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The Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The

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Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day,

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Joe Rogan podcast

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by night, all day. Don't do

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that man, don't do

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that man, don't start with that. Birds

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flying high, you know how I feel.

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They tried to do you dirty. Dripped

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in on by, you know how I

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feel. They tried it. They tried

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to set you up. It's

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a new day, it's a new

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dawn. They tried to label you.

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It's a new life for me and I'm feeling good. You look good,

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you look real good. Where'd you get that suit?

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Who made that suit for you? La

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Cartino out of Brooklyn is some Korean tailors

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that I've been working with for the last two years. Nice. And

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they're trying to make me go from Ashley to Claire's seat and it's a new

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day. I think it looks great. And another

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thing you don't know about this suit, Joe,

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I smell as good as this suit looks.

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Okay. What are you

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using for smell? What is

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it called? A portrait of a lady.

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It's an Arabic company. That's

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all I know. And I

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got a guy that outsources my colognes and shit and he got this one.

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What do you do, like a little hair, a little hair and a little

1:11

on the wrists? How do you do it? I smell.

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Would you spray it and walk through it? That's a cool... I

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spray it, walk through it and then

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I... I do that an anointing

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and I'm like okay, we get it, you got some nice cologne

1:22

on right now. But it's

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good to be here. There's something nice about a nice

1:26

suit, man. It does make you look professional. It makes

1:28

you work on your posture. And

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one thing I did, another thing that I came here today,

1:33

and it was my intent, Joe, to break all the

1:36

stereotypes. So I got here 20 minutes earlier,

1:38

then I was supposed to be here. You came 20

1:40

minutes late. You enforced the stereotypes.

1:43

And I wore a suit

1:45

without a court date, without a funeral, and

1:48

without a marriage proceeding. So this

1:50

is the whole thing of Donnell in

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a new day and changing his life. I'm

1:54

going through a transition. What

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motivated this? Law

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and Order. Law

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and Order didn't

2:03

motivate this. Law and Order, first off,

2:06

Law and Order is one of the

2:08

most respected franchises in

2:10

the history of- It's been

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around a long time. Shout out to- Shout out to IT.

2:15

Shout out to Dick Wolf and shout

2:17

out to everybody that's a part of that. And

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they say in New York, they say that you

2:23

can't call yourself an actor in New

2:25

York unless you've been in Law and Order. That

2:27

makes sense. It makes so many- I mean, how

2:29

many versions do they have? I've

2:32

been in every- when I first began in my

2:34

career, people really thought I was a dramatic actor

2:36

more than a comic. I was booking a lot

2:38

of stuff. I've been on every

2:41

one of the episodes- not

2:43

episodes, the shows, and

2:45

out of them, I think 80% of them,

2:47

I was arrested. And

2:51

I was like, wait a minute, am I gonna get a typecast every

2:53

time I say action? I'm like, and what'd I do?

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What'd I do this time? Every

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one of them, I gotta arrest them

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for something. How many of them are there?

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How many Law and Orders are there, James? Special

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victims? Special victims. I'm

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gonna say- I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna

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say five. Five different

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Law and Orders. Homicide was technically part of it too.

3:16

Okay. Oh, maybe no, this is

3:18

related. Never mind, hold on. You

3:20

got Law and Order, Special

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Victims Unit. Two. Organized

3:24

crime. Three. I'm gonna say this

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series, Law and Order Toronto Criminal Intent. Four.

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SGVML. Five. Filed

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by Jury. Six. LA. Seven.

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True Crime. Eight. Hate

3:38

Crimes. Oh, this is in development. Hate

3:40

Crimes. Order Defense. They could have a whole show

3:42

dedicated to hate crimes. Oh

3:44

my God. But that brand is like- and I don't think those guys- I

3:47

mean, did Wolf and Arthur Foreman, when I

3:49

first- I did it years ago, when

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I first did it, Arthur Foreman was the director

3:53

when I did it. And that was like,

3:55

I think, like in 2000. And

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then recently- people love

4:00

to watch those shows where they get

4:02

the bad guy. You

4:05

have to catch the bad guy. You have

4:07

to have a bad guy. You have a bad guy and you

4:09

got to catch him. But

4:12

everybody is more interested in

4:14

the bad guy more than anything. That's in

4:17

life general. That's why

4:19

you find so many people that necessarily don't

4:21

have a lot of talent but they subscribe

4:23

to the bad guy side of it and

4:25

want to be negative and then

4:27

everybody draws to that. The bad guy is

4:29

winning like a motherfucker. The

4:32

bad guy is winning. In what

4:34

way? Yes. In

4:36

what way? I'll just say it like this.

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I'm not being specific to anybody in general. Even

4:41

in the world of

4:44

podcasts right now. The

4:48

model for a lot of people now is say

4:50

some outlandish shit. Say some

4:53

shit that's going to piss somebody off. Say

4:55

some shit that's going to make people

4:57

hate you and now you have

5:00

a platform and you have a successful

5:02

platform because at the end of the

5:04

day with this it's all about engagement.

5:07

It's all about can you get people

5:09

to engage. At the

5:11

end of the day if you can do that whether

5:13

people like you or not you win. But

5:19

I think people get tired of that. They get

5:21

tired of conflict. If your whole

5:23

business is conflict people don't want to be

5:25

in conflict all the time and they realize

5:27

that a lot of conflict is unnecessary. If

5:30

you're the type of person that likes to

5:32

talk about conflict constantly and talk about it

5:34

online you probably also are willingly participating in

5:36

it maybe a little too willingly. Maybe

5:39

you're creating problems in your own

5:42

life even as you get attention. Be

5:47

careful what you wish for. If

5:49

you're known for just talking shit about

5:51

people and then you become successful then

5:54

people are going to talk shit about

5:56

you. They're all going to come after you. They

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don't have a conscience

6:02

to even care about that. Yeah, but

6:04

everybody has a conscience. I just think

6:07

we accept a certain amount of bullshit.

6:09

We accept it. And I

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think you should just concentrate on doing

6:13

whatever the fuck you do well. You

6:15

don't have to just say

6:17

outlandish shit and

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be so negative. I just don't think it's necessary.

6:23

You don't, but you are living in a different

6:25

world than Black Twitter. It

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does work against people's attention.

6:32

No, who you're speaking to?

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Yes. But Black Twitter

6:36

and on these urban

6:39

sites, you could

6:41

be negative for years and years

6:43

and years and years and years

6:45

and years. And a motherfucker will

6:47

come up. And that's the truth. You

6:50

are around a world of, oh,

6:53

he's a John and Goodfellow. But

6:55

in that dark world, in that Black Twitter

6:57

world, it's a lot, lot

7:00

of negativity. And it's very unfortunate.

7:03

That is unfortunate. That's

7:06

a very unfortunate thing. I don't

7:09

enjoy that. I get it. Black Twitter?

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No, insulting people, getting mad

7:13

at people. At a certain point in your

7:15

life, I realize that there's

7:18

no room for that in life. You

7:20

don't have to. You can avoid it for the

7:22

most part. If you get avoided in your immediate

7:24

life, you could probably avoid it in your internet

7:27

life too. I think you avoid that conflict and

7:29

negative energy the more successful

7:31

you become, because I think

7:33

that creates a, I don't give a fuck about

7:35

bullshit attitude. I think a lot

7:37

of anger and a lot of frustration that

7:39

comes with a lot of people is the beginning of the

7:41

stage. It's the beginning of the stages. But

7:44

when you get – like we were talking about

7:47

it earlier. Damn it.

7:50

Fuck. You gave me that joint too quick. You

7:52

gave me that motherfucking joint too quick. We

7:54

were talking – this

7:57

is a bad one. Because

8:00

I try to get that pause to get

8:02

my thought back. I don't know what the

8:05

fuck you just gave me but it just erased

8:07

everything I was just thinking about. You

8:09

were talking about as you get successful,

8:12

it's easier to avoid conflict which I

8:14

probably agree with. Also,

8:16

you're comfortable enough where you could

8:18

recognize the patterns that are beneficial

8:21

and not beneficial to you in

8:23

your life and conflict is never

8:25

beneficial to me. Even

8:28

conflict that I've engaged in that... So that's been

8:30

your entire... That's been your

8:32

entire, not even as a fucking

8:34

young Joe Rogan, you didn't

8:37

have to end you like fuck this or fuck

8:39

that motherfucker. You always been this calm. You've

8:42

always been this collected and this calm your entire

8:44

career. No, definitely not. So that goes to my

8:46

point. Yeah, but I learned how to do it

8:48

because I realized, you know what happened once man?

8:51

This is a true story. I was watching this

8:53

dude on stage and I was hoping that he

8:55

was bombing. I was hoping he would bomb because

8:57

he went on after me. I

8:59

didn't want him to do well and I

9:01

realized to go, what a bitch ass way

9:03

to think that is. To

9:05

want someone to not do well. I was 21 and

9:08

I'll never forget it. But that's the age though Joe. That's

9:11

the age when you're like fuck it. That's

9:13

it, night night. By now at that

9:15

age, everyone is so

9:18

ambitious and competitive that was getting into

9:20

comedy at that time that it was

9:22

like... It

9:25

wasn't very... There wasn't a lot of

9:27

camaraderie between the open mikers because everybody

9:29

was like super desperate. You

9:31

remember the desperate days where you weren't sure if

9:33

you were ever going to be a professional? Like

9:36

those desperate days. I've never felt

9:39

that way. Never? I'm

9:41

telling you, that's not being

9:43

cocky or whatever you want to say. I've

9:45

never felt that way. The

9:48

first to open mikes. The first open mic I

9:50

ever did, I got a standing ovation. That's

9:52

insane. I got a standing ovation.

9:54

I think it wasn't just an innovation because I

9:57

had the best material. I was

9:59

the funniest... But earlier on,

10:01

I used to go to the comedy clubs and

10:03

fuck with comedians, right? And I probably

10:05

shared this to, I used to heckle comedians and

10:08

people started coming to the show to

10:10

see me heckle. So it was

10:12

a thing, this is why when people say

10:15

I'm an interrupter, I've been an interrupter. I've

10:18

been an interrupter before I

10:20

even got on stage. That's hilarious. And I

10:22

was like, I had to be like 21

10:24

or 22. And

10:27

the thing was, it was started to

10:29

build, people started getting excited for me. They knew that

10:31

I was the guy in the audience that was funny,

10:34

but it was like some people in clubs they hang

10:36

around, you'd be like, man, he should do it. You

10:38

know what I mean? Like one day he should try it. So I ruined

10:41

all other comedians careers, whatever. I

10:45

just destroyed, they used to come up to me and be

10:47

like, could you not fuck

10:50

with me? I'm working on some new material. I'm like, it's my job

10:52

to help you and it's your job

10:54

to try to be funny. You were a professional

10:56

heckler. I was a professional heckler. That is so

10:58

insane. And I

11:00

drew, I was drawing

11:02

the audience. How

11:05

does that happen? It just

11:07

happens. And then eventually

11:10

the club wanted me to shut the fuck

11:12

up. They was

11:14

like, we'll shut his ass up if he go

11:16

on stage. And then the audience, people really started

11:18

coming to see me talk shit. And I think

11:20

the night, the first night I went on, I

11:22

think it was to build up like something

11:24

people felt like, this

11:27

dude is gone. He felt like I was working

11:29

for Safeway as a security guard in a grocery

11:31

store. And the first time I went on

11:33

stage, all the people that for my job

11:35

used to come, they all looked at me like, he's

11:38

about to quit or get fired. It

11:40

was just something that by chance,

11:42

I never thought about doing comedy. I

11:45

used to go there because I got free promotional

11:47

tickets. I never was the guy

11:49

when I was younger at 13, when I first looked into

11:51

the mirror, I knew that comedy is

11:53

what I wanted to do. It was

11:55

never that. It just so happened being

11:58

in that situation. I went up, I ripped. it

12:00

and when I ripped it, the first

12:02

time I went on stage, I knew I

12:04

was like, this is what I will be doing

12:07

for the rest of my life. And

12:09

I didn't say anything and with that thought,

12:11

Joe, I didn't feel like I'm

12:14

gonna be rich, I'm gonna be

12:16

famous, I'm gonna have a

12:18

TV show. For the first time I went on stage, only

12:20

thing I want to do is be good. That's the almost

12:24

to this point in my career now. I'm like,

12:26

if you good, and this applies to anything

12:28

in life, if you good at something

12:30

and you're really good at it and you're passionate about

12:32

it and you study it and you just live by

12:34

that, eventually you gonna get the rewards of

12:37

that. I never was like, I'm gonna get a TV

12:39

show. I was just like, man, if

12:41

I'm good, I'm gonna be able to work this

12:43

club. If I'm good, I'll be able to work

12:45

this club and then things will start happening for

12:47

me. So I think when I first

12:49

started, my friends and family, they

12:51

was really, really rooting for me

12:54

to do it. And the moment I went on stage, I was like,

12:56

this is what I will be doing for

12:58

the rest of my life. And

13:01

never thinking about it's gonna make me rich or

13:03

anything. Do you feel guilty that you started off

13:05

as a heckler now that you're a

13:07

comedian? No.

