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the host of the same

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a kid wasn't apparent that

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he had a parent. Adam.

1:30

Corolla, get it on, got going on

1:32

at your job and Remnick. Get it

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on and welcome Sage Deal to the

1:36

show. Good see my dear. Thank

1:38

you for allowing me on. This

1:41

is awesome! Finally! So much

1:43

do I get into with this

1:45

age? There some breaking news. They

1:47

were talking about a bind interview

1:49

from my twenty twenty one. We

1:51

got the whole lot. Dana White,

1:53

Joe Rogan, a kerfuffle. Let's go

1:56

to work which we have. we

1:58

have theories on here. And

2:00

bad but inserted for you.

2:02

The beginning of the transition

2:04

was the interview you did

2:06

with Jay Cutler. Think

2:10

that was actually like round that was the

2:12

biggest move on. yeah I'd say so. And

2:14

that's hardly the spend two and half years

2:16

there were. There were a couple things before

2:19

but but that was the one that was

2:21

super innocent. Like I didn't know I was

2:23

doing anything wrong. At literally Rights. Ah,

2:25

so you know it's my synopsis

2:28

that the powers that be as

2:30

as this thing was unfolding special

2:32

with cove it was. they were

2:34

just putting people in the two

2:36

camps. There was a sort of

2:38

Trump camp in a bind camp

2:40

and we could tell what camp

2:43

you're in by what she thought

2:45

about vaccines are at least they

2:47

thought they could tell way impure

2:49

and by what you thought about

2:51

some of those stuff that was

2:53

coming. From. Russia.

2:56

Will Lynskey or the Debbie A H

2:58

our back vaccines and how effective they

3:00

were and so have said anything about anything

3:02

you just got put in this camp

3:04

and I know. The. Thing

3:06

was of people like well why are

3:08

they rafting so hard to vaccine It's

3:11

unproven as experimental. Some people wanted some

3:13

people down that's ah but there were

3:15

acting to They were acting to thinking

3:17

you're part of mega nation. As you

3:20

said, you questioned the vaccines. Yeah. I

3:23

just wanted to wait. Sell. It was.

3:25

I'll. Yeah. I think being

3:27

a mother and fluence is that where when

3:29

it's not just about you, your to the

3:31

other humans and so that's what I. That's

3:33

the reason why I wanted to wait. And

3:35

you know it doesn't take much like a

3:37

double search to. Do. A little bit

3:39

a homework and as it's like average of sixty

3:41

nine years that the of the I use it

3:43

take to approve a vaccine for I was subbed

3:45

through really fast. It was super political immediately if

3:47

it was coming from from which it was it

3:49

is at the beginning then all the democrats alike.

3:52

hell no not touch net. he's evil when I

3:54

had us and it's once find that an office

3:56

if you don't do it then your baby killer

3:58

and whatever else. So I just was like wait

4:00

what one that starts to happen you ask, you

4:02

should ask more questions and I just wanted a

4:04

little more research before we put this into our

4:06

body. That's all I wanted but I had to

4:08

take an order to keep my job. right?

4:11

And you spoke out and sort of

4:13

you know soft terms about it with

4:15

Jay Cutler and than the Spm got

4:17

home or bad and then the next

4:20

thing of the ball start rolling downhill.

4:22

Run. Yeah. Yeah, I mean honestly, I

4:24

had I had it was a previously planned

4:26

podcast Jay Cutler and never even met J.

4:28

Certainly. You know that a lot of bears

4:31

average bear highlight. Through the years with him

4:33

as quarterback or later every was dolphins

4:35

but I as a publicist of of

4:37

his with a friend of mine and

4:39

said hey we did as he started

4:41

to podcasts. and yet that a woman

4:43

yeah I'm like absolutely It was literally

4:45

the most innocent thing in hindsight. I.

4:48

Was. Coming. Literally coming from

4:50

getting the. I had

4:52

come from the grocery store supremacy. The

4:54

get the sites or what is the very last

4:56

day that if we fully the my September Thirtieth

4:59

twenty one nearly to the very last take that

5:01

tix it's full two weeks allegedly right to at

5:03

the time to make you fully baths and I

5:05

was a do it. I was really

5:07

struggling and going in a lot mate. Maybe this

5:09

is it and I'm gonna take a stand because

5:11

I feel so strongly about this and being forced

5:13

into some into my body. And then just

5:16

gimme the four months. let us do more

5:18

research and thought I had I I was

5:20

coming in hot, put it that way from

5:22

getting the site that I didn't think I

5:24

said ever be forced to do. And then

5:26

I had a bandaid. it was September with

5:29

the woman connecticut somehow in September and a

5:31

band aid on my shoulder and I had

5:33

a sleeveless shirt on and I litter I

5:35

had come right there. So people that was

5:37

a prop oshie this new house. I was

5:39

emotional because I I almost didn't do it

5:41

out. I'm on I thought. This.

5:44

Might be the beginning of the end of my career. So when he

5:46

asked me about the band Aid. And

5:48

he's like class of as like sure, ask whatever. I

5:51

held back. You. Know because I'm

5:54

like I just came from being forced

5:56

to do this and all I said

5:58

was okay I just disagree and I

6:00

think sick and scary. For. Anyone

6:02

to force us to do something to our

6:04

bodies. especially a company. But I said i

6:06

guess I understand that the Disney's a global

6:08

company and in order to keep my job

6:10

the job that I love, I had to

6:12

do it. So and then I moved on

6:15

because I didn't wanna go deeper. But that

6:17

was the truth and. Most importantly,

6:19

I complained. Year.

6:21

Over. Love strong women of

6:24

color of unless unless number

6:26

of people disagree with them.

6:29

And then. They. Hate them more

6:31

than not so strong men have no

6:33

color so that broke my heart. To

6:36

be honest with you, the people would

6:38

get slapped around the most in this.

6:41

Bizarre. Chapter were living

6:43

in his. People.

6:45

Who don't comply Or who do

6:47

not. Comport. With whatever

6:50

bizarre religious. And it's not religious

6:52

obviously. but it's a sort of

6:54

twisted cold. like whatever thoughts about

6:56

it could be an environment. It

6:59

could be cove. It went. whatever

7:01

they cooked up this week. Black

7:03

lives matter in a whatever whatever

7:05

ship they decided to pull out

7:08

of their ass this week. If

7:10

you do not go along with

7:12

that's eyes straight white guy, get

7:14

a certain amount of shirts by.black.

7:17

people and especially black women. Who

7:19

defy them become much more

7:22

threatening. To. Them because they

7:24

look at that is that These are

7:26

this is our flock. and when you

7:28

guys get off the reservation or the

7:30

plantation or whatever more Francis you can

7:32

go with this is is ah, then

7:35

he really doubled down on you guys.

7:38

Start many of us. Now. Not

7:40

many of us to speak out a sunset

7:42

Yeah, because I think there's a huge difference, says

7:45

it's the out and those who probably sir

7:47

similar beliefs. And. It's just

7:49

that there's a sphere and I am.

7:51

You know, a perfect example of why there's a fear. And.

7:54

I get it. I get like the i stayed

7:56

silent for years. Are you kidding me? Sleep well

7:58

As not. I'm not sure. It's

8:01

not only you who may

8:03

have these opinions and these

8:05

fears and. You. Know be

8:08

them. sort of cautious about what you

8:10

say, but then there's a network around

8:12

you have people telling you, don't say

8:15

this and don't do that. You know

8:17

there's a lot. Of peer

8:19

pressure. there's been a there's two kinds of

8:21

get the facts. There's get the facts. Because

8:24

he think he should get the facts.

8:26

And then there's get the back. So

8:28

you can get into a restaurant in

8:30

Seattle, you know. So it's not just

8:32

what's going on internally, there's a lot

8:34

of like external. You know, if you

8:36

have a a thirteen year old daughter

8:38

who's caught up in Cove Eight and

8:40

she's hit new every day going, where's

8:43

the back? that's that's an internal battle.

8:45

Yeah, me too am an external battle

8:47

you're gonna have to do with. And

8:49

in Disney is an external battle. which

8:51

is. There going to get

8:53

ready or they're gonna make it our. I mean

8:55

this is the same thing to you that essentially

8:58

they did to Gina Carano for and I'm I'm

9:00

Gina Carano. Did. Nothing.

9:03

Other than reveal herself as someone

9:05

who is not down with the

9:07

cause, That's all she did to

9:09

do anything that was Fireball. See

9:11

the said I'm not down with

9:13

the cause. It could have been.

9:16

Site. I we

9:18

say that see someone's wearing a mask in

9:20

their car alone. We know how they vote

9:22

and some guys were nicer assessed Some guys

9:24

were in the trucker tap with the Ugly

9:26

Blade sunglasses upside down on top of the

9:28

bill. I know how that guy bus and

9:30

and all you had to do is show

9:32

them. Who. You were masked trucker

9:35

tap water tap worked firing Yelps

9:37

and we want to get radium.

9:39

we want to purge you essential.

9:41

It's and will come up with

9:43

some sort of trumped up something

9:45

to get Radio Gina Carano sing

9:47

Be Pop Boop Original works were

9:49

her pronouns. You know that's not

9:51

a fireball, offense or action. Sunny

9:53

See revealed herself. so wasn't that

9:55

part? It was her revealing her.

9:57

but i think there's so many people

9:59

like Gina who really,

10:02

by the way, everybody has opinions based

10:04

on what? Based on the research homework

10:06

you've done and in my opinion, experiences.

10:10

So some of the race comments I got in

10:12

trouble for, it's based on me being a biracial

10:14

woman with an Irish Italian white mother and a

10:17

black father and therefore the way I look at

10:19

race might be different from someone who's 100% black

10:22

or white or whatever. And I think

10:24

that's a beautiful thing. That's what makes

10:26

us diverse. You know, it's interesting to

10:28

me because someone like Gina who is

10:30

a strong, accomplished, proud, beautiful, talented woman,

10:32

it's not what we promote. Women

10:35

to be just that and to have a voice within self.

10:37

When they agree with everything they say. That's when they

10:39

promote it. And that's why I and many others now

10:41

call BS. Now it took a really, really long time

10:43

and a lot of things when you do have kids

10:45

to think about and you know, we've talked before, I

10:47

have three kids that are now about to be birthday

10:50

season 18, 20 and 22. Next

10:53

year I'll have all three in college at the same time.

10:55

So pray for me and my finances. The point being when

10:57

she was, when this was happening, my youngest was 15, she

11:00

had a lot, we live in Connecticut, okay? So California,

11:02

Connecticut, very similar. A lot of crazy parents who were

11:04

like, show me your Vax card before

11:06

you come over to hang out and watch movies.

11:08

And they wouldn't let my daughter in to hang

11:10

with their daughter without a vaccine. I was like, well

11:12

then I'm sorry, you're not going, especially as a 15

11:15

year old girl, not doing that. And

11:17

so you do feel pressure as

11:19

a parent because you don't want

11:21

your kid ostracized because of

11:24

this, which is unproven. And so there

11:27

were tough conversations in my house,

11:29

including mom, can

11:31

you just not talk? Can you just

11:33

be quiet? That's what everyone says to me. How's

11:36

that going? Well, I always

11:38

had a standard answer. Like daddy stopped talking. I'm

11:40

like, all right, I'll stop talking, but everything goes

11:43

away. Yeah, exactly. We're going to be on the street. So

11:45

good luck with that. We'll be in an apartment in Van Nuys.

11:47

I always say a basement of my parents' house. So sure, we can

11:49

go live in the basement, bring the dog. I would say

11:51

the basement of Sage Steele's parents' house. And then

11:53

my kids would go, what? So

11:59

late break. The news that you

12:01

didn't interview with Biden. A

12:03

couple years back and than the scuttlebutt

12:05

is, it was all sort of priests

12:08

script. Is that there is that

12:10

fair to say? Very. Much

12:12

word for word, word for word,

12:15

Here the questions: Yes, Once, it's

12:17

ah, I trust me, as a

12:19

journalist, it made me sick. Like

12:21

that is wrong because it's one

12:24

thing to have the questions scripted

12:26

and which never happens in my

12:28

career. Was the first time in

12:30

twenty years for hims, I'm almost.

12:32

The worst part to me was.

12:35

That. I wasn't allowed us to follow up question. Oh,

12:38

Is that part of the stipulations? Yes.

