Right? So like, we didn't Right? So, like, we didn't learn. This is not a thing when I was a kid. It was just like, I'm a girl. You're a boy. Great. I was a Tomboy for a few years. No one was like, well, Candace, you like to run around the boys. Maybe your name's really Michael. Nobody tried like, program me that way. It was just, like, you know, like, little girl running around the playground with boys. And then I went through puberty and something, I thought those guys were hot. Now, there's this focus on in its type of child abuse. On on telling children that they can pick their generation, not their trans. And let me just say this very clearly. You show me a trans child, it's like showing me a vegan dog. Know he's making decisions in the household. This doesn't say it's a trans child. They still don't know anything. Right? So if a kid child is on these videos going, I'm transgender, That is that tells you who's making the parents are teaching the kid this and telling them that. There's no vegan dog, there's no trans child. There's a fucked up parent at the top that part of my language. No, that's fine. I like your passion. I can hear doctor Drews voice in my head. And he would say, there is gender dysphoria. Doesn't happen at that age? Don't even know which is. Even the idea that kids even understand the even the idea of kids even understand the sexuality. I mean, are you kidding? It doesn't mean anything. Think about try to actually in your head. Imagine what you were doing at five years old. Four years old. Okay? And you forget you forget like it's like it's the idea that kids are sitting around going what's your gender? I actually feel like a boy I mean, like, kids at five years old, I need it in school. They think they're mermaids. I had a girl who thought literally thought she was mermaid. Like, she literally when I told you, I'm not forget there was sometimes up and cried, did not want to get out of the tub. Because she swore to me she was mermaid. Right? My job in that scenario was not dope. It's not go. She picked her species. He's a mermaid. You know, it's Yeah. -- get out of the top right now because you're human being and let's they're waiting for adults to be adults. Like, you know, kids say things all the time. I'm Batman, I'm I'm superman. The part of the oh, the job of the parents not to go, okay, try to fly off the house, Superman. Right. No. No. No. No. No. You know, kids, little threals, put their feet, you know, in of course, little boys all the time. Little two year old threals, they see heels. They look interesting. They put their feet in the heels. The job of the parent is not to go, well, maybe you're a woman. Maybe you wanna be a woman. Did I see that your feet are in my the parents are nuts. Right? They're trying to legitimize every thought, feeling, and sentence that a child says when the truth is, they're just children. They say ridiculous things all the time. They have no idea what's going on. You are the adults. You're supposed to make sense of the world to them instead. You have adults that are polluting and ruining these kids. It's child abuse. And it's why I swear because it's actually we're trying to mainstream child abuse right now. Well, it's making for some of the most miserable kids I've ever seen in my life because imagine you know, you just take something like the environment. You you take this kid I I had this growing up. Believe it or not. So, this stuff, you're much younger than I am. This stuff has been kind of weaponized and hit with creatine and, you know, growth serum, but it's pretty old shit. I grew up around this stuff talking about the environment, talking about being out of fuel, talking about having to live underground, There was a lot of doom and gloom Everything with with five years. They have a new reason why the world's gonna With the environment and think about the not so subtle child abuse that kids suffer and I had a hippie mom. So I remember being eight years old and they're going We got about ten more years. Like and also They they always say ten more years, but -- Right. -- they always say ten more years. Well, and also there was a magic number that least kids today don't have to deal with this. I had the year two thousand. So it worklife, you know, nineteen eighty one. By the year two thousand, We're not gonna have an atmosphere anymore. We're gonna the sun's rays will melt your skin, will be out of fuel. They did. They did the ozone hole. Right. That ended up being, oops, That ended up being oops. Never mind got it wrong. They did global cooling. When they said it was gonna freeze and, like, oops, got it wrong. They did acid rain in seven days. Oh, yeah. Right. They all got it wrong. We we blew that into Canada. That's Yeah. Yeah. They did acid rain this out of these. Oops got it wrong. Did when I was a kid, it was global warming. Then, accidentally, the temperature started dropping. So they changed it anyway, let's just say climate change because, like, climate changes and, like, let's just make that a thing. Have these kids that are convinced that their role is gonna end, and that is a form of child abuse. Of course. They don't know this. They don't know that they just make this up every ten years because they wanna grip these children, turn them into activists, and give themselves a permission to start all of these organizations because it empowers them. I mean, these these politicians are are using children as bartering tools to give themselves power. You can tax you trillions of dollars in reentering the Paris accord agreement, what? What? Because somehow being in this they don't know any better. They don't know. None of it makes sense. You just know that they don't wanna they don't wanna die. Right? They don't wanna be dead in ten years. This insane narcissism of thinking that we can control the world's environment. Look, given our land mass, you know, like and also not letting developing countries develop because they wanna use fossil fuel, which is the best way to develop. I'd like to shift to don't know, psychological subjects and issues because I find you intense but also find you sort of jovial and kind of in a in a good mood. And I will say this and everyone I've been traveling with commented on this, which is people at a at a place like the DailyWire or Prager You, young people are a hell of a lot more respectful in places like this than whatever I'm used to in Hollywood, whatever organization, whatever place I go to. It's it's palpable. By the way, how insanely respectful, the average twenty three year old is bopping around here versus the average twenty three year old is bopping around Ellen's place in Hollywood. And I think that's something to to take note of. But For you, a, what do you How would you describe yourself? Do you think of yourself as intense? Do you think of yourself as Jovial? Do you think of yourself as laid back? Like, there's a lot of people like I think of myself as laid back, but no one else thinks of me as laid back. Yeah. I think everyone around me thinks of me as laid back. around me thinks me as laid back, but the media perception of me is intense because I constantly have to be on the defense to just be myself. Right? So Obviously, when people actually see me in the media, I'm always like locking horns with someone who's trying to tell me what I have to be. What I have to think or what I'm allowed to think. So, you know, with me, I'm a tourist, you mess the bull, you get the horns. But in my day to day life, you know, people that work with me, work for me, you know, I'm jovial. I'm just a happy person. You know, every single day I wake up and I think how blessed I am two generations ago, my grandfather was working on share cropping farm, pulling out tobacco and a drive