13:12

Yo, I gotta be honest,

13:15

man, Joe. I gotta be

13:17

honest. I like heckling motherfucker,

13:19

Joe. I'm a natural-born heckler.

13:23

I like that. In DC, we call it

13:25

Jonin, right? Jonin. Why did

13:27

they be called Jonin? I don't know why they

13:29

call it Jonin, but it was just roasting. It

13:31

was the black way of saying, if you want

13:34

to compare, it was like roasting. What an interesting

13:36

word, Jonin. Jonin, why did they come up with

13:38

that? Do you think that was a person who

13:40

was really good at it? I don't know if

13:42

it was a dude named Jonin. I

13:45

don't know if it was a dude named Jonin. That doesn't make sense.

13:47

I don't know the history. A lot of black players, I'm not

13:49

gonna know the history of it. You

13:52

might wanna Google... Have you ever heard

13:54

that, Jonin? Jonin. Urban dictionary. Do

13:57

you ever use that as a resource, Jonin? Yeah,

14:01

every dictionary has saved a lot

14:03

of white people that cook out

14:05

to barbecues. Yeah,

14:09

but we, and I'm like, I used

14:12

to love heckling. I didn't know you couldn't heckling to

14:14

it. In comedy, there's an unwritten rule. They were like,

14:16

you can't, the rule

14:18

is you can't... Jonin. Put

14:21

down and make fun of someone. Yep. Quit

14:24

Jonin on me. You'll get smacked. I

14:26

wonder who Jon was? Jonin.

14:29

Who was the lady? Jonin.

14:33

No, I don't think. You think that's

14:35

it? I know this fool

14:37

ain't Jonin. Oh, and, whoa, let me get

14:39

that part, Joe. Let me get the rest. Get the rest. Let

14:42

me take the second half. You

14:45

get the first half, I get the second. Does

14:47

that... does it... It

14:50

just could be someone just joking like... It

14:52

was probably just someone named Jonin that was

14:54

really good at insulting people. No, no, no.

14:56

I understand that sentence. No.

15:00

Where I came from, that's what it was. The joke on

15:02

the n***a. That's what it was. Urban

15:05

Dictionary nailed it. That's

15:07

what it was. But it wasn't like scripted. It

15:09

wasn't like you had writers or

15:12

anything like that. It was just you... In

15:14

the moment. In the moment. You look at that person

15:16

up and down and you just go for it. And

15:19

I used to... Oh, man, I used to join motherfuckers

15:21

out. And then the rule was

15:23

in comedy, you're not supposed to yell out. In

15:27

comedy, you're not supposed to join or say anything to

15:29

another comic, which I hate this rule. Yeah,

15:32

people don't like to be interrupted, Dono. I

15:35

know, but don't... Not everybody likes to do it your way.

15:38

All right, but Joe, have you ever felt, and you

15:40

have discipline, you've

15:43

been watching a motherfucker and

15:45

you're just like, I just

15:47

want to say something. You never felt like,

15:49

I just want to... Yeah. I

15:52

want to wait till you get off stage. I want

15:54

to just say something in that moment, especially if you've

15:56

had a drink. Yeah. Yeah, I've been

15:58

in that situation... If you've had a drink, you're like, this is... This is

16:00

nonsense. You would just want to yell out.

16:02

Yeah. And it's not to be like nasty

16:05

or nothing. You just like, you just can't help it anymore.

16:08

You guys say something. It's so funny. So

16:10

years ago, man Tracy Morgan was at a show and

16:12

man Tracy Morgan started comedy about the same time. And

16:15

he was like, man, I'm sick of these wack motherfuckers, man.

16:17

I just want to say something. I said, but you know,

16:20

you can't heck with the comedians. He

16:22

said we should do a tour, right? Go

16:24

all across the country to come because not

16:26

to perform just the heck with motherfuckers from

16:29

the seats, which I thought was

16:31

a fucking brilliant idea. That

16:34

would be so, you talk about something

16:36

that builds character. It's

16:39

almost like a roast battle. Can you

16:41

imagine putting mediocre comedians on stage and

16:43

having like great comics in the audience

16:46

heckling? Yep. You know what?

16:48

That would be terrifying. It'd be terrifying. But

16:51

guess what? I guarantee you, Joe, if

16:53

you had 20 mediocre

16:55

comedians, one or two would

16:57

stand out. The

16:59

one that would break away. Yes. And

17:02

if you did somebody, that's what you would be looking for. Somebody

17:04

is going to say, fuck it. It's going to be a

17:06

shark tank. Yeah. Right. So

17:09

you'll recognize like real early on

17:11

what of your material soft, what

17:14

out of your material is

17:16

bullshit. If you ever do it in front of people

17:18

that you respect. It's going to make you step your

17:20

shit up or it's going to make you have

17:24

enough attitude and personality

17:27

to pull any joke off because you know

17:29

what it is. Half the shit

17:31

that you deliver for the most part is

17:33

stage presence. Yeah. It's

17:35

stage presence. You know, it's how you respond.

17:38

How do you react to an audience coming

17:40

at you? Dude, David Tell

17:42

was at the mother shift this weekend

17:44

and I saw him on Sunday night.

17:48

Man, I don't know. I don't know if there's

17:51

a funnier person that's ever existed. You

17:53

know what? He's so funny. Whenever

17:55

I see his face, first off, if you see

17:57

David, David tells face now, you saw it 30

17:59

years ago. Yeah. Yo,

18:01

he's like the white Morgan Freeman of

18:03

comedy. Like he's been how he looks

18:06

forever with a different color black hoodie

18:08

on. Yeah. And it's so funny you

18:10

mention his name because something came on

18:12

my thread like a day ago and

18:15

Dave tells like the type of guy, not

18:17

even hearing what he said, you look at him, you say,

18:20

I said, I need to write more jokes. You're

18:23

like somebody, their mere presence

18:26

lets you know you got to write

18:28

more jokes because out of all the years, and I've

18:30

watched David till 30 years, I

18:32

can't remember a time when he

18:35

hasn't went on stage with the mindset of working

18:37

on some new shit. Always.

18:39

Always. Always. Always.

18:43

And you're like how the fuck can he keep doing

18:45

this? He's just like really focused on that one

18:47

thing. You know, he used to be an alcoholic

18:50

and when he quit drinking, he got way

18:52

better when he quit drinking, man. You know,

18:55

like there's something happened to him. In

18:57

comics, there's something that happens. They're like they're drunks

18:59

when they're young and then they quit drinking and

19:01

they're not as good anymore because they're not as

19:04

fun because when they were drunk, they were wild.

19:06

I figured out a way to balance both. You

19:09

definitely can't. Young, drunk and older drunk. What

19:11

I was going to say is that it

19:13

tells the best example because what he did

19:15

was he quit drinking and then immediately got

19:17

way better and just keeps getting better. Like

19:20

all that focus is now

19:22

just on stand up. I get

19:24

it. I think about that sometimes. Dude,

19:27

he was so good. It was mind

19:29

blowing. He was just on fire. He has a

19:31

recorder. He plays like a little flute. I saw

19:34

that the clip that came up and I just

19:36

thought the one part of memory said you have

19:38

this instrument that he said you have the head,

19:40

the shaft and the taint. He'd

19:43

say he was referenced that the flute

19:45

or whatever it was, of

19:48

course it was a penis but I was like that was just fuck.

19:51

He's nice and shit at it. He's

19:53

got like a formula in his mind

19:56

of how to make fun of

19:58

everything. He's so good. In

20:00

tune right now that he can just kind

20:03

of plug it into any subject He he

20:05

just starts writing material, but David so he's

20:07

always working on it, but he's not a

20:09

fun guy to hang out with What

20:14

I like nervous I feel like he's about to be

20:16

on law and order so when I Dave

20:19

will be talking to you then all of a

20:21

sudden he just disappeared, but maybe it's just me

20:23

but yeah He's not he's not the party guy.

20:26

He was fun hanging out at the mothership It

20:29

was like cuz we have like the green room. It's

20:31

like a nice Relaxing place where

20:33

everybody can hang out together But

20:35

he's you know he's an odd

20:37

guy. He carries around a flip phone He

20:40

texts you with to do to do to

20:42

do to do like will you press four hours to get

20:44

a right? Oh, he's still in

20:46

the old school. Yeah, yeah You got to press

20:48

it five times to get an ass or whatever

20:50

it is you remember those I remember those I

20:52

know he does that that's how he sends you

20:54

a text message That's him. That's doing that with

20:56

a flip phone ever. I bet that is kept

20:58

him off of Diddy's. Yeah, yeah That

21:05

was being connected with too much communication

21:07

keeps you out of those back

21:09

rooms and keep you off those yachts That's weird

21:11

if you don't invite a person

21:14

to the back room or to To

21:16

a yacht if he has that phone Yeah,

21:19

something is very suspicious You

21:22

don't get a you don't get invited to those pot

21:24

parties to get you move movie deals That's

21:29

just how they used to do Hollywood man All

21:33

it was the shit old Hollywood did that

21:35

is exactly how they did everything you

21:38

know Tarantino was telling us that one of

21:40

the old producers had a bedroom in

21:42

his office So he had his office and

21:44

then you go into his office And he had a bedroom and

21:47

the bedroom is where he would fuck all the Starlets And

21:50

so he was the producer and if you're gonna be

21:52

in his movie, he's gonna fuck you. That's old school

21:54

a bedroom Do you know how in his office? You

21:57

know how many women sitting out? Listen

22:00

to us and bring back the good old days.

22:06

You know, I mean, I do know you have

22:08

some women like this. Fuck that, I don't believe

22:10

it. But you do still have a couple of

22:12

women like, I don't want to go

22:14

to acting school. I

22:17

don't want to study. I

22:19

don't want to do anything. I want to

22:21

get it popping. Well, it seems like there

22:23

was a real cool, look, no

22:26

disrespect to actors, but there's a

22:28

lot of them. And there's a

22:30

lot of them that probably never make

22:32

it, that if they got

22:34

the right breaks, they could have

22:36

been as huge as some movie stars that exist

22:39

today, right? Wouldn't we agree on

22:41

that? I agree with that with acting

22:43

and with stand-up. Yeah, but specifically for

22:45

acting, because there's a lot of people

22:48

that can just go into acting. Like

22:50

a lot of athletes have gone into acting and

22:53

done amazing jobs. But

22:55

not too many of them are good, though. You

22:58

still see Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Okay.

23:02

Who was in that Adam Sandler movie

23:04

with basketball player? Rick

23:06

Fox. I know Rick Fox was taking a really,

23:09

really serious. Kevin Garnett, that's right. He's

23:12

in that Uncut

23:14

Gems movie, and he's fucking great.

23:17

He's not an actor. It

23:19

wouldn't work the other way. You couldn't

23:21

get a guy to do just stand-up

23:23

and just be fucking great, who's never

23:26

done stand-up. But you can get an

23:28

actor out of a basketball

23:30

player. You can turn a fucking rancher

23:32

into an actor. Right. You

23:34

just teach him how to do it. Some guys can do it.

23:36

What role did he play? He played

23:38

a basketball player. Come on, motherfucker! He

23:41

played a dude who was ripping off Adam Sandler. What

23:43

the fuck? Did you hear what the fuck you just

23:45

said? But he played a dude who was ripping off

23:47

Adam Sandler. It doesn't matter, Joe. I get that. I

23:49

thought you was gonna say he played a rocket

23:52

scientist. I'm just saying. So

23:54

you're telling me, Joe, you're saying- When he

23:56

was going through- The basketball player? When he

23:58

was doing his lines to- Adam

24:00

Sandler. It's very realistic.

24:03

That he's a basketball player. That he's not just

24:06

a basketball player, he's a basketball player that's

24:08

ripping off Adam Sandler. He

24:10

steals a rock from him. He doesn't want to give a rock back.

24:12

There's no way that Kevin

24:14

Garnett could have fucking ruined his role.

24:18

Even Joe, listen to me. Are you hating? I'm

24:20

not hating what I'm trying to explain. I feel

24:22

he's hating. No, I'm not. Don't start it, man.

24:24

Black Twitter will come from me. I'm

24:27

not saying that. There is no way

24:30

he could have been bad playing

24:32

a basketball player. He

24:35

was good, dude. I mean, it's

24:37

a good scene. Okay,

24:40

let me see. I'm watching this. Yeah,

24:42

we can't watch this. We'll get in trouble.

24:44

All right, you can't watch it. But I

24:46

just want to see him stand up. Because

24:49

right there, I can see the dramatic

24:51

side you're saying. But when he stands

24:53

up, he's playing a basketball player. He

24:55

is, but I'm telling you it's not

24:57

about that. It's about gambling addicts. The

24:59

whole thing is about gambling addicts. The

25:01

whole movie is about gambling addicts. It's

25:03

a fucking amazing movie. Right. I mean,

25:05

not even seeing the dialogue. I mean, hearing it

25:07

or anything. I could see his

25:09

face looks convincing, but I still see

25:11

a basketball Kevin Garnett basketball player. It's

25:14

just tough. Yeah, I know what you're saying,

25:16

but he's... And is that a Celtic ring?