12:40

No better than trilling as. He. Said something

12:42

which he did a couple of things about his

12:45

thoughts on why the major league baseball star games

12:47

to be taken out of Atlanta that point or

12:49

I races voter logs and I wanted to push

12:51

back and say will what you mean by that

12:53

even if it's just to clarify something the or

12:55

has a journalist that's my job to listen and

12:58

asked us about me it's about the viewers who

13:00

are trying to listen to the commander in chief

13:02

and I wasn't lot even ask a follow up

13:04

and it with there's a lot more to the

13:06

story which what led to I think me getting

13:09

the biden interview would say I will reveal at

13:11

some point not quite. There yet? But

13:13

I I was. Out

13:16

at the same time? Another to say no. Sign

13:18

of Lanham was Jim Crow Two

13:20

Point Know which then turned into

13:22

Jimmy Eagle. Which. Is about the

13:24

stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Anybody

13:27

delay or tag the race baiter. Banking

13:29

race has worked at. The cracks me

13:31

up and I wanted to say which

13:33

gymnasium think works were black people are

13:35

not smart enough to remember to bring

13:37

our idea when we say unless anywhere

13:40

to but. While. Having a car getting I

13:42

lie at an idea who he thinks you're not

13:44

smart enough to get and I do not remember

13:46

to bring one Thrive. In the meantime I'm the

13:48

racist for asking a question for sank we

13:50

will. he. will yell at us as well

13:53

as it's it's always on to the next

13:55

thing you know to me like a lan

13:57

i've had dogs in pro to point out

13:59

with more people voted in that

14:01

election, so they're completely off it now

14:03

and they're on to Trump told people

14:06

to inject bleach or bloodbath or whatever

14:08

does your whatever the subject is your

14:10

it's like what happened to the

14:12

school to prison pipeline? Oh, you guys are done

14:14

with it. You're done. You're done talking

14:17

about that. You're done talking about Jimmy. But that's

14:19

why thank God for people like you, right?

14:21

Because they for years, the mainstream media and

14:24

everybody that's involved, whether it's, you know,

14:26

the the needs of the world, Big

14:29

Pharma, all of it, there's so much

14:31

money involved. And they were convinced that

14:33

they could continue to dominate and keep

14:36

people quiet. And then people like you and

14:38

others are now like, I'm done,

14:40

this is wrong. And to me, it

14:43

is the silences compliance type thing that they

14:45

were saying during all the other controversies that

14:47

they tried to stir up. And so if

14:49

we stay silent now through all of this,

14:51

when I think, I mean, so

14:53

much of America is like teetering on the

14:56

edge, then I believe I'm at fault for

14:58

not at least even if we fail, we

15:01

have to talk about these things and call out

15:03

the hypocrisy in the double standards period. I

15:05

agree. And for that, you're in the

15:07

plug. The Sage Steel Show, the podcast

15:10

we've talked about on the show, wherever

15:12

you listen to finer podcasts.

15:14

So we'll we'll skip around. Okay.

15:16

Did the Biden interview, did it

15:18

provide his answers as well, or

15:20

just questions you would have to

15:23

ask? See, it's always funny. Everyone's

15:25

heard me scream about this a million times,

15:28

because now you can tell when

15:30

these guys sit down with

15:32

their for their interviews with Joe Biden,

15:34

and I've screamed about it into this

15:36

microphone for years. They sit down

15:38

with this interview and they go, so you said

15:41

your son Hunter

15:43

Biden, you've

15:45

never discussed business with him or

15:48

any other family member ever.

15:50

And he goes, that's absolutely

15:52

right. And then the guy pauses and he goes,

15:54

so you got a birthday coming up. And I'm

15:56

like, what do you mean? There's, there's, there's a

15:59

trench of email. that you could just

16:01

pull up and go, what the fuck is

16:03

this? I mean, break this down. Let's just

16:05

hear everyone. Let me explain

16:08

to you how to think. I'm going to

16:10

now tell you how to think. And when

16:12

I tell you how to think, it will

16:14

solve most of life's mysteries,

16:16

especially current day stuff that comes to

16:19

you. Let's look at it this way.

16:22

There is an email that has a

16:24

breakdown of everybody who's gonna

16:26

get paid from whatever Hunter Biden

16:28

is doing with Burisma, Ukraine, China,

16:30

Russia, whatever it is, it's a

16:32

breakdown. This guy gets 10%, this

16:35

guy gets 10%. Then at

16:37

some point it says Hunter

16:39

Biden gets 20% and then 10%

16:41

for the big guy. Okay, so

16:43

now let me explain to you how to think. Who

16:46

is the big guy? Well, let's break it

16:48

down. Why is Hunter in

16:50

charge of the big guy? Why

16:52

is Hunter in charge of the big guy? All the

16:54

other business partners aren't in charge of it. Everyone

16:57

reduces 2% to give 10% to the big

16:59

guy. Hunter's in

17:01

charge of the big guy. Who does he know?

17:04

Then we sit and speculate, well not

17:06

NBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times, LA

17:08

Times, they don't seem interested in who

17:10

the big guy is, but there's

17:13

a line for the big guy. Why

17:15

not use the big guy's name? Let's

17:19

just say the big guy is

17:21

Brad Schmecklewitz out of Hermosa

17:23

Beach. Why didn't it just say Brad Schmecklewitz

17:25

on there? Why is everyone is

17:27

using their name except for

17:29

one guy, the big guy, and that's

17:32

the guy Hunter is

17:34

tasked with paying. And so Hunter has

17:36

to do it and we don't use

17:38

his name even though everyone else doesn't

17:40

name Mr. Pink and Mr. Blonde and

17:42

Mr. Yellow, everyone's got their full name

17:44

on there except for the big guy.

17:46

All right, so then everyone speculates. Must

17:49

be Joe Biden is the

17:51

big guy. Well then Hunter Biden

17:53

and Power Super B say, well

17:56

it's not, he's not the big guy. Okay,

17:58

you want to know how to solve this? real quick just

18:00

tell us who the big guy is. Well

18:02

the brat brat schmeckelwitz from Huntington Beach is

18:04

the big guy just just tell us

18:07

who the big guy is what who is this

18:09

big guy like why so it's not your

18:11

guy it's not Joe Biden okay

18:14

it's not him then tell us who

18:16

it is and then we'll figure out

18:18

that it's not Joe Biden but you won't

18:20

provide that answer so this is

18:23

the way you have to think why is Hunter in charge

18:25

of the big guy why is no one else in charge

18:27

of the guy and why won't you just tell us who

18:29

the big guy is and how big could the big guy

18:31

be that he cannot he cannot be

18:33

named on this list simply tell us who that

18:36

guy is and we'll stop asking but

18:38

they won't they will

18:40

not because they know that they don't have

18:43

to they won't be held

18:45

accountable from any of their bosses or executives

18:47

and NBC News doesn't want

18:49

to know who the big guy is nobody wants

18:51

to know because they all know who the big

18:53

guy is but they don't want to know that's

18:55

my point and that's why they need to not

18:57

be listened to ever again and that's why

18:59

thank you Elon Musk yes honestly

19:01

for X so

19:06

the controversy with the

19:08

Dana White and then

19:10

there was the how Howie Mandel and

19:12

then we tried to phase

19:15

piece the thing together I bet

19:17

you did I haven't heard that yet I need to get a clip

19:19

of that well we figured out two things

19:21

I tell me through experience

19:23

I figured out that

19:25

you guys both tape in the same

19:27

building yes so I

19:29

knew that personally from doing both

19:32

your podcast and then Chris picked

19:34

out that Dana was wearing the same outfit

19:37

and Howie Mandel's now

19:39

that wouldn't work on me because

19:42

I wear the same shit every

19:44

day but we watch it every

19:46

day not next to godliness with

19:49

me and cleanliness department but we

19:52

surmised that he went and sat

19:54

down with you you

19:57

thought he was Joe Rogan he got a

20:00

bad taste in his mouth and then walked

20:02

across the hall to Howie Mandel's podcast and

20:04

then stormed out because he was already loaded

20:06

for bed. You must be so bored. I

20:08

am. Okay,

20:13

Dana and I are friends. I get

20:15

it. And he

20:17

actually, I had never fully met him. I'd done a couple interviews

20:19

with him like when I was at ESPN satellite

20:22

and he reached out to me after he saw

20:24

a clip of me going on Riley Gaines podcast

20:26

and it was right after Christmas and I remember

20:28

being in Florida and he reached out on Instagram

20:30

and he's like, you know, so

20:32

proud of you and we need more strong women

20:35

like you. And it was an honor that he,

20:37

you know, for someone who's so outspoken and such

20:39

a great leader and encouraging free speech for all

20:41

the people that work for him. It

20:44

meant a lot. And so we just kept chatting. And

20:46

then when I was starting the show, I said,

20:49

I'd love for you to be a guest.

20:51

And he thought about it and he said,

20:53

absolutely. And so he got on his plane from Las

20:55

Vegas and what it however it was, that fight 30

20:57

minutes on a PJ land

20:59

right there at the airport at the cross the

21:01

street. He was right there at Van Nuys and

21:03

came over and did the show and

21:07

on his way out. Yeah, he

21:09

didn't know that we were we taped

21:11

in how he's do that's how he's building. Right. He

21:14

had no idea. And so they met at that

21:16

point and the rest I'll leave for them to

21:18

discuss. All right. Hold on. Hold

21:21

on. Now, I have to talk about my

21:23

part. You call them Joe. Okay. Yeah, go

21:26

ahead. I've done your podcast. It

21:28

was a delightful time. Wasn't it great? Except

21:31

for Mike August and a stupid drink. You

21:34

gotta remind me to get into that later. But

21:36

certainly. Yeah,

21:39

I got me a scotch and soda,

21:42

which I never drink. But anyway, bit it

21:44

across the room. No, no, I drank it.

21:46

But the point is this. Do

21:49

you think that when I asked Dana White to come on,

21:51

I didn't know who was coming in my studio that day?

21:53

Well, here's an interesting. Here's what I'm curious

21:55

about. The beginning of the

21:57

podcast, we don the socks. Yes.

22:00

We put the socks on. You did it. I did

22:02

it. And you walked out with those buddy socks on too. It

22:04

was so impressive. Yeah, eight bucks

22:06

on eBay three hours later. That's all you

22:08

got? I could have gotten you more. Yeah,

22:11

I didn't want to drop your name because

22:13

it's pretty controversial. Yeah, most people want to

22:15

avoid me. You put the socks on at

22:17

the beginning and then at the end, I

22:19

think you asked them what their dream is.

22:22

At the end. Right. Yeah. You said Joe

22:24

during the sock part and then

22:26

you said Joe during the dream part, which

22:28

is the beginning and the end. So

22:31

makes me wonder about the middle. The

22:33

middle is fabulous. The beginning, if you watch

22:35

the whole thing, which I'm sure you will

22:37

at some point and everyone watching and listening,

22:40

I'm sure you will or if you have

22:42

not already. And when

22:44

he walked in, he had a cup. Mm-hmm. And

22:46

I was like, what are you drinking? Because I

22:48

have something for you here. And that was kind

22:50

of a funny bit. I didn't know and he's

22:53

like, well, it's an energy drink and it's Joe

22:55

Rogan's energy drink. And I

22:57

was like, oh, cool. It means I'm going to be

22:59

like, you know, buff after I drink. I'm like, whatever.

23:01

And I said, what's the name of it? So I'm

23:03

sitting down and I said, what's the name of it? And he goes,

23:05

I'll tell you after you take a sip. And

23:07

so I took a sip and I was like, oh, this is actually

23:09

pretty good. And I said, what is it? He goes, it's Joe Rogan's

23:11

energy drink, energy drink and it's called Elk

23:14

blood. I'm like, I just drank the

23:16

Elk blood. What the hell? So Joe

23:19

Rogan's name came up immediately at the beginning

23:21

because it was his Elk blood that I

23:23

was drinking out of Dana's cup. Onward.

23:25

Apparently at that point, and I haven't gone

23:28

back because now I'm afraid to. Right

23:31

after that, I believe I

23:33

called him Joe at that point, too, like

23:35

right after the Elk blood conversation. And

23:38

then at the end where it happened. So

23:40

when everybody's like, she didn't even know who's

23:42

on her show, she didn't know who they

23:44

booked. I booked them number one, number two,

23:46

with the help of my amazing crew, Chuck

23:48

LaBelle and Chris Case. But Dana and I

23:51

are the ones that, you know, communicated first.