five years old, running from the Kukuluk's plant, he's still alive. Right? Look at my life. I mean, what a blessing. And that and that is kind of one of the things that it upsets me the most about this generation is that there's never been a group of of human beings that have been more privileged and more blessed. And there's also never been a group of human beings that have complained more. Yeah. Just wrong. It feels so self-imposed world war II two generations ago, feels so self imposed. Wow. World War two, two generations ago. Right? know, grandparents. Who who fought in War two. That generation is is just kind of on its last legs. And you have people that think that they're facing a war when ventura comes to speak on college campuses. Like, that's when they have to activate the troops. What Aesthetic. If you had a magic wand for the, that said, they're going to fix the black community and here's my magic you had a a magic wand for the that that said they're gonna fix the black community and here's my magic wand. What direction would you point it? What would you wish for? Like, what what would would you implement? Like, you're just in charge. What Education. Family culture. Explain the culture part. Woman of the year is gonna be kinda laser rice. A good note to go out on. Candice Jones, I I love that there's people like you. In the Thirty one years of age, like, I I expect you to be in very interesting positions in the decades to come. I really I really do think you have something -- Thank you. -- special. And I I really I I just wish more people sort of had your your hoods by, but I think people don't wanna be in the middle anymore, so they just either go hard left or they go hard right because I think everyone's getting pummeled who's trying to be sort of reasonable and hang out in the middle somewhere. It's just a theory I've been throwing around. Candice is the new show. And it's available on the daily wire dailywire dot com. And the book Blackout, of course, and that's available. On Amazon, can is always a great slice of life when you come in here and speak your mind and I'm not even in your studio. I mean, I'm in Shapiro's side the building, but thanks for having me on. Thank you. Well, I guess, thanks. Thank you for having me on, technically, on your side. Yeah. Oh, and you're podcast. Home and home. And until next time oh, no. We're gonna throw it over to Tucker Carlson because we're gonna do part two. Tucker Carlson, Kansas Avenue. Thank you very much. Thank you. Well, let's take a quick break to talk about let's take a quick break to talk about Geico. Do you own, do you Do you own? Do you rent? You know the story you do one or the other, You know the story, you do one or the other. Right? And then there's your auto policy. Well, how about you put them all together under one Well, how about you put them all together under one roof at GEICO. It's called bundling, and GEICO makes it easy. Save a bunch of Save a bunch of dough. 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I when we left Emily, get the hell in here and verify now. That's true. I did say to you at the time. I wanna live like this. I want control over my life and I wanna live in a world that I'm comfortable in. That was the first thing I noticed about your studio and about your shop. They were tailored to the things that you're interested in. You're clearly comfortable there and you seemed it. And I thought, why aren't why am I not living like this? Like telling myself, oh, I'm so successful. It doesn't cost that much to live probably cost less actually to live in a way that you wanna live. Why am I not doing Why am I not doing this? Well, it's an interesting philosophical discussion, and I was talking about it. I think last night with my my August is sitting over there, which is orthodoxian rules, you know. It's what I always say for my entire childhood, if you went to a diner and ordered eggs, there was partially by the side of the play. Yeah. And no one touched it. No one ate it. And and did they throw it out? And then you'd say, what why the parceling? They'd go because you have to put the Parsley down because we're serving eggs. And then at some point in nineteen ninety Two, the Parsley all disappeared in one night. It's like they must have had some sort of clandestine meeting amongst the fellowship of diner owners or something. I said, no more starting Monday, the twenty second. No. It all went away. AND EVER SAID IT Worklife. The people who live in Gilroy, California, the parsley Capitol of the world is PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GILroy, CALIFORNIA, THE PROSELY CAPOL THE WORLD THAT'S ECONOMY COLAPSED. THAT IS TRUE AND A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT NEED THEIR pallet cleanse in between the eggs and the right house. But so there's just like orthodoxy. And and if you think about it, I was talking about I started with Kevin and Bean at a Kayrock in Los Angeles. And radio had rules TV had rules. You know, if you were gonna do a late night show, you couldn't do the tonight show and then do letterman. Letterman wouldn't have you. You know what I mean? Or you couldn't do letterman? And then Now, it's just a it's a free for all. And at Kayrock, Kevin and Bean were the morning show. And at some point, Bean said, I wanna move to Seattle. I hate Los Angeles. And they went, you can't be part of a morning show and do it from your home in Seattle. And then they were number one for another decade after removed and Now he lives in England, but the point is is there there were a lot of rules and I don't know that anyone ever stopped and questioned the rules. They were just the rules. They were just the Parsley. And I think more and more, if if anything COVID may be, that's right. Pause a certain set of the populace to triple down on rule following, and then another select group of heroes to go. I don't know. I'm I'm getting away from the rules. Well, especially since they're unevenly applied, and a and a law unevenly applied isn't a law. It's a it's a tool of persecution, of course. And so why would you participate in that? And I'm not calling on people not to pay their taxes or to lie on their, you know, photo background check when they buy guns or anything like that. But it's very clear that some privileged people get to do that and get away with but it's very clear that some privilege people get to do that and get away with it. So at the very least, why am I working in an office? I don't want to work in the, why am I living in a don't want to work in? Why am I living in a city? I don't like, what am I doing? With my life. I mean, on on the margins, I can take control. Why am I living apart from my children? I have a ton of children and they're all gone. And some of them moved back over the last year for COVID, and I thought, well, I don't know, I would like to live next to it. I don't really like my children, actually. So here's Why aren't living with them? Here's what I sort of thought of, jumped in my mind when you're talking about that. So for folks that are from another generation, we just had the sort of eat the parsley, go to work, you know, sort of punch the time clock, you know, there was a there was a rigidity, a schedule, you know. And I and and obviously the thought that you're expressing, which is It's my life, you know, why can't I live my life? Why can't I do it? That is a great American thought. But it's a thought that needs to be earned. Oh, yeah. And I think there's a problem with a lot of nineteen year olds who think I wanna live my life right now and it's like no, you gotta put the time in and earn your life. So I'm I I of course, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm saying that in order to make use of the gifts that