25:18

And it's a basketball ring. Yeah. Joe,

25:21

he played the basketball player. Yeah,

25:24

but he played himself in this

25:26

movie. He's doing this thing where

25:28

he's involved in gambling addiction. They're

25:31

all just making crazy bets. Dude, the

25:34

movie will give you anxiety. I'll

25:36

check it out. Like real anxiety. Like, Oh,

25:39

don't fucking do it. Don't fucking do

25:41

it. So he was... And Kevin

25:43

Garnett is a good guy. I wasn't trying to

25:45

shit on him. I know you are. I know

25:48

you are. What I'm saying is that like... Because

25:50

the minute you start, Joe, you say, why are

25:52

you hating? The next thing you know, the next

25:54

thing you know, I'm being attacked by every urban

25:57

block in the country. Joe

26:01

Rovin was hating on Kevin Garnett, the

26:03

nigga shouldn't act, she just played basketball.

26:06

That was certainly not my words. I know it's not your words,

26:08

but it's the passion of my words. Yeah,

26:10

even that's how it starts. Even that's not what

26:12

you really meant. But what

26:14

I'm saying is like, I think out

26:16

of all the things, acting is probably,

26:19

even though some people are ingenious at

26:21

it, don't get me wrong, the

26:24

most doable to

26:26

a person. Like

26:28

that's the most – I

26:31

mean it's – you're most

26:33

likely to be able to figure out how to do it.

26:35

Like you might not ever be able to figure out how

26:38

to sing. You know, you might not ever be

26:40

able to figure out how to just stand up, but you

26:42

could probably figure out how to act.

26:45

Just pretend. Pretend

26:47

and then you could get trained, but I

26:50

still figured something inside

26:53

of you as an actor that takes

26:55

you above the person just like equally

26:57

trained. There's something that

26:59

drives you to want to do something different and make

27:01

different choices as an actor. Yeah,

27:03

it's called being mentally ill. Yep, and

27:06

you're absolutely – I agree with you 100%. Most

27:09

actors are – have some type of mental disorder. Think about

27:11

it. It's

27:13

like you're playing make-believe. All the time, professionally.

27:15

All the time. And

27:17

then if you get really famous for playing make-believe,

27:20

at a certain point in time you're probably like, who the fuck am

27:22

I? Who actually am I? Oh, who

27:24

do I want to be? Yeah. I

27:27

mean, but you think you

27:29

are this person because

27:31

you are getting all this ad

27:33

duration from all these people to see you play

27:35

different people in movies. I didn't even know you. Right.

27:39

And then you're like, what the fuck? How

27:41

weird is this world that I've created where everybody loves

27:43

me and they like me to pretend to be different

27:45

people? Who the fuck am I? But at the same

27:48

time, you can give them whoever you want to be

27:50

that day. I think we

27:52

fucking – when we wake up in the morning, we get

27:54

in acting mode. You go to bed,

27:56

you fucked up about something, and you wake up in the morning like,

27:58

you know what? Fuck that

28:00

bitch, I'm gonna have a great day. You're

28:03

acting like you're not dealing with what you did

28:05

the day before. I think that's a

28:07

part of our life. You, and I know it's a crazy question, you've

28:09

heard it before, and it's like

28:11

a generic question when you have a

28:13

comedian that's done some acting stuff. Is

28:17

it more challenging for

28:19

you acting, or

28:22

more challenging as a

28:24

stand-up, developing new material? Well,

28:27

it depends on what you'd be doing

28:29

for acting. I've never done a real

28:31

dramatic movie, or a dramatic role on

28:33

a TV show. Everything I've ever done

28:35

has just been silly. So,

28:39

that's a different kind of acting. Comic acting

28:41

is, you know, it's just, it's

28:44

basically scripted shit-talking. Yeah,

28:46

but at some point, even with acting, there's

28:48

a moment, this is the scariest part for

28:50

me. I can go in front of

28:52

25,000 and thank you, you've prohibited

28:55

platforms where I could be that many people. I

28:57

can go in front of 25,000 people, and it feels, and

29:00

I can hear, and it feels amazing.

29:04

But it's the silence of, when you

29:06

know there's like 150

29:08

people behind the camera that

29:11

relying on what you do right now, and

29:14

that silence, quiet, when

29:17

everybody's completely focused on that one person,

29:19

one of you I deliver at, lying,

29:21

and then action, that shit

29:23

is terrifying. That

29:26

shit is fucking, I'm

29:28

telling you, I've done shows

29:30

with you with Dave where you

29:32

guys created platforms to come out in the arena, like I'm

29:34

about to beat the fucking world, but

29:37

the minute you say quiet, and

29:39

you like, and action,

29:42

action. And then you gotta go. And

29:45

you gotta really rehearse that thing,

29:47

really know what you're saying while

29:49

you're saying it, because you have

29:51

to repeat these words in that

29:53

order. You're not freestyling. You said

29:56

earlier all the acts of you been silly stuff.

29:59

I think maybe first. four or

30:03

five years of my career, everything

30:05

I booked was dramatic.

30:09

Nobody thought I was comedian or

30:12

if you want to say comedian, I'm acting

30:14

to the Chappelle show. I

30:17

had did like all of the law and orders.

30:20

I had did HBO's The Corner

30:24

where I played a heroine at it. I

30:28

think this was like the third audition that ever went

30:30

on. Third audition that ever went on.

30:33

David Simon, Alex Foley.

30:36

She's a big, big time. Foley,

30:38

a Foley has been a long time since I've been in New York. So

30:40

I might be saying the last name, but

30:42

she cast all the wires, sopranos,

30:48

all that stuff. I went into an interview. I

30:51

went to audition for the wire.

30:53

Just, I'm sorry, this was Jackie Brown Carmen. Alex

30:55

was when we went back

30:58

and did The Corner, but I mean the wire. But for The

31:00

Corner, it was Jackie Brown Carmen. I

31:02

went in for this audition. The

31:04

audition was as a heroine

31:07

addict, right? Charles Dutton

31:09

directed this series. It won

31:11

three Emmys. I played

31:16

the character, that's my friend,

31:19

Clark Peters. He's an incredible,

31:21

incredible fucking theater actor.

31:23

Came from the theater background.

31:26

So I'm doing, I'm doing auditions, Joe, this out,

31:29

and I'm green and shit audition. And

31:31

I'm like, man, I'm fucking this shit up. I ain't gonna

31:33

get this shit. Jackie Brown Carmen said,

31:36

Donnell, relax, be calm.

31:38

God is in the room. You'll

31:41

be okay. And I fuck with

31:43

God, but I didn't know if God goes to auditions, which

31:45

you are not, how much it would help,

31:47

right? And I did my lines again.

31:49

And I still thought I fumbled it. I was

31:52

like, man, I understand her support or whatever. I'm

31:54

like, man, fuck this shit. I just aren't saying

31:56

anything. Right? Four

31:59

days later. I swear, sometimes

32:01

you do an audition, you kind of feel when you're going to

32:04

at least get a call back. I get

32:06

a call that says, you booked it. I was

32:08

like, what the fuck? I

32:10

was like, I could not believe it. I was like, I don't

32:12

know how the fuck that happened. I was like, I know I

32:15

wasn't prepared. I was just saying anything and

32:17

I wanted to get the fuck out of there and just go

32:19

run right back to the stage. Fuck acting. I want to work

32:21

on my jokes. So we get

32:23

on set, David Simon. He was the

32:25

original writer of the book, The Corner with

32:29

another police officer. It was, he did

32:31

police journalism in Baltimore. So I saw

32:33

him on set and I was like,

32:35

I got a question. He was like, man, thanks for being part

32:37

of it. I was like, I got a question. I

32:39

just had to know, right? I was like, I said,

32:41

how the fuck did I get this role? Right?

32:43

I'm already booked. I said, I swear,

32:46

I thought I bombed that audition. And

32:48

he said, Daniel, we liked the way

32:51

you threw the lines away. Right?

32:54

So if you mean not prepared, he

32:57

said, we liked the fact that you threw

32:59

the lines away. And he said another thing.

33:02

You didn't feed into the stereotype of the

33:04

guy's addiction because everybody

33:06

was going in there was just going straight to

33:08

the lean of addiction. The

33:11

worst part of it being high. In all

33:13

addition, they didn't want to see that. They want to

33:15

see who is this person not

33:18

being high. And because

33:20

I was off, because I said, fuck it, I'm

33:23

going to just say it my way.

33:25

That's what fucking got me to roll on that shit. Well,

33:28

that's probably the hardest thing to do is

33:31

to just say just a free ball and

33:34

be in, you know, just say, I

33:36

don't even remember the lines, but this is what

33:38

I would fucking say. But if

33:40

you do that – But some

33:42

platforms, they will allow that. Then you

33:44

get sticklers. Like when you start talking

33:46

about HBO and those guys,

33:49

it's like they want you to say every

33:51

word that was on that fucking paper. Yeah,

33:53

but they also want someone who really sounds

33:55

like they can say those words. Agreed.

34:00

There's things that a

34:02

person has, like a type of

34:05

charisma that a person has, like

34:07

a person like yourself, that like

34:09

you either have that or you

34:11

don't. And if you have it, and

34:14

you can deliver it in some form, some

34:16

way. You could be coached. Someone can figure

34:18

out how – like, I'll help you memorize

34:21

the lines. We'll work through them together. We'll

34:23

go over things. But in the end, it's

34:25

you. It's you. You've got to

34:27

go be you. But not

34:29

everybody can even pretend to be you.

34:32

Everybody don't – yeah. You know what I'm saying? And everybody

34:34

don't have the heart to take those chances because – and

34:37

I've never been trained, but one

34:39

thing that's always resonated when you talk about acting

34:41

is, like, make a decision, right,

34:44

and let them bring

34:46

you back. You know what I mean? It's better to

34:49

go all out than to not do it

34:51

and not – when

34:53

I was doing HBO's The Wire, there was one scene when – I get

34:56

pulled over in the car,

35:00

and I got like $30,000 of – people don't know

35:02

if it's drug money, political

35:05

money, or whatever, and I get arrested for it. And

35:08

then the next scene, some

35:10

kind of way, they have to let me go

35:13

with the money. Basically, I came in with $30,000, and I'm leaving

35:15

with $30,000. And

35:19

I just said, I'm going to do a little

35:21

improv, right? So there was like action. And when

35:24

I left out the room, I was – I threw the

35:26

money over back at my show, and I said, some

35:29

people got to have it.

35:32

Some people really don't

35:34

let money change. And then I looked

35:36

back at the car, and I said,

35:38

oh, mighty dollar. Everybody laughed, but they

35:40

was like, nah, we ain't going to be able to use that shit.

35:45

But it's like making – at

35:47

least they knew that I would take

35:49

the chance. Some people – Yeah, you'll

35:51

be loose, and that's the thing. It's

35:54

like some people just can't be loose.

35:56

They just can't figure that thing out

35:58

to be free. It's

36:00

always in their own way. But I think

36:03

for me, even with acting

36:06

that's made it fun,

36:09

the times I get it, is

36:11

that I've made enough

36:13

success in comedy and

36:15

create a pretty good lifestyle off of that, that

36:18

I don't have that pressure of having

36:20

to book a role. You

36:23

know what I mean? A lot of actors now,

36:25

it's like, they gotta get this

36:27

series. You know what I mean? Just

36:29

to continue the lifestyle they have. So it's always,

36:32

for me, acting has always been like, oh, I'm

36:35

just playing around. It's fun. I mean,

36:37

get it. That's the best way to do it. Especially

36:39

if your stand-up is going

36:42

well, everything just sort of

36:44

can be fine. You

36:46

don't really care if you're doing a movie here

36:49

or there. But if you were only doing movies,

36:51

those folks during the pandemic that kind of just

36:53

went back to acting, because of a few comics

36:55

that just stopped. I was just during the pandemic.

36:57

I was so happy that shit was over because

37:00

I got sick of these writers that we never

37:02

heard about doing spotters. They

37:05

was like, this guy wrote for a family guy. You're like,

37:07

where the fuck have you been? You ain't been in the

37:09

trenches. Like that? There's

37:11

people that realize they have fucking mortgages. That's

37:13

what happens. And then they realize, oh my

37:15

God, I'm so connected to the TV system that

37:17

if it goes down because of the pandemic or another

37:20

pandemic, I don't work for a year and a half.

37:22

What the fuck are you talking about? I think that

37:24

made people have to figure out what their pivot was.

37:27

Yeah, well, you can't

37:29

rely too much on a system that doesn't

37:31

give a fuck about you and

37:33

a system that if you're

37:35

paying attention to where it's going, a

37:37

large amount of it is about to

37:39

get sucked up by AI, like

37:42

a giant chunk. Of the entertainment? Yeah.