23:53

It seems inconceivable that you would think he was

23:55

somebody else. Hello, I'm a sportscaster for all these

23:57

years. And in the middle, I mean, we just

23:59

had. By the way, he's such a

24:01

badass. We had such an incredible

24:03

conversation. Every time he goes on

24:06

a podcast, it's breaking news somewhere

24:08

and he's making headlines. But

24:10

listen, number one, I so own

24:12

this because I screwed it up. And

24:16

at the same time, I've

24:19

said it to my kids. I called my one daughter's,

24:21

Quinn one daughter's, and I flipped them this weekend, Easter

24:23

weekend. I do it all the time. I'll say it

24:25

to you. Chris is chucked. Now,

24:28

I felt like a total jerk. And

24:30

the funny thing is, the best part

24:33

was his reaction. That's

24:35

so Dana, right? Where he looked off,

24:37

he's like, did she just come? And

24:40

I'm like, imagine, I'm sweating going, oh,

24:42

good Lord. And we're friends too, but

24:44

still, it's embarrassing. And

24:46

then the whole thing was, he told the story about

24:48

when he was mistaken once as Howie Mandel. Yes.

24:52

Told the story, he had no clue that

24:54

we were in Howie Mandel's building. No

24:57

clue. So then Chris Case, one of

24:59

my producers, he was in

25:01

the studio, walked out, grabbed Howie,

25:03

who was watching the taping, brought

25:05

him in. That whole thing, the

25:07

entire thing was organic from my

25:09

screw up. I don't need clicks that

25:11

bad, right? Like we're going to get him from my

25:13

screw up to the Howie Mandel story

25:15

Dana told to Howie walking in.

25:18

And then the hysterical part afterwards, I

25:20

have the power to edit out what I want. And

25:24

we, I didn't even think twice. You keep it

25:26

in because it's hysterical

25:29

that I screwed up that

25:31

badly with somebody that

25:33

I love to death and was

25:36

nice enough to make such a trick there.

25:38

We were high fiving the text that he

25:40

and I have exchanged since then, like hundreds

25:42

laughing hysterically at all of it. And he's

25:44

like, go girl, like this is your first

25:46

show. Go for it. So

25:49

like, all right. I did it out and made it look perfect. Now

25:51

that's what everybody else says. I just, I'm 51 years

25:53

old. I don't give a

25:55

crap anymore. What people think or else I would

25:57

have stayed silent at ESPN and Disney. mistake

26:00

you own it like whatever onward and the

26:02

fact that Dana was okay with it and

26:04

then Joe Rogan makes a post

26:06

about it I'm like who cares this is funny

26:08

I'm sure I'll make more mistakes that you're lucky

26:11

I called you Adam every time we're gonna

26:13

edit this explanation out of the show and

26:15

then we're just gonna have me go what

26:17

about this whole Joe Rogan Dana white kerfuffle

26:19

and then we'll just cut to you drinking

26:21

some coffee and not saying anything you put

26:23

something else in the coffee please why is

26:25

there only dreamer you're right I did learn

26:28

a name there how you just owned

26:30

it in the clip you looked him in the eyes that

26:32

yeah I definitely called you Joe thought you were and let

26:34

me tell you what's going through my mind and my

26:36

like again I'm sweating profusely at that point I was

26:38

like sage Marie Steele what

26:40

did you like but because

26:42

it happened at the beginning like I

26:45

do that sometimes by the way I've done

26:47

it on live TV interviews every once

26:49

in a while I see why

26:51

now that they're giving her scripted

26:53

interviews Adam yeah understood loose can

26:56

30 years to

26:58

figure out you got a script so

27:00

yeah and so we're so does that

27:02

make sense yeah it does it does

27:04

and and I'm sure there's some clip

27:06

in the middle 41 minutes

27:08

in where you're talking about his kids

27:10

and his wife's name and starting

27:13

the UFC and whatever it is that would

27:16

bode to your explanation of it

27:18

I mean the mistake that I made happen

27:20

an hour and 20 minutes in the very

27:22

top you said Joe that after Joe

27:24

guys the joke and oh by

27:28

the way last thing I

27:30

did a little lineup of Dana Joe

27:32

and Howie Mandel like the

27:34

three big bald white

27:36

white guys together and I'm like okay

27:39

there's some similarities there are me some

27:41

love I'm with you but

27:44

I love I haven't met Joe Rogan before I

27:46

hope to someday but like Dana to me is

27:48

the most he inspires me I'm

27:50

not just being yeah I agree because of

27:52

his I don't give a crap what

27:54

you think attitude and it goes to

27:57

conversations like this to

27:59

sponsorships with Anna He is not a Republican or Democrat.

28:02

He's a common sense guy. And I appreciate that a

28:04

Republican now. But what's true with

28:06

the deal, there's a caveat to him not

28:08

caring because homeless people don't care what you

28:10

think either. And

28:14

neither does your worst family member who's unemployable. True.

28:19

He like Elon goes out and gets it

28:21

done and then tells everyone

28:23

to fuck off. It's a beautiful. You have to

28:25

go get it done first. You have to have

28:27

F.M.I. money, as I always call it. You

28:31

have to be successful enough. You

28:34

have to be, look, when you work for Disney and you're sort of downstream

28:36

a little and you're in a cubicle or

28:38

whatever, you better watch your mouth. Because

28:45

you're going to get shit can and you just had a kid

28:47

18 months ago. Correct. When you're

28:49

out crushing it like Dana White or Elon Musk or whomever, Joe

28:51

Rogan, whoever, when you're out crushing it,

28:53

then you get to say whatever you want, which

28:55

is still brave and it's still good. It

29:01

is. But you have to do

29:03

part one first. How

29:06

about the middle ground, though, where you're working for

29:08

Disney, ESPN, as I did for 16 and a half years. And I made

29:10

a great living and so grateful, honestly, grateful for

29:13

every moment of time all those years ago. I

29:18

wouldn't change a thing. And as the sole wage earner

29:20

in my home, I'm divorced. I

29:24

have three kids. It's all on me 100 percent. I

29:26

don't have F.U. money. I did well and I've saved

29:29

well. I'm fine, but I don't have that kind of

29:31

money. So to me, I do

29:33

believe there's a middle ground where you have a

29:35

decision to make, even if you don't know what's

29:37

coming next. And I didn't know what was coming

29:39

next. No, I agree. I look

29:42

it's more courageous even when people are

29:44

in that middle ground where they do

29:46

need the income and don't have money

29:48

and all that kind of stuff. So

29:52

no, I agree with that. And that's

29:54

the lion's share of Americans. And

29:56

that's why we need more from that category. If we're just going to

29:58

have. People that were

30:01

independently wealthy speak their mind that would be

30:03

way less than 1% of Americans, you know

30:06

We need the great middle that's why

30:08

that's why this I Mean

30:10

in my decision to stand up and file a

30:12

lawsuit something. I've never done in my life even

30:15

my divorce I should have had a lawyer. I

30:17

didn't god bless I should like I I've never

30:19

been litigious in any way ever to

30:21

take that stand Scared

30:24

the crap out of me. I still can't

30:26

believe I did it. But at some point

30:28

you realize It's bigger than you.

30:30

So it's one thing

30:32

correct if Dana or Joe or many

30:35

people making Kelly, right? Like right take a stand.

30:37

It's another thing if you're more in the middle

30:39

But I knew that like if I preach this

30:42

but don't practice it forget everybody

30:44

else have out in front of my three kids

30:46

Then well, I'm a hypocrite and so I just

30:48

and it is a faith thing for me, too

30:51

I felt that you know for me like

30:53

God had has already saved me in

30:56

more ways than I felt I deserved and I

30:58

thought Okay, I know I'm talented. I've worked hard.

31:00

I have a good resume I

31:02

couldn't even talk to other companies during the

31:04

lawsuit because I'm under contract So I left

31:06

not knowing what tomorrow would bring. I have

31:08

a consistent paycheck right now and I'm not

31:11

bragging about myself I'm acknowledging

31:14

the the fear though that

31:16

it is so freaking scary

31:18

And you have to bet on yourself at times you

31:20

have to hope others see who you are as a

31:23

person and as a hard worker A good

31:25

human being how you treat others and I've always I

31:28

was an army kid. I was raised, right? I've always

31:30

treated people the right way But it

31:32

was a massive risk and I just know

31:34

that like by doing it that

31:36

the thousands of emails and DMS I've gotten

31:38

from total strangers Helped

31:40

help me through it and helped

31:42

me realize that I did the right thing Encouraging

31:45

others along the way and I'm not trying to sound cheesy

31:48

But we can't wait until we're multi millionaires

31:50

to stand up That's what they're depending on

31:52

it's the rest of us to be silent

31:54

and I'm done and I hope others are

31:56

done as well We're getting there

32:00

We've hit the saturation point, now we're starting

32:02

to go the other direction. Just

32:06

the circle back, you've

32:08

explained a lot. Yes, you've explained a

32:10

lot. And yes, if

32:12

you legitimately screwed up, then you would have edited

32:14

it out. Not screwed up, but I mean if

32:17

you thought you were interviewing Joe Rogan, you would

32:19

have edited it the whole time. They're two completely

32:21

different people. Like- Or never

32:23

shown it. But, still

32:25

doesn't explain him walking in with

32:28

Howie Mandel. So,

32:30

I'm assuming he walked across

32:32

the hall to sit

32:34

down with Howie after finishing your

32:37

podcast. Is that a safe assumption?

32:39

Yeah. Okay. And-

32:44

See, as a journalist, you don't ask yes or no

32:47

questions, Adam. Because then that's all you're going to get.

32:49

I've got to check my script that was provided

32:51

by your team. Follow

32:54

up. Because

32:56

I'm allowed. If

33:00

he wasn't upset over

33:02

the whole Joe debacle, which he

33:04

wasn't, which he wasn't, he knows who you

33:06

are, and you know who he is. And

33:08

he's been posting and laughing about it the whole time,

33:10

correct? Why jump up so

33:12

early in Howie's thing and

33:14

walk out? Why don't you ask him? I

33:18

should. I mean, listen- You cannot tell what

33:20

you did. First off, I've talked to Dana. He said he'll

33:22

fly out and do the show. So, we've got to get

33:24

Dana on the show. I

33:27

did Howie's Mandel's podcast. I got

33:29

his daughter to walk out in

33:32

the middle of it. Like legitimately?

33:35

Yeah. She started crying and she left. What'd you

33:37

do? Um, I told

33:39

her I wasn't down with the whole COVID stuff,

33:41

you know? And that made her mad? Uh,

33:44

everybody- Did she have a

33:46

mask on? Um, I don't

33:48

know. It really only

33:51

affects Craig's narcissist. So

33:53

you have to be an insane narcissist to worry

33:55

about what everyone else is doing and how it

33:57

affects them. She

34:01

said she wanted me to

34:03

get down with the protocol. Because it affects

34:05

her. Well, here's what everyone

34:07

does. Can't. Nobody

34:10

says because it affects me. They

34:13

go, I live with my

34:15

elderly mother and she is a chemo

34:17

survivor and then that's what they do.

34:20

So they won't do it for themselves, they do it. So

34:22

she said her child was sick

34:25

and this was endangering her child or whatever.

34:28

And then she asked me, do

34:30

I have any symptoms? I

34:32

told her, well, I woke up this morning and I did

34:34

kind of have this sniffle or something like that. I

34:37

was just being honest. And I can't taste any of my food but I'm great.

34:40

That's right. And

34:42

she just started crying and laughing.

34:44

Wait, what? Legitimate. Oh, she walked

34:47

out. So. Has she already

34:49

like, taken her hand? I

34:51

don't think so. But

34:54

anyway, that's her. Wait, was this like 2020? When

34:58

was this? No. Before or

35:00

after the science came out that masks and all that didn't actually help

35:02

us. The science didn't affect anyone who told

35:04

you to follow the science. You're right. So

35:06

they're immune to the science. The

35:08

ones that never stopped screaming about following the

35:11

science. Correct. When the science came out, they

35:13

didn't really care. That's why I always say hashtag

35:15

science when it comes to the transgender women's sports

35:17

issue. Wait, science, right? So

35:19

you said that you weren't sick but you did

35:22

blow your nose before you came in. And

35:25

she gets upset and how he says that

35:27

it's because her son isn't well and has

35:29

a zero immune system and is in isolation in

35:31

a hospital. So she was very

35:33

emotional. Okay, so did you feel bad about that when she heard

35:35

the whole story? No, I'm not interested

35:37

in everyone in their overwrought emotions.