you have. People are designed as individuals for individual tasks. I sincerely believe this. We're not all equally good at every In fact, most of us are good at just few things. And I think the key to life success and happiness is figuring what those things are and then making use of them. In order to maximize your use of those things, get rid of a lot of other things. I mean, the revelation I had around thirty five, it was like a life changing thought. Which is I'm really bad at certain things. I'm not doing those ever again. Like ever. I'm never doing that again because I'm not good at I'm never doing that again because I'm not good at it. I'm not gonna get better at it. What I'm going to do is figure out, like, the three things that I have some talent in, and I'm going to exercise those muscles and see how big I can get them. And that's basically all I've done. And COVID has allowed me to jettison things that stood in the way of those things. Like, I'm not there's some things I really don't like. I'm the opposite of you. I don't like cars. Don't like riding cars. I don't like driving cars. Period. I don't have a car. I don't have a bicycle. I know that's weird for you. It's like a famous car collector, but that's just how I feel. I don't like wearing socks. I'm never doing it again. Period. I mean, I'm not. I haven't. I haven't in a year. I've worn socks one day over the year. I don't drive. I don't drive. I don't like getting in cars. I just like being outside. And that's how I live. Yeah. Well, I feel like if you ride bikes everywhere, you should introduce socks at some point because it feels dangerous. This feels like a safety. It feels like a safety issue, Timmy. I give you, I admit, I ride a bike. Because I saw so dislike bicyclists. But I will say in my defense, my bike has no hand breaks or gears. It's just a straightforward fixed gear bike. You wanna slow it down, you kick it backwards, it's just it's the it's the it's the cheapest bike you can buy, and I like it. Well, let's let's move on. I ask a couple of senators because things that were I was thinking about when I was heading in to see tonight. And and it's been discussed that now that Donald Trump is sort of on the sidelines or on the links. A lot of the left in the culture and mainstream media sort of shifted its attention to you. Because they need a boogeyman. Yeah. And I always when I knowing guys like I know you or Dennis Praer or Venture Parrot, guys like that, I always I I always sort of half chuckle when they're talking about how evil these people are because I find you guys to be gregarious and family oriented and accommodating and just like you are when I saw you todays. how do you deal with that? Or do you deal with that? Or at a certain point, does it become fuel? Or I I will say is a is a fan of your show. I feel like in recent episodes, I feel like you're being fueled by the hatred of you amongst your detractors. I feel like your your position used to be little more buoyant or neutral or something. You always had an opinion. Right? But now there's look, when somebody goes after you, you basically have three postures you could pick. You could apologize to the person that comes after Yes. You could pretend like you didn't hear anything they said or you could push back against them. And I feel like you're evolving into pushing back specifically against those people. Well, I would say couple things. One, I don't wanna be fueled by rage. I'm a cheerful person. You. I'm from Southern California. I feel like my birthright is cheerfulness and shallowness. A lot of talk about the weather at seventy and sunny. It's kind of enough for me. So I I wanna remain that. What's changed is that with Trump gone, there's just more clarity. You know, I I think there are good things to be said about Trump, but Trump was certainly the focus of all attention. And so in the end, everything was really about Trump. With Trump off the stage, you can kind of see the issues and clear relief. You can sort of I don't know. It's just clearer. So I think it's worth being clearer about what the stakes are, so there's that. As for the, you know, the hater, the the tax on me, I mean, I really do turn it off. I don't have a lot of contact with that. I have a small group of people whose opinions I really care about and I listen to them very carefully. I have a very large group of friends I communicate with them by text. I don't read anything about myself. I would never watch a video about myself. I don't watch my own videos. I mean, I really try and keep my head clear. I took sauna every For an hour, I really try and sit in silence and just think and I love to be outside. So I don't marinate in the hate against me because I don't wanna come an angry person whose show is about himself. And that's the third point I would make is I don't and my producer is very smart, Justin Wells. And I talk about this all the and I talk to this all the time. We don't want the show to be about us. So if the US military, either ADL or whatever, Anthony Fauci, you know, attacks the show by name I don't want the next night to be all about. They have attacked us unfairly because in the end, it's narcissism. Who are you talking about Who are you talking about yourself? Right. And narcissism is is the flytrap that doesn't snare most public figures because it's all about you in the end and narcissism makes you unhappy It makes you a shitty parent, a bad husband, and it erodes your soul. So I just don't want to think about myself to the degree that they are trying to force me So I really fight against that. So hard to ask anyone I live around or who I know or deals with me a lot. I mean, I really, I don't look in the I mean, I really had to look in the mirror. I try not to use first person pronouns. I mean, I really go to great lengths not to become a narcissist. It's in the end probably a losing battle because we're we're born with solvency and and it's just a constant fighting against them. Anyway, what I think my job is and it's pretty clear Explain what's going on. Explain. I always think that our job is to explain. So we got attacked the other day about something that I said and that's racist or whatever. Okay. I don't take that seriously. I know my own views. I say them out loud. If you think my view if you really listen to what I'm saying and you think it's racist, we have a definite different definition. I don't know. Freightness though because I I'm making a color blind argument because I really sincerely believe that I was raised that way and I've never given those fuse up. So my job is not to prove I'm not a racist as far as I'm concerned. My job is to explain what the stakes are, what the ideas beneath the surface are, and what the consequences are. And the only good side about being tacked is it does wake you up a little bit and you realize, okay. Now I really do have to explain very carefully with great respect for language and precision what I'm trying to say and that's like that's a good thing. It makes you sharper and clearer and you take your own life more seriously and you take the world more seriously, it's kind of the opposite of being stoned. Mhmm. You know, like when I was a kid, I mean growing up and something, how funny, you know, we mer-one every day because that's what I mean, who didn't? And the thing I remember about that is, oh, wait, I don't remember anything about it. Right. That's kind of the whole point. Right. You'd sort of miss your life. Right. And it's not just weed that makes you miss your life. It's also all the other distractions that are coming into your view constantly and the beauty of a moment like this is you're really not missing your Lifelockcom you're fully engaged. You're assessing everything as carefully as can