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Alright. In the first half, more

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racist cartoons from the old

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hustler and funny story behind that,

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Vinny torturous did the twelve hour

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Field reporter, sports reporter, Erin

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Cascarelli, is join us, and

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Tampa, Brian. In this house,

2:02

love is welcome.

2:04

It's the era of proclamations,

2:07

everybody. Alright. So

2:10

I went to Seth McFarlane's

2:12

birthday party over the weekend.

2:16

at a swanky sunset

2:18

Boulevard hotel. He that's

2:21

where he does it. Normally, has

2:23

the band playing the orchestra

2:25

This is David in the backyard,

2:26

big band, extravagant. Is that a Christmas

2:29

party? The Christmas

2:29

party is big and

2:32

star studded. This is more intimate

2:34

with the band as well. your guest

2:36

list. Smaller mangrove booth. Right.

2:38

And it's also most

2:41

a lot of employees and folks

2:43

that work on his various projects.

2:46

Write off. Yes. So

2:48

you see less recognizable people

2:51

but more interesting people, maybe when

2:53

you've talked to them and you find out that,

2:56

oh, yeah, I met Seth, when he was twenty

2:58

four, I was their first season of a

3:00

family guy and back in old place

3:02

on Laurel Canyon cross from

3:04

Galveston's -- Sure. -- now went

3:07

down a little closer to freeway, and I was

3:09

like, gosh, remember I went there and

3:11

me and Dorris Roberts recorded death

3:13

lives and blah blah blah. So

3:15

a walk down memory lane. But Speaking of

3:17

his old friends, I'll take a shot in the dark, was Walter

3:19

Murphy there? Mister Beethoven,

3:22

Walter Murphy, who does, like, the

3:24

the music, or did the music? I mean, he's

3:26

known him since, like, season one. I

3:29

don't know You remember, Fed the

3:31

beta of it. Oh, Fed the beta. Don't

3:33

don't do the the funky Cisco.

3:37

Oh, oh, that Walter Murphy. Yeah. That

3:39

guy's gotta be eighty. Maybe.

3:41

He was, yeah, when I met him, in the nineties,

3:44

he was, like, his fifties. Yeah. Sifties.

3:46

Yeah. Was yeah. He

3:48

did a seventies disco

3:51

version of Beethoven. When drugs are

3:53

big hit? Yeah. I don't

3:55

know. Okay. I don't know. But you're talking

3:57

about new, you know, sell for years.

3:59

Yeah. I did, but I I wasn't I

4:01

didn't recognize Walter but

4:03

I I talked to a few people Okay.

4:05

So one of the first guys

4:07

I I ran into was Jordan Rubin.

4:09

Jordan is a comic. He's

4:12

now direct and a writer and

4:14

he came on the show before to talk about

4:16

this killer beaver movie

4:18

and About a couple of years

4:20

ago. And worked with him in the Man show

4:22

all those years, and Jordan and

4:24

I always got along. And so

4:26

I was talking to Jordan, and then in Jordan,

4:29

was talking to another gentleman

4:31

a couple of years older than he,

4:34

and he was explaining

4:36

he introduced me to the guy, and he

4:38

the guy said, oh,

4:41

I came out here to Los Angeles

4:43

when I was, like, nineteen, my first

4:45

job Maybe twenty, my first

4:47

job was with hustler

4:49

magazine. Oh. And I

4:51

said, oh, hustler. And

4:54

I think he said I said, what what did you

4:56

do at hustler at twenty? And

4:58

he said, I did did

5:00

the cartoons. I said, I can charge

5:02

the that's part of the magazine. And I was

5:04

like, good, Jordan. You got

5:06

your phone out. Right? It's like, yep. I go,

5:08

just googling hustler

5:11

racist cartoons. And he

5:13

did the nail. He was like, oh my god.

5:15

And then I was like, this guy, this

5:18

was the this was

5:20

the Maestro. behind the

5:23

sentimentally of of

5:25

racism. This is the guy who

5:27

did that. And the guy's like, I didn't

5:29

I I didn't draw anything. I didn't have

5:31

it. You know? And so Jordan

5:34

was like, holy shit. Oh my god.

5:36

I've never seen something like this.

5:38

A shameful history. And

5:41

so as we discussed on this podcast

5:43

before, everyone

5:45

remembers hustler, but they forgot

5:47

the crazy racist cartoons. crazy.

5:50

We brought them to our attention to Yeah. We buried those

5:52

deep in our subconscious. And I remember

5:54

them very clearly. I

5:56

remember, one that isn't that racist,

5:58

but somewhat. Well,

5:59

the only reason I thought that you were

6:02

lying was because we know everywhere you

6:04

look, everything's raised everything's a

6:06

nail to you in your hammer. Well, it's it's

6:08

interesting because

6:10

when there was real racism,

6:12

you could spot it. Now

6:14

it's now it's just

6:16

you know, some female senator talking

6:19

about why as

6:21

powered cars are racist or something like that.

6:23

And you go, I I don't see COVID

6:25

is racist. Yes. COVID is racist. You know,

6:27

climate is racist. No. Climate is

6:29

racist. Like, it's like, Now I have

6:31

actual illustrations of a

6:33

giant cockroach mounting

6:36

a black woman and the

6:39

put upon husband coming home

6:41

from work, the black husband coming home

6:43

from work only to see her

6:46

black his black. Wife

6:48

who's being nailed by this giant

6:50

cockroach, you know, the lion. And that

6:52

and then the other one which always

6:54

made me laugh, which was all

6:57

it was was an illustration of

6:59

a white kind of black guy. wearing

7:02

basketball shoes with their

7:04

basketball trunks around their ankles.

7:06

It didn't go up higher than the waist,

7:08

and it just White guy had a

7:10

little penis, and it said Larry

7:12

Spurd. And then next to it, it said magic's

7:14

Johnson. Oh. And he had a huge dick

7:16

hanging down. That's good stuff. Yeah.

7:18

Good family fun. So I

7:21

so so Jordan started skimming

7:23

through this thing and he was like, oh, shit.

7:25

And I said, I had a recollection

7:28

of us looking it up a year and a half

7:30

ago, and it was difficult

7:32

to find this stuff on the Internet. And

7:34

he said, That's all here.

7:36

Yeah. I thought, you know, why

7:38

is it kinda hard for us to find any he's

7:40

just standing out on a patio eating a

7:42

pig in a blanket. and he just

7:44

sits all on his phone. Well, things have changed.

7:46

Uh-huh. That's The dam is broken.

7:48

That's that's what happened. And then

7:51

Comically, as the night

7:53

wore on, every time this guy

7:55

broke off to go talk to somebody, I

7:57

would then walk into the conversation. You

7:59

know what this No. You know, this guy

8:01

is. No. He's almost working. Yeah.

8:04

He had to laugh about it. My

8:06

bet. I assume. But So

8:09

we have we have some of some of these

8:12

newer ones. Newer ones.

8:14

Newer cartoon. Oh. Newer newly

8:16

founded upon earth. on

8:18

earth. On earth and --

8:20

Oh

8:21

my god. -- Jesus Christ.

8:24

Well, who would like to describe this?

8:26

12398 Right.

8:28

Hey. Go ahead. It's the just married

8:30

trope where, like, they're drive the happy couple is

8:32

driving off while with the in

8:35

this case, It's a

8:37

clan couple. They are wearing hoods and

8:39

being sent off by a whole bunch

8:41

of other clans and say, oh, fairly

8:43

well, just married in the back. dragging

8:45

behind, not cans, but two black

8:47

people. Yep. Two black dead

8:49

people. That was a really dead Jordan.

8:52

Jordan pulled up. And

8:53

-- No. -- oh my god.

8:56

Holy crap. Now he said What was

8:58

funny about Roland Hood? I I

9:00

can't feel like I get okay. But that's pretty

9:02

funny. This is fucking insane.

9:04

This is what the clan would do

9:07

if

9:07

they have procured it. So Kind of Vice

9:09

of the Baron. Vans. It's from the

9:12

dark web. we well, I'll tell you

9:14

what happened. So he was

9:16

pulling these up, and I'm showing it to him and going,

9:18

Jordan, that's what this guy was doing.

9:20

That's it. He came out to LA

9:22

to do this.

9:24

the Oh,

9:26

wow. Alright.

9:27

another one. Again, not that funny. Jane,

9:29

you're sharing. Okay.

9:29

What plans

9:32

then? Yeah. There's a car parked in

9:34

a really, really bad neighborhood,

9:36

really rundown, and

9:38

two kinda, I don't know, James

9:40

Spader from pretty and pink looking guys.