35:39

I also don't believe anyone anymore

35:42

because everyone lied about COVID. I'm

35:44

sure she has a son and I'm sure the son was in

35:46

a whatever. But here's the point. Everyone

35:48

lied all through COVID for so long that

35:50

I don't really know who to believe anymore

35:53

when it comes to COVID and my default

35:55

setting is not really believing people. It's

35:58

still their issue. I don't have... I'm

36:00

not retarded, I don't

36:03

do shit, I don't do mass that don't

36:05

work, I don't isolate on the beach, I

36:07

don't do any of this stuff. I'm

36:09

fine, that's in your head, that's

36:12

your problem, which is fine,

36:14

it's your, like someone who has a whackadoodle religion,

36:16

you know what I mean? Like,

36:18

if someone's standing with

36:20

a fucked out crazy religion and I'm walking down

36:23

the sidewalk and they go, uh, listen,

36:25

according to my religion, whenever you pass a telephone

36:27

poll you have to walk around it three times

36:29

and then continue walking your dog and you go,

36:31

I don't do that, and then they start crying?

36:34

Do I feel bad? Answer? No!

36:37

You subscribe to a fucking whackadoodle

36:39

religion, that's on you, Dumbo! I

36:41

love you so much. Here's the thing though,

36:43

like if there's that much of a concern,

36:46

depending on 2021-ish I'm guessing this was, I

36:49

don't know, it was only like a

36:51

year ago. Oh, you're kidding, okay that's

36:53

worth it. But I was gonna say, like if there

36:55

is that much of a concern, and how

36:57

he's been very public, I love him to death,

37:00

I'm so grateful. I like him. Very

37:02

public about him being a real germaphobe and he has many

37:04

issues with that that have affected his life. So I have

37:06

a respect for that. It's his issue, is my thing. Correct.

37:10

I'm not nuts, you're nuts. I'm

37:12

not chewing you in a nutty kiddie pool. My

37:15

point is, is when you have a podcast with

37:17

guests, if you're that nervous

37:19

about things, for whatever reason,

37:21

legitimate or not, then don't have guests in your

37:23

studio. Because, oh by the

37:25

way, if we recall, you can be completely

37:27

asymptomatic and still have it. Sure. So

37:30

just do it via satellite, do it

37:32

via Zoom, whatever, if there's that much

37:34

of a concern. Otherwise, when you choose

37:37

to walk out of your own podcast...

37:39

Yeah, I don't care. But, yes, Howie invited

37:41

me, he let us build my little studio

37:43

in his building. He's amazing. I

37:45

love Howie. He's so much fun. He's

37:47

really fun and supportive. And

37:50

my goodness, what a career. So I haven't met his daughter, though.

37:53

Well, bullet dodge. All

37:56

right, now. What

37:59

I do now. What else is correct? Nothing. Yet.

38:03

Here's the deal. I got a clip about

38:05

a minute and a half long because I'm

38:07

going to get into this March Madness Madness

38:10

a little bit later on. And

38:13

but you're uniquely qualified to get in

38:15

on this and. Maybe.

38:18

No you are. I've pre-deemed you

38:20

uniquely qualified for this. No

38:23

pressure. It's the guy

38:25

who's the Spanish soccer federation guy

38:28

who got. Luis. Yeah.

38:31

Luis Rubiales. Luis Rubiales who got shitcanned

38:34

or suspended for three years for

38:36

the celebration after the World

38:38

Cup. Right. Okay. Now

38:41

what I try to explain to everybody

38:43

all the time is it's

38:45

not him who we need to worry

38:47

about. And it's

38:50

not really the woman he kissed

38:52

for less than a second celebrating

38:54

that we need to worry about.

38:56

Although her name is Jenny Hermoso

38:58

and she's a coward. And

39:01

she's I hope she

39:03

rolls an ankle in the next World Cup. I

39:05

really she's horrible. She's a horrible person because she

39:07

could have she could have stopped this but she

39:10

didn't stop it. Okay. So

39:12

she's an accomplice to this and she lacks

39:14

character and morals. Okay. There's

39:16

a character issue with her and

39:19

I have no

39:21

love for her at all because she

39:23

first off the people can nip

39:25

this stuff at the bud is the so-called victims

39:27

who weren't victimized. They could speak out and go

39:29

there's nothing to see here but they won't do

39:31

it. And then the

39:33

news gets involved and the news

39:36

just pushes forward like he raped

39:38

her on the podium. You know

39:40

all the news stories I looked

39:42

up had to use a

39:44

still of him kissing her. Even

39:46

if it was video footage because the kiss

39:49

was so fast that it was a zero

39:51

burger. They had to literally stop it with

39:53

him. Clamping his hands on her and

39:56

kissing her. Everyone on the podium

39:58

was celebrating the kiss was less than a. second,

40:00

it was perfectly contextualized. This

40:03

is as big as a nothing burger

40:05

as there is. And

40:07

it's not his fault, and it's not anyone

40:09

else on this team's fault except for Jenny

40:11

Hermosos. She's horrible.

40:14

And the Soccer Federation, of course, is horrible,

40:16

but it's the news outlets. And

40:20

why it could never be a news anchor. So

40:22

I was looking it up when I was working

40:24

on it last night, and

40:26

I found this clip. Well,

40:28

we also, we could play the full

40:30

length one if we won as well.

40:32

Chris whacked it up. Correspondent

40:36

is Kelly Kabila,

40:39

and the anchors are Savannah Sellers, Coward,

40:43

and Joe Fryer, who's a

40:46

coward, a pussy, a hypocrite, bought and sold,

40:48

I don't know what it is. If

40:51

someone just said, hey, do this job and lie,

40:53

I just wouldn't do it. But evidently,

40:56

they're talentless and they're scared, and

40:58

they're trying to keep their job over at NBC News

41:00

now. So they report the

41:02

story, and there's no context to

41:05

it at all. And

41:07

when you just watch it after a year

41:09

has gone by, you realize

41:11

it's patently insane what we're

41:13

doing. They are turning nothing

41:17

into a crime and just

41:19

moving forward with it. Chris will

41:21

send you the full clip. All

41:24

right, we'll just play it. Just play it,

41:26

it's four minutes long. Welcome back, we're continuing

41:28

to follow the controversy and the fallout surrounding

41:30

the Spanish soccer official who kissed a player

41:32

on the mouth during the Women's World Cup

41:34

awards ceremony. FIFA has now

41:36

suspended that official for his conduct. NBC

41:38

News foreign correspondent, Kelly Cobaya, joins us now

41:40

with more on this. Hey, Kelly, good morning. So

41:43

what else do we know about this suspension so

41:45

far? Yeah,

41:47

so Spain's Soccer Federation today is expected

41:50

to hold an emergency meeting to talk

41:52

about the ballad. All right, hold on. We have

41:54

an emergency meeting over nothing.

41:57

The Soccer Federation of Spain.

42:00

Everybody get up at 6 a.m. on Sunday

42:03

morning. We got to get together

42:05

and have an emergency meeting over

42:08

nothing. It was nothing. It wasn't a

42:10

two and a half or a three

42:12

out of ten. It was a fucking

42:15

zero and they're moving ahead and

42:18

people think I'm you know overstating

42:20

this. This is where we're at. This

42:22

is the problem about what this is

42:24

how we just got fucked in the

42:26

ass by COVID. Fucking lying assholes like

42:28

this just moving forward with emergency meetings.

42:32

Ugh. Alright play it. What

42:35

about this suspension so

42:38

far? Yeah so Spain's Soccer

42:40

Federation today is expected to hold

42:42

an emergency meeting to talk about

42:44

all of this. This FIFA suspension,

42:46

the Federation president Luis Rubio has

42:48

refused to resign saying that kiss

42:50

a week ago during the medal

42:52

ceremony at the Women's World Cup

42:55

was consensual. The player who was

42:57

on the receiving end, Jenny Hermoso

42:59

said the kiss made her feel

43:01

quote vulnerable and the victim of

43:03

aggression and also says. Alright stop

43:05

it right there. You're not stupid or

43:08

liar. You're lying bitch. You're lying. You

43:10

did not feel like you're

43:12

being threatened. Those are publicist

43:14

words. Yes. Jesus Christ. You

43:16

could she could have a

43:19

little dignity. She could have a little dignity

43:21

and put the whole thing to bed.

43:23

Jenny Hermoso could but she can't. She's

43:26

lying. Now remember she initially said the thing

43:28

was fine but now she's a kid. She

43:30

publicly said everything was fine. Yeah she said

43:32

it was. Oh yeah we just do that.

43:34

That's what happened. I think people got into

43:36

her head. That's the point. They got to

43:38

her head. Yeah and I'm saying that's where

43:41

the dignity comes in Jenny. That's

43:43

where the dignity is supposed to kick in. Do we know?

43:45

She was born in 1990 so yeah. Good.

43:50

Hopefully she's retired. She's not a

43:52

baby. Good she can get get back to lying full time.

43:56

Good. It's awesome. Soon we're

43:58

going back to the things. The reporter,

44:00

who was on the receiving end, Jenny

44:03

Hermoso, said the kiss made her feel

44:05

quote vulnerable and the victim of aggression

44:07

and also said that she felt pressured

44:10

to release the original statement which

44:12

was almost a tacit support

44:14

for Ruby Alice. So FIFA has

44:17

now opened disciplinary actions against Ruby

44:19

Alice. That happened on Thursday. On

44:22

Saturday they said he was

44:24

suspended for three months pending

44:26

an investigation. And in

44:28

another strange twist this morning, guys, his mother

44:31

has now locked herself in a

44:33

church in Spain and announced that

44:35

she is going on a hunger

44:37

strike to protest what she calls

44:39

her son's inhumane treatment. Savannah,

44:42

Joe? Wow. I mean, this is

44:44

a topic that's really just the talk of the sports

44:46

world truly all around the globe. Can you tell us

44:48

some of the support that Jenny Hermoso is receiving? Yeah.

44:51

We got to build her back up. Yeah, she's gotten a

44:53

lot of support particularly over the weekend

44:55

from athletes in all different kinds of

44:57

disciplines. From men and women. There

44:59

have been messages of support from men's

45:02

giant football teams at Barcelona

45:04

and Madrid. Teams and players

45:06

as well as women's soccer

45:08

players in the US. The

45:11

US women's national basketball players.

45:13

This is the greatest. All right, hold on, hold on. Here

45:17

we go. Nothing was done to

45:19

this woman in front of 80,000 people

45:21

with all the cameras in the lights on her

45:24

standing on a podium. Nothing. She

45:26

walked down the line, hugged, embraced,

45:28

kissed, and celebrated with

45:31

everyone down the line. Did he kiss everyone?

45:34

Just her? I don't know. I

45:36

don't know. Everybody was celebrating. By the way,

45:38

the players, the women were hugging the guys

45:40

more than the guys were hugging the women.

45:43

Then he kissed her like anyone kisses anyone when

45:45

they win an Oscar before they go back to

45:47

the university to produce her. Also culturally. Yes,

45:50

culturally. There's a lot of kissing across the pond. Totally. A

45:53

lot of honor. The Women's National

45:55

Basketball Players Association has

45:57

to chime in over nothing.

46:00

over nothing. So we can

46:03

make it into something so you assholes can

46:05

think there's something going on in this culture

46:07

that there isn't. By the way,

46:09

it's exactly the same as Black Lives Matter.

46:11

Something happens, it's nothing, you all weigh in

46:13

on it, LeBron James weighs in, and now

46:15

it's something, and now you can move on

46:18

with your narratives. Because if you

46:20

don't post a statement, release a statement, then

46:22

that means that you are

46:24

just fine with abusive women, rape,

46:26

etc. Great-ism on the blank. Right, all

46:28

right. So here's their statement. Women's

46:32

soccer players in the US, the

46:35

US Women's National Basketball Players

46:37

Association posted a statement of

46:39

support saying, we stand

46:41

united in our condemnation of

46:43

all forms of assault against

46:45

women, and we reject the

46:47

institutional abuse of power displayed

46:49

by the RFEF, that's the

46:51

Spanish Football Association, and

46:53

those enabling them. This behavior impacts

46:55

us all. The statement said, it

46:58

went on to say the situation

47:00

is having Jenny. This behavior,

47:02

celebrating in Barcelona

47:05

on a podium with

47:07

a packed house, that

47:09

affects you all? WNBA? WNBA

47:11

players taking a knee over this

47:14

incident with the soccer, like, it

47:16

affects them all. They didn't even

47:18

know what happened. The celebration, yeah.

47:20

Boy, it's exhausting. It's exhausting. There

47:22

we go. Spanish Football Association

47:25

and those enabling them. This behavior

47:27

impacts us all, the statement said.

47:30

It went on to say the

47:32

situation involving Jenny Hermoso serves as

47:35

a stark reminder that no one

47:37

should escape accountability, including Luis Rubiales.

47:39

This incident emphasizes the interconnectedness of

47:41

our community, where, and went on

47:44

to say that attack on one

47:46

is an attack on all. Except for there's

47:49

no attack, you crazy witches. Do

47:51

we know what's next here for the Spanish women's suffrican?