you're thinking about it as deeply as you're capable of, and then you're responding with, you know, great care You're not just, like, barfing up a response. You know, fuck you. That's that's not adequate. Right. At all. And so there's something kind of great about it. You're really living in sharp relief And I try to be grateful for that. I try to you know, there are a lot of bad things about this moment. My kids have suffered really greatly, and that wounds me. However, you know, at least it has meaning. It really does. There's actual meaning in in what we do. I think that. I want to talk about your process because I I'm a big fan of your show, and I watch it every night. And I really like the opening monologues. And I've also noticed as someone with a background in comedic writing. There's a lot more comedy in there. Now it's it's perside. It has a it has its purpose and it's and it's got some edge to it and it's it's directed in a direction. It's it's not knock knock jokes. But I have been Now it's kinda interesting because you you you do your show every day and and you're in you're involved with that process, which probably you don't sit around and study the game film. I actually todays the game film of your show. And I I see more comedy, and it's also something I'm keen to pick out. Like Yeah. That was that was funny joke or that's a funny little analogy or funny little herder phrase. I've been noticing more of it But again, not in a foolhardy, lighthearted way, but in in the best way to kind of make your point or go after someone oftentimes is to grab some comedy onto your onto your statement. And I don't know, is that all you? Yes. And and I'm its only audience. I'm I that was that. I read it for I write it for myself. I write the whole thing for myself. I do it only to amuse myself. It's it's It's impressive. I mean, it is concise. It's it's it's well thought out. It's well articulated. I know from being in the business, it's hard to do a twenty minute monologue on a on a daily basis. I mean, it's a real tall order. That's my only job. And to be, like, clear and pointing in, and then now starting to rinkle in some comedy, it's it's it's really an impressive feat. Like I as somebody who knows the business, I would I've sit around and go, does he have a some riders that are punching this thing up or working Working on him. I do that. And but that comes out of of neurotic energy. I mean, that is just like that's why good comedians offense. I'm not gonna speak of anyone particularly, but they're they're all a little emotionally edgy. They're a little bit They're a little bit raw. Right. And it comes I've always thought this about comedy, like the really funny people are not entirely tranquil inside. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, the two things are connected. And I And I do talk to my in fact, it's funny I was riding my bike here, talking on the phone because I do ride my bike, but I can't I'm still a Southern California person. I'm like, yep, on the phone while my bike. And I was talking to my producer driving over here and I was like, Oh, I feel a little bit oppressed by all the I was talking my producer driving over here and I was like, oh, I feel a little bit impressed by all the news And he said, you know, we need to, you know, make sure that we do an amusing segment or two in the next two days of the week because we need its comic relief. That's absolutely right. So we try and do I try and write at least one open out five that makes me laugh as I write it. The debates were my favorite because you could watch tape. Mhmm. And I just sit and watch the tape on my I write on my iPad in my bedroom Well, my wife does Peloton in the closet. She's got Jen Sherman's seventies hit screaming. You know what I mean? And I but I always sit there and I write it every afternoon. I started at five. I would take us on and have a cup of a take a song, I have a cup of coffee, and I write from five to seven thirty every And I would watch the tape from the debates and I would just use that. Out loud at me. And it was just like immediately calm. I mean, Pete Buttigieg was just like, oh my gosh. Yeah. It's just a gift that never stopped giving, but Thank god. He's energy no. Trans rotation. Notation. But laughing about stuff is essential to my mental health. Mhmm. And I also think it's an expression of power. Like if you are laughing at them, they haven't they're not controlling you. Well, you do spontaneously laugh because I mean it. I'd be absurd any of it, but it's also an expression like you you're not in charge of my soul, actually. I don't take you seriously. I think you're absurd. I think you're a buffoon. Listen to what you're saying. Your history will laugh at you, but I'm gonna give a preview right now and do it. It's also I don't know if you feel this way, but I feel that it's so Some of it is I feel it's gross and that some of it feels supremely narcissistic, but that you would even take the time to go after somebody like yourself or or anyone. Just the idea that you that they're involved with this character assassination stuff. It it it feels like a huge waste of time for them. Are you joking? I'm a I'm a Fox News cable TV host. I host forty two minutes what? Why are you bothering me? I've got opinions you don't agree with. Okay. If you really don't agree with them, tell me how I'm wrong. They never do. Why are you focusing on me? Like, I don't. I'm I'm just a talk show host, like, my boss works best in. Why don't I worklife worked at all the cable channels and I remember I had a really smart producer. I haven't had many of those, but I did have one once at CNN. And we screwed something up at, like, the two thousand conventional LA. And he said on my earpiece, he goes, it's just cable settled A. And instead of my earpiece, it's it's just cable, settle down. Right. And I thought, wow, that is really Thank you. You're right. It's just it's just television. It's not do you know what I mean? We're not taking someone's gallbladder out, lighten up. I really try and think that every day. But when I, last thing I'll say is when I finish writing that open, it's usually, I mean, I try to get up by seven 30 for an 8:00 PM live But when I last thing I'll say is when I finish writing that open, it's usually I mean, I try to get it by seven thirty for an eight PM live show. Sometimes, like, last night, it was seven forty. It's coming in pretty close. We have an amazing staff of producers who never complain when I do that, when I file late. But then I get them I put on a fresh shirt. I get on my bicycle. I drive one mile to worklife. And I'm done. I haven't We haven't even turned on the lights and I feel like this shows over. If I write that thing and I get it, you know, the twenty minutes to where I like it, I mean, I honestly feel like that's my whole job. Just writing it. I think I'm a writer. Oh, yeah. So I think of myself anyway. Well, reading it off a teleprompter or doing an interview, that's like totally easy. Anyone can do that. Yeah. The they are well, do you feel like you're writer? Yeah. IIII don't know. I'm not I'm not sure what I am. I guess, I can be a writer, you know. I don't I don't always feel like a writer. But I But creating words is your creating words is your job. Yeah. I I think of myself as I'm here to todays. Sort of humanity and then comment on it. Where do you study it? What who where are your models? Like, do you in conversations with people? Or are you always taking mental notes on the human condition? I have I I will do I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll do a lot of watching TV shows from the seventies or the eighties. It's all old culture because in in my what I've come to learn is that TV commercials and TV shows are