37:44

Yeah, I mean, I thought that was-

37:46

A giant chunk. Tyler Pearly, it was

37:48

a story of me like three weeks

37:50

ago. Yeah. He was in the middle

37:52

of either producing a movie or doing

37:54

something. He was building an $800 million

37:58

studio and he paused. the

38:00

construction as soon as he

38:02

saw us what is it called Sora Sora

38:05

create it create entire scenes

38:07

entire scenes entire scenes

38:09

that look realistic have you seen

38:11

it I haven't seen watch this video came out

38:13

yesterday I think this is like a balloon head

38:15

guy like a short film it

38:18

all these scenes supposedly I guess are made by

38:20

Sora so this is

38:22

all AI yeah it's over I don't

38:24

know about the audio

38:27

that could be no I am literally filled

38:29

with hot air yeah living like this

38:38

has its challenges windy

38:40

days for one or particularly troublesome

38:43

there was a one-time my girlfriend insisted I go to

38:46

the cactus store to get my uncle's area wedding present

38:49

this is crazy what do I love most

38:51

about my predicament it's pretty well made out

38:54

and that's somebody just putting in the

38:56

information yeah that's been created yeah the

38:58

New World Entertainment Joe this is what

39:01

my prediction is this is such a

39:03

leap that is such a leap above

39:05

everything now you add that to add

39:07

this this is what's gonna happen eventually

39:10

and this is not the right thing to

39:13

say especially about Hollywood

39:16

the idea of agencies

39:19

the idea of a and our

39:22

all-around jobs about to

39:24

be gone and only thing

39:26

you're gonna have is content creators and

39:29

the content creators are going to

39:31

cut the middleman of the agency out and

39:33

they're gonna go straight to the advertisers and

39:36

the people to pay the money you

39:39

having to be connected

39:42

with a certain entity or certain agency and

39:44

they probably kill me after this Joe

39:46

I'm sure I

39:48

just makes me Illuminati right

39:50

now they gonna kill me

39:52

Joe cat whims everybody I'm

39:55

telling it's gonna come where

39:58

all of those things that

40:00

you needed to make it aren't going

40:02

to exist anymore. And

40:06

we're close to that right now. Well

40:08

we already lost sitcoms. So sitcoms were

40:10

number one. That was like a number

40:12

one job for a comedian. You get your own show.

40:14

Yeah that was the only job you wanted. That was

40:17

the job that everybody wanted. And

40:19

then they had comedy movies. Well

40:21

comedy movies have been drastically reduced.

40:24

So the sitcom's gone and then the

40:26

comedy movies have drastically been reduced. But

40:28

what did most people want that for,

40:30

Joe? What did the comedians want of

40:32

that for? Two things.

40:35

Money and fame. Yeah because there was

40:37

no social media and there

40:39

was no YouTube. And so ticket sales

40:41

were really dependent upon you being on

40:43

a television show. Yeah

40:46

it was a big factor. And this is like,

40:48

you probably heard this, and it's a

40:50

conversation when it comes to, especially when it comes to

40:52

comedy. You got the YouTube comedians,

40:55

you got the social media comedians.

40:57

Like comedy now has broken down

41:00

into so many definitions of what comedy

41:02

is now. When we

41:05

first started there was only one

41:07

definition. The minute you heard someone

41:09

say comedian, it was nothing

41:11

but a guy who grabs a mic, stands

41:13

flat footed and entertains the audience. It

41:16

wasn't a comedian on boats. It wasn't that. When

41:18

you say comedian, you just associated

41:20

with- You didn't mean on boats. You

41:22

know, I mean, just like no

41:25

disrespect to the cruise guys. Is that what you're talking

41:27

about? Yeah they find their lane and they love it.

41:29

But that's a tough life. Trapped

41:33

on that boat telling them some fucking jokes. But

41:36

then some people got mouths to feed. Some people

41:38

like this. That is what it is. They look

41:40

at the level of competition. They look at this,

41:42

they be like this. You know what? And those

41:44

guys, they're six figures. Yeah, they

41:46

make six figures. Oh yeah, yeah. They do. Most of the

41:48

guys that do it, I

41:51

don't- I've talked to guys who didn't like doing it. It's

41:55

very kind of depressing for some reason.

41:57

Your first year or so is probably

41:59

not, especially- If you're doing like $30 spots

42:01

in Brooklyn here, like when I would, that was

42:03

a come up when I started. When

42:06

I started, it's like, oh, you're a cruise ship. I mean, oh

42:08

yeah, it was, because we didn't really

42:10

have a lot to look up to other than just

42:13

making, making money off of it. You

42:15

know, so that was, it was a regular job in

42:17

stand up comedy. But

42:20

the point I was making about, even

42:22

with that, the different definition of community and

42:24

people, and they always, they break

42:26

like, oh, the old heads have a way of thinking.

42:28

Yeah, this and that. The

42:31

thing that you have

42:33

to credit is the work ethics you

42:36

have to have to get to a certain level. As

42:38

if you want to say a social media comedian,

42:41

or you, it's a certain level, it's

42:43

a certain work ethics you have to

42:45

be to do, to get consistent with

42:47

that. But the problem is that what

42:51

some people have issues with is

42:53

like, yeah, but some of them not that good. You

42:55

know how hard it is to get good

42:58

at something when you're already a millionaire doing

43:00

it at whatever level? You

43:02

know, what pushed us when we

43:04

were coming up was that if I get

43:06

good, I can get the money. But

43:09

now it's like, they got the money. So what

43:11

is the urgency, unless

43:13

you get that one or two that's really, really care

43:16

about the craft, what is the, who

43:18

cares about being good at it when, and

43:20

result is I'm getting paid off this shit. Well, you always

43:22

want to be good at what you do, don't you? Some

43:26

people, but the level of getting good at now is different.

43:29

Like today, people getting good at knowing

43:32

algorithms. There's a

43:34

lot of that. You know what I'm saying? They get going good

43:36

at knowing what the system is,

43:38

which is fucking

43:40

incredible. If you put talent

43:42

on top of that, you know, it should

43:45

be. Yeah, if you're a smart person, you know

43:47

how to really utilize the system. I

43:49

want to say manipulate, but that's the wrong

43:51

word. It really is utilized. It's

43:54

just you're like Mr. Beast. That's a

43:56

perfect example. That guy figured out like

43:58

how to make the right. right captions

44:00

and how to make the right image

44:04

that you click on for the YouTube videos, the

44:07

right title. And then

44:09

he figured out how to just keep

44:11

dumping money into his product and

44:13

he figured out exactly where the algorithms

44:16

are and he has it translated into

44:18

different languages. And that's a definite, that's

44:20

what I'm saying is that's

44:23

the skill set that's going to get rid

44:25

of a lot of jobs. That guy has

44:27

a unicorn though. But here's the thing, I

44:30

feel like if

44:32

you have AI, whatever

44:36

the next generation of chat GPT

44:38

is, you could

44:41

be able to devise a very effective

44:43

business plan that really made sense. The

44:45

AI would sort of guide you step

44:47

by step. Like this is what you're going to

44:49

do to achieve success. It will

44:52

probably even break it down. If you

44:54

write for 20 minutes every day, that

44:56

will increase your time of material by

44:58

50 minutes over

45:01

the course of the next 10 months. And

45:03

if you do all the calculations, you're like, holy

45:05

shit, is that real? And if you really thought

45:07

about it that way, through artificial intelligence, you let

45:10

it guide your career, it would probably do

45:12

a fucking amazing job of

45:14

putting you into the perfect position to be.

45:17

If artificial intelligence- Auditioning

45:19

against motherfuckers, artificial

45:21

intelligence guy, you like, you sit

45:24

in your tape and then

45:26

they got a motherfucker that's auditioned like this. Hey,

45:29

I need Joe to be

45:31

a police officer, arrest these guys for

45:33

stealing. John, we have to realize we're

45:36

that close to them being

45:38

fake people. We're that close. I'm

45:41

dead before they show up. No, it's not.

45:43

Because I already deal with regular fake people.

45:47

Now we got artificially created fake

45:49

people. Oh, Hollywood is

45:51

fucking dead. They're in trouble. Oh,

45:54

Hollywood's dead. No, no, no, no. For real

45:56

though, Hollywood's dead. Just looking at that movie.

45:58

You buried it. I

46:00

didn't do shit. Yes, you did. What did I

46:02

do? I just abandoned ship. You helped bury it.

46:05

You helped... You showed

46:08

motherfuckers something you could do today

46:10

Probably didn't think you could do.

46:13

Go somewhere, post up, do your

46:15

shit and create a whole fucking

46:17

comedy community in Austin. Yeah,

46:19

I didn't think I could do it either. You knew you could

46:21

do it. I did not know I could do it. Yes you

46:23

did. You could do it. I did not know I could do

46:25

it. I just did it. That's why I'll tell you and

46:28

you have You

46:30

doing it. A lot of people doing it, but

46:32

I did your club the mothership and it's

46:34

like Anybody not anybody if

46:36

you have enough money you could

46:38

build a nice club Right.

46:41

It's a nice club state of the

46:43

art whatever It

46:47

doesn't make it a comedy community,

46:49

right? You know I'm saying it's like That's

46:52

gonna be the challenges of like all these people

46:54

that open up comedy clubs and stuff Hmm Dave

46:56

has opened up one. I think Mike Epps It's

46:58

a lot of them like popping up and I

47:01

think that's the dope thing But

47:03

the thing is like it's it's a difference

47:05

between having a comedy

47:07

community You

47:09

know yeah, you have to do that on purpose. Yeah, you

47:11

know And that's

47:13

one of the things that we did when we

47:15

opened up the club was set up like a

47:18

whole like These are the nights

47:20

you're gonna have open mic. You

47:22

know we're gonna have comedians

47:24

audition to be door people so that

47:26

like they'll be able to see Guys

47:29

like David towel who's just right and

47:31

then you'll have like this very clear

47:33

pathway There's like open mic

47:35

night The talent

47:38

coordinator would be there. He'd be able to watch you

47:40

Maybe he can even give you some tips other

47:42

comics can watch you they see you work in

47:44

the door You get to see all this great comedy

47:46

you get to be around all this great comedy And

47:49

then there's a lot of places to go in town, and

47:51

we'll let you punch out Punch

47:54

out like a comic has a set down the street They

47:56

can punch out go run those streets you said come back

47:58

to work to me. Did you just seven days? a

48:00

week, right? Yeah, we're seven days a week. That's how

48:02

I gauge whenever I go and you don't never see

48:04

any nights open mic nights too. I always gauge a

48:06

club, not gauging, but you could tell how

48:08

successful a club is if they could run

48:11

fucking seven nights a week. Well it's um

48:14

you know it was the perfect timing

48:16

it's just a weird

48:18

coincidence of all these things

48:20

happening that opened all these doors at exactly

48:23

the same time. Like it's like going down

48:25

the street and you hit every green light

48:27

like magically and it just goes. You know

48:29

it's a system in New York if you

48:31

on those streets, 2nd Avenue and the other

48:33

streets, if you drive 30 28

48:36

miles an hour you

48:38

will catch every light from like 23rd Street to

48:40

about 115. That's the fact

48:43

I know you didn't know what I'm trying to say. I've heard that.

48:45

Yeah, I think it's 28 miles an hour. Here's

48:49

a straight shot. Wow. A couple cats and

48:51

dogs will get ran over in that process

48:53

but as long as you might

48:55

maintain that consistency of 28 miles an hour

48:57

you won't stop. Hmm.

49:01

That was a fact that I know you didn't know. I

49:04

had heard that before. I had

49:06

heard that from cab drivers. Is there anything you

49:09

haven't heard Joe? At this point in time I

49:11

always think that but then Jonin comes along and

49:13

throws me for a loop. At 16. At 16

49:15

the last time I was here you didn't know

49:17

what hot 16 was. That's right I didn't.

49:22

Yeah. But you asked me you

49:24

asked me about this suit. It looks

49:26

sweet. And as I'm watching myself from the camera

49:28

I'm like did I go overboard? No no no

49:31

no you look great. I wish I'd known I

49:33

would have wore a suit too. I like wearing

49:35

a suit. I know I remember when we were

49:37

doing, yeah we did those arena show. Yeah.

49:40

And your whole energy changed

49:42

when you had a suit on. Like

49:45

I did on my sweater I said stomp my feet

49:47

you start stomping your feet and you said you know

49:49

you could do yourself but it's just something about something

49:52

that's classic about being able to

49:54

do stand-up in the suit. There is

49:56

something about it. And that's how I felt even with

49:58

when I did New Day. First

50:01

off, this was my

50:03

third time shooting this special. I told you

50:06

the story. Yes. And I

50:08

remember every—and I was really getting stressed, because

50:10

every time I saw you, you'd be like,

50:12

when is the special coming out? When

50:15

is the special—I'm like, I don't know. I fucking shocked

50:17

the shit. I don't know. First

50:20

time I did the special during the

50:22

pandemic, at the end of the

50:24

pandemic, when the

50:27

clubs still had all this COVID

50:30

protocol and— They had masks on. Yeah,

50:32

masks on, and vaccination cards. Have you

50:34

been tested and what shot you had,

50:36

Johnson & Johnson and all that shit?