47:53

I mean, just generally. I hope they lose every fucking

47:55

game. Sort of a cultural issue with soccer or women's

47:57

sports. Beaten by a group of

47:59

special needs. needs kids from taxes i

48:01

think it definitely a cultural issue in spain

48:04

at least according to the people who

48:06

are speaking out about that including uh... top

48:08

uh... members of government who are saying that

48:10

this should be all of them hogging need

48:12

to m uh... moment that's really

48:14

a moment i'm using to play

48:17

on the national team at all until

48:19

there's a change in leadership their next

48:21

match is that next month against sweden

48:24

and some of the coaching staff the female

48:26

i love this part uh...

48:28

refusing to work more broadly it has

48:30

opened up a conversation about women's sport

48:32

globally as well in fact norway's

48:35

football federation president the first woman

48:37

to hold that post said

48:40

over the weekend that football's journey

48:42

toward inclusion diversity and gender equality

48:44

is quote far from over guys

48:48

do you have the the live video clip to

48:51

see how fast it happened because your

48:53

point about them freezing in on that

48:55

mark it's everything because they're all back

48:57

at the very sure you're like hot that's weird

48:59

but if you look at it in real time i think

49:01

that's important it's a

49:03

nothing burger uh... at least we've

49:05

got a clean saying it's exhausting and

49:08

you're ruining the country you're ruining the

49:10

world you fucking idiots and it's not

49:12

their fault their hammering check this all

49:14

the people agree with them alright

49:17

he's good let's

49:19

see yeah i had she's hugging him

49:22

by the way her arms around firmly

49:24

around him uh... by the way they

49:26

know each other all these people are friends like

49:28

when you're on the national team you know all

49:30

the leadership at the top that's why she's looking

49:32

back in it mwah by and

49:34

she smiled more okay this is

49:36

not saying and you fucking cowards

49:39

made it into something sad it's

49:41

sad but you did news people

49:43

fucking get a job

49:46

slaughtering snow seals or something

49:48

with some fucking dignity fucking

49:50

losers but i think your original

49:52

point number one the video versus the still

49:54

shot is huge but most importantly uh...

49:57

yes it is on jenny to say

49:59

okay Maybe we're overreacting a little

50:01

bit here. There's a way to not allow

50:03

it to get to this point But to

50:06

say I was pressured to make that statement

50:08

at first and then switch it up. That's

50:10

just There's no character.

50:12

She's a coward But I also think

50:14

it to your point of all the leagues and everybody

50:17

making statements At the end of the

50:19

day most of these people and I talked to a

50:21

lot of these people at the top of the leagues

50:23

And players and coaches just like the transgender sports issue

50:25

They all agree that it's total BS

50:27

and there should never be any men playing

50:29

women's sports on any level But no one

50:31

says anything. There's a statement our rainbow

50:34

patch. Yes, so it's

50:36

on every level and I believe as leaders That's

50:39

where it's going to end. Well, they don't have the

50:41

courage to do it either. The bigger

50:43

impact is globally When

50:46

they do this, we then think we

50:48

live in this society That's

50:50

the problem then they issue a statement, you

50:52

know, this is assaulting women is never okay

50:56

We don't live in that society. They do the

50:58

same thing with this as they do with racism

51:00

They just grab everything lie about it over blow

51:02

it the ladies from the view sit there and

51:04

fucking get every fact wrong about it And then

51:07

we go God, I guess this is where we're

51:09

living It's not where we're living if this is

51:11

an example of where we're living then we're done.

51:13

I Tell you what

51:15

that's our own cause and you hurt actual

51:17

victims who did have something substantial

51:20

and real happen to them unlike this one

51:22

So that's why I always say about racism

51:24

too because of course as long as there's humanity

51:27

They're going to be racists and

51:29

racist incidents and but when people

51:32

do that, you're crying wolf Which then

51:34

makes everybody say you're all full of crap and

51:36

when something legitimately needs to be addressed Nor

51:39

you and that's the problem you're

51:42

abusing it. Yes ladies from the

51:44

WNBA I'm not listening the next

51:46

time you come out with a statement and

51:48

maybe it's about something real But

51:50

that'll be on you because you weighed in

51:52

on something that wasn't real Is

51:55

that chick Jenny? Sormosa, She's

51:57

still in the league. She's still playing. Yeah. Very

52:01

sexy yourself Other Uri and thirty three years

52:03

old evade save. I hope the Spanish women's

52:05

soccer team never wins another game as long

52:07

last night and day out to be just

52:10

a seeker play with all the other teams

52:12

like let's discuss turmoil the championship team here.

52:14

ah oh and bat yes bigger picture. This

52:16

is what the way remember remembered for not

52:19

winning the World Cup. This is already bigger

52:21

than the world and way bigger than the

52:23

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to helplessly as Derek Sylvan. Nope, on

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56:28

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56:30

he was recorded arms shouting at the

56:32

officers is on the body cam footage

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took for it away he remained at

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the scene because he believed he had

56:41

witnessed a murder. He called nine One

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One Arm he. Said ah feel

56:46

as that I'm. Be

56:48

because. Like they were there are

56:50

putting their is their hands on

56:52

his chest trying to put him

56:54

away. You consider that assault Y

56:57

C get paid for. He gets

56:59

his own for your mama. yet

57:01

he families are unskilled. paid for

57:03

trauma he says insert emotional distress

57:05

he family suffering carnation embarrassment. ah

57:07

he alleged one account each of

57:09

assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress

57:11

and negligence of infliction of emotional

57:13

distress. They are. How

57:16

much? Well so he sought more than

57:18

fifty thousand dollars in damages for each

57:20

count. But that's is this the minimum

57:22

you have to ask for? I'm in

57:24

order to get more our hearts. So

57:27

I mean it's say that or yeah,

57:29

it's unclear what what they settled with

57:31

Minnesota has Guy or fuck him. Dumpster.

57:34

Now it's It's turned into a

57:36

shit show. earlier. used to be

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normal but Bud Grant, Paul Bunyan

57:40

now to Total fucking Activities are

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out in Jesse Ventura. Yeah they're

57:44

They've lost it. Minnesota's can be

57:46

the next boy. Severance Police from.

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Minnesota. Wisconsin like that whole area

57:50

is really like that but at I'm

57:52

blown away that he was able to

57:55

file a lawsuit and of course a

57:57

to settle to make a go away.

57:59

So the former. wrestler who is

58:01

trained in MMA. And

58:05

yeah, but he led. So a cop pushing him in

58:07

the chest is assault for the guy who fought in

58:09

the octagon? He was like a shoven, threatened him and

58:11

then Tao, one of the other cops, placed his hands

58:14

on his chest which he took as a threat. So

58:17

he was fearful for his safety. After

58:19

fighting him, after fighting mixed martial arts.

58:22

By the way, I love how the facts continue to be

58:24

left out of that entire case. Oh,

58:27

it's crazy. With what actually George Floyd

58:29

was on and was having breathing

58:31

problems while in the car before they even touched

58:33

him. Like again, let's not let the facts get

58:35

in the way. They took the original coroner's report

58:37

and went, come back and do something better than

58:40

this because we don't want this place to burn

58:42

down. So that's how

58:44

we're living now, everybody. Well, congratulations. I

58:46

hope he's happy with his settlement. Everyone's

58:49

involved in mine. By the way, you

58:51

want to talk about fear. People

58:53

are scared shitless to say anything

58:55

about this. About the George

58:57

Floyd case? Yes, yes. First off, the guy's

59:00

a career criminal. I know they've turned him

59:02

into a saint but he's a career criminal.

59:04

There's a statue now there

59:06

in Minneapolis of George Floyd. It's gone.

59:09

Minneapolis is going to be about, I know a

59:11

guy who lives there, Rudy, does. He said, it's

59:13

on the way out. It'll be gone. Is he

59:15

going to say? No, no. The same

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people have to leave all these places with

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all these horrible policies. Why are you staying

59:21

in California? My kids

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are going to graduate in about three months and

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then I'll... You meet me in

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Florida? Are you going to Texas? Where are we going? You

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got a Murphy bed? I do not, but

59:33

I should. I know all of a

59:35

sudden it's like, hey, what's it like down there?

59:37

What do you think? It's paradise and you can

59:39

be yourself. By the way, you see people in

59:41

math. You see people who think that way, but

59:43

they have a choice and I respect their decision. You

59:46

know what's funny? You can always tell how

59:48

the news works because I'll talk to somebody

59:50

and they'll go, do you hear people moving

59:52

out of Florida now? And

59:54

I go, what? Oh, NBC came out the thing

59:56

and then you watch it. They interviewed 12 people.

1:00:00

They said it was too hot. Right. And it's

1:00:02

like, that ain't people moving out of Florida, NBC.

1:00:04

I get what you're doing. It's

1:00:06

time to start shifting the narrative, everybody. They're

1:00:08

good at it, though. People moving out of,

1:00:10

yes. More people are showing up to Florida

1:00:13

than leaving Florida. Now, if you want to

1:00:15

do a story about white

1:00:17

flight, then come to LA. You

1:00:20

can do that story, NBC. Those numbers are

1:00:22

squelched. Yes. Well,

1:00:25

speaking of Florida, so DeSantis

1:00:28

is actually proposing a bill

1:00:30

about banning lab-grown meats,

1:00:32

because this is going to be

1:00:34

a new thing. So

1:00:37

to prevent slaughtering animals, we're just going to

1:00:39

be able to grow our meat in a

1:00:41

lab, chicken, fish, and a few

1:00:44

other states are very good. What

1:00:46

are the other states? I'm sure. Arizona, Tennessee.

1:00:49

Wait a minute. What happened to

1:00:52

don't say gay? What happened to don't say gay,

1:00:54

Bill? Oh, that's just another thing.

1:00:56

That's Jim Eagle. That's Jim Crow 2.0.

1:00:59

That's all of it. I always said the words

1:01:01

were never even in there. They're not in there.

1:01:03

But these people get on stuff that's really important

1:01:05

to them, and then they forget about it almost

1:01:07

immediately. Do you remember what he expanded? Moment

1:01:10

of silence during women's basketball games. Oh,

1:01:12

yeah. Don't say gay because. And

1:01:14

we were told to be careful because of all of the news at

1:01:19

that moment that there are people who might

1:01:22

walk out from our show, our live

1:01:24

sports center show. And if the crew walks

1:01:26

out because of the stance in Florida and

1:01:28

there's employees for Disney and ESPN in Florida,

1:01:30

then be prepared. We might go to black.

1:01:32

We have a statement ready because people were

1:01:34

so upset over don't say

1:01:36

gay, which was not in the bill. Well,

1:01:39

what they do with don't say gay and

1:01:41

Jim Eagle and Jim Crow 2.0

1:01:43

is the exact same script we just

1:01:46

saw with the Spanish Soccer Federation. They

1:01:48

take something that didn't happen. Then

1:01:50

they all dive on it. Then they

1:01:52

build it up. Then they explain they're

1:01:55

outraged. Then they conflate other things.

1:01:57

Like, are you telling me Jim Crow

1:01:59

wasn't bad is like no no

1:02:01

that's not what we're saying you're saying

1:02:03

that gay shouldn't have the right to

1:02:05

bear that's not what we're talking about

1:02:08

you took something just like this guy

1:02:10

took a celebration and turned it into

1:02:12

sexual assault of women nobody's pro sexual

1:02:14

assault of women that's not what that

1:02:16

is and then you take it and

1:02:18

then you conflate it and then dumb

1:02:20

people and scared people buy in and

1:02:22

the next thing you know oh

1:02:25

the WNBA is weighing it that's what

1:02:27

they do they do the same with all three

1:02:29

of those stories exactly same none of them were

1:02:31

story none of it happened and by the way

1:02:33

nobody cares right where's the follow-up how come we

1:02:36

don't care what happened to him or her

1:02:38

I keep asking with all of these stories I have

1:02:40

for years why can try

1:02:43

what is the goal control of

1:02:45

all of this and the negativity

1:02:47

and what it is is it's

1:02:49

complete divisiveness especially with

1:02:51

the race card oh god is it that

1:02:54

simple it's control

1:02:56

it's control that we are willing

1:02:58

to accept with what happened with

1:03:00

COVID no yeah that's all well

1:03:03

not everybody I mean now there's a yeah

1:03:05

they don't want to go back they can't go back

1:03:07

and talk about all times are wrong because then we

1:03:09

may not listen to them in the future so they

1:03:11

just turn the page and now

1:03:14

you see if you're walking through CVS or

1:03:16

Walgreens now the announcements are COVID here to

1:03:18

stay you better get your booster shot and

1:03:20

now you need since people are questioning the

1:03:22

boosters let's hepatitis B you've ready to get

1:03:24

that like they're finding other ways to continue

1:03:26

to force fear we have got

1:03:28

a vaccine pharma wins we got someone

1:03:30

here has got a six-month-old wanting to

1:03:33

get a checkup and they suggested the

1:03:35

COVID shot for six months or a

1:03:37

six-month-old six-month-old oh my god I could

1:03:40

show you a clip of a couple of black women that

1:03:43

would drive you insane I don't

1:03:45

think I have time but what remember

1:03:47

the women talking about hair relaxer no

1:03:50

no no journalism at its finest journalism

1:03:52

at its finest and how it's racist

1:03:54

to not have the right products well I didn't

1:03:56

see that well it's start the

1:03:58

thing that's crazy about If anyone wants to

1:04:01

study big pharma and their connection with

1:04:03

news and how, you know, one hand

1:04:05

is washing the other, they

1:04:07

have these two women of color. They're

1:04:09

going to do a story about how

1:04:11

hair relaxer disproportionately affects women of color.