snapshots of the culture -- Yes. -- when we're in it -- Yes. -- they're sort of amplified like a TV commercial is a sixty second version. Like, if you wanna know what nineteen seventy nine was like, watch five commercials -- Yes. -- from nineteen seventy nine. What if the hair worklife, the fashion look like, the color palette, the music, the sensibility, that's what we like. So I find myself studying us going that's what we're like. And and then saying, you know, where are we now? What what what's going on? I'm and I try to sort of compare and contrast them? How big is the change? Well, it's it's pretty grand, you know. I haven't watched TV in decades. Really? Yes. We don't yes. I haven't watched I haven't watched a TV show in at least twenty years. Well, there's the, what I've kind of the what I've kind of learned I think if I did, I'd be really upset. Yeah. I don't think I've seen a TV commercial. I don't honestly don't remember the last TV commercial I watched. Like, I honestly don't remember. I mean, I think. Certainly been before Trump has elected. And I think I would be really stunned it. III think the the kind of the moral of the story that I've learned is If you're wired like me, you can get information from watching an episode of the Love Boat from nineteen seventy nine. People say what are you doing? Wasting your time? Watching an episode of Love Boat? And I'm like, I'm studying it. I'm thinking about it. Where do you get it? I don't I don't know where that No. Can you pull up, Rob? Part of my Oh, yeah. We're right now. I'm revealing, like, how out of it I am, but you know, do you guys call Best Buy? You can buy and purchase a TV set. No. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. I know. But, like, can you pull up a love boat on the innermostats. Yeah, you can, you can find, you can find episodes of You can you can find you can find episodes of it. And then I todays, but look, I study people at the airport. I study people billboards. I studied automobile design. Like, I just todays things. And the thing that's interesting is if you start studying something, you'll notice patterns. So I just look for patterns, patterns, patterns, patterns, And then once you study patterns, everything you can predict things that happen before that happen because your pattern's steadier, but it's also weird things. Like my assistant, Matt found a lear. One day, he came walk. He came into worklife I was just talking to him. When I looked down, I said, what's what's the deal with those shoes? And there were just tennis shoes. And he said, I don't know, they're tennis shoes. Oh, what do you want? I said, oh. And we started talking, and then I stopped again. And I went, Some's What's up with those shoes? Some's up with those shoes. What's the story? And he said, oh, there just there were just ten issues that weren't at work. And I said, Okay. We should start talking a little more and I'm, well, this is kinda bugging now. I, is there something you're not telling now. Is there something you're not telling me about this? And he said, oh, they're my dad's shoes. I just borrowed them. And I said, okay, it was bothering me. It it felt to me like those shoes weren't your shoes or there were someone else's shoes or there's a story to those shoes. And it was only from studying pants. It sounded like he wore flip flops every day. He wore ten issues, but there were something in my studying of his pattern that had broken just a little bit. Like, it wasn't he stole a Hobo shoes. He just wore his dad shoes, but it didn't comport with me quite right. And I I it was just a feeling. I didn't know what was wrong. I just I just knew something was wrong because of the pattern. His pattern had been interrupted a little bit in my mind. That's so interesting. It's visual visual patterns. It's visual. It's it's it's it's mental, it's kind of an interesting thing. We have to take a quick break, but I'll I'll share I'll share an interesting insight right after this. Let me tell you about Lifelockcom. percent of Americans believe it's likely that identity theft will cause them financial loss in the next year. It's important to understand how cyber crime and identity theft are affecting our It's important to understand how cybercrime and identity theft are affecting our lives every day. We put our info at risk on the Internet in an instant. Cybercriminals could harm your finances and your credit Good thing. There's LifeLock, LifeLock detects a wide range of identity threats, like your social security number for sale on the dark There's LifeLock detects a wide range of identity threats. 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Promo code Adam for twenty five percent off. All right, We're back with Tucker Back with Tucker Karl said we're talking about patterns. So I drive around my car. I listen to the seventy station, the eighty station, and the sixty station, I just listened. But I todays everything. The the way they sung and the the things they sung about, and it was was kinda interesting what they were singing about in the sixties versus the seventies versus the nineties. But lately, I keep coming in with these songs going. I wanna know more about this song. And all of them seemed to be written by Carol King and her partner from back in the sixties and the seventies. And they're not saying this one was written by Carol King and her writing partner from the sixties. I just tap into something that she's some style. These are just pop songs from the sung by Bobby V and sung by the, you know, Bard hells or whoever the hell was singing back then. But every time I hear one that she wrote, a little thing goes off my head, although it's not conscious. It's just for some reason I go, I'm gonna write that song down. And then later on, somebody tells me, you know who wrote that song? I'm like, now, Carol King. I'm like, the last five songs have been written by Carol King, but they're all been different and done by different artists. It's just there's something that I'm hearing, a pattern, something familiar. And and that's all I do. So I just study things, and then eventually, try to warp it into a joke or a thought. What does it just float to the surface at some point if when you watch enough Does the joke congeal or the observation form just by itself? Yeah. III think so. It just it just kinda loads up to the top and and and it and it and it becomes something. Some of them are weird. I don't know. I mean, they're mostly just I I was walking my labradoor on the beach. And My my dog's very rambunctious and flirtatious and fun and outgoing and Bill ran into a guy and started jumping up on him and looking at me, you know, Phil's his big hundred and ten pound lab, and the guy loved everyone loves In a sexual way or just totally platonic. A totally platonic sort of way. And the guy just said to me It's alright. I was raised. I always was raised with labs. We had nothing but labs. And I is and I never said anything to him, but I thought to myself, you had a much better childhood than me. Like, that was my -- Yeah. -- that was my notion. And I was walking, and I thought, how do you like, how would we turn that into joke? You know? And then the joke would be if I said to him, you had a much better childhood than me. And he said, well, I don't think so because I was molest there, I'd go. Well, now it's a tie. And so this weird little interaction And I haven't told that joke on stage or anything. I just thought of it. Like, I I thought, you have these little interactions and you go, how would this turn into a joke? If you write the latest joke, I'll yes. I'll worklife, like, lab beach guy or something. And just just so it doesn't completely. She write the trigger down the joke out. She do you ever write out