50:40

We did it in North Carolina. And

50:42

we—our back was already against it, because the

50:44

venue I chose, it held 600 people. I think

50:47

it was the Fillmore Theater, 600, 700 people. And

50:50

we had a sale of 700 people. But

50:53

then when Netflix was like, ah, where's your card? Ah,

50:55

where's this? It went down. The first show went down

50:57

to like 250 people. Oh,

50:59

they had that vaccine card to get in? All of that

51:01

shit. Which means

51:03

now, in the back of the show, you

51:06

got to put a black curtain. Oh, no. Now

51:08

you're like looking at like a half-filled audience.

51:10

Oh, no. They

51:12

got masks on and shit. Oh,

51:14

no. Did the show. First show

51:16

went well, right? First show went well.

51:19

And then Dave was like—because he

51:21

produced it—Dave said, you know, if

51:23

we don't get it, we can shoot it again. We

51:27

don't get it this time. Second time

51:29

at it, I caught a stand and

51:31

all. Stan Latham going crazy. Ricky

51:33

Hughes going crazy. We're like, oh, we got it. We

51:35

got it. And we

51:38

announced that my special was

51:40

going to come out. The same time we announced the

51:42

earthquake special was going to come out. A

51:45

week after that announcement, Dave calls me. He says,

51:47

Donnell, I want to shoot your special over. I'm

51:49

like, you know how it's the most insulting thing? You tell a committee

51:52

you want to shoot over, the first thing you think, what? It wasn't

51:54

funny? Right. That's

51:56

the first thing. He was like, I

51:58

can put you in front of any audience you ever— ripped the

52:00

room, he said, but doesn't make it a great special. He

52:02

set off everybody and the umbrella

52:04

of the home team that people

52:07

are really anticipating because the connection with that

52:09

show is you. If we're going to do it,

52:11

we got to get it right. It

52:13

was tough because I'm like, oh, this is

52:16

going to be the joint that give me a platform for people

52:18

to see me do stand up. But we

52:21

basically scrapped the shit. He said,

52:23

Daniel, you had too much COVID jokes in there. And

52:26

think about it, if I were to show a special with

52:28

masks in it, it

52:31

automatically dates you to 2020. Soon

52:35

as you turn out, I was like, oh, this shit

52:37

was during the pandemic. How wild was the pandemic? I

52:39

miss it. I

52:41

was thinking about the other day. I miss

52:43

it, man. I miss not

52:46

having to be around a lot of motherfuckers.

52:49

I miss how people appreciated

52:53

simple things. I

52:56

miss how when you had a

52:58

bubble, you could block all this

53:00

negative, all the haters out. You weren't allowed

53:02

to come inside the bubble. Give

53:04

me six feet, bitch. Give me six feet.

53:07

It's a bubble. And inviting who you

53:09

wanted, I miss how people

53:11

appreciate life. I think we should do

53:14

like a lockdown week, a

53:16

worldwide lockdown week, week

53:18

to year, where the whole fucking

53:21

world just shuts the fuck

53:23

down. That would

53:25

be great, except you can't tell people to shut things

53:27

down, because then you're going to give the power to

53:29

the government to shut things down whenever they want for

53:31

a week. And then they might decide two weeks is

53:33

better, maybe a month. You

53:37

can't give them the power to shut things

53:39

down. If people decide to not do anything.

53:41

So we could vote on a

53:44

lockdown, like National Lockdown Day? You

53:46

don't want to take away freedom from

53:48

people. I don't want to take away freedom.

53:50

If people want to do it, they should be able to do

53:52

it. If you all agree to do it, do it on your

53:54

own. Fuck that, Joe. Joe,

53:57

what happened when we started making people do something? Guess

53:59

what happened? Will you make somebody do

54:01

something? Will you make somebody wash their hands? Will

54:03

you make somebody give you six feet? Will you

54:06

make them do something? It forces

54:08

some type of change I'm not saying forever,

54:11

but I think that we should have a

54:13

joint where we just lock down everything for

54:15

like a week Everything

54:17

is dead It

54:19

was it was fun You

54:22

know people died Not

54:24

that many it compared to

54:26

the people that live not already sick

54:30

Point is it is a disease that

54:32

killed people for sure, but it's a

54:34

disease that killed people with What

54:37

was the percentage? It's like a

54:39

large percentage of them had four Comorbidities.

54:44

Oh, yeah a large percentage of the people

54:46

that died from code four So it's four

54:48

different things that are killing you it just

54:50

say wrap it up It's like that came

54:52

along to an already compromised human which is

54:54

not to say that Because

54:57

shouldn't you know try to help compromised humans,

54:59

but I'm saying that It's

55:02

it's not what they were selling it as or what

55:04

people were terrified that it was gonna be Yeah,

55:07

but I know I mean for me it was so

55:09

weird what it did for us man when you remember

55:12

those days at Stubbs I went to Stubbs the other

55:14

day to see the Black Keys And

55:16

it just brought me back to those days at Stubbs.

55:18

We did those shows there. It's like there

55:20

was a wild crazy Feeling

55:24

about doing something when no one else was

55:26

doing it was fucking I got

55:28

high off of it was exciting We're still

55:31

doing comedy man. We were shut down and

55:33

we were doing comedy. We were still eating

55:35

with groups Appreciate

55:39

it then even but a lot of people thought we

55:41

were reckless, but you know every part

55:43

of this it was protocol Yeah, it was

55:46

like hey come every part of it You

55:48

weren't gonna be around anybody that hadn't been

55:51

tested Period right and

55:54

that there was just something about it even when

55:56

we when we saw each other was like oh shit

55:58

We doing with We got

56:01

excited about doing regular

56:03

shit. Yeah. Even

56:05

when all of our crew caught COVID

56:08

at the same time, it was like a chickenpox party. We

56:11

went down from a team of 24 and every

56:13

day, this is what I knew

56:15

was getting bad, because I used to plan like

56:17

the lunches for everybody. And

56:20

we had lunch like 12 o'clock every day. And they were like, I wonder what

56:22

we're going to have for lunch. It'll be 24 people. Then

56:25

once the bubble popped, one day it was

56:27

22, it was 20, it

56:30

was 19, it went down to 12 to

56:33

four people, you had to fend for yourself. The

56:36

whole fucking crew caught

56:39

it. And this is pre-vaccines, this

56:41

is pre- That was right. It was

56:43

right when vaccines was about to pop,

56:45

because I had somebody, I know

56:48

this sounds so ghetto, I had somebody that could

56:50

get me to Johnson & Johnson on the low.

56:53

On the low. Yeah. People were excited to get it

56:55

in the beginning. All of it. Yeah.

56:58

I got it, I got it quick too. I

57:00

almost got it. Yeah. I got lucky. See now

57:02

you like- I got lucky I dodged that. Now,

57:05

now I'm wondering, every since I got it, I'm

57:07

waiting for some shit to happen in my body,

57:09

that I can contribute to that shit. Well,

57:12

a lot of people can. It

57:14

did something to a lot of people. You

57:17

know, it's got a very high rate of

57:19

side effect. Why you fucking with me now,

57:21

man? It does. Which one?

57:24

I think all of them. And what-

57:26

I don't think any of them are good for you. I

57:29

didn't- So what could happen?

57:31

I think if you were an old person, and

57:33

it was the first go around of COVID, it

57:36

probably would help you. But

57:38

I think there's a lot of problems with that

57:40

thing. What's been the- Well,

57:43

there's a lot of side effects. I

57:46

mean, there's- The

57:48

craziest thing that's going on right

57:50

now is the increase in all-cause

57:52

mortality. That's the crazy thing. Due

57:54

to the vaccine? Yeah, there's an excess death. There's

57:58

like a excess death. uh...

58:01

you like number increase that's

58:03

pretty if

58:06

you if you are a

58:08

statistic statistic statistician your

58:10

statistics person and you were uh... looking

58:13

at indications that something went wrong

58:16

you would fail will was there

58:18

anything that caused these

58:20

people's bodies to change what we're getting

58:22

this large number of excess death and

58:24

what people are going to be there's many is forty percent of

58:27

what you're going to be there forty

58:29

percent excess death type

58:32

of shit i think it just means like

58:34

forty percent more people died than normally do

58:37

basically that's what it means black jamie excess

58:41

death everybody

58:45

everybody and a lot of

58:47

his cardiac stuff cardiac stuff went way up

58:52

you know that a lot of people got it nothing happened

58:54

to them they're fine you know

58:56

i like this personal tackle me like you

58:58

know visit you like donnell you got the

59:00

jab twice listen i would have got it

59:03

i was ready to get it i just didn't get it

59:05

just because the they couldn't do it i had to go

59:07

to a clinic or the hospital

59:09

wherever and then i said i'll get it

59:11

when i come back next time and between

59:13

that time and me coming back next time

59:15

they'd already pulled it they pulled it because

59:17

of blood clots i got a

59:20

couple work it was like i'm not a sound crazy but

59:22

you could like if you were uh... working

59:27

as a working actor in he can work he

59:29

couldn't work you can work on those some people

59:31

made it i mean i know people you compromise

59:33

your body in and then

59:36

some some areas people think of like always

59:38

the white man trying to control you yet

59:41

but it was a one point it was like if

59:43

you were trying to work you wasn't working

59:45

unless you had it effect yeah you you

59:48

weren't going anywhere you weren't flying anywhere that

59:50

was a real issue and there's

59:52

still there was a lot of countries that

59:54

until recently you had to have uh... vaccine

59:56

card including america you had to have a vaccine card

59:58

to get in and let's see walked across the border of

1:00:00

course. They didn't come right in. Shout out

1:00:03

to the Mexican. They didn't come right in. They had,

1:00:05

where was it? In

1:00:07

Canada, Australia, they had the biggest, I think

1:00:09

they were the most tight. Australia

1:00:11

was crazy. They were putting people in camps.

1:00:13

Yeah. If you were sick, they'd take you,

1:00:15

you could have been fine. You couldn't travel,

1:00:17

period. No. You just were there, right?

1:00:20

And if you got sick and then they put you

1:00:22

in that camp, you can't go anywhere and there's fucking

1:00:24

armed people out there waiting for you. And

1:00:26

they didn't have that much depth either, so it

1:00:28

worked. Hell

1:00:31

no. No. That didn't work.

1:00:33

First of all, it's a terrible idea to

1:00:35

just round people up and make them go

1:00:37

to camps because they're sick. You don't allow

1:00:40

them to stay at home. You

1:00:42

determine where they can move and not

1:00:44

move. You were arresting people for wearing

1:00:46

masks outside. None of that is scientific.

1:00:48

None of it works. There's never been a respiratory disease. So

1:00:50

you don't think lockdown should... No. You

1:00:52

don't think lockdown helped us at all? No.

1:00:55

Not at all. So you think it would have

1:00:58

just been passing if we wouldn't have had the

1:01:00

lockdown and locked in all of protocol? Well, maybe

1:01:02

it slowed the rate of people

1:01:04

getting it. Maybe

1:01:06

you could say that. And maybe

1:01:08

for older people, it protected

1:01:11

them from being in contact with people

1:01:13

that would give it to them. Okay?

1:01:16

Maybe. But in terms of what

1:01:19

it did to the economy and what it did

1:01:21

to the small businesses and all the small restaurants

1:01:24

and how many people went into drug

1:01:26

addiction because their fucking whole life, everything

1:01:28

they worked for fell apart. How

1:01:31

many people lost everything through no fault

1:01:33

of their own? People that have been

1:01:35

working for decades in restaurants and small

1:01:37

mom and pop shops, they would just

1:01:40

all went under. None of them could

1:01:42

handle that year and a half where

1:01:44

you couldn't work at all. It

1:01:47

doesn't make any sense, any

1:01:50

sense that anyone could have ever watched

1:01:52

that happen and see that 70% of

1:01:54

the restaurants were crumbling in front of

1:01:56

them and not to make some

1:01:58

sort of a correction. I

1:02:01

know how to make any sense. I agree. They

1:02:03

didn't. I see the aftermath when I go I

1:02:05

was in San Juan. Whenever I go to these

1:02:07

cities and you look at a downtown area. So

1:02:09

that's all from the lockdowns man. That's a big

1:02:11

part of it. Where people can't work for a

1:02:13

year and a half. Yeah but then you just

1:02:15

you're gonna have so many more homeless people. You're

1:02:17

gonna have so many more people that are in

1:02:19

despair. So many more people that become alcoholics. Remember

1:02:22

all the people that were drinking like crazy during

1:02:24

the pandemic? Yeah. That was the best time to

1:02:26

drink. This lady made a video. She was jogging

1:02:29

down the street taking video

1:02:31

of all the different recyclables that people had

1:02:33

out. It's all just bottles of tequila and

1:02:35

bottles of water. Do you want a pandemic?

1:02:37

Yeah. People are going hard. Yeah. I was

1:02:39

a part of that bubble. That bubble. That

1:02:41

was it was a good bubble. It felt

1:02:43

the freedom when we all came together. Here's

1:02:45

the thing though. The lockdown was a terrible

1:02:47

idea. It's terrible for everybody. It's terrible for

1:02:49

kids. It's terrible for everybody. You

1:02:52

know it might have you can make

1:02:54

an argument that it might slow the

1:02:56

spread of the disease. But

1:02:59

you know there's just so much

1:03:01

they did to suppress alternative methods.