1:04:15

One of them clearly was relaxing her hair

1:04:18

quite often, so it was already didn't make

1:04:20

sense. They did three minutes

1:04:22

of hair relaxer talk and then they

1:04:24

seamlessly transitioned into four minutes of get

1:04:26

your child vaccinated talk, which then carried

1:04:28

a whole bunch of lies that went

1:04:30

along with it while they all just

1:04:32

stood there and nodded. I mean, if

1:04:35

you- So the relaxer products are racist.

1:04:38

And everything's racist, but if you

1:04:40

ever wanted to see a snapshot

1:04:42

of COVID and media

1:04:45

and big pharma and bought and sold,

1:04:47

look no further than that clip, which

1:04:49

was insane. They

1:04:52

rolled right into this doctor

1:04:54

who was explaining that everyone needed to be

1:04:57

vaccinated. I don't know how old or young

1:04:59

they were. I mean, they're all getting paid.

1:05:02

Every one of them. Well, I don't know. We'll play a minute

1:05:04

of it. You can fast forward

1:05:06

past the hair relaxer part, which

1:05:08

always kind of cracks me up. This

1:05:11

is a topic of COVID. On

1:05:13

Tuesday, President Biden announced vaccines are now available for

1:05:15

kids under the age of five. I

1:05:17

know a lot of parents out there have been waiting

1:05:19

forever for this announcement. What do you want to tell

1:05:21

them about- Nobody wants to. ... vaccinating their children

1:05:24

under five and how important that is? Unnecessary.

1:05:27

I'm going to keep talking. For one, I would hope

1:05:29

they see that it did take a long time

1:05:31

before this was rolled out because first, safety had

1:05:33

to be verified. And that is most important. The

1:05:35

second thing I want them to know is oftentimes

1:05:38

this was stated early on that kids are

1:05:40

protected. But what we know is that six

1:05:42

times the number of kids died from COVID

1:05:45

than the flu this past year, right?

1:05:47

We had 600 children who are no longer

1:05:49

with us from 2021 because of COVID-19. And

1:05:54

there is now a method to

1:05:56

help protect your child from being hospitalized

1:05:58

and keep them alive. to see next year.

1:06:00

And there's the same, you know, if you stay ready,

1:06:03

you don't have to get ready. Stop. All

1:06:07

right. We have to keep going. So saying that it gave

1:06:09

them a lot to see next year. And there's the

1:06:11

same, you know, if you stay ready, you don't have

1:06:14

to get ready. Keep your

1:06:16

kids vaccinated. Make sure that we're in those masks

1:06:18

and practice those same mitigating factors that we've been

1:06:20

doing now for two and a half years. What

1:06:23

we do know is that COVID-19 is

1:06:25

linked to a number of different disease

1:06:27

processes that we can already trace. You

1:06:30

know, they say, well, you can't tell

1:06:32

the long-term consequence to the vaccine. Well,

1:06:34

yes, we can. In this acute time,

1:06:36

we've now been, I've just got my

1:06:38

vaccine back in December 2020, right?

1:06:41

I was the first person at the University

1:06:44

of Virginia. We've now been able to attract

1:06:46

persons like me to see what has happened.

1:06:48

Has anything changed? But what we also know

1:06:50

is that we're attracting people who have COVID-19

1:06:53

children and adults alike. And what we know is

1:06:55

that one in every five persons who have been

1:06:57

infected with COVID-19 now has

1:06:59

a lingering disability where their organs, their

1:07:01

heart, their lungs, their kidneys, their brain

1:07:04

is no longer functioning in the same

1:07:06

way. They're lying.

1:07:08

She's a physician who goes on

1:07:10

MSNBC and lies. Completely

1:07:12

full of it. One out of

1:07:14

every five people that got COVID,

1:07:17

which is millions and millions and

1:07:19

millions of people has long-term organ

1:07:21

damage. If that were true, it

1:07:24

would be a health crisis that

1:07:26

was more catastrophic than plague and

1:07:28

malaria and everything biblical combined. That's

1:07:31

criminal. It's criminal. She's

1:07:33

shielding for the drug companies and

1:07:35

the criminal act is

1:07:38

how nobody fucking knows what's going on. I

1:07:40

thought we were just watching a piece about hair

1:07:43

product. And then they naturally transitioned

1:07:45

to that. What cracked me up was when it was,

1:07:48

the goalpost kept moving back and back and back.

1:07:50

And at first it was, if you're under 20,

1:07:52

you're fine. Don't worry

1:07:54

about it. Now we need six months old

1:07:56

babies to get vaccinated. And I

1:07:59

hope and. that these parents of the

1:08:01

youngsters, mine are older now, right? But even so,

1:08:03

no vaccines for me, for those kids. By the

1:08:05

way, people say, well, what about the other vaccines?

1:08:07

What about, okay, how long have they been around?

1:08:10

How much science have we been able to

1:08:12

do? How much research and study? That's different.

1:08:14

This chick, and I'm going to call her

1:08:16

doctor, she has a nice name tag, great,

1:08:18

white coat, we can all get one of

1:08:20

those. But at the end of the day,

1:08:23

like for her to say that, knowing

1:08:25

that the stats are completely fudged is

1:08:27

very irresponsible. That's a nice word for

1:08:29

it. And it makes me sad because

1:08:32

they continue to pass on this misinformation

1:08:34

and people listen. But where are all

1:08:36

the facts and the science and the

1:08:39

research about the vaccine injuries? Where's

1:08:41

all that? The video on the internet

1:08:43

that just gets completely scrubbed when you

1:08:45

have perfectly healthy people who, putting it

1:08:47

nicely, are no longer healthy, much less

1:08:49

keeling over dead in some cases. How

1:08:51

about the athletes? I always wanted

1:08:54

to know a little more about what happened on

1:08:56

LeBron James' son. By the grace of God, he's

1:08:58

okay. But all my thing

1:09:00

is, if I'm a parent, what

1:09:02

was he, 18 years old when it happened? If I'm a parent

1:09:05

and my perfectly healthy child

1:09:08

collapses on a basketball

1:09:10

court, I'm going to

1:09:13

go to that doctor and 52 doctors,

1:09:15

if I need to, and say, let's

1:09:17

rule out every potential possibility. When we

1:09:19

were doing the story, I

1:09:21

kept saying, guys, can we ask our

1:09:23

experts at ESPN, doctors, like, has

1:09:26

he been tested or had, excuse me,

1:09:28

has he been vaccinated? Like, you have

1:09:30

to ask that question if you care

1:09:32

about your child because you want to

1:09:34

eliminate any possibility. We couldn't even ask

1:09:37

the question because then that is what,

1:09:39

then you're anti-vaxxer. If something happens to

1:09:41

your baby, you kidding me?

1:09:43

I'm making sure that everything is

1:09:45

eliminated and people weren't even

1:09:47

allowed to ask the question. What does that

1:09:49

tell you? I wish you were my mom.

1:09:53

My kids don't always like it. Put it that

1:09:55

way. Let me talk to them. Please do.

1:09:57

I'll write you a check. I'll put my cozy socks on.

1:09:59

It's hard because as teenagers though, I

1:10:02

mean they just want to be

1:10:04

normal. They don't want their mom mouth and offer

1:10:06

their dad a medical. Coaches, teachers, things to my

1:10:08

kids. I feel bad. This entire

1:10:10

ordeal was predicated on people wanting

1:10:12

to get along, not being called

1:10:15

an anti-vaxxer, not being called anti-science,

1:10:17

not being called racist, not being

1:10:20

called homophobic. That it's all their

1:10:22

entire ruse is that we just

1:10:24

want to get along. And so

1:10:27

we'll go along with their bullshit

1:10:29

and that's why it works. But

1:10:32

it's just like the race stuff too where we

1:10:34

got to make sure that as a

1:10:37

white middle age man that you need

1:10:39

to know you are privileged. And

1:10:41

if you don't acknowledge that then you are a racist.

1:10:43

And by the way, what's the common denominator in all

1:10:45

of this? Money. Yes. Money.

1:10:49

Well they ran in the wrong ombre. Yes they did. Because

1:10:52

I dug footings with a coffee can

1:10:54

under condemned apartment buildings in Koreatown when

1:10:56

I was 19. So I

1:10:59

had zero privilege so it

1:11:01

doesn't work when they try to lay it on me so

1:11:03

they can all suck my dick. I love that. All right

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Mayhem Miller in studio. He's

1:13:44

ex, I don't know if I

1:13:46

want to say ex, a mixed

1:13:48

martial artist earlier in the UFC.

1:13:52

23 and 10, which is a, 23 and 10

1:13:54

is not a great, it's not

1:13:56

a spectacular boxing record, but it's a really

1:13:58

strong MMA. Record would you

1:14:00

agree with that? Well, you know, I gotta

1:14:03

update that because this is like I

1:14:05

come from a time where we

1:14:07

fought in these like underground type

1:14:10

tournaments even before The

1:14:12

TV deals and whatnot. They had

1:14:14

these crazy like underground events that

1:14:17

you know I really patted my record

1:14:19

over there. But yeah internet wise. Yeah,

1:14:21

it's not a bad record No, what

1:14:23

tell us about the underground man? It's

1:14:26

back in the day. What year we talking? We're

1:14:28

talking 98 1999

1:14:30

there was like You

1:14:33

know and I was like a kid 1890

1:14:35

yeah. Yeah, and you know, they would

1:14:38

have these events either at like a

1:14:40

veterans Hall

1:14:42

or maybe

1:14:44

a warehouse like and

1:14:47

just have tournaments like

1:14:49

have They're

1:14:51

at and just local Yahoo's would

1:14:53

come up 2,000 people max, you

1:14:55

know, it'd be like like

1:14:59

what's this called like a wedding

1:15:01

planners you would use those chairs

1:15:04

and Mark out

1:15:06

a janky cage or a ring, you know, I bought

1:15:08

a lot of fights in a ring and

1:15:10

yeah They would we would man it

1:15:12

was before really there was these

1:15:16

Were you wearing that MMA style? Yeah, and

1:15:18

then a gloves I fought before with no

1:15:20

gloves There was head butts

1:15:23

legal It

1:15:25

was you know It was before they really

1:15:27

like tweaked and figured out all the details

1:15:29

of fighting Yeah, it was it was a

1:15:32

very strange time in my life as a

1:15:34

teenage boy fighting grown men In

1:15:37

front of a you know bloodthirsty

1:15:39

crowd, but your record would

1:15:41

be padded Yeah, they counted those are sanctioned

1:15:44

fights. Yeah, they were saying that you know

1:15:46

is weird. They had Sanctioning

1:15:49

bodies, but it was the

1:15:51

athletic commissions of each individual

1:15:53

states, Georgia, Virginia They would

1:15:55

they would have the athletic commission there,

1:15:58

but it was not not exactly

1:16:02

above board as you say today.

1:16:04

You know, these days, much different.

1:16:07

So where was this? This was Virginia,

1:16:09

Georgia mostly. Like, because I lived in

1:16:11

Atlanta for a big part of my

1:16:13

career, early days. You

1:16:16

know, Jiu-Jitsu was like just

1:16:19

bursting onto the scene. So it'd be

1:16:21

me against some wild redneck that

1:16:23

didn't know any Jiu-Jitsu and I could

1:16:25

just magically ham him up real quick.