your whole set? No. III will I will If if something is going to be a joke, it it will find its own punchline is the way I I kind of feel. Like, and if you can't find a punch line for it, maybe it's not maybe it's not a good idea. You know, todays of felt that way. Like, if you had you have a premise for monologue. Right? Yes. And so you go, man, I have this idea for monologue, and I feel very strongly about it. And now I'm gonna sit down and bang it out. If you sit there for ten minutes and nothing's happening, that's not a good premise. exactly right. That's exactly right. Well, I have Really good premise, you can't write fast enough to keep up with that IT totally right. And that happens to me a lot when I get out of the when I get out of my cedar box Yeah. And I'll have I always keep I have a chair outside of it, or I sit and cool down and outdoor shower. And I often write down prompts for ideas that that came to me. I have the great advantage do not have of writing against sound. So we have an amazing group of producers who are pulling sound all day. You know, this press conference, we were doing a show tonight on, packed the Supreme Court, there was press conference and they pulled all the sound from it. So I'll get all the sound and you when you I I don't look at it, but I read the verbatim and you pivot against it and, like, lines immediately come to you. Right. Right. So that is it's exactly. It's just a built-in It's just a built in prompt. Right. So can always write against sound. And it's just like one of those things very easy, but it after twenty five years of doing it, it's a lot easier than it was. So In can we just go through the process? Like, you know, a day in of a time Yeah. I wake up usually by eight. I try to try and take it up too early. I live in a four hundred square foot pool house with my wife and two Spaniels, both elderly, one hundred and eleven, one hundred and fourteen. My wife wakes me up todays nice to me. She usually takes the dogs out. I get a cup of coffee, sit in the backyard for an hour, respond to texts, check the news. I get an overnight news digest which I love from one of our producers who's genius. And then You said you live in a four hundred square foot pool house? Yeah. It's kind of kinda weird. Yeah, we do. That is very weird. It is weird. Yeah. I know. What is that? don't know exactly, but I'm getting more monkish as I get older. don't really? Yes. I don't know what it is. Is there a main house? Yeah. There's a main house, but it's only it's got three bedrooms. We've got four children. So they're in there. Yeah. Well, they have been. Yeah. They have been. So you're in pool. We're in the pool. It's not a COVID thing. Oh, no. We're the opposite. I'm not even gonna get into our attitudes on COVID. Everyone in our families had COVID basically. My wife had COVID pretty bad and we took zero precautions and shared the same bed and Yeah. I was just reaching on her and never got it. So basically like You're basically like me. Yeah. I think what I mean. But anyway, the point is and then Eilif, it's a four hundred square foot house with you gotta understand when you tell people, especially somebody's is as successful as you are, you know, I wake up my four hundred square foot pool house and my elderly cocker spaniels at they think you're setting up a they think that's a joke. No. No. No. That's how we live. That's how you live. Oh Oh, yeah. I promise. I know. I believe I believe you. And then my wife comes back and we get coffee and we get back into bed for our executive meeting every morning, usually from nine to ten, someone from nine to ten thirty. And we go through the day and we just chat. Dogs are on the bed. Always dogs on the bed. And then I go over to my iPad and write out what I'd like to do for the day. And I try to get that in by eleven:thirty in the morning. Sometimes I am late and it gets in at noon, but, you know, I read an email Sometimes it's long. Yesterday, it was like seven hundred and fifty words. Let's hit these stories. Let's book these guests. Here's what I want the lead to be. And sometimes, like, lines in the lead will come to me, and I'll kind of begin to work it out in that email, which of course I save. And then I'm usually done by noon, I try in a normal life to take a couple hours off, go fishing, something like that, but I haven't been able to do that recently because there's been a lot going on. I do phone calls, I take Asana. And then at five, I start writing. Is it an hour in the summer? I do about twenty minutes cool down, go back. And this is ideal. I I take a song every single I never miss it. What Tim? I really prefer one eighty, one ninety, two hundred. In Maine, I have a wood fired sauna -- Mhmm. -- which I Obviously, it's a wood stove so I could really get it hot. And it's big. And here I have a very small sauna, it's four by four interior, and the stove, it gets too hot, the stove shorts out of kills me. Because so but I I try to get it to one eighty, and then I hit it with a lily. As I say in Finland, you know, you hit it with the water and steam rashes. Is the phone in there? Is there No. Gosh. No. No. No. No. It's too hot for the I like a hot sauna, like a hot dry filter. So that's that's that's thinking time. It's thinking time. It's like spiritual renewal. It's also I mean, everyone's got like cultural traditions, so I'll just admit that I'm Scandinavian. That's what we do. Mhmm. I have it. My son does it too, and we have it. He's twenty four. And we he believes that it's cheating to throw water on the rocks before you've already started sweating. You should get it hot enough to really sweat and then just blow yourself out of the water with it. But with the water. But I find the sun is, like, really an integral part. I mean, just silence and intensity and it's just Is there a way to capture thoughts if you're in there? Like, I'm I am I'm projecting here. What? Because I'm over fifty. I can't remember anything. No. Like, what I would do, if I was working on my big huge monologue -- Yeah. -- and I sadness on. I would sit there for four minutes trying to sort of free my mind of the ugly bounds. And then at some I'd go, Oh, I got a joke or I got at some point, I'd go, oh, I got a joke. Alright. I got this. Oh, I gotta be. Like, I have something. I got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I gotta I gotta jot it down because it's gonna it'll be gone by the time that the steam evaporates. You know? Well, actually, my son is hot enough that the thoughts stop at a certain point. Like, once you get around one hundred and eighty, you can't really think what you're doing is you're not thinking it's like a Buddhist exercise. You're just trying to get to, like, to get to clarity. Right. You know, and really the thinking happens in the shower. I have an outdoor shower. I mean, it's super simple. It's just bolted to the side of the house and I take a shower. And then all of a sudden, like, all of a sudden, it just it just comes to me. Right. And and then I trot back to my pool house, to my towel, It's also so stupid, but it really works. And then I filed the script and I get on my bicycle, and I ride to worklife I finish work, I get home, my wife is invariably in bed with the dogs reading her book. And and But I need an apple and I go to bed. No no cocktails, no TV, no I'm not a drinker anymore. I was a big drinker in, I quit 19 years I was a big drinker and I quit nineteen years ago. Probably won't be starting that won't be starting that again. It just didn't agree with me. I'm not against drinking everyone of my family drinks, but I I just didn't have the self control. And I realized as I got older that I'm more volatile than I thought I was -- Mhmm. -- and I think drinking just you know, creates