9:43

And then a bunch of Klansman surrounding the

9:45

car with baseball bats and

9:47

nooses and shotguns,

9:49

and it says, I never worry about

9:51

parking my car in this neighborhood. I

9:53

use the

9:54

club. And then

9:57

the there's

9:58

also black people scared peeling

10:00

out around corners

10:02

and logos and things

10:04

of that nature. So this is

10:06

what they would do. They would do, or do we have

10:08

one more? They're very we we have

10:10

six racist cuts.

10:11

There's one hiding in the Bodega

10:13

too. Yes.

10:15

Yes. Let's see. This

10:17

is let's see, Blackman

10:20

being arrested by cop covered

10:22

in Oh, I got you. Okay. I

10:24

see what So he just walks out of a

10:26

liquor store where he shot everybody. Well, liquor

10:29

store is full of dead bodies and blood

10:31

everywhere. That he presumably killed

10:33

Yeah. He's covered

10:35

and blood tissue. So he's being cuffed

10:37

by the police, and he says ouch,

10:39

ouch, hey, you're hurting my wrist. And

10:41

then some black odd lookers

10:43

are saying, hey, look, they're hurting his wrist.

10:45

Yeah, brutality. Well, he presumably

10:47

just

10:47

shot everyone inside. Right. So

10:49

the black man who killed everyone in liquor

10:52

store's word about his wrist. when he

10:54

slaughtered a bunch of white people. This is

10:56

from a salon. Davis, you let the

10:58

Braun help you get strewn

11:00

over the counter. Yes. Shut up.

11:03

This is from this is

11:04

truly from hustler magazine. I

11:06

know. Used

11:09

to hold them in such high regard.

11:11

something like fun like playboy comics

11:13

like fun and sexy.

11:14

Well, what I'm trying to explain

11:16

is this stuff doesn't go

11:18

back to the forties. this

11:20

stuff goes back to the eighties. Yeah. This

11:22

strikes me as kind of eighties. You know

11:24

what I thought? Well, in the in the

11:26

clan one, the guy's driving a

11:28

five point o convertible Mustang,

11:31

which was from the eighties.

11:33

So this isn't even into the

11:35

seventies. And the club didn't really come

11:37

around till nineteen eighties and

11:39

nineies. Yeah. Yes. Eighties, nineties.

11:41

Yeah. Later eight mid or mid or

11:43

later eighties, probably. Alright. Anyway, to

11:45

figure out This is a modern era stuff. Well,

11:47

so we can all figure out where the line is. I

11:49

think all three of us in this room can

11:51

we're all on the same page that this is fucking

11:54

insane and

11:55

horrific. Yeah. And you can say, you

11:57

know, hustler's not mainstream, but

11:59

it's main stream and that everyone knows

12:02

what it is, and it's on every newsstand

12:04

and every seven eleven, and

12:06

this is what's inside of it.

12:08

So we had a lot

12:10

more racism back there and

12:12

it was overt. And now we're

12:14

at a place where people are just explaining

12:16

you it's still there.

12:19

It's just not overt. And

12:21

my thing with that is is,

12:23

well then, It's my

12:25

arsonist argument. He's an arsonist in

12:27

his heart, but he's never struck a

12:29

match. And then my thing is, well, then I'm

12:31

not interested. because I don't

12:33

care how many arsonists in their

12:35

head. I I won't talk about

12:37

actual fire. And

12:38

all the people in this cartoon are

12:40

basically drawn,

12:40

like, fat out of her. Gross caricature.

12:43

Yes. This is disgusting and offensive,

12:45

Chris. We see the rest of the police. There's

12:47

more. There's more. This

12:49

is Oh, Jesus. Oh

12:51

my god. Okay. This

12:55

is two

12:55

black men who have been lynched

12:58

in adjacent trees, you

13:00

know, eight feet apart, and

13:02

they've been Fashioned, Fashioned,

13:05

shined into a hammock by

13:07

swinging their feet together and lashing

13:09

them together and a klansman's reading the

13:11

sports page. and

13:13

drinking a beer using the two

13:15

black men as a lynched

13:17

hammock. Holy

13:19

crap. Drew this shit. Well, we're

13:21

gonna find out. Now that's

13:23

pretty clever. There's a story.

13:25

fucking sick.

13:26

Now this guy alright. Stop

13:28

fainting me outright. No. No.

13:29

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

13:32

Because I'm trying to make your point when

13:34

and we say, I don't know. That's racist. That

13:36

sounds violent. That sounds intolerant. No.

13:38

You have no go find yourself an

13:40

old hustler comment if you wanna know what's

13:42

racist and violent. This

13:43

is marginally clever. Gina, can you read the

13:45

caption in in Minnesota Mon Voice?

13:50

Oh,

13:50

Howard. Looks like this area

13:52

has black bears. And that's the

13:54

two polar bears. The thing

13:57

saying that there are black bears down below. And

13:59

they're

13:59

tagging them. That's

13:59

right. Hanging the

14:02

rocks. Right. Alright, Robert.

14:04

Alright. So, look, some of them were

14:06

good. Now

14:08

I said, how did this

14:10

process work? He said, well, I would bring these

14:12

cartoons up to Larry Flynn's

14:14

office. Larry would sit there

14:16

with this big bodyguard behind

14:18

him. And then he said he would

14:20

never laugh. He just go thumbs

14:22

up or thumbs down. all you get to do is

14:24

approve or disapproved. And if they

14:26

approve, they go right into the

14:28

right into the magazine.

14:31

Not

14:32

the Maybe

14:33

in the director's cut of the people versus Larry

14:36

Flynn, but I don't remember this being

14:38

highlighted in the film. Biller's Form

14:40

and left on the cut of the floor. Were

14:42

there any black

14:42

models in hustler.

14:45

Hadoop. They're few far

14:47

between. If if they served a

14:49

purpose like an interracial lesbian,

14:52

memorial, something a little more nod in

14:54

than two ways. three months. Yes. I

14:56

doubt they acknowledge, like, February's

14:59

issue only. Alright.

15:01

So but what is the

15:03

story? Who who drew these? We

15:05

have two more? Yeah. If you want

15:07

to. Yeah. More than anything in the world.

15:09

Mhmm.

15:11

Alright. Okay. That's not me.

15:13

123 not it. Chris, anybody?

15:16

I can't read. It is a black

15:19

man and a white woman and

15:21

a guy. The priest says I

15:23

now pronounce you n word.

15:26

and white oh, sorry. And white trash.

15:28

Yes. I couldn't read it under this. She

15:30

can just be white. And she has

15:32

a fade that is absolutely mid

15:34

to late eighties.

15:35

Yeah. It's kid in play. Yeah. Yeah.

15:37

Yes. Alright. So this is this is well

15:39

into the eighties, everybody. Alright.

15:42

Last one, Chris. Oh, that was all sick. Oh, that

15:44

was all very nice. That was not me good. Alright.

15:46

It doesn't stop saying my name in a

15:48

second. It got worse than what

15:50

I'd originally laid out. My

15:51

page John Wright quaint

15:54

the

15:54

cockroach. Yes. Yes.

15:56

And then what our first batch? because they've

15:58

they've unearthed more of these.

16:00

Yes. Oh. And there's a new

16:02

or so. I said to Chris,

16:05

great it was great insult, by the way.

16:07

I said Jordan Rubin found this thing on

16:09

his phone, like, really fast. We were

16:11

searching and searching. What what

16:13

happened? What what's the difference? And the the

16:15

difference is the

16:17

artist who published

16:19

them? No. he

16:21

published new material --

16:23

No. -- and was selling it as

16:25

an NFT and

16:28

was wildly successful. untail.

16:30

Oh, no. It

16:33

came up in buffalo reserve. Somebody

16:35

found out about this. Yeah.

16:37

So what's that story? Yeah. So

16:39

after taking huge offensive about Jordan Rubin

16:42

finding these pictures way faster than

16:44

us, I looked into it. so, yeah,

16:46

within the last year, about a year ago,

16:48

this guy named George Trosley, he

16:51

created an NFT NFT project

16:53

with his son called Jungle Freaks. No

16:55

point. And were and it was it

16:57

was ten thousand generative

17:00

zombie ape n f t's. No. So the

17:02

zombie n f t's were real

17:04

popular in ape one for real popular. That's right.

17:06

Yeah. So the the collections sold

17:08

out on mint and was was a huge

17:10

success until Twitter and a lot of

17:12

people resurfaced some

17:14

of Rosley's old work from the seventies, which were

17:16

these cartoons. And not long

17:18

after these these cartoons resurfaced, the

17:23

the NFT collapsed basically

17:25

to about a fraction of its price.