1:16:27

It was a crazy time. I

1:16:30

was told to ask you by Nate, the

1:16:33

guy I make all the docs with in the

1:16:35

next room about slapping Danny Bonaducci because

1:16:38

Nate knows the MMA world real well

1:16:40

and says there's a case. But I

1:16:42

don't know what the story was. I've

1:16:44

worked with Bonaducci. You know, it's past

1:16:46

the, you know, seven

1:16:49

years I think it is, where he

1:16:51

has statute of limitations. So yeah, I

1:16:53

definitely gave him a good hand

1:16:56

to the face outside legends gym. There

1:16:58

was a gym that Randy Couture had and

1:17:00

my old manager Jeremy Lappin. And

1:17:02

he walked by and at the time I

1:17:05

was on the Jason Ellis show all the

1:17:07

time and they were beefing and I gave

1:17:09

him the what for outside. And he

1:17:12

said, you know, Bonaducci, Bonaducci

1:17:15

invited me to slap him in the face.

1:17:18

Oh, that's kind of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

1:17:20

I was like, I was so shocked that he

1:17:22

did it. I just impulsively gave

1:17:24

him the what for in front of

1:17:26

like a spin class. I

1:17:29

don't know, only in Hollywood, only in

1:17:31

Hollywood. The weirdest. Do you guys, speaking

1:17:34

of that, I was just popped in

1:17:36

my head, it's pretty famous footage. The

1:17:38

John Stossel when he got the open

1:17:40

hand, Smackdown from the

1:17:42

Pro Wrestler. You ever see

1:17:44

that? No. You guys know what I'm

1:17:46

talking about? I can't imagine the John Stossel, the

1:17:49

respected journalist would be in that kind of

1:17:51

business. He was like in

1:17:54

a hallway at an event, backstage

1:17:56

or something, doing his thing. And

1:17:59

he was talking about. wrestling being fake.

1:18:02

And he said it to, you know, Randy Macho

1:18:04

Man Savage or somebody. It wasn't that guy,

1:18:06

but it was somebody and that guy's like, you

1:18:08

think he's fake brother? And he just takes

1:18:10

his open palm and just smacks him in the

1:18:13

ear, knocks him down. He bursts his eardrum.

1:18:15

David Schultz. David Schultz was the wrestler. And

1:18:17

then and he gets back up

1:18:20

and he smacks him with the eye. I

1:18:22

mean he, well it's like he's

1:18:24

saying, by the way,

1:18:26

he's saying wrestling is fake, not him

1:18:28

getting smacked in the head. That's real.

1:18:31

It's a crazy. I like it better

1:18:33

than it would be Randy

1:18:37

Macho Man Savage though, you know, like need a

1:18:39

little slap in the face. Oh

1:18:41

yeah. You know, that's way behind the

1:18:44

clip of it. It is, it's

1:18:46

MSG. It's the real deal. And

1:18:49

I'm just gonna show it because you guys have never seen

1:18:52

it before. I asked Schultz questions that

1:18:54

I assume all wrestlers have been asked. I've seen it

1:18:56

before. It's a good business. Yeah, it's a good business.

1:18:58

I wouldn't be in it if it wasn't. Why is

1:19:01

it a good business? Because only the tough survive. That's

1:19:03

the reason you ain't in it. And this punk holding

1:19:05

the camera, he ain't in it. Read these red necks

1:19:07

out here, ain't in it because it's a tough business.

1:19:11

That's correct. What is that? All you

1:19:13

got? I'll ask you the standard question, you

1:19:15

know, standard question. I think it's fake. You

1:19:17

think it's fake? It's

1:19:20

not going to the ground. What the hell is

1:19:22

wrong with you? That's open hand slap. You think

1:19:24

it's fake? That left, that was a solid laugh.

1:19:26

That's he

1:19:31

had his eardrum puncture. I mean, I'm telling you

1:19:33

that he put his ass into that. Like that

1:19:35

was core strength right there. Did you do that

1:19:37

to the dooch man? I gave him the, it

1:19:42

was surreal that that was even happening. So yeah,

1:19:44

I mean, I gave him a good one, but

1:19:46

you don't buy no means versus your drum. Let

1:19:48

me give you a little tip. There's kids listening.

1:19:51

You don't confront a wrestler and

1:19:53

ask him if it's fake because you're going

1:19:55

to get the hand. But if you

1:19:57

see some fake titties, you can bring

1:19:59

that up. Because you might just get

1:20:01

a mouthful. How would one bringing this

1:20:04

up in a very genial manner? Do

1:20:06

they feel real? I don't know. I'm

1:20:08

saying mess with the fake

1:20:10

titties. Don't mess with the fake wrestling

1:20:12

That's all I got so far. I'm

1:20:14

gonna hash this out. So So

1:20:18

Jason you grow up in I

1:20:20

mean you grow up scrapping you're doing this

1:20:23

When do you when's your first UFC

1:20:25

fight? This is a UFC 52. Mm-hmm.

1:20:27

I thought uh Unknown

1:20:30

guy named George St. Pierre. Oh

1:20:33

my god. Yeah, and I

1:20:35

what was he at that time? I mean,

1:20:37

he was like Canadian champ or some kind

1:20:39

of, you know Legend. Yeah,

1:20:41

and then yeah, of course he went on

1:20:43

to be a really great champion, you know

1:20:45

many years I gave I'm the first guy

1:20:47

to take him to distance. It was like

1:20:49

a damn Tough ass

1:20:51

fight like right one of those I had

1:20:54

to pack a lunch, you know Yeah,

1:20:56

but you see you don't know who you're

1:20:58

getting but you don't know the guy's gonna

1:21:00

be an all-time legend Yeah, of course. Yeah,

1:21:03

I'm right. That's how you build, you know,

1:21:05

that's how you build things up the today

1:21:07

is like guy fight, you know, I see

1:21:09

the guys fighting on these small cards and

1:21:12

Every once in a while you can pick out. Oh,

1:21:15

there's somebody special You know, I mean and I got

1:21:17

my eyes on a few guys now that I can

1:21:19

see okay This guy will be a dominant

1:21:21

force in his weight class And you

1:21:23

know, you don't know it until you see it until

1:21:25

he showcase it against Another

1:21:28

tough guy, you know, usually you want to

1:21:30

put like one of those talented guys against

1:21:32

a tough guy They'll give him a challenge,

1:21:34

but you know More

1:21:37

than likely not have the ability to defeat him.

1:21:39

So that way you can slowly bring them

1:21:42

along I know that you're very educated about

1:21:44

boxing and you realize what it takes to

1:21:46

build up a champion and And it really

1:21:48

takes a lot of that getting the nerves

1:21:50

out like putting the guys against

1:21:53

increasingly more difficult challenge so that they

1:21:55

can either rise up there or you

1:21:58

know fall off Yeah,

1:22:00

so you go too early when someone

1:22:02

is too good and you kind of

1:22:04

break these guys and you line up

1:22:06

too many tomato cans and they don't

1:22:08

really build up any calluses or muscles

1:22:10

or you know, fight smarts

1:22:12

or anything. So it's just this weird kind

1:22:15

of ratcheting up the resistance

1:22:17

but not throwing on 500

1:22:20

pounds onto the barbell. It's 10 pounds

1:22:22

at a time. And

1:22:24

so for you, how much better

1:22:27

is the technique now of

1:22:29

MMA since it is its

1:22:31

own sport versus this collection of

1:22:34

other sports that people show up

1:22:36

different disciplines, wrestling, jiu jitsu box

1:22:38

and kickboxing, then I'll just show

1:22:40

up and sort of see which discipline worked

1:22:42

the best. Now, if

1:22:45

you're 22 years old and you're fighting

1:22:47

in the UFC, you grow up as UFC

1:22:49

as your sport. Yeah. And so

1:22:51

obviously the technique's improved. Yeah, well,

1:22:55

improved and evolved. It's like really, like, it's

1:22:57

the ebb and flow of the game. You

1:22:59

see a lot of guys, you know, coming

1:23:01

out of Dagestand with the dominant wrestling game.

1:23:04

And I believe in

1:23:06

large part that is because

1:23:09

the fighters here in America have

1:23:11

developed more of a kickboxing style

1:23:14

to, you know, kind of give the fans what they want. Everybody

1:23:17

wants to see a nice stand up war. But

1:23:20

the reality is that wrestling can

1:23:22

really dominate a mixed martial

1:23:24

arts match if you can not

1:23:27

only decide where the fight goes,

1:23:29

but also, you know, take

1:23:32

it to the ground when you feel like

1:23:34

it or have a better clench game than

1:23:36

the other fighter. The

1:23:40

variety of techniques are going

1:23:44

up as time goes on

1:23:46

and guys are really adapting

1:23:48

and re-adapting. And it's funny

1:23:50

that mixed martial arts is

1:23:52

playing out just like a

1:23:54

fight. It's come back

1:23:56

full circle to being a little

1:23:58

more wrestling dominant. a while

1:24:01

before in the, eh,

1:24:03

10 years ago, it was way more

1:24:05

striking dominated. It's coming

1:24:07

along. It's very strange to watch

1:24:10

the airmen flow. Who were your,

1:24:13

what are your biggest marquee fights over your career?

1:24:15

I mean, we got St. Pierre. I, yeah, the

1:24:17

St. Pierre fight was a big one. I,

1:24:20

you know, in my career in

1:24:22

Japan was really like where I

1:24:24

kind of stood out. I defeated

1:24:28

Kazushi Sakuraba, who was like, you know,

1:24:30

they're the Gracie Hunter guy who never

1:24:33

got tapped out. And I tapped

1:24:35

him out in a couple minutes and,

1:24:38

and, you know, became

1:24:40

kind of a mainstay in Japanese

1:24:43

mixed martial arts. I

1:24:45

also defeated Robbie

1:24:47

Lawler at one point in my career.

1:24:50

We had like a big war.

1:24:52

Robbie Lawler has to be

1:24:55

Mount Rushmore of toughest guys. Man.

1:24:58

I mean, that guy's had some- Listen here,

1:25:00

but he- Pure wars. See, listen,

1:25:03

the first round of that fight was

1:25:05

like, I was shocked

1:25:07

because I had worked a lot of

1:25:09

kickboxing and the whole style, I realized

1:25:11

that, okay, stay away from this guy's

1:25:13

big bombs. So I like kicked his

1:25:15

legs and moved off to the side

1:25:17

and just was just put

1:25:19

on the technical demonstration of kickboxing. And

1:25:22

my coroner said, hey, he's going to

1:25:24

come out here crazy this round in between

1:25:27

the rounds. They said, he's going to come out crazy.

1:25:29

And I was like, yeah, yeah, I got this. I

1:25:31

got this buddy. He

1:25:33

pushed me back to the corner. And

1:25:35

before I knew it, I was sitting on the ground and I

1:25:37

was like, how the hell did I get on the ground right

1:25:39

now? And we were just rolling

1:25:41

around for, oh man, like the

1:25:44

four minutes of the round, he's just beating on

1:25:47

me. And I got to

1:25:49

the point where I realized how bad I was looking. I

1:25:51

told the referee, I'm okay. I'm okay. Don't

1:25:54

stop it. Don't stop it. I talked to the ref. I

1:25:56

went back and sat on the stool and told my coroner,

1:25:58

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm

1:26:00

sorry. Yeah, because he just worked me for

1:26:02

that whole round. And then the third

1:26:09

round, I realized that he was tight. See, he's

1:26:11

just beating a hungry man. He gave me the

1:26:13

business. And then I was

1:26:15

just doing whatever I could to survive in there. And

1:26:17

I'm talking to the ref right here. I'm going to

1:26:19

say, and I'm OK. And then

1:26:22

the third round, I came out and just, my

1:26:26

conditioning level was high enough where I could tap

1:26:29

him out. So it

1:26:31

was. Oh, tapping out. Yeah, that's a

1:26:33

big win, because Robbie Lawler is a

1:26:37

legendary guy. Like, I take nothing from him.

1:26:39

That was my night. But man, he went

1:26:41

on to have a really great

1:26:43

career as a champion. And I'm

1:26:47

very proud of that night, because it was a tough

1:26:49

one. He made me earn that one. And

1:26:52

then ran into trouble afterwards for

1:26:54

you. I mean, I remember

1:26:56

talking to you or seeing you interview drugs

1:26:59

or booze or insanity.

1:27:01

You know, yeah, like, what year

1:27:03

was that? That was,

1:27:06

I don't know, maybe going 10

1:27:08

years. Five years and

1:27:10

seven years between five and 10 years, where

1:27:13

I had, like, I don't

1:27:16

know, a really dark period.