volatility. And I just wasn't good at it. I could get terrible. Hangovers. I got couple fist fights and lost, you know, stuff like that. So I just thought maybe drinking is not for me. What how many pages does your opening monologue average? It's it's lengthy. I mean, it was twenty three pages on Monday. Twenty three pages. Yeah. Twenty three pages. But that was That was different. That was I worked on that on Sunday. I mean, I woke up Sunday morning and I just had it on my mind. I'm not normally like I really try and spend the weekend being normal, but I woke up at six thirty Sunday morning and, like, stood up, went and took a week in the garden as I do every morning. Does Oh, I'm a I'm a big proponent. Oh, of that. I tell everyone if you buy a house once a year, go take a leak on the lawn because that's homeownership. You know, you do that in apartment, you get arrested every single Every single day. Really believe in that. Anyway, so I I woke up and I and I had this, like, fully formed open in my head. So I as I and my I've lived with my wife for thirty years, so she knows. A lot of the time writing is just really painful. Mean, it's just horrible. It's it's extracting your own teeth. But there's that, you know, once a month when it just comes to you nearly fully formed and you you can't ignore yourself a roll with because they're not in charge of those impulses. And when they arise, like, that's my whole job. So everything else goes on hold. I'm sorry, I can't go anywhere, and I just sat down, and I wrote, like, two thousand words on Sunday afternoon just because it was already there. So why would I not Alright. It seems like there's a trajectory with you where you're you're sort of laugh about sort of becoming a Buddhist or something like that. But I mean, if if is it are you consciously trying to counteract this chosen profession in yours. Absolutely. It's it's it's a conscious What percentage Of people who have my job are of people who have my job are happy? Yeah. No. Like, right around zero in that range, So I'm not I'm not gonna do that. I have four children. I really like them mostly. No. It's a it's a it's a a I won't call it a battle or a struggle, even though I think we freaked out about becoming one of the many people I've worked with over the twenty. Right. Right. So we're miserable. They have broken personal lives. Right. Hate themselves. They're insecure. And I just I'm not gonna let that happen. I'm just not. So it's like you like like, you like woodworking. Yes, I do like that. Discussing, and I love woodworking as well. And if you had a job as a cabinet maker, then you'd probably come home at the end of the day, crack a beer and watch them sports center. Yes. But because you because your job is sort of cathartic and peaceful and not what your job is on right box television. So the, the, the saunas and the urinating on the shrub and the, in the bed with the, with the dogs and it is an outdoor So THE SANADES AND THE EURONATING ON THE SHRUB AND THE BED WITH the with the dogs and it it is an outdoor shower. These are all conscious attempts to sort of not let the insanity eat overtake you and eat your brain. I'm a fanatic about it. I'm a fanatic about it. And I'm very intentional about staying in touch with my children, my brother, my dad, my wife, the people I work with are And I'm very intentional about staying in touch with my children, my brother, my dad, my wife, the people I work with or people I sincerely love. Anyone who works for me would be welcome to stay at my house, almost all have. I mean, I I try to keep everything that's false untrustworthy threatening out of my world. I don't want that because there's already enough of it. And but more than anything you have to fight for simplicity and remind yourself as I do every single day of the year. You are going to die naked, terrified, and alone. Everybody is. That is the certain fact of life. And don't start thinking that you're not and don't become an egomaniac. Not because it's unattractive to be an egomaniac, but because it's unhappy, it's super not because It's unattractive to be nigger manic, but because it's unhappy. It's super unhappy. That is narcissism. And I've just seen it. I mean, I've done this I started going on TV in nineteen ninety five. So I don't know. I think that's twenty six years. It's a long time. I've known everybody in it. And I've really liked a lot of them. I really I knew Larry King very well, and I really, really liked Larry King. I learned a lot from Larry King. But and so I'm not, you know, pointing him out specifically, but I know them all. I really well. And I don't wanna be those people. At all, how many have happy men? How many When they get home, men in my job or job ish, get home in the, you know, that it's, like, happy to see the wife. Wife's happy to see them. I'm so proud of you. You're great. Give me, because, like, None. None. And that's what I want. That's what I want. And I didn't grow up. You know, I grew up in a non traditional you know, I grew up in a nontraditional family. And then when I was a kid, I remember thinking, I just want I just want a normal life and I have had one and I'm thankful and I protect it for real. Like, absolute and not just with guns, though, with guns, but in every other way. I I would need to take our last break we'll be right back with doctor Carlson. Well, let's take a quick break to talk about let's take a quick break to talk about Geico. Do you own, do you Do you own? Do you rent? You know, the story you do one or the other, You know the story? You do one or the other. Right? And then there's your auto policy. Well, how about you put them all together under one roof at GEICO? It's called bundling, and GEICO makes it easy. Save a bunch of Save a bunch of dough. And it's a good thing too, because they already have so much to do around your And it's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your house. So go to Geicocom dot com, get a quote, See, just how much you could save when you bundle at geico dot com. Alright. Back to Tucker Olsen. Yes. I've been saying and and it's been very amplified over the whole COVID thing, which is, you know, look, it sounds so obvious, but you've gotta walk, you've gotta get in nature, you've gotta do things. I'm gonna suggest something to you that I suggest to everyone, but I've never suggested to you. You have a pool house, but do you have a pool? do. You should get in that pool. I never do. You try to get the full tucker. Our house is built in nineteen sixty eight. It's never been updated. I've lived in them. But I live in the least a house of anybody. Is it freezing cold? Yes. We don't have a pool heater then get in the We don't have a pool heater than getting the pool. My my wife is very much a nature person and not a luxury person, and she doesn't like pool heaters, she doesn't like chlorine, so we have a cold salt water pool. Do you ever get in it? Never know what. Alright. Here's my challenge for you. Next time, I think you're going on the road after we after we wrap this up. But you do the sauna and you realize what the sauna does for you. Right? Yeah. You say, you know, at a hundred and eighty degrees, you don't need a steno pad because you you're not forming thaw here in some sort of clarity zone that that equals freedom. Breeze and cold swimming pools the exact same. It is essentially, it's the same as the sun. It's just, of course, it's the other direction. You know what I mean? The sun is hot, the pool is cold, but the effects are exactly the same. Barrier to entry so much higher. That's and So when you get an assault, it's embryonic. Right. Right? So that's like what we're all searching for is, you know, return -- Yeah. -- to the world. You That's getting into a