17:27

So what what's interesting about this

17:30

is Elijah Wood was one of the guys who purchased

17:32

one of these NFTs. Uh-oh. He he

17:34

tweeted it, hey, just purchased NFT

17:36

artwork of a Golden Zombie bust.

17:39

and loving my Golden Zombie. Thank you,

17:41

Jungle Freaks, and then the cartoon

17:43

shows Golden Zombie

17:45

that he purchased. Well, everybody

17:48

tweeted at Elijah going, dude, this

17:50

guy's racist. This guy's been racist

17:52

and and shared all the stuff.

17:54

So Trosley's son who

17:56

refers himself as the prince.

17:58

Sure. He

17:58

went out and

17:59

here's his his explanation, quote, cartoons

18:02

my father, Drew, are terrible.

18:04

They are brought to light and there hasn't been

18:06

a better time to accept responsibility,

18:08

learn from it, and extend my sincerest apologies.

18:11

The Trosley family does not support

18:13

or condone racism,

18:15

i slash we apologize to

18:17

the holders of jungle freaks, our discord

18:20

community, and the world at large for having to

18:22

experience these past transgressions from

18:24

the nineteen seventies. But we thank the

18:27

community for bringing about a teachable

18:29

moment for myself and my

18:31

father. This was the culture Larry

18:33

Flint and Huxler published. IT WAS

18:35

INCorrect THEN AND IT'S INCorrect AND

18:37

NOW MY FATHER SHOULD NOT HAVE PARTICATED

18:39

IN THIS. YEAH,

18:40

I'M NOT ACCEPTED. IT WAS

18:43

STILL VERY and Elijah Wood ended

18:45

up selling the NFC. Had

18:47

a

18:47

loss. Yeah. So and and

18:49

here's what's what's next tweet.

18:52

After previously purchasing some NFTs

18:54

as well as being gifted one, I was made

18:56

aware of some of the artist's

18:58

prior disturbing cartoons. Upon

19:00

learning of this, I immediately sold the NFTs

19:02

as I wholly denounced any form

19:04

of racism, and then Elijah donated

19:07

the money to Black Lives

19:09

Matter and the legal defense fund for the n

19:11

double ACP It's got that lower the

19:13

ring's money? Yeah. That's a good PR move. That's

19:15

exactly what he needed to do. Alright.

19:17

So that's why there's a whole cache of these things

19:19

that are now out. a lot of sense.

19:21

People went digging. Home

19:23

sleuths. Yes. And found

19:25

found this. So but

19:27

I found the guy. Wow.

19:29

A complicated history. Yes.

19:32

And Say the least. And

19:34

it didn't it took me about three seconds

19:36

to get from. I worked for hustlers.

19:38

And hustler in the early eighties to me

19:40

getting to the cartoons, to Jordan getting to

19:42

the pictures. To ruining his night

19:44

and terrorizing him. Falling

19:47

around the party. Now he's a real nice

19:49

guy who was nineteen or twenty and

19:51

had no idea what what was

19:53

going on. but that

19:55

was that's the history of hustler.

19:57

Damn. Crazy. Right? Those

19:59

were wilder than you could

20:01

have described. Yeah. Because

20:02

it's not like, okay. I got it. Like, that's pretty

20:05

funny. We were it was just it was

20:06

Well,

20:07

bizarre. But back to

20:09

modern day. When I've said

20:11

there's

20:12

never been a better time to be an actual

20:14

racist. Like, when they say these

20:17

racist cartoon. You know, I was

20:19

like, okay. What what

20:21

what's not? What AOC are you gonna tell

20:23

me is problematic about something

20:25

from the nope. This is this is the

20:27

real deal, man. Alright.

20:30

Vinny Tordridge is on line one because he

20:32

went out and did the twelve hour

20:34

walk. I'm curious about that.

20:37

Vinny? Hey, man. How's it

20:39

going? Good. You

20:41

went out and did the twelve hour

20:43

walk? I

20:44

did. You know, it didn't take

20:46

much for me. I was listening. As soon

20:48

as I heard you talking about the guy, you didn't

20:50

even say the guy's name or what? Oh, Colin

20:53

O' Brady. Yeah. Because guys like me

20:55

follow guys like that. Right? And

20:57

I remember when he and Lewis Rod were doing

20:59

that back and think it

21:01

was twenty eighteen. I I don't I don't really

21:03

know. It was around twenty eighteen. I was still in

21:05

LA. And I was like, oh, great.

21:07

I I have to listen to that take a knee. That's

21:09

gonna be a great one. And then you went on

21:11

to say, you

21:13

know, he's telling people you should just walk out

21:15

of your front door and

21:17

and walk for twelve hours.

21:19

Now, that spoke to me

21:22

in volumes. And here's

21:24

why. I've been

21:27

laughed at at dinner for the past two years. My wife

21:29

brings this up all the time because

21:31

I keep saying I

21:33

want to walk out into my own

21:36

backyard set up a

21:38

tent and just stand a tent for two

21:40

or three days. And

21:42

everyone gets a kick out of that over dinner. And

21:44

it's like, why would you do that? You have the beautiful home

21:46

in this great neighborhood. Why would you do that?

21:48

It's like, I don't think you understand.

21:50

Well, she's gone to my flat.

21:53

You go on? She's got a real Serena's

21:55

down with

21:55

you out in the yard for a few days.

21:59

Well,

21:59

everybody thinks it's a joke. It's like, what's wrong

22:01

with you? And it's like,

22:03

Listen, every time I'm

22:05

on a mountain and I'm camping out

22:07

for days at a time,

22:09

I'm comfortable, I'm relaxed, there's no

22:11

cell phone. There's no electronics. There's no

22:14

nothing. And I'm never

22:17

happier. I know we think everything around

22:19

us make us happy, but every time

22:21

I'm on, mablanca, or even

22:23

out in Whitney, or quality,

22:25

or any of those things, I'm happy.

22:27

Right? And

22:29

then I started thinking to myself, why

22:31

do I have to go somewhere to

22:33

be that happy? I

22:35

have a backyard. I could just disconnect

22:38

and go sleep in one of these twelfth

22:40

tenths I have in my storage area,

22:42

in

22:42

my backyard. And then everybody brings up

22:44

the first question. Where where

22:46

are you gonna take a shit? Well, I have

22:49

modern plumbing. I'll come in my house

22:51

and take a dump and then walk

22:53

outside again. smart. Vinnie -- Right. --

22:55

I'm I'm gonna keep this going. Why don't you put

22:57

the canoe in your pool? Oh,

22:59

there you go. Get up in the morning and

23:01

go pay it off for

23:03

it.

23:04

Okay. I I know you're

23:06

making a joke on us on that. I

23:08

have I I'm not I mean,

23:11

sorta, So, well, listen,

23:13

back, you know, how do when you live

23:15

in Wilton Hills, you know, getting to

23:18

Mother's speech down in Venice takes a

23:20

while. Right? So

23:22

a lot of people who paddle

23:25

will put a boat in water -- Of course. --

23:27

attach it, you know, tether it to one

23:29

side, and you're actually when you think about

23:31

it, you you're pulling hard or doing

23:33

that than if you're out in the ocean. Right.

23:35

Oh, Heather. Sorry. I used to practice in

23:37

Woodland Hills. So the

23:39

walk the walk. The twelve

23:42

hour walk. So

23:44

I

23:44

heard about this about two in the afternoon, and

23:47

I had to tell someone. So

23:49

I wrote to Gina and I said Gina,

23:52

I'm walking for twelve hour slower.

23:54

You have to tell someone otherwise you may

23:56

not do it. Mhmm. And

23:59

Gina gave me a thumbs up. Someone

24:01

okay. So I got up at

24:03

four thirty, I breakfast, I

24:05

walked out the front door at a few minutes

24:07

of six, and I came back

24:10

at around six twenty in the evening. My

24:12

rules, you said make up any rules

24:14

you want. My rules

24:16

were zero electronics. and

24:20

I couldn't sit down. So

24:22

there was no setting the entire day. That

24:24

will not be my room. Puri.

24:26

and that's what I

24:29

did. I started walking. I learned

24:31

the entire city. I didn't

24:33

just walk in good neighborhoods. I walked

24:35

in bad neighborhoods. like in the car.

24:37

I wanted to see what the Say again, Brian? No. Do

24:38

you saw a cartoon about Bad Air Roads? Go

24:41

ahead. Yeah.