1:27:19

You know, there's no, once

1:27:21

you lose fights, get injured, and

1:27:24

your resources kind of dry up, where

1:27:26

you don't have the management and this

1:27:28

kind of thing, it's really difficult to

1:27:33

navigate from the fight

1:27:35

world. Where do you go? To

1:27:37

the normal world? Like, what's normal

1:27:40

after you've done all that? So

1:27:43

I had, like, a really challenging time trying

1:27:46

to figure my way up out of

1:27:48

that. And luckily, now, I have

1:27:50

a really solid group

1:27:53

of people around me. I work with this MVP

1:27:56

program, merchant veterans and

1:27:58

players. They work a

1:28:01

lot with the veterans

1:28:03

who have this type of

1:28:06

same kind of life

1:28:10

where you have a structured

1:28:12

lifestyle that's all laid out for you

1:28:14

and then afterwards you don't have much

1:28:16

to go to. So

1:28:20

it's really been fulfilling for me

1:28:22

to help my brothers that went into

1:28:24

the military and came

1:28:28

out trying to find their path

1:28:30

and now I have a chance to kind of

1:28:32

help them through that too. So

1:28:35

even though you don't really call it

1:28:37

that, you're sober now? No, yeah, I

1:28:39

don't. Yeah, exactly right. I don't

1:28:41

know. I

1:28:44

like that nomenclature, sober. Yeah,

1:28:46

because for me I was like

1:28:48

stuck in this path of even if I

1:28:51

wasn't drinking or whatnot I was smoking and

1:28:53

you know I was getting just

1:28:56

I was blurry a lot. I

1:28:58

spent a good long time of my

1:29:00

life real blurry post fighting because I

1:29:03

guess I just needed this kind of

1:29:05

adrenaline from something and now I gave

1:29:07

all that up and my

1:29:09

brain is functioning a lot

1:29:11

better but I didn't realize what I was

1:29:14

doing to myself. Well you know

1:29:16

if you kind of think about it, for

1:29:20

those who drink or

1:29:22

those who smoke or

1:29:24

those who do anything,

1:29:26

what they don't really realize is

1:29:28

there are times when you

1:29:31

want those things. You know

1:29:33

like they'll say it's funny, you know I was a

1:29:35

kid you'd hear these songs and you'd be like son

1:29:37

you're going to drive me to drink it and if

1:29:39

you don't quit driving that hot ride like it and

1:29:41

you go drive me to drink it and drive me

1:29:43

to drink it but they'd say that and these country

1:29:45

songs and say oh you drive me to drink it

1:29:48

and then you undergo a lot of stress

1:29:50

for a period of time and you go

1:29:52

oh yeah I'm having a drink tonight. There's

1:29:54

a reason that like a punchy

1:29:57

old prize fighter drunk and getting

1:29:59

in trouble. is a trope. There's

1:30:02

a reason. And I

1:30:04

never thought that I would be that. And then

1:30:06

one day, you know, I was

1:30:08

drinking whiskey on 11 o'clock on

1:30:10

a Tuesday and I was like,

1:30:12

yeah, yeah. And I was like,

1:30:14

oh man, I'm that guy now.

1:30:17

Oh my god. You know, it

1:30:19

was, I still stayed that guy

1:30:21

for years after that realization until,

1:30:25

you know, there's some, I wish it could

1:30:27

have, I could have pushed that up faster

1:30:29

and I don't know how I could

1:30:31

have pushed some realization, you know,

1:30:34

some clarity. I wish

1:30:36

I could have pushed it up further and the best that I

1:30:38

can do is, you know, offer a

1:30:40

helping hand to whoever the hell is going

1:30:42

through that now, you know, like, yeah, no,

1:30:44

that's a lot. No, but that, that's

1:30:47

good for your sobriety

1:30:49

or whatever it is we're calling it

1:30:52

as well. And the reason I'm

1:30:54

saying that is sometimes

1:31:00

helping other people. I don't mean helping other

1:31:03

people, just sort of showing them stuff like

1:31:05

it. You're really

1:31:07

saying it to yourself as much as you're saying it

1:31:09

to the person, you know, when you're going, hey man,

1:31:12

you're a much better person when you're not

1:31:14

on drugs and not drinking and not getting

1:31:16

scrapped with the laws. Like you're saying it

1:31:18

to them, but you're essentially saying it into

1:31:21

a mirror as well. And, you know, it's

1:31:23

that way with people,

1:31:25

I've always said people come over, want to see

1:31:27

my car collection and then they go, thank you,

1:31:30

thank you, thank you for giving me the, me

1:31:32

and my dad, the tour of

1:31:34

the cars. I always go, I like

1:31:36

it. Like it makes me appreciate it, you know,

1:31:38

I was just over at Leno's shop and he's

1:31:40

always given someone a tour every time you walk

1:31:42

in. He's walking some groups at the shop and

1:31:44

you go, it's so magnanimous

1:31:47

of him to take time out.

1:31:49

But you're not really taking time

1:31:51

out. He's just standing there going,

1:31:54

that McLaren F1 paid 800 grand

1:31:56

for it, turned down 20 million

1:31:59

last week. And then he's going, oh

1:32:02

my God, he's feeling good about himself,

1:32:04

you know? And I think a lot

1:32:06

of giving back and working with the

1:32:08

community and all that, while

1:32:10

it is magnanimous, it's also, you're doing

1:32:12

it, you're saying it to yourself. It's

1:32:14

a bit selfish, yeah. Well, not selfish,

1:32:16

but you're saying those words. Being selfish

1:32:18

is a selfish kind of thing where

1:32:20

you're, yeah, you're reinforcing, you're right, you're

1:32:22

absolutely right about that. Because I catch

1:32:24

myself, you know, if I have idle

1:32:27

hands and I'm like sitting alone, I

1:32:29

kind of get blurry and maybe some kind of cravings

1:32:32

will creep in, but if I'm

1:32:34

reinforcing that, hey bud, let's stay

1:32:36

clean, let's stay focused on whatever

1:32:39

big task that we're trying to accomplish,

1:32:41

then it's easier for me to, you

1:32:44

know, not even get into that zone,

1:32:46

you know? Yeah, I just don't think

1:32:48

that people, like, I

1:32:52

don't think my dad's ever, I

1:32:54

can confidently say that my 93 old

1:32:56

dad's never been drunk a day in his life. Really?

1:32:59

Never. And I don't think

1:33:01

he's ever had, I don't

1:33:03

think he's ever had a whiskey in his life. He may

1:33:05

have had, my dad's had

1:33:07

between nine and 13 beers his

1:33:10

entire life and he's 93 or so. His

1:33:12

whole career. His entire career. He's never

1:33:14

been drunk, but on the other hand, he

1:33:17

hasn't experienced that feeling

1:33:19

of walking off stage

1:33:22

in a kind of relief and being covered with

1:33:24

sweat and going, I need a drink, you know

1:33:26

what I mean? Getting out

1:33:28

of the octagon and

1:33:30

getting your hand raised. Listen, I-

1:33:32

Or not, that night going, I

1:33:34

need a drink. I'll tell you what, listen, and

1:33:37

there's a, I'm sure there's a genetic component to

1:33:39

it. I'm not a scientist, but I

1:33:42

will say like, okay, for years, hated

1:33:44

my dad pretty much, hated him. And

1:33:46

it's weird that it drove me in

1:33:48

my career to fight better, kind

1:33:50

of, you know, like, every day

1:33:52

I was kind of whipping my dad's ass in

1:33:55

a little, yeah, I use, I focused that energy,

1:33:57

this kind of, cause I was mad cause my

1:33:59

dad, you know. He had drinking

1:34:01

problems and was like kind of a

1:34:03

monster in my youth and it made

1:34:05

me mad and I Always in

1:34:07

my head. I'm like, I'm never gonna be

1:34:10

like that never and so for many years,

1:34:12

you know for my entire career You know,

1:34:14

I would drink here and there or like

1:34:16

after a fight after, you know Go party

1:34:18

but then back to work and no don't

1:34:20

do that Don't do that and then life

1:34:23

piled on me bat, you

1:34:25

know lose fights and get injured

1:34:27

and got bad, you know trauma

1:34:29

happens and then the

1:34:31

hot rod Lincoln comes up and I'm driving

1:34:33

to drinking and you know And then I

1:34:36

totally understood him like I understood, you

1:34:38

know I remember I was in California

1:34:41

and the first time I kind of forgave my dad

1:34:43

a little bit was I heard that song a boy

1:34:45

Named Sue and I was like no

1:34:47

wonder he was so tough on me because he

1:34:49

knew that the world is Tough

1:34:51

and like you got to be tough to

1:34:53

make it in this world And I

1:34:56

and I called him and was like hey, man I

1:34:58

just want to let you know and I had talked to him a

1:35:00

couple years and I was like hey, man I just want

1:35:02

you know, I love you. He's like, are you on

1:35:04

drugs? That was his first you want drugs and I

1:35:06

was like, no, no I just you know, I heard

1:35:09

the song and he's like, oh, yeah, I know that song and

1:35:12

that was the extent of the conversation That was it.

1:35:14

He's like, all right. Well, I've good one,

1:35:16

you know I you know and then we kind

1:35:18

of settle back into it now I blew him

1:35:20

out to watch me fight and and and you'll

1:35:22

see and then did you win? Yeah. No, hell

1:35:25

no I love that was George St. Pierre one

1:35:27

and I you know, yeah, it was uh, you

1:35:30

know It was fights on here the the

1:35:32

big memory I saw about the big ones in the small

1:35:34

ones The wins and

1:35:36

losses I'm curious about I was curious about the

1:35:38

biggest wins and the biggest losses. I

1:35:41

lost a bunch Well, I

1:35:43

mean there's no shame in George St. Pierre cuz

1:35:45

he's really an all-timer I think he even retired

1:35:47

for a while and then came back. Yeah, and

1:35:49

you still hated your dad Do you think that

1:35:51

it would have helped? You know, what

1:35:53

do you mean? If I would I because you're using

1:35:56

it, but now you flew him out there. Yeah,

1:35:58

maybe it would have helped I don't

1:36:00

know, you know, the reality of the situation

1:36:03

was that like I hated him for

1:36:06

something he might not have been

1:36:09

able to control really and I didn't

1:36:11

realize that until I got stuck into

1:36:13

drinking and Like kind of it

1:36:15

was part of me that I

1:36:18

had to face. I had to realize okay

1:36:20

when I drink I Don't

1:36:22

stop I get keep it

1:36:24

going and keep it going and it's

1:36:27

something within me You know, there's it's

1:36:30

it was Again, I'm not a

1:36:32

scientist But if you look at

1:36:34

history It was artificially selected for the guys

1:36:36

who won the battles were the guys who

1:36:38

were drunk But not drunk

1:36:40

not too drunk so they could win the battles,

1:36:43

right? Go spread your feet

1:36:45

after that and that happened thousands and

1:36:47

thousands times down through history. Dr. Drew

1:36:49

He says the survivors, you know are

1:36:51

the alcoholics. Yeah, and they are all

1:36:53

the wars and the Vikings and everything.

1:36:56

My dad Would

1:36:58

have been a comfort lady for the

1:37:00

enemy They

1:37:02

wouldn't even kill them they'd used him or sex

1:37:05

That's right. There had to be a couple of gay guys on

1:37:07

the other side of the battlefield But

1:37:10

but the drunkards are the survivors.

1:37:12

Those are the warriors and the

1:37:14

Vikings Yeah I think about that

1:37:16

mentality and so right now that we

1:37:18

live long lives and don't you

1:37:20

know It's it's one

1:37:22

of those things like an appendix like

1:37:24

something. We don't need it Don't need

1:37:26

it like and you don't really need

1:37:28

this but the sickness is in my

1:37:31

head I got this like genetic abnormality

1:37:33

or maybe you know normality

1:37:35

where you get Stuck

1:37:37

in Cycle of I need

1:37:40

this I need this you know, like oh,

1:37:42

yeah, I'm fine Then you know waking up

1:37:44

and I'll have a drink. I have a

1:37:46

beer at lunch and then you know There's

1:37:49

plenty of people who? Don't go

1:37:52

to prison who drink, you know what

1:37:54

I mean daily But I ain't that

1:37:56

guy like eventually it leads me to a dark

1:37:59

road and I don't want to go there again.

1:38:01

Well good. Yeah. Were you in prison?

1:38:03

I was. For how long? A couple years.

1:38:05

How was it that long? I

1:38:08

just remember hearing

1:38:10

about it and I just

1:38:12

remember kind of going oh this guy's I

1:38:14

think he's lost it. No

1:38:16

hey I ran into you during a

1:38:18

period where I was feral. I went

1:38:20

to your show. Like went to your

1:38:23

show. Yeah it reminds me. Yeah and

1:38:25

I had a crazy mohawk. Yeah I

1:38:27

was like living the real dark lifestyle