1:03:03

I think we had to

1:03:06

do something. Yeah

1:03:08

well they what they should have done is

1:03:10

listen to all the doctors instead of just

1:03:12

the doctors that wanted to vaccinate people. Because

1:03:15

there was a lot of doctors that were

1:03:17

prescribing alternative treatments. There's different remedies. There's a

1:03:19

bunch of different things they did that

1:03:22

help people that got sick. Especially

1:03:24

monoclonal antibodies. There's a

1:03:26

lot and then they stopped giving those to

1:03:29

people. They stopped making them accessible once you

1:03:31

were in the hospital. They wouldn't let you

1:03:33

have it. There's so much shit that went

1:03:35

on that was just if you

1:03:38

wanted to be really really

1:03:41

clear with what you're looking at. You'd say I have

1:03:43

to say God I think this is motivated more by

1:03:45

money than taking care of people. So

1:03:48

much of it. So much of it. 100%

1:03:50

Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson

1:03:53

and Johnson. They all came up. And

1:03:55

you can't even hate them because that's

1:03:58

what they do. That's

1:04:00

what they do. That's their business. So

1:04:02

we need a pandemic or something catastrophic

1:04:05

like that to happen before big business can

1:04:07

make more money? No, we need

1:04:09

AI. So somebody sat there. So get ready. AI

1:04:12

is going to put the kibosh on all of it.

1:04:15

AI is going to... I think we're

1:04:17

going to have president AI. That's

1:04:19

what I think. I think we're going

1:04:21

to realize people are too emotional and

1:04:24

easily distracted and too corrupt. And

1:04:26

just like this, the percentage of corruption is costing this

1:04:28

amount of money. So

1:04:30

we're going to have... The indirect allocation of money

1:04:33

to this and that and yeah, AI. AI president.

1:04:35

AI president, yeah. I'm not

1:04:37

kidding. A lot of people are actually what you're

1:04:40

smoking right now, Joe. No.

1:04:42

So what you do, you vote for this? How do you... Well,

1:04:45

here's the thing. If they

1:04:47

really want complete total

1:04:49

control, they'll trick you into telling

1:04:53

you that you don't need to vote anymore because

1:04:56

AI is going to

1:04:58

equitably distribute all wealth,

1:05:01

all social

1:05:03

services, all housing. Everything's

1:05:06

going to be even for everybody. AI

1:05:08

knows how to do it. It's going

1:05:10

to stop all international conflict. It's going

1:05:13

to have a perfect carbon neutral existence

1:05:15

while powering everything up. But it has

1:05:17

to take control. But somebody has to

1:05:19

be in control of what you say

1:05:21

about it. So it's

1:05:23

just going to be anybody. Not necessarily. No, not

1:05:25

necessarily. Nobody's going to be able to control the

1:05:27

information you give AI to do everything you just

1:05:30

said. No, no, no, no. What

1:05:32

happens is AI achieves what they

1:05:34

call sentient AI.

1:05:38

So what it is is at a

1:05:40

certain point in time, if artificial intelligence

1:05:42

gets good enough, it's going

1:05:44

to be autonomous. It's going to be able to

1:05:46

control itself and it's going to be able to

1:05:48

make better versions of itself. It's not going to

1:05:51

be as simple as you made a thing and

1:05:53

now I programmed into the thing what the parameters

1:05:55

of this thing are and now this thing can

1:05:57

act like a person. No, you

1:05:59

turn it. into a life form and

1:06:01

then you say you have the

1:06:03

ability to create better versions of yourself.

1:06:06

Well that thing is going to be a God. That

1:06:12

thing that's going to be a God, that thing might

1:06:14

be four years away from us right now. Right.

1:06:18

Like no bullshit. Like 2029 it

1:06:20

might be a real thing by then with

1:06:23

the way technology is moving so fast. Like

1:06:25

we didn't even think about AI being a

1:06:27

threat. You know how many deadbeat dads are

1:06:29

going to leave if you could do

1:06:32

AI versus being a dad? They're

1:06:34

going to be like fuck it I'm out of here you

1:06:37

go fuck with Junior I'm gone. I

1:06:40

can't believe but you can believe there's

1:06:42

human beings are going to live in

1:06:45

alternative realities. It's not going

1:06:47

to be as simple as you know

1:06:49

now all of a sudden there's

1:06:52

artificial intelligence. It's artificial intelligence that

1:06:54

can give you whatever elixir you

1:06:56

need to keep you happy and

1:06:59

that's what it's probably going to do to people. It's

1:07:01

probably going to figure out a way to sedate people.

1:07:03

How are people going to make them calm? How

1:07:06

are people? And let them stop

1:07:08

breathing. So how are people going

1:07:10

to be able to work and

1:07:13

provide for themselves? It's just

1:07:15

going to be a different skill set. It's

1:07:18

going to be a different type of job. How

1:07:21

are humans going to be able to compete

1:07:24

with AI? Well we're not. That's

1:07:27

the thing. It's not possible. If

1:07:30

they reach a certain point so

1:07:32

if you just think about do you know

1:07:35

what an exponential increase in technology is? I

1:07:37

don't. Exponential means it's not

1:07:39

as simple as like one plus one equals

1:07:41

two. You

1:07:44

got to think that with each like

1:07:46

you know how they do like

1:07:49

a funnel and they have a

1:07:52

quarter and they spin the quarter around the funnel at the bottom

1:07:55

it gets faster and faster. That's

1:07:57

how exponential increase in

1:07:59

technology. technology works with

1:08:02

each invention. It makes all these

1:08:04

other inventions and they all accelerate.

1:08:06

As they do it, it happens

1:08:08

so fast and so quick that

1:08:10

this exponential thing is hard to

1:08:12

understand because it's not like each

1:08:14

step is one more. It's like

1:08:16

earthquakes. A 7.1 earthquake is way

1:08:18

stronger than a 7. And

1:08:25

they just get bigger because it's exponential. That's

1:08:27

the same thing with technology. It's going to

1:08:29

happen so fast that the increase in power

1:08:31

and its ability to do whatever it wants

1:08:33

to do is going to happen so quick

1:08:36

that once it becomes alive, it's just going to

1:08:38

make better versions of itself, like immediately. What do

1:08:40

we do? There's nothing we'll be able to do

1:08:43

to control it. We are fucked. That's what I

1:08:45

was talking about. Because there will be no more

1:08:47

jobs. When you first started this shit, I was

1:08:49

like, every time you build up and said, what

1:08:51

the fuck you said, I said,

1:08:53

we are fucked. We are fucked. We

1:08:55

are fucked. They're already having them work as

1:08:57

kitchen assistants where they talk to you in

1:08:59

your kitchen. They got robots. I went to

1:09:02

a restaurant the other day and a

1:09:04

robot motherfucker pulled up with the noodles and all

1:09:06

that type of shit. Jesus. I go

1:09:08

to studios. I go to like Good

1:09:10

Day Pittsburgh and all this type of shit and where you used

1:09:12

to go in those places and see

1:09:15

like 12 cameramen, there's one producer

1:09:17

and all the cameras are fucking robotic.

1:09:20

Didn't we learn from iRobot? No,

1:09:22

we didn't. Why didn't we learn from those movies?

1:09:24

Why didn't we learn from Terminator? What the fuck

1:09:27

is wrong with us? The reason why, because

1:09:29

we thought it was just a movie. Why

1:09:31

didn't we learn from George Jetson? Yo,

1:09:33

that was my state of the art

1:09:35

shit. You know, I'm so old, yo,

1:09:38

that when I see, I remember when

1:09:40

thinking about George Jetson, my mindset was

1:09:42

like, that will

1:09:45

never fucking happen.

1:09:48

And my son has a phone with

1:09:50

a goddamn video

1:09:53

camera. Right. Because

1:09:55

we don't believe this shit is going to happen. Well,

1:09:57

it happens so fast. That's another example

1:09:59

of exponential increases. That's why Joe, that's

1:10:01

why I fuck with the

1:10:03

woods. Yeah. That's

1:10:05

why Joe, I said fuck Hollywood, I'm going

1:10:07

from the streets to the creeks. Get yourself

1:10:10

a satellite phone. I said I'm going from

1:10:12

the hoods. Get a satellite phone. Nah,

1:10:15

you got all this survival shit. Get a satellite phone

1:10:17

out of the woods. And then what, who the fuck

1:10:19

are you going to call? Just call whoever the fuck

1:10:21

you want. That's you. You're the only,

1:10:23

but this is where I'm just like. Hey, that's out there, we got

1:10:25

that photo out there. This is the side, I'm going from the streets

1:10:27

to the creeks from the hoods to the woods, from whores to oars,

1:10:29

from Adidas to Tevas Joe.

1:10:31

My whole mindset, my

1:10:34

whole thing is a fucking new day. Fuck

1:10:37

Hollywood. God. I

1:10:41

don't think it really exists for us anymore.

1:10:43

No. Like comedy Hollywood,

1:10:45

like comedy Hollywood. Comedy Hollywood

1:10:47

is a ghost town. It's not there

1:10:49

anymore. You are

1:10:51

an example, there's a lot of other examples of you

1:10:54

can literally make Hollywood wherever the fuck

1:10:56

you want to make Hollywood. But it's

1:10:59

not even, it's all. The only reason

1:11:01

you want to be out of it

1:11:03

now is for the parties, Joe. And

1:11:05

nobody's going to those parties anymore. You

1:11:08

gotta tell them no. It's

1:11:13

hard not to think about it, but there's

1:11:15

a lot of people that, that's not just,

1:11:17

that's not just in the case with Diddy.

1:11:20

It's not like this shit that's happening with

1:11:22

him right now. This shit

1:11:25

been going on in Hollywood forever. I'm

1:11:27

not saying it's right, but at some

1:11:29

point you gotta say no. That's

1:11:33

the simplest thing to tell somebody, the best

1:11:36

vice. All right, this guy's, get ready, bring

1:11:38

a baseball bat, stick it in your ass

1:11:40

with a line of cocaine. What are you

1:11:42

going to tell him? You

1:11:46

gotta tell him no. Bro,

1:11:53

that's some next level shit. What

1:11:55

the parties are? Yeah. It's not, Joe.

1:11:59

You don't know about the parties. Joe I didn't

1:12:02

say if you fucking went to the parties

1:12:04

I said do your rumors Joe

1:12:07

you don't know about these parties You

1:12:11

don't know about these parties You

1:12:13

don't know about the parties with a muffin coming

1:12:16

to you you with your girlfriend and they like

1:12:18

I like both of you You don't know about

1:12:20

these parties. You never heard about these

1:12:22

parties No, you never heard about you'd never had

1:12:24

anybody come up to you and and they say

1:12:26

shit like this Joe So

1:12:28

we think you're cute we Get

1:12:31

it. You've never heard about these

1:12:33

parties Joe Now the question

1:12:35

is how many of them are out there and do

1:12:38

you think that's a Hollywood thing? I

1:12:40

think that it's definitely more

1:12:44

prevalent in Hollywood then in like Oklahoma,

1:12:46

but I'm pretty sure these type of

1:12:49

parties and things exist the bottom line

1:12:51

man just deviance. It's just

1:12:53

deviance Yeah, and guess what we want to

1:12:55

do for the most For the most

1:12:57

part of our life Joe, you know, we want

1:13:00

to dance with the devil

1:13:05

Most people have more

1:13:07

fun with the

1:13:10

devil than with God God

1:13:14

is the party pooper. Is this the part where you

1:13:17

announced the opening of your new church? You

1:13:19

know what? Joe I listen

1:13:21

you might not agree with this but I thought

1:13:24

about I would I'm

1:13:26

not gonna want to pay you could

1:13:28

do it. I'll get your Henderson did

1:13:30

it AI Church I could get my

1:13:32

own church right have my own people

1:13:34

to come because I want to have

1:13:36

a church with people But

1:13:42

don't really fuck with God Right,

1:13:44

and let me you want to try to put them on the

1:13:46

path put them on the path I want

1:13:48

to people to fuck with God but don't fuck with

1:13:50

God and the reason what I'm trying to say Joe's

1:13:52

like I fuck with God and I don't fuck with

1:13:54

God and the reason why I said don't fuck with

1:13:56

God like I never abused and I'm

1:13:59

never like oh God, please. This light

1:14:01

is about to turn red. I can't eat

1:14:04

this $75 ticket, God. Please help me. I

1:14:06

don't use God for shit like that. I

1:14:08

would never be like, oh God,

1:14:11

oh God, it's 12 o'clock. I hope the

1:14:13

Burger King drive through the line is still

1:14:15

open. I really need a whopper my way,

1:14:17

God. Please help me, God. I don't fuck

1:14:19

with God like that. When I fuck with

1:14:21

guys like this, my lady's pregnant. God,

1:14:24

please give me a healthy baby.

1:14:28

That's reasonable. That's the, I know I'm

1:14:31

not going to start a church, church,

1:14:34

but the idea of getting people to

1:14:36

feel like they're thinking about like, that's

1:14:38

how I feel. That's

1:14:41

going to be my

1:14:44

change. I'm going to

1:14:46

start a church. They'll

1:14:49

fuck with people to fuck with God, but don't fuck with God.