24:43

But you know, I tried to find the worst

24:45

neighborhood. And and I found out the worst neighborhoods

24:47

around there. It's better than

24:49

the best neighborhoods where I used to live in California.

24:51

Where we live? Yeah.

24:53

But the fight it

24:57

was an incredible day. No

24:59

electronics was the big takeaway. I

25:01

had songs in my head. part

25:04

of the time, and there were songs I've never listened

25:06

to. And

25:07

III could tell you four of them

25:09

right now. One was Jimmy Buffett's Coconut

25:12

Telegraph. I haven't heard that since

25:15

nineteen. Cool. Good to

25:17

yep. Yep. Good one.

25:19

It's Chuck

25:20

Barrys, you never can

25:22

tell.

25:22

Okay. hours. Mhmm.

25:25

Rod

25:26

Stewart's song, Kathleen

25:28

Audi, got stuck in my head for

25:30

way too long. And the

25:32

fourth one was the BG's more

25:35

than a woman. And

25:38

it was entertaining. And

25:40

I wrote notes along the

25:43

way. I had the fourth thought to take

25:45

a pen and paper. And while I

25:47

was walking, I was jot down

25:49

notes of of things that I thought of, ways I

25:51

can make myself better,

25:53

maybe stuff I could do for my

25:55

business, I tell I'm

25:57

telling everyone do this,

25:59

but

26:00

there's a caveat.

26:02

If you're not in shape,

26:04

get in shape first. My

26:08

baseline of fitness is I

26:10

can walk up Mount Whitney on

26:12

any given day, which is twenty two

26:14

miles round So if

26:17

you're not in that kind of shape,

26:19

work up to it. Do not just walk out

26:21

of your front door. You're gonna hurt yourself.

26:24

Really? So

26:24

Well, what about -- Yeah. -- what

26:27

about frequent rest stops

26:29

and, you know, you you said

26:32

no sitting was one of your

26:34

one of your caveats, but

26:36

if you just said you're allowed to

26:38

sit and rest every whenever

26:40

you feel like it.

26:42

Would that that would work,

26:44

I guess. I guess, if if someone wanted to

26:46

do Well, the the only reason I'm pushing back a little

26:48

bit here is because I feel like

26:51

everybody is looking for

26:53

a reason not to do something

26:56

at times. And if you add just a

26:58

little bit of barrier between

27:00

the action and what in

27:02

the preparation, then

27:04

you just lost eighty six percent of the

27:06

people who want to do this.

27:09

And Colin, it was Colin. Right?

27:11

Anyone speaking to? Yes. Scott Colin or

27:13

Brady. Yeah. Colin Colin

27:15

really and I I've I've gotten

27:17

into this with people a lot, and Vinny

27:19

does it. I'm self, I I believe, most of the time,

27:21

which is you're really stressed. There's

27:24

no reason why you can't

27:26

do this starting tomorrow kind of thing.

27:28

Whatever he said, stop,

27:30

rest, go into the liquor store, get a

27:32

water, walk out, you know, do

27:35

not create circumstances where

27:37

people will go. That's

27:39

too much. I couldn't I couldn't do

27:41

it. Yeah. You know

27:42

what I you you've

27:45

changed my mind. Wow. You're right.

27:47

Anyone anyone can do that. Did you

27:49

eat You you I

27:51

I took pretty much what Colin

27:53

took on his tip. I took

27:55

my product, ultra fat. I'm not here to do a math

27:57

for ultra fat, but I had

27:59

somewhere between four and six of

28:01

those throughout the day. and

28:03

I had I took a forty ounce bottle

28:05

of water and I put some ultra salt

28:08

mat, and that was pretty much it

28:10

I did. fill

28:12

up water. I did

28:14

one stop in a

28:17

coffee shop. It was the only time

28:19

I spoke all day. I said I would

28:21

like black coffee and I

28:23

noticed that you can pour your own water at the

28:25

other end of the coffee bar. and

28:27

I did that. I filled up my farthest answer

28:31

and that was it. So I had eighty ounces

28:33

of water turns out, I walked

28:35

around thirty I think

28:37

between thirty five and thirty seven miles

28:39

-- Yeah. -- across the whole You

28:41

text

28:41

asked me, and if memory serves, because the

28:43

number was so insane. because, you know, I do

28:45

a lot of things in steps. So it's my step count for

28:47

a day. He's like, so that's around seventy

28:49

five thousand steps.

28:51

Wow. And and you

28:53

didn't I mean, you could stop,

28:55

but not sit down. And where

28:57

else did your mind go? Did

28:59

it drudge up memories from

29:01

the past? I

29:03

thought about guys I played

29:05

college football with that

29:07

I haven't thought about

29:10

And you can always think

29:12

about the bumpy pressures and all the guys

29:14

that went on to other things.

29:16

But I thought about guys I knew in

29:18

college, I thought about guys and your

29:20

childhood, you dredge up a lot of

29:22

stuff, man, it's so

29:24

cathartic, and I didn't think it would be

29:26

this way. You think about about

29:28

things you did to other kids when you were a kid

29:31

-- Mhmm.

29:31

-- that I

29:32

I was thinking

29:33

of stuff and I was like, man, I wish I could

29:35

find that kid and apologize. type

29:37

stuff. That that was a lot of that going on for

29:40

me. Yeah. I I

29:42

mean, when is the last

29:44

time anyone who's

29:45

been left alone with their thoughts

29:48

for forget about twelve hours. How about

29:50

two hours? Minus sleep

29:53

-- Yeah. -- away. You know what I mean? In in this this

29:56

modern world, I mean, the you get

29:58

delayed at an airport for two hours, you

30:00

start running for the

30:02

new stand, you start running for the

30:04

bar, where who's got a game

30:06

on. You you know what I mean? And

30:08

it every once in a while, you

30:10

do get sort of trapped Usually by

30:12

mistake, something happens. The car doesn't

30:14

start or something you find yourself having to walk

30:16

somewhere or your phone runs out of

30:18

battery or some how you're

30:20

stripped of something. And almost immediately,

30:22

you start going into these better

30:24

and more interesting places, but somehow

30:26

we won't tolerate it. So

30:29

we, Vinnie, we did a little poll

30:32

around here, and I think everyone's gonna have to

30:34

commit to a date. because I think the only

30:36

way to do this is commit to

30:38

a date and then tell some well,

30:40

just tell Gina. Yeah. You have to tell

30:42

other people. Well, I

30:43

told you I have two dates on the calendar. If

30:46

it's If it's cool enough weather,

30:48

I'm doing it November twelfth. If it's not,

30:50

I'm doing it December tenth. I

30:51

gotta look at well, Chris probably

30:54

has my calendar. on there. We have the

30:56

poll of folks who work in

30:58

here. Yeah. We did the

31:00

staff poll here. A lot of yeses, some

31:02

know. So the yeses are

31:04

me byron,

31:05

Emmy,

31:06

amy Ritchie,

31:07

Adam at Chassis,

31:10

and

31:10

that's it. And then the nose are

31:13

Ben,

31:13

Gary, And

31:14

I soft no. I don't know what that

31:17

means. Well, Dawson wanted to do

31:19

it. I just can't. I I

31:21

don't think I really don't think I can

31:23

fucking disappear for twelve hours. I

31:25

just there's too much

31:26

going on. Why, Dawson? Why

31:29

not? the

31:29

the amount

31:32

of

31:32

work that I have to do

31:34

every day and my dogs

31:37

and It's

31:39

just

31:39

III just I don't think I can make

31:41

it happen. I'd like to. You can't get a

31:44

friend. If I flew out there and wiped the dog

31:46

for you, we could do it? He would

31:48

do that. Yeah.

31:49

I don't know. Alright. Here's the rule. Here's

31:51

the rule with everything. Dawson,

31:53

I give it

31:54

ten thousand dollars if you can find the Total

31:56

deal is. Alright. Well, that's

31:58

the rule for cleaning your garage, and

32:01

we're walking for twelve hours. If someone goes, I

32:03

gotta check for ten if the answer's,

32:05

I shall figure that one out. The

32:07

amount of work I can get done

32:09

in twelve hours greatly

32:11

eclipses in my opinion

32:14

the what I'm going to get out

32:16

of disappearing for twelve

32:18

hours. Wow. My my

32:18

yes. Mike, hang on.

32:21

Adam asked me what I got from this.

32:24

I'm telling you the biggest

32:27

takeaway is I

32:28

never thought as much as I

32:31

don't I've never played a game on my phone or anything like that. I

32:33

only use my phone for work. My

32:35

new takeaway is once a week

32:37

for twenty four hours,

32:39

I'm shutting off all communications

32:42

with everyone. I can still

32:44

watch television with my wife, but I won't

32:46

I won't use a a cell phone

32:49

or a computer or any of that

32:51

stuff. I'm doing that once a week. Exactly.