snowbank. Yep. You're and that's where the the the real benefits lie. Really? The benefit, I think of the pool, you know, everyone always talks about sort of the benefits of cold in the healing. And then we see the LeBron James sits in a nice tub after a hard game. It's it's great physiologically. Recovery and it's just good for your joints. The the cold is physically very good for you, but I think is far outweighed by the the mental part, which is -- What do you mean? -- which is I so we took a well, because I think when you have money and you have a position and you have some status, it's a constant battle to sort of keep yourself grounded. Yeah. And and I don't mean grounded in, like, an awshucks kinda way. I just mean it, like, almost spiritually physically. Almost just around it. You know what I mean? You can have anything you want whenever you want it. You can call grub hub at any time of the night and they'll bring you your favorite fast can call Grubhub at any time of the night and they'll bring you your favorite fast food. How do you not fall prey to that? And I have found that imposing some misery on yourself is really importantly agree. And there's different forms that can come in But freezing cold water is a real form of misery. I do it and not only do I do it consistently, we flew out to Nashville yesterday before we came here. We had a flight leaving at seven AM AM. I went to bed kind of I went to bed kinda late maybe after midnight. I got up at six fifteen. It was dark outside and a little bit little bit drizzly. And I was like, I gotta leave for the airport in fifteen minutes, but I made the commitment to get in the pool every morning before. I left where I'm going. So I just went in the pool. Just swam underwater from one side of the next, live in the foothills, freezing cold outside. Well, first off, when you get out, you're awake. Yeah. That's the good news. Assuming you don't drown. You're right. If you make it, you're awake. And it's just part of a self imposed kind of Here's what Here's the promise you made to yourself. You're gonna do this every day. And I would say, hearing about your outdoor urination, your outdoor shower, and your sun, I think the cold dunk in the pool would be the icing on the cake of that ritual. I love the sound of that. I just am worried about having too many rituals. But as I said to my wife this weekend, I don't want to get too accent my wife's a little accent. Let's be honest. Wonderful person, my favorite person. But, you know, not a mean not fully mainstream. Midstream. And I said to her, I don't wanna be those, like, people, whoever and, like, kind of, our kids look at us sometimes, like, you know, you guys are really eccentric. And I always say, I don't think we're think we're totally, fully normal, and then they all tackle because they're, you know, III would think, well, do it once, stop anything. And by the way, it it takes thirty seconds. You just have to go in, get underwater, and come back up. There's nothing. There's nothing but that. I walk in the shallow end. I swim to the deep end, and I then go underwater, touch the drain. That's my rule. I have to get to the drain. And then I skim along the bottom and pop up on the shallow end and then I'm done. And it's it's all of fifty five seconds if if you want. Doesn't matter. Does it knock the wind out of you? Doesn't do anything. Once once it becomes what you do, then it's just what you do. There's now there's no Since I'm gonna try that. Right. I I'm telling you it's a it's a game changer. And also, I do feel like you and me to some degree, but you, especially, you somebody with a thyroid condition who doesn't wanna put weight on. So you have to be very careful and work harder and not eat, you know. And there's a bunch of people that look good in their underpants go any, whatever you want, dude, and you're going, no, I have to maintain that vigil because of your job. If you're a cabinet maker, you wouldn't have to maintain that vigil. Being a performer, host, professional talker getting paid a lot of money to give your opinions. I mean, that is the recipe to becoming an asshole. I mean, just one hundred percent And Bill Schein, who who kind of ran Fox day to day programming, whatever I He's president oneonone. He once said to me, so smart. He goes, what do you you? He was, he was president of Fox news at this he was oh, he's president Fox News at this point. And he said, what do you think my job is? And I said, I don't know. President Fox News? He's like, no, no, no. He's keeping millionaires from killing themselves. Like my job is shouldn't even say that out. But he did say that to me. And I thought, wow, that's a really heavy thing to say. You know, that they're meaning the people he employed. It's just something about being paid to give your opinions that makes you unhappy. And I and I thought I thought about it so much. And I really think It's narcissism is the trap. You know, people are really interested in me and what I'm saying and then you start thinking about yourself and how do I look and how are they viewing me and then you feel more in secure and the more you think about yourself, the more insecure you become, and the more miserable you are. Then no one can ever give you enough praise, then you look at your spouse, And after thirty years, your wife is probably not, like, kissing your ass every day because it's your Right? She's seen you in your underwear. And you're, like, wait, she's not really kissing my ass enough, and she's not I don't think she appreciates me. And then you resent your And then you resent your And then, like, my kids don't know all the things I do for them. And, you know, And you systematically alienate everyone in your and then you're alone feeling sorry for yourself. There is a I'm gonna read this to you. This is the last thing I'm gonna do. I'm I'm such a boar, but can't control myself. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who has advanced oral cancer. Okay? And I was texting with him because I I do most of my communication by text. And I said, my gosh, I feel so bad for you. You know, it's just awful. How are you feeling? Oh, oral cancer? Yeah. Good. I mean, come on. He's writing really chemo. He doesn't even respond, and he sends me the following poem. I'm not a huge poetry guy, but I do like it. This is by D. H. Lawrence, who wrote sons and lovers, Lady Chatterly's lover. Okay. It's called self pity. It's four lines long. Here's the poem. Quote, I never saw a wild thing, sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bow without ever having felt sorry for itself. Period, end of poem. Wow. What's the point? In the natural world? Self-pity doesn't self pity doesn't exist. Right. It's unique among humans. It's our burden and it is the locus of our destruction. Self pity is the key to destroying yourself. And I I read that and I thought, I don't know that there's a single time of My whole life that I've been unhappy that the root wasn't self pity. It's a hundred percent self pity. A small bird will drop dead, frozen from a bow without ever once having felt sorry for itself. Holy shit, Dave, George, you're a genius. Because that is true. And I wanna be like that bird. Docker. We should all aspire to be like a dead we should all aspire to be like dead bird. And with that, I want to give you a with that, I wanna give you a plug. I know you got Tucker Carlson todays. But today show as we call it. Yeah. It's on the Fox news. I I it's you have to download it. Right? Yeah. You gotta download it. Give it a plug. Thank you. Just go to fox nation dot com. It's long form interviews. Which you can't do in a live TV show for forty two minutes. But I think they're really interesting. 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