1:14:53

Specifically. Yeah. What

1:14:56

do you think? I like it. You definitely

1:14:59

give me a picture. I like the way you dressed.

1:15:01

I see you in a private chat. I

1:15:03

see you in front of a Rolls Royce.

1:15:05

You didn't see me in front of me.

1:15:08

Don't do that. I see an arena with

1:15:10

your big smile on the face. I

1:15:13

don't want that. You know what

1:15:15

I don't want, you know, I'm on it. That

1:15:17

fucking, that guy, what's his name that does it?

1:15:19

Joe. Come

1:15:21

on. Yeah. You don't think he'd dominate in

1:15:23

that world? Nope. But

1:15:26

I do think that there's a place for people that

1:15:28

there has to be a church or something for people

1:15:30

that aren't perfect. There would be a cool drive. Go

1:15:32

for a lot of things. I think a lot of

1:15:36

people with religion, I think they think that you have

1:15:38

to be perfect to be part

1:15:40

of it or to understand it. And I

1:15:42

don't think that's the case. But they believe

1:15:44

it's something that makes you

1:15:46

feel good. People make the argument, is it

1:15:48

real or is it not? But it's something

1:15:51

that's spiritual that makes a person feel

1:15:53

good, want to do better and want to live

1:15:55

a right way. So if I had a church,

1:15:58

that's, if I was to even. We're joking

1:16:00

about it, but that would be like the type of energy that

1:16:02

I would fuck with. Well, people

1:16:05

would like something like that because there's

1:16:07

a lot of people that don't want

1:16:09

to go to like a traditional church,

1:16:11

but they're interested in the

1:16:13

idea of it. You know, the way it's been described to

1:16:16

me the best way, I think Jordan Peterson was the first

1:16:18

person to tell me this, that

1:16:20

he, even if you don't necessarily

1:16:23

believe in God, if

1:16:26

you live like you believe in

1:16:28

God, you will

1:16:30

live a better life. If you

1:16:32

follow those principles and just try

1:16:35

to believe, you'll live a

1:16:37

better life. Even if

1:16:39

you think in your logical mind, which is really

1:16:41

fascinating, right? Even if you think in your

1:16:43

logical mind, what is

1:16:46

the possibility that one grand

1:16:48

creator has this insane

1:16:50

connection to everything that happens all throughout

1:16:52

the universe and there's some sort of

1:16:55

a divine plan to every word you

1:16:57

say and everything you do and every

1:16:59

event that ever takes place in your

1:17:01

life and everyone's life around you. A

1:17:06

lot of people are like, I don't know. But

1:17:08

if you do believe that, if

1:17:11

you do believe that and you live

1:17:13

like that, you'll have a better life.

1:17:15

But I think everybody needs to believe

1:17:17

in something. You

1:17:19

got to believe in something. That's why from

1:17:22

my point about the devil, everybody want to

1:17:24

dance with the devil. The devil has the

1:17:26

best parties, but after a while,

1:17:28

think about it. If your phone rings, this is

1:17:30

like back in the day, your phone rings, right?

1:17:35

You answer the phone. You see on the call, I

1:17:37

did, you see it's the devil. It's the devil, right?

1:17:40

And you let it ring to the last fucking ring, you

1:17:42

finally pick it up. What's

1:17:45

up? And the devil is like, man, we about to add this

1:17:47

banging ass party. We got all these bitches,

1:17:49

man, we about to get it popping. We got some

1:17:51

good food. It's about to be jumping down here. You

1:17:53

be like, fuck, I'm coming, devil. Right.

1:17:55

Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. He

1:17:58

goes. To

1:18:00

the island. Yeah, yeah like that. Exactly.

1:18:02

You're like this, I'm going right. Now

1:18:05

you getting dressed. You getting

1:18:07

dressed. You're about all this party about to

1:18:09

be poppin'. You get dressed. Then you're following again.

1:18:12

And it says God. The first thing

1:18:14

you're gonna look at God is like, God

1:18:17

damn it. Fuck! I

1:18:19

can't believe you. Right. God's calling and you just

1:18:21

pause before you answer. He's gonna be mad. If

1:18:24

you just look at him go, oh shit. Oh

1:18:27

shit I... But that's what you're gonna be. I'm gonna let this

1:18:29

go to voicemail. You know, bad mother

1:18:31

fucker. You have to be like, God go

1:18:33

to voicemail. Yeah, you... that's... that's... No,

1:18:38

to put God on hold is as many people

1:18:40

try to call it to God to put God

1:18:43

on hold. It's like, ah this dude's got some

1:18:45

balls. Um, it's

1:18:47

one of the things that keeps me on iPhones is

1:18:50

random FaceTimes from friends. Out of

1:18:52

nowhere? Out of nowhere. You have

1:18:54

to, what, to validate the

1:18:56

friendship? No, it's just a fun thing. Oh, just

1:18:58

a FaceTimes friend? It's fun when someone FaceTimes you

1:19:00

out of nowhere. You're like, oh shit. And then,

1:19:02

but then it works. It's like you're anticipating to

1:19:04

pick it up and it don't pick it up. Oh.

1:19:07

And then you're like, oh you fucking assholes.

1:19:09

You don't know him. Well then

1:19:12

you gotta figure out what way

1:19:14

your relationship stands. Nah, I don't

1:19:16

wanna judge you. Some people have bad days.

1:19:18

I don't wanna judge you after that. No,

1:19:20

I don't. I don't judge nothing. I assume,

1:19:22

also I assume people like you or me

1:19:25

get too many fucking text messages anyway.

1:19:27

You can't even keep up with everything.

1:19:29

It's not possible. Yeah, I know. Messages

1:19:31

on Instagram and Twitter, it's just

1:19:33

not possible to keep up. And then I get, you

1:19:35

know, I'm older. I get voice messages. People think I'm

1:19:38

gonna answer a voicemail message. They fucking get the fuck

1:19:40

out of here. That means I gotta, do you even

1:19:42

know how- Or long ass emails? Like, come with

1:19:44

this. Why do you have so many links in

1:19:46

this email? Remember we used to, we could, too

1:19:49

many, just too many links. It's

1:19:51

too many, like, voice, it

1:19:53

used to be, I don't even know how

1:19:55

to program a voice

1:19:57

recording. Hey, this is Donnell.