32:53

It's a new thing. You have

32:55

to be able to do it. See, III

32:58

ditched my phone every weekend

33:01

anyway.

33:01

I spent at least twenty four hours

33:03

away from it. Alright. But, Dawson, your first question

33:06

was, can I smoke while I'm doing this?

33:08

Yeah. It sounds

33:10

a little spurious here. your

33:13

excuses. Look, nobody wants to do it. There's

33:15

no there's no doubt about it, but

33:17

there are many things we don't wanna do

33:19

that turn out to be life

33:21

changing and pretty good. My only

33:22

caveat is I'm going to a better

33:25

neighborhood.

33:25

Did you I Vinnie,

33:28

did you cross some of the

33:30

same areas, or did you just

33:32

go in completely into new areas,

33:34

or did you do some laps around the

33:36

same block? No,

33:38

I I walked different

33:40

areas because I'm moved to this town

33:42

right when COVID happened.

33:45

And you know, I live near

33:47

UVA. So I really got to

33:49

know the campus. There's

33:51

a few hills. You know, I did some else. Yeah.

33:53

I probably got five

33:55

thousand, six thousand feet in because

33:57

I knew where some local mountains are because I

33:59

go on my

33:59

mountain bike and hike them and

34:02

everything else. So I did those

34:04

sometimes twice. So any looping

34:06

was done on the mountain just so I can go uphill

34:08

and come downhill. So I

34:10

did a couple of those The

34:12

only time

34:13

I really saw people was this is downtown

34:15

mall, and I walked

34:17

down the mall. and there

34:19

were people. That's where I got the coffee. I

34:22

knew that was a really good coffee shop

34:24

there. So – but

34:26

no, I didn't cross areas twice.

34:28

I just And a lot of I

34:30

purpose. Like I went down the road, I

34:32

had never gone down and

34:34

just found

34:36

new areas. just all

34:37

the way around. So I

34:40

I suggest this to everyone.

34:42

I really do. And unless and

34:44

this is coming from you who has done this, a

34:46

version of this many times,

34:48

this plus with, you know, ultra

34:51

endurance marathons and and thanks to that nature.

34:53

Let me clarify that. How this was

34:56

different? For every

34:57

training and look, I've been

34:59

on the bike training for twenty four

35:02

hours. I've always had books on

35:04

audio. I've always had music on

35:06

top of

35:08

music back in the days of MP3 players,

35:10

I would

35:10

have gone nuts

35:11

if I didn't have enough piggyback

35:14

batteries to plug into

35:16

the MP3 to keep them going through the night. I would have

35:18

people ride with me through the night. So

35:20

friends of mine would come out for the

35:22

nighttime hours

35:24

and meet me. Just to ride,

35:26

I can have. Even in races,

35:28

in in thirty six and forty hour

35:30

races where I'm on the bike non

35:34

stop, at three

35:34

in the morning when I'm falling asleep on the bike, I would have

35:36

my cruise van come up next to me

35:38

and I would

35:39

tell VIMGEL you know, just like

35:42

yuck yuck jokes like, you know, a

35:44

rabbi and a and a Yeah. Like,

35:46

from a from a hospital. Right? We just like We've

35:48

seen a we've seen your stuff. yeah, but

35:50

this was different because you

35:52

didn't have those

35:53

distractions. Howard Bauchner:zero,

35:56

you your left you would

35:58

be shocked at what happens when you're left with

36:01

your own thoughts. Well, that's

36:03

all I'm

36:03

gonna say. Many For

36:05

that, you should get a plug beyond Impossible.

36:07

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36:10

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36:12

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36:14

birthday party, a delectable

36:18

tray of

36:20

slider hamburgers came

36:23

by. My group sort of stood

36:25

up, started oh, yeah. Like,

36:27

started moving toward, you

36:30

know, there's some horseshoe where you move you move toward the

36:32

trade before it gets cleaned down. It

36:34

was announced that these were

36:36

impossible burgers Everyone

36:38

went back and sat down. And then ten minutes later,

36:41

the real burgers came out and the

36:43

same people got up and

36:45

devoured those. So you

36:47

know, there's there's There's no smoke

36:50

and hope for the universe. Thanks,

36:52

Minnie. I I appreciate you being

36:54

our canary in the

36:56

coal mine. god bless Vinnie. Of course, he was the first one to do it. Of

36:58

course. The next day. He

36:59

was already doing it,

37:00

but he's listening. Yeah. That's interesting.

37:02

Alright. I I suggest it.

37:05

I suggest everyone try that. Chris, I we

37:08

gotta look at my calendar. I don't know what dates.

37:10

Yeah. And what's the Look at

37:12

your calendar now as soon. Well,

37:14

what's I'm looking at the thing. I don't know if I have every single one of your dates on

37:16

on Alright. Well, I'm looking up at my calendar.

37:18

We got San Diego this coming

37:20

up this weekend, Mike Trump comedy.

37:24

Oh, got nothing first. That's Christmas party.

37:28

Alright. I'm going to that. I'm told there's a

37:30

screen, an outdoor screen that now

37:32

comes from

37:34

the ground. and comes up. So we'll, like,

37:36

experience the majesty of that. Well, you could probably do

37:38

November twelfth too. I

37:38

don't see anything up on the calendar. Should we

37:41

do it

37:41

the same day? Is

37:43

that a It's not a

37:44

heat wave. That's my day I'm doing. Is that

37:46

a Saturday? Yeah. Alright?

37:48

November twelfth?

37:49

Yes. Alright. Let's put that --

37:51

Got it. -- on the calendar. Alright.

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40:00

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40:02

movie this famous line

40:04

is from. he

40:06

hate this king. If

40:08

they're away from the

40:10

kings. If

40:14

you said, the

40:14

jerk. He hates these

40:15

cans. Stay away from the

40:18

cans. You're

40:20

correct.

40:22

Now, back to the show. Brian, you

40:24

look like

40:24

you got that one? Yeah. I did not. I knew

40:26

what he was saying. I didn't know what it was from. So held

40:28

on my finger like, God, you shoot the cans.

40:31

Erin Castarelli is here. She

40:34

has podcast. Entertain her

40:36

available on podcast ones. as

40:40

well and where we get finer

40:42

podcasts. Sports, sports, and

40:44

more sports, but not this

40:46

podcast or not that podcast. Yeah. We we

40:47

deep dive women just

40:50

tackling all kinds of different

40:52

industries, overcoming issues with

40:54

mental health and

40:56

competition. There's I mean, we deep dive

40:58

a lot of topics. Tom Brady. We talk about Tom Brady. So there's some sports in there, but

41:00

it's a lot more female centered.

41:04

Right. As a sports broadcaster

41:06

in my specific industry, there's an

41:08

actress, a comedian, a

41:10

fashion designer, and we don't always get along.

41:12

So it's isn't interesting.

41:14

I

41:14

was talking about Tom Brady with a

41:16

guy who's a big New

41:18

England sports fan and very smart

41:20

knows a lot about this stuff and

41:23

he was talking well, for instance, I

41:25

think he was mentioning, like, remember deflate

41:27

gate where his phone just sort of

41:29

went missing? It got

41:31

destroyed, didn't it? It's just somehow miraculously

41:33

disappeared. Oh, yeah. It went missing

41:36

MIA. Yeah. But

41:38

here

41:39

was his take. And

41:41

then if we're all truthful, I think we might be on the

41:43

same page, which is if somebody said, I'm

41:45

gonna accuse you

41:48

of shoplifting Give me your

41:50

phone. There may be other

41:52

felonies on that phone that's

41:54

not pertain to this shop listing.

41:56

This is a four game

41:58

suspension. You know what I mean?

42:00

But if you're carrying on with some

42:02

ladies or you got God knows what

42:04

on that phone, who or who just

42:06

in general would just be

42:08

comfortable whenever, you know, would it

42:10

work? Groden and and leaks

42:12

and emails. I mean, is there such thing

42:14

as you handing over a device and

42:16

someone saying I'm going to strictly focus

42:18

on this one subject? Or

42:22

is it anything goes now. Like, whatever's on this phone. Yeah. I

42:24

hold that up as a paradigm of my

42:26

virtue. I hand my phone over to Gina all the time,

42:28

and that

42:29

does have It's true. I did

42:31

make my husband my legacy contact on so we're in the clear.

42:33

I would hand Gina

42:34

my phone, but I wouldn't

42:37

hand some guy wanted to

42:39

look for everything on that point. That's fair. Yeah. So

42:42

Tom Brady

42:44

thoughts. in terms of

42:46

how he's navigating this

42:48

crazy. It's weird that

42:49

it it feels weird to everyone

42:51

that he's getting divorced

42:54

over his job. Do you

42:55

think he's happy? Do you think though, like, weird? I don't think that that's weird.

42:57

I think that Jizelle has needs. And

43:00

if she and

43:02

him, I And I say this

43:04

with utmost respect to

43:06

their relationship because we're all at the end of the day

43:08

speculating. We're not inside the four walls

43:10

of their life. But if she had a conversation

43:13

with him at forty five years old

43:15

and they said, I'm retiring, I'm hanging it

43:17

up, and he lasted forty

43:19

days and said, Sorry. This isn't for me. For

43:21

whatever reason. Yeah. I'd be a little upset. I'd be

43:23

a little upset. I'm

43:24

not saying that Tom Brady's

43:26

in the wrong either. It's

43:29

just for are some of the conversations we have on

43:31

the podcast. It's like, where what is your

43:34

relationship to your job? I mean,

43:36

he's forty five. He's can get

43:38

seriously injured. HE'S LOSING

43:40

TIME WITH HIS thirteen YEAR OLD SON

43:42

AND EVERYONE HAS

43:43

A JOB. Reporter: I MEAN,

43:45

HE COMPARED HIS JOB TO GETTING INTO

43:47

THE MILITARY AND DEPLOYMENT. Yeah.

43:49

I

43:49

mean, he's he's very

43:52

fanatical about it. But let's let's put

43:54

it to you this way. He's

43:56

forty five. Second

43:57

only, I

43:58

don't know, George Bland, I

44:00

played to lose fifty or fifty one or

44:02

something. There is no such thing as

44:05

an NFL player passed the midway part part of their forties or

44:07

even into their forties in this day and age.

44:10

Right. So let alone a quarterback. Let

44:12

alone a

44:14

quarterback explain, up until recently playing really well. As well as he's playing.

44:16

So if I am really in

44:18

love with somebody and we

44:20

have a good relationship and I want

44:22

you to stop doing this thing

44:24

because it's taking you away from

44:26

it. What is the over

44:28

under? Nineteen months? I mean, you know what

44:30

I mean? Like, once when there's some

44:32

business not, no one really I've

44:34

never thought about this, but everyone said,

44:36

they're like guys that are business guys and they

44:38

just can't get out of the game. and they're taking

44:40

that into their eighties and they're still

44:42

going on vacation with their phone because

44:44

they're buying stock and so

44:47

he

44:47

could not possibly go more than

44:49

two more years at this

44:51

job. Absolutely agree. Three maybe.

44:53

Two more. So For sure. If I'm in

44:55

love with Gina, and Gina's got some job that is keeping

44:57

her away from me, but I know there's no such thing as her

44:59

doing that job past two more years

45:02

from now. Mhmm. I

45:04

could probably probably

45:06

-- Hang on. -- hang on. Yeah. If we have a good relationship. But

45:08

it's interesting when you put

45:09

it the way you put it, which

45:11

was he retired

45:14

for a month and ten days and said fuck this. Yeah. I'm going back to

45:16

work. So it could be an underlying other

45:18

issue. And and I empathize

45:21

with Tom Brady. And I think that that's

45:23

why we it's a deeper thing than

45:25

just him playing ball.

45:28

Right? Like, I believe this is still him,

45:30

perhaps again, speculating that

45:32

six round graphic story. That

45:33

Bill Ballet check relationship who was

45:36

moving on

45:38

and he was giving up so much of his contract to keep the team

45:40

together. I look,

45:42

no doubt Tom Brady

45:46

can sling the ball. No doubt that he can still play at such a high

45:48

level at forty five years old.

45:51

But at what level

45:53

is he willing to sacrifice all of

45:55

the other things? And when we have

45:57

an identity issue, like for

45:59

me,

45:59

I can't to cypher between Aaron. Who's Aaron? And who's the

46:02

sports broadcaster? Because it's very

46:04

sexy to say, I'm Aaron

46:06

Costsquarely, the

46:08

sports broadcaster. And do I think

46:10

that that's what's going on with Tom? I kinda think so. Yeah. Question for air.

46:12

But

46:12

either way, it's a job. Everyone

46:16

has jobs. they last until

46:18

sixty five or seventy.

46:20

Just feels like it's gotta

46:22

be more here than the child part.

46:24

With

46:24

the family. And if agreement

46:26

that he had with Giselle. Then that's

46:28

the agreement

46:28

he had with Giselle. What it's not

46:30

what it's not how you mean? I mean,

46:33

that's in his x amount of months, but it's not

46:35

year round. Him being

46:37

home, I was having this conversation

46:38

with the guy that produced somber time

46:41

because this is a conversation that I think is is deeper

46:43

than just Tom playing football. I think that we

46:45

all have a bit of what Tom has,

46:48

which is my addiction to my work. I have an addiction. I have a

46:50

workaholism where I love my

46:52

job. And am I avoiding

46:54

things by going to work? Because

46:56

it feels you know, exciting

46:58

to be at work and the access, the athletes,

47:00

the places you get

47:02

to go. You know, is that

47:04

what's going on with him? I'm

47:06

I'm not sure. But, like, they had a conversation, you know, and the guy that

47:08

was producing Tom versus Tom said that

47:10

after each game, he's watching eight hours

47:12

of film. Now,

47:14

could Tom get away with four hours of film? Probably.

47:16

Yeah. So, I

47:17

don't, you

47:18

know, but we're seeing

47:20

this play out in real life.

47:22

in front

47:23

of millions of fans and everybody has a comment and a thought on it. And

47:25

it's hard. You know, like, I loved I think Tom

47:27

Brady is great. I don't wanna

47:30

see I I was sad when he retired last season. And I was selfishly

47:32

happy when he came back forty days

47:34

later. But, like, he still has kids

47:38

to raise And by the way, what is he

47:40

teaching the kids? Who knows? You know, it's hard to speculate. But how much

47:42

of this is exacerbated

47:44

or whatever,

47:46

supercharged by the sort

47:48

of, I guess, now kind of confirmed

47:50

story that Tom was initially

47:52

going to retire or or or buy a part of the dolphins

47:54

and maybe play for them. I mean,

47:56

that's a sell to Jazelle. Right? Hey,

47:58

baby. We're gonna live in Miami. We're

48:02

gonna get a house in Miami. We're part part owners on a team with

48:04

whoever else is on the ownership group. And

48:06

that fell apart. How much of this

48:09

is sort of fallout of

48:10

that. You know, I don't know, but Adam made a point of, like,

48:12

people working till they're in their seventies, but

48:14

they're not working in getting their

48:18

smashed. Right?

48:18

Yeah. But everybody in the NFL has

48:20

that yanking over there. But they're not all working

48:22

until

48:22

they're forty five. Like, he could get seriously

48:24

injured and then what happens? you

48:27

know, then Jazelle look, she has a

48:29

a reason to be concerned. I don't

48:31

I don't I'm sorry for pushing back on every

48:33

-- Yeah. -- your points. I love it.

48:35

I love it. Tom, Tom's

48:37

had a knee injury,

48:40

but it has not been riddled with

48:42

injuries. That same argument can

48:44

be made for any married person

48:46

who plays on Sunday. What about their

48:48

wife? What if they're

48:50

permanently injured? And they don't have

48:51

millions of dollars to call back. Well,

48:53

it's

48:53

everyone on the on

48:55

the field. you know, I mean, there's a chance he

48:57

can get hurt. There's a chance everyone can

48:59

get hurt. That that's the business he's

49:01

been in for

49:04

thirty years. Well,

49:04

he's also in the business of recovery and it's very

49:06

elusive and attractive and appealing to

49:08

play the game like he's playing

49:10

because it actually helps his business.

49:13

Yeah. Right? He's selling I'm just

49:15

saying recovery and I

49:17

the the notion, you know, I had a dad

49:19

who never left the house but didn't raise

49:22

his kids. while he was at that house. You know what I mean? Say that

49:24

again. My dad was at the house all the time,

49:26

but didn't do a good job raising his

49:28

kids. But see, there

49:29

you go. and like how

49:32

much therapy have you

49:34

needed? Because your dad was in a house but

49:36

didn't do a good job raising money. did versus

49:37

dating. Well,

49:40

that's what. The but the put first off, it's like he

49:42

has kids. Everybody who

49:44

travels, who has a business,

49:46

who's out you know, getting their

49:48

hustle on, trying to build their own

49:50

brand, or going back and forth at New

49:52

York or Tokyo or something is a

49:54

way from

49:56

their kids. you know, this thing where it's like he's not there for his

49:58

kids, feels

49:59

spurious a little bit. But I think the other thing

50:01

that sets them

50:04

apart from ninety-nine point nine percent of the rest of the people in the world is they

50:06

don't have to work. So just tell us by, like, I'm

50:08

worth hundreds of millions of dollars. You're worth

50:10

hundreds of millions of dollars. When do

50:12

we just to, like, do our thing and have fun with you and really be

50:14

here. I'm not trying to put anyone I

50:16

don't we don't know the dynamics of their

50:19

agreement that they had. Maybe

50:21

she's terrified. I mean, remember he did say he

50:23

was gonna play until he

50:24

was fifty. Yeah. But and I

50:27

don't know if he can or or

50:29

would. He's not having fantastic season this year,

50:31

but I still argue that if

50:33

their relationship didn't have a

50:35

bunch of other moving

50:38

parts that weren't going in the right

50:40

direction, that it was simply

50:42

about him

50:44

not retiring, with

50:46

retiring, looming in the next

50:48

year, two, three years,

50:50

Sertamax, I think most

50:52

peep most couples would stay together

50:54

if that was the issue.

50:56

I feel like there's probably other

50:58

issues that we're unaware of.

51:00

And we've all talked about retirement

51:03

or him playing football, and I

51:05

suspect there's more. Well, to

51:06

do it in front of millions of

51:08

people, and Jazelle, we don't know, but could

51:11

have said, hey, you're sure. Right? Yes. I'm sure, honey. I'm

51:13

gonna go home and we're gonna, you know, do the

51:15

fun thing that Gina was saying. And then he

51:17

chooses not to maybe

51:20

she felt like,

51:20

that was a promise broken and she's like, I'm good with

51:22

this. Like, I've done this for how long,

51:25

however long they've been married. twelve

51:27

years. I

51:27

don't know. On time, together.

51:30

But

51:30

this is an issue with athletes in

51:32

general in terms of mental health. That

51:35

they are not individual that they are

51:37

the the guy that puts the, you know,

51:39

the helmet on. And that's

51:41

the conversation that I think is

51:43

really interesting because Aaron

51:46

Rogers tapped in and opened that

51:48

conversation up. He used the word

51:50

gentle

51:51

and compassion when he

51:53

discussed Ayahuasca. Mhmm. We're not talk but that's

51:55

never been discussed before.

51:58

Players

51:59

saying,

51:59

like, that's sort of thing openly and I think it's opening the It

52:02

is kicking the door open about mental

52:04

health and sports performance. And

52:07

I think, like, Pete, Kara, I love his

52:09

philosophy about how it's it's the process.

52:12

It's not and and the NFL is

52:14

results driven. If

52:16

you're not getting if you're a coach and you've been hired, you're

52:18

fired within a year or two maybe

52:20

if you have a losing season.

52:24

So this is a results driven industry that is

52:26

a process driven process

52:28

in terms of, like, I feel

52:31

you can't think about the outcome because that's the death of

52:33

the process. And that is the thing I hear the

52:35

most from retired

52:38

athletes is what is

52:39

the thing you wish you did differently in

52:41

your career? They always say to me, I

52:43

wish I had more fun.

52:46

Mhmm. Because we're always to win. And if we're

52:48

not winning, we're losers. Howard

52:50

Bauchner:

52:50

Yeah. Although,

52:52

you know, I always sort of translate

52:54

a lot of the stuff to my old

52:56

world, which is just a blue collar

52:58

sort of building world. And,

53:00

you know, roofers don't have fun

53:03

to just go to work. That's not the same song. There's a

53:05

whole group of people.

53:07

People. Got that. There's

53:10

a whole group of Americans. There are there

53:12

are all the people you pass when you're driving into

53:14

the place of work that

53:17

doesn't fulfill you. as much as you'd

53:19

like. All the people scaffolding with cinder blocks and up on the

53:22

roof and, like, pushing lawnmowers, they're

53:24

not having fun. Are you

53:26

having fun? I don't look

53:28

at it as fun. I won't

53:30

park. But you also don't look at his work. I

53:32

don't look at his work. I I

53:34

don't look at his work or

53:36

or fun. just look at it as what I what I do. But

53:38

you you do it because there's

53:39

a part of you that loves it. And there's

53:41

something that is passion driven

53:43

for you. Yeah. roofers may

53:45

not be passionate, but for whatever reason

53:48

that's the career they chose.

53:49

Well, it it kinda chooses you

53:51

and those those kinda jobs.

53:53

That's that's what I'm saying. I'm just

53:56

saying, you know, like when people

53:58

say, it's, you know, from Major

54:00

League Sports,

54:02

they when you stop having fun out there, that's when you

54:04

gotta hang it up. And my thing is

54:06

is you could get sixteen point

54:08

seven million dollars

54:10

a year baseball player and not enjoy

54:12

yourself. like a lot of fun. Yeah. Pain a

54:14

smile on your face and can't

54:16

hammer check and then then go buy

54:18

a ski

54:20

boat. and turn off season, have some fun.

54:22

That's that's all I'm saying.

54:23

But you do

54:24

your job because you

54:27

are passionate about it. And

54:30

if you weren't passionate about

54:32

it, I would III

54:34

questioned whether you would come into

54:36

this this No. I would

54:37

come in to get paid. Okay.

54:40

Well,

54:40

then that opens the door to going,

54:42

is life

54:42

all about making money?

54:45

No. No.

54:45

A portion of it is about making money,

54:47

so then you can go do stuff you

54:50

wanna do. You've

54:51

created and etched out a

54:53

beautiful career. Like, you could go retire tomorrow

54:55

and have lots of fun.

54:57

I couldn't

54:57

live how I'd like to live,

55:00

though. Like -- Okay. -- I couldn't go

55:02

do a lot of the things I'd probably like

55:04

to do. I mean, the jewel kind

55:06

of is fun. Car racing Frozen. Yeah.

55:08

It's kinda expensive. I mean, III

55:10

know. I mean, look, I'm not gonna argue

55:12

with you too much. There's a version

55:14

of that I could do. I don't really look at this work per

55:16

se, but I have the

55:19

fortunate and unfortunate past

55:24

of doing real work for

55:26

way too long to

55:28

really ever look at sitting in air

55:30

conditioning and talking to you

55:32

is work. You know what I'm saying? Right. And I I do

55:34

bigger picture. I do worry

55:36

that our kids aren't gonna get

55:38

that base. anymore of,

55:40

like, I know what it's like

55:42

to work, you know, to

55:44

actually go somewhere I don't

55:46

wanna go. which gives you some

55:48

context and going somewhere

55:50

you do wanna go. I just think we

55:51

have to define what life should

55:54

be. I agree with you

55:56

like kids Nowadays, right? I don't know. I don't have kids, but are

55:58

they wanting to be, like, talk stars or

55:59

influencers? And is that how they

56:02

define work? I

56:04

think at the end of the day, it's figuring out who

56:06

you are. Do you just wanna follow

56:08

the footsteps of your dad? Do you just

56:11

wanna footsteps of Tom Brady? Or do you wanna

56:13

carve out what is

56:16

what speaks to

56:16

you? What is yeah. What represents

56:19

joy and peace and and look at the end of the

56:21

day for me, like, I love my

56:24

job. I have a dynamic

56:26

relationship with it in terms like there is bit of

56:28

an obsession to it, but now I've

56:30

shifted and I feel like

56:32

more open in talking about

56:34

my problems, my issues being a

56:36

female in sports bra casting.

56:38

The the the challenges that

56:40

women have in terms of dealing with,

56:42

you know, being a female in a

56:45

more male dominated industry. But now I've

56:47

shifted and gone, like, how can I also help people

56:49

by talking about some of the things I used

56:51

to be ashamed of? you

56:54

know, and if that helps younger women or even younger

56:56

men or even adults, whatever, cool.

56:59

Like, that feels purposeful for

57:01

me. And then that becomes kind

57:03

of fun because I'm, like, taking the the armor of

57:05

the things that I was, like, needing to be

57:08

really tough about, and I think it

57:10

resonates with people. So, like, that's kind

57:12

of where the shift is for

57:14

me because my workaholism was was becoming

57:16

an issue and then lost my dad

57:18

last year, lost my brother the year before,

57:22

like, had panic attacks and was in full

57:24

breakdown mode and needed to go, like, okay.