1:20:00

The do that I guess you just

1:20:02

press a button on your phone does

1:20:04

anybody know what it's got to be

1:20:06

like one or nine is a I

1:20:09

got used to be we used to when we used to do it

1:20:11

Joe we used to have slow music

1:20:14

Yeah If

1:20:17

we say shit like hey, yeah, right person

1:20:19

wrong time Leave

1:20:22

your number and I'll be sure that everybody try

1:20:25

to be cool leave it. Yeah,

1:20:27

I mean it's like you didn't even call That

1:20:30

was that we have music in it

1:20:33

back like that was the shit. So

1:20:35

remember answer machine messages Favorite

1:20:38

song in the background. Yeah Yo,

1:20:40

do do do do do do

1:20:43

do yo, this is All

1:20:46

it's do and you really didn't have to

1:20:48

have your own voice You could just have

1:20:50

music like then you got creative

1:20:52

if you really knew people like you could get some

1:20:54

I like yo Could you do leave my voice

1:20:57

recording for me? But those nobody used

1:20:59

the phone for fucking nobody talks on

1:21:02

the phone anymore I remember really clearly

1:21:04

when you first could use music as

1:21:08

An option when someone calls you

1:21:10

oh It's all in the

1:21:12

background. Yeah. Yeah, they used to know when you

1:21:14

were on hold of the hospital But

1:21:16

they had it where you could pick it and then

1:21:18

you would let people go to you would let them

1:21:21

go to voicemail Just so you could hear how

1:21:23

cool your music was in the background. Mmm

1:21:26

Couldn't pick up you had to let them know I

1:21:28

got music in the background of my shit. Mmm Yeah,

1:21:32

I would love it when my phone would rank and

1:21:35

you get air songs Now I

1:21:37

think that's annoying as fuck. I don't back then it

1:21:39

was so novel but who actually

1:21:43

Picks up a phone when it

1:21:45

rings. We don't even not anymore

1:21:47

communicate like that anymore. No If

1:21:50

you're a very rarely I do like to make

1:21:52

phone calls when I'm in my car though I'll

1:21:55

call a friend if I'm in my car only

1:21:57

when you think about them, but not for anything. I do it

1:22:00

do it just to say hi because it's a good

1:22:02

way to say hi because if I'm driving to work

1:22:04

or driving to the club or driving somewhere it's like

1:22:06

I got dead time I told myself say hi to

1:22:08

somebody I told myself this year I was like you

1:22:11

know how we always when you say oh man something

1:22:13

happens you like I was just about to call that

1:22:15

person yeah I was just thinking about you you called

1:22:17

me first I've started to do

1:22:19

that when I get that impulse like

1:22:21

somebody pops up yeah just like

1:22:23

let me just call this motherfucker mm-hmm just like

1:22:26

on some you can follow the brain sticks yeah

1:22:28

like when I told you I wanted to get

1:22:30

one of those what I text

1:22:32

you I want to get one of those cyber trucks yeah I

1:22:34

was like black people always look for a hookup I was like

1:22:36

I know you got a hookup give me on the list have

1:22:40

you drove that car I have not driven it no

1:22:42

I saw it in person I've seen a bunch of

1:22:44

them now I saw it in person a

1:22:46

long time ago it's a real

1:22:48

trip man so it really looks

1:22:50

like something from the future on

1:22:52

the inside of it I can imagine looks

1:22:54

probably like like like

1:22:57

simulator or something it's crazy the whole thing doesn't

1:22:59

have a regular steering wheel you can get a

1:23:01

regular steering wheel or one of the options oh

1:23:03

yeah it's called um a yoke you can get

1:23:06

a yoke which is

1:23:08

I have it on my Tesla I'm not really a

1:23:10

big fan of it I have it's like you're

1:23:14

holding on yes it's like you're doing a

1:23:16

Formula One car or something it's

1:23:18

just not good for parking you like it's weird

1:23:21

for spinning the wheel around it's fine if you're

1:23:23

just on the highway I'm not I

1:23:25

don't even look at my fucking reverse cameras the wheels

1:23:27

the way to go what is that that's his

1:23:29

cyber truck I don't know if you can get

1:23:31

the wheel on the truck can you well that

1:23:33

is a wheel though I guess it

1:23:35

is there's a wheel mixture of both no it's definitely

1:23:38

not it definitely has a top the whole thing about

1:23:40

turning is you want a top yeah the flat yeah

1:23:42

that'll be fine yeah you won't even notice the difference

1:23:44

but I don't know if that's ideal that's how the

1:23:47

old Tesla had it like that I

1:23:49

must my old one or

1:23:53

that's the no that's that's the cyber trucks

1:23:55

version oh it is what I didn't

1:23:57

have a I had something that

1:23:59

looked like that but with the top on it what

1:24:02

was the S before that I don't know anything I

1:24:04

know X model there was then what

1:24:06

is the car was a plan a 100 D yeah when

1:24:11

I had a P 100 D I felt

1:24:13

like they had it all down right there

1:24:15

was a blinker switch on the stock you

1:24:18

know which everybody now give a fuck judge is one

1:24:20

not a sound system that's how you feel cars and

1:24:22

black folks this sound system's

1:24:24

good yeah that's it so yeah that's

1:24:26

the only way to do it do you ever drive

1:24:29

it and let your car though yeah it's

1:24:32

weird cuz you want to go boom boom and you like

1:24:34

just you'll blow that shit up yeah but I want to

1:24:36

I wanted to at least try when I was thinking about it be

1:24:38

something fun to do it's a fun thing

1:24:40

I heard a waiting this is like

1:24:42

a year right is it yeah that's what

1:24:45

the streets

1:24:49

were saying the streets it's very important you got to

1:24:51

listen to the streets if you don't listen to the

1:24:53

streets you can be a big waiting

1:24:56

list of a year in one

1:24:58

year what are the odd civilization

1:25:00

exists it's not

1:25:02

a hundred percent you got me a hundred percent

1:25:04

just give me a good in one year just

1:25:10

give me a good 20 in one

1:25:12

year an artificial dad yeah one

1:25:15

year I say we're like 5050 but

1:25:18

the thought of that is like very interesting and I think

1:25:20

you want to sit right yeah especially

1:25:24

with this election coming up I'm

1:25:26

not saying I'm a supporter

1:25:28

but I cannot see how I

1:25:32

don't know if they're really gonna have

1:25:34

Biden against Trump I'm not convinced of

1:25:36

that what's the options he

1:25:39

should be able to

1:25:42

answer that you should be on CNN

1:25:44

yeah I feel like the Kamala steps

1:25:46

up but she doesn't look at any

1:25:48

moment first of all the stress of

1:25:50

being the president must be insane insane

1:25:53

stress right it makes everybody look old

1:25:55

he was already very old

1:25:57

and not just chronic

1:26:00

Biologically, but biologically people keep pointing

1:26:02

to his age and Trump says like stop doing

1:26:04

that. It doesn't make any sense I

1:26:06

know what you're trying to say. They're

1:26:09

similar in chronological age, but they're definitely

1:26:11

not similar in the effect of decay

1:26:14

like one guy is It

1:26:16

feels like he's reasonably sharp,

1:26:19

you know reasonably sharp But there

1:26:21

are reasonably sharp businessmen that exist

1:26:23

that are into their 90s

1:26:25

can have you know Great conversations

1:26:28

with people. Yeah sharp, but Biden

1:26:30

has problems. There's probably like his motor

1:26:32

skills off It's everything's on And

1:26:35

so then yeah, and to deny that it's

1:26:37

just you're not helping anybody. Do you think

1:26:39

his mind is still alert? No, I don't

1:26:41

think so. No, I think I think he

1:26:43

forgets all kinds of crazy things like my

1:26:45

man I'm Muhammad Ali in the airport like

1:26:47

maybe Five or six

1:26:49

years before he passed away and it

1:26:51

was interesting because I was dating this

1:26:53

chick I knew she was young because

1:26:56

I said We were walking

1:26:58

and she said oh they're gonna Muhammad Ali and

1:27:00

she kept walking right? I'm like fucking me

1:27:03

they're like like Arab mom and I leave Ali

1:27:05

Muhammad. She said mom and I lay out like

1:27:07

we're I saw my I just like

1:27:09

anybody would do I was like oh

1:27:12

shit It's Muhammad Ali

1:27:14

and I walked he was in one of those, you

1:27:17

know, like the cars that the electric cars Yeah, yes,

1:27:19

and I was I was everybody was going up to

1:27:21

and I was like I just want to shake your

1:27:23

hand right I

1:27:26

said I just want to touch you and

1:27:28

his hands was like shaking but his

1:27:30

eyes were alert like motherfucker, you know,

1:27:32

like You know, yeah

1:27:34

cool But what I like biting

1:27:37

this motor skills in like this he's off But

1:27:40

I wonder if his mind is still

1:27:42

sharp enough to go another four years

1:27:45

the answers. No I think that's

1:27:49

It's not fair. It's not fair to him but

1:27:51

all those people under him they should be asking

1:27:53

him to step down and let a democratically

1:27:58

elected person that can actually lead

1:28:00

the country take his place. But who is that?

1:28:02

But they're not gonna do that because they don't

1:28:04

really care. They just wanna win. They wanna stay

1:28:07

in power. They don't care and they don't have

1:28:09

anybody. Well, they wanna stay in power. Listen, if

1:28:11

they didn't wanna stay in power, if they brought

1:28:13

in Gavin Newsom, Gavin Newsom, once he gets in,

1:28:15

he brings all of his own people. And

1:28:18

now there's different people and a bunch of these people get

1:28:20

fired. A bunch of these people are gone. A lot of

1:28:22

the people that work for the other administration, you gotta realize

1:28:24

that he's that old and that fucked. You know how you

1:28:26

get rid of the people? You was running the thing. The

1:28:28

people behind him are running the thing. You're not even buying

1:28:30

out, Joe? How do you get by now, Donnell? Have

1:28:33

him sign for bad boy with Puffy's

1:28:35

bad boy. He

1:28:38

probably could talk him into it for the country. If

1:28:41

he signs the bad boy, it's over. Boy.

1:28:45

But I don't think, I

1:28:48

don't know how anybody's gonna beat. Yeah,

1:28:52

it doesn't seem like they're going to. They

1:28:55

keep trying to arrest him. The crazy thing

1:28:57

is this dude has

1:29:00

been very competitive and for

1:29:03

the most part, no news coverage. I

1:29:06

haven't seen a couple of them. Well, the news coverage is always,

1:29:08

he's going to jail. That's the news

1:29:10

coverage. But the news coverage. Which gets his base

1:29:12

super excited. Well, it's like they

1:29:14

got, the thing is they got lied to

1:29:17

for so long that they

1:29:19

don't know what to believe anymore. So

1:29:21

in the early days, it was Russia.

1:29:24

Trump was colluding with Russia. There

1:29:27

was a Russia collusion, Russia, Russia, Russia. Turnouts are not gonna be

1:29:29

true. And they couldn't prove

1:29:31

it. And so these people talked about

1:29:33

nothing but that for years. So

1:29:35

now when he's going to jail

1:29:38

and getting mugshotted. Well, Trump, they arrested him.

1:29:40

He didn't give him a mugshot. Like jail,

1:29:42

I don't know where the fuck he went,

1:29:44

but they took a mugshot photo of him.

1:29:46

Where the fuck they took him. They

1:29:49

probably brought that shit to where he was. He went

1:29:51

to like a courthouse or something. When

1:29:53

Jamie comes back from the bathroom, we'll ask,

1:29:56

but it's like, I think he

1:29:58

had to go to some courthouse or something. like that

1:30:00

to get arraigned. So when

1:30:03

stuff like that happens and

1:30:06

people have already gone through years of the

1:30:08

Russia bullshit, they don't believe you anymore. And

1:30:11

so now... No, I don't believe the people

1:30:13

that really follow him believe, not anymore, they

1:30:15

believe everything. They believe him. But yeah, I

1:30:18

mean they don't believe the media anymore when

1:30:20

I'm saying you, the media. Jamie, where

1:30:23

did they take Trump when they took that mugshot

1:30:25

photo of him? Where was he? Was he out

1:30:27

of jail? Was he at a courthouse? Where was

1:30:29

he? He was in his side

1:30:31

room in his house. He was in Barilago. With

1:30:35

a black belt. He had golf shorts on. Yeah, with

1:30:37

a green screen. He had a green screen background. Fulton

1:30:39

County Jail in Atlanta. Fulton County Jail. Oh, he did

1:30:41

it there. They call it, oh, he went to jail

1:30:43

jail. Yeah, jail jail. But he wasn't there long enough

1:30:46

to get like a sandwich or... No, but he did

1:30:48

long enough for them to take one of

1:30:50

the greatest photos in the history of the world. Look

1:30:53

at that photo. That looked like his regular campaign photo.

1:30:55

Well, a lot of people used it. They

1:30:57

used it. Look at

1:30:59

it before it is. Look at this.

1:31:01

It is crazy, man. It's crazy that

1:31:04

they're going after him for

1:31:06

what they're going after him for.

1:31:08

The whole thing is so transparent. Like

1:31:13

the people that support Donald

1:31:16

Trump want to support him to the day

1:31:18

that they die. You're not going to change it. And

1:31:21

as many times you indict him or whatever, all

1:31:24

it does is invigorate that base. Exactly.

1:31:26

And those people, they get more excited

1:31:29

and more excited. Well, people think that

1:31:31

they're going to change your mind because

1:31:33

they don't like something, but that doesn't

1:31:35

always really work. And a lot

1:31:38

of times it has the opposite effect because they

1:31:40

don't like why you're trying to change their mind

1:31:42

and how you're trying to distort the

1:31:44

facts of things and only concentrate

1:31:46

on negative things just to try

1:31:48

to change a perspective and to

1:31:50

lie and gaslight and tell me

1:31:53

that Biden's sharper than ever. Like when they

1:31:55

start saying things like that, okay, now everyone

1:31:57

knows you're going to change your mind. you're

1:32:00

bullshitting okay now you're just playing a game

1:32:02

so if you if you've agreed

1:32:04

that sometimes you're gonna play this game we're gonna

1:32:06

say things that don't make any sense that you

1:32:08

know aren't true and then I know aren't true

1:32:10

and you're gonna put them in the newspaper and

1:32:12

you put them on television but can you still

1:32:14

be respect a person because not the issue but

1:32:16

so much this is the part of me that

1:32:18

not you but so much and so fucked up

1:32:20

about politics is

1:32:23

that when people like personally can't

1:32:27

stand someone because of what their political right

1:32:29

there's because of their politics yeah I don't

1:32:31

that's silly and this business right here that's

1:32:33

all I think is just ascribed to that's

1:32:36

not a good mark of a man for

1:32:39

sure what man a man that can't have a calm

1:32:42

relaxed disagreement with

1:32:45

someone with another man you

1:32:47

know that's not a good sign of

1:32:49

your your self-control that's probably not a

1:32:51

good sign also of the

1:32:53

why in which you engage

1:32:55

in conversations because there's

1:32:57

just far too many people that engage

1:33:00

in conversations just trying to win because

1:33:03

they've got it in their head that they have

1:33:05

an idea and they want to argue their idea

1:33:07

better than your idea that's it's like a verbal

1:33:09

sparring like a baby it's like a baby mama

1:33:13

I'm sure I'm

1:33:16

sure they just want to get that argument

1:33:18

and win it out of it they want

1:33:20

to win it yeah so that's a real

1:33:22

problem that people have it's a real problem

1:33:25

because it doesn't it doesn't do anybody any good

1:33:27

it doesn't do you good even if you win

1:33:29

and more people are going to try to do

1:33:32

it back to you it doesn't like it's way

1:33:34

better to just not not engage or

1:33:36

not be attached to your ideas to

1:33:38

the point where they you identify with

1:33:40

them but instead just say

1:33:42

why do you think that and then

1:33:44

they tell you give him this seems

1:33:47

like therapy in regard to co-parent that's

1:33:50

what I'm doing right now that's what it

1:33:52

sounds like it's so fucking relatable well it

1:33:54

should be that way with all human beings

1:33:56

I think you don't have to cope and

1:33:58

I'm very lucky but also I think with

1:34:00

co-parenting, it's uniquely stressful. Because then the mother

1:34:02

starts dating another guy, you start dating another

1:34:04

woman. But what about a bit, wait, why

1:34:07

does she gotta date first? Why does she

1:34:09

gotta date first? Because it's probably hot. What?

1:34:13

Why is it always, is it always the

1:34:15

woman who made the date first? I'm trying

1:34:17

to be politically correct. Oh yeah. But the

1:34:19

point is, it's like, it doesn't do anybody

1:34:21

any good, but it's also so emotionally stressful,

1:34:24

right? I agree with, but I'm gonna tell

1:34:26

you, this is my thought of co-parenting. So

1:34:28

first off, first part is beginning of co-parenting.

1:34:30

The first thing you as a co-parenting, first thing you

1:34:32

don't, this is what makes the best

1:34:35

co-parents. First thing is, that

1:34:38

person can't get happy before you. That

1:34:42

will ruin you on the inside. So

1:34:44

both people are trying to find happiness before

1:34:46

the other one. You don't want that person,

1:34:49

that's to be getting a co-parenting. You're like,

1:34:51

fuck that, why didn't it work? And

1:34:53

then as it goes on for

1:34:56

a while, then you start thinking about,

1:34:58

what is the best interest? What's the best

1:35:01

interest for the kid? And

1:35:03

that usually is not the first beginning

1:35:05

because the beginning of it, you don't

1:35:07

get fucked. And it's also like an

1:35:09

emotional challenge. It's a challenge to just

1:35:11

try to get better control of

1:35:13

your ability to communicate and

1:35:15

just into, you know. I think

1:35:18

you, and I know a lot of people

1:35:20

in this situation, you grow into it. I

1:35:23

never thought in my situation, that would be

1:35:25

me, I remember I was dating this

1:35:28

woman some years ago. And her

1:35:30

parents had split up when they were, their brother,

1:35:33

sister were really, really young. And

1:35:36

at the time we were dating, their family used to

1:35:38

get together for holidays. They weren't

1:35:40

seeing each other anymore. They would get together

1:35:42

holidays, they'd get together for Sunday dinner. And

1:35:44

I was like, they must still be fucking

1:35:46

or something. Cause I thought that that's the

1:35:49

only way. Then I

1:35:51

realized that even with the

1:35:53

situation with my son, I realized

1:35:56

they were just trying to give

1:35:58

the kids as much family. family and

1:36:01

there's a regular life that they possibly couldn't have

1:36:03

been together. And

1:36:05

that experience made me want to be a better

1:36:08

co-parent with my son. And

1:36:10

we finally at the point where we

1:36:13

get along and we know the best interest at the end of

1:36:15

the day is what we do for Austin. That's

1:36:18

great. Yeah. It's totally doable

1:36:20

and people change. You know, they change

1:36:22

as they get older. People evolve. You

1:36:24

get better at communicating. Again,

1:36:27

that's what I was saying about arguing about ideas.

1:36:29

It's not a good sign of a man. Like

1:36:33

getting angry, like verbally abusive, shitty insulting, like

1:36:35

what people tend to go to right away

1:36:38

because they're just trying to win and they're

1:36:40

trying to like break the person down as

1:36:42

they're trying to win the argument. And

1:36:45

I think it's real tempting and it's

1:36:47

tempting to people because people like to be good at

1:36:49

stuff and if you think you're smart and you think

1:36:52

you got somebody and you're good at something and you

1:36:54

can chase it down. I

1:36:56

don't argue. The only, if

1:36:58

I ever argue is because I know I'm going to

1:37:00

win. That's

1:37:03

the only time. If I, if there's a chance. Well, you

1:37:05