57:27

Like, I can't keep on this.

57:30

I think you need that twelve That's what

57:32

Chris was saying. Yeah. I'm down. I

57:34

hope everyone is down with that. Speaking

57:37

of shifting, Groden,

57:40

I haven't heard that guy's name come up in a little while, but

57:42

you would know about Groden,

57:44

I'm guessing. talking about John

57:46

Greetings. John

57:47

Greetings. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that

57:49

guy was all over

57:52

NFL, everything, and

57:54

now he's percent and then

57:56

grab it.

57:57

Yeah. Yeah. It that

57:59

was a really tough time

58:02

to

58:03

shift the storyline in

58:04

terms of what was going on inside the facility for the Raiders.

58:07

Right? It was their second year

58:09

in Vegas. I think

58:11

could have been I think it was

58:13

the first time, the raiders were five and two. Like, they let go of

58:15

a coach mid season, and it's a winning

58:17

record. Right? It's not a

58:19

leader. was five and two. I wanna say

58:21

he was five and two, and the

58:23

team was firing on on all

58:26

cylinders. And remember before that, they

58:28

were kinda struggling to get both sides of the ball

58:29

working things out. How much of that what

58:32

my my theory

58:32

of and thankfully, you

58:35

can address this. how much that he

58:37

was in the here? Two or

58:38

344 Thank you. Of that crazy ten year

58:40

contract, how much of that was

58:44

the team very

58:46

willing to part with the ten year

58:48

contract. I mean, not because I'm

58:50

forced, but Yeah.

58:51

You mean, like, It was a

58:53

heavy expensive contract that they wanna get out of it. Thank god. Excuse

58:55

to make this go away. Yeah. They're speculation.

58:58

But, you know,

59:00

I can't speak to that. That's

59:02

a that's a front office deal. Look, I think

59:04

I think the team respected. John Groden,

59:08

I think they they appreciated his

59:10

leadership, but it's not

59:12

lost on me that Rich Pesaccia, the interim

59:14

head coach, a specialties coach,

59:17

took the team seven and five and a playoff berth for the

59:19

first time in Well, what was

59:21

the Gruten story? They ended up

59:23

looking in NFL emails. They were

59:25

looking for something else and

59:27

emails with his name. looking into the

59:29

Dan Schneider situation.

59:32

Oh, yeah. And

59:32

I can't really speak to that.

59:35

Dan Redskins owner. Yep. and

59:37

all the inappropriate whatever he

59:40

was doing over there. So they

59:42

were looking into him and while they're looking in him. So

59:44

that's why don't hand your photo. Right. They're looking for a

59:46

guy who owns the Washington Redskins and

59:48

come up with some grudent stuff on

59:50

it. While you're in there, And

59:53

that was

59:53

the head scratcher, I think, for a lot of

59:56

people within the Raiders'

59:58

organization, was this was focused on

1:00:00

Dan Snyder. How did grudent get

1:00:02

brought into it. So I think, you know, like,

1:00:04

when you bring in the speculation

1:00:06

of where

1:00:07

did the contract lie, was this something that

1:00:10

they were happy about? I

1:00:12

don't think that the Raiders were

1:00:14

really happy about the situation that

1:00:16

happened with John Putin. Now look, they

1:00:18

weren't upset how the rest of the

1:00:20

season played out. Right. You know, in What's the NFL looking to

1:00:22

get John grid? Right. That's the

1:00:24

speculation.

1:00:24

I

1:00:27

I can't speak to that. Sheena. Yeah. Sheena would

1:00:29

now Sheena

1:00:29

would yeah. Yeah. The

1:00:32

scuttlebutt, at least from

1:00:34

Mike, August. Who doesn't this?

1:00:36

Dad was a football coach for thirty five

1:00:38

years or whatever. No, Zavel. He said, oh,

1:00:40

they didn't like Putin. And I don't know why

1:00:42

they didn't like Putin. He was all

1:00:44

over their coverage. I mean, years before, he's like a a

1:00:46

phase of the NFL. I heard a

1:00:48

theory right about when all this was going on. The

1:00:50

griden was only brought in as the

1:00:52

Raiders coach when

1:00:54

they were Oakland because he was the guy who was going

1:00:56

to help with a seamless

1:00:57

transition to get the raiders out of

1:01:00

Oakland and in

1:01:02

the loss Vegas and they had plans of canning him the whole time. I

1:01:04

don't believe that. And the reason

1:01:05

why I don't believe that was because

1:01:07

Mark Davis brought that

1:01:09

team to Vegas and

1:01:11

it was like we've got this

1:01:14

super sexy new stadium.

1:01:16

Allegion is is gorgeous. we

1:01:19

have these incredible players in the locker room, and Groden was

1:01:21

the big draw for the fan base.

1:01:23

They wanted to get

1:01:26

fans Because look like Vegas new market, they needed to get people to

1:01:28

get on, you know, they had the golden knights there

1:01:30

already. They needed to get

1:01:32

flashy names so that I

1:01:35

mean, it was Griden's teams. I

1:01:36

don't know. Griden's gonna sue the

1:01:39

NFL now. There's currently a lawsuit. I don't

1:01:41

know. Oh, there's currently a lawsuit. Yeah. I

1:01:43

don't

1:01:43

know anything about that. though. It

1:01:45

is it'll be interesting to see how it how it plays out.

1:01:47

I'm team Groden on this one. If you're

1:01:49

looking for stuff that Dan

1:01:52

Schneider did and you find some shit

1:01:54

with Grewden's name on it, focus on Danch neither. Mhmm. And and by

1:01:56

the way, we all have to completely

1:01:58

outrage by stuff he said,

1:02:02

it was fairly mild shit. And compared

1:02:04

to the hustler cartoons, we

1:02:06

we looked at the beginning

1:02:09

of this program, There were mostly zero burgers

1:02:11

in there. Look at the pod, a

1:02:14

plug. Entertain

1:02:16

hers available on the

1:02:18

podcast one network. And

1:02:20

Instagram, should we send people there,

1:02:22

Erin Castarelli? That's

1:02:24

it. We'll do that. Let's

1:02:27

spell your last name, so make sure everyone everyone has it. Yeah.

1:02:29

It's Italian. Lots

1:02:30

of syllables, C0SCARELLI

1:02:34

your Italian. and thank

1:02:35

you. Corolla or Corolla.

1:02:38

Nobody knows. Although

1:02:40

I realized what happened with my name is

1:02:43

when the Corolla family dropped

1:02:45

the o off the back of the

1:02:47

name and put an a there, that o

1:02:49

did not go to waste. because everyone who

1:02:51

writes an article about me kept the Oh, cool.

1:02:53

it back to the a

1:02:56

where the CAR was and

1:02:58

then replaced

1:03:00

it with that o -- Right. -- even in articles where

1:03:02

the Adam Corolla Show logo --

1:03:04

York is in blazing. -- in the

1:03:06

article, one line above it

1:03:10

COR. No.

1:03:11

It's not how I spell

1:03:13

my name, but it's on a lot

1:03:15

of stuff, including the logo -- Yeah. -- which

1:03:17

is in your article. Yeah. So

1:03:19

you can just look down and see how it's

1:03:22

spelled. But I don't assume I would know

1:03:24

how to spell anyone's name. If I was writing

1:03:26

an article, I'd just go, how

1:03:28

do they If it was brown, I'd go, does she put any on the

1:03:30

end? I gotta go look. Well, you're not one of

1:03:32

these people, and I

1:03:32

think it's mostly women,

1:03:35

my mom. But when you hear, like like, I'll say

1:03:37

my name and they're Grady. Grab it. Grab it. Grad, like,

1:03:40

graduate. Corolla, car, like,

1:03:42

Carolla. You might have started doing that. I meant

1:03:44

the

1:03:44

car ruined it for me

1:03:46

because that's ACA0R0 no.

1:03:49

Not actually. Sorry. So Like,

1:03:51

CAR spells car. Like,

1:03:54

Corolla, like No.

1:03:56

I know what I'm saying? The car I

1:03:58

get it. The Corolla. got it. It's

1:04:00

emblazoned on the back of everyone sitting

1:04:02

back. You got it. Everyone's sitting in traffic

1:04:05

thinking about an article about me and

1:04:07

looking at the wrong spell. That's kinda

1:04:09

funny. That's what I'm saying. but I've

1:04:11

never said Corolla. I say

1:04:13

Corolla. Yeah. California. Alright, Aaron.

1:04:15

Thank you so much

1:04:17

for joining us. Sorry for

1:04:20

that. And Greg Fitzdog,

1:04:22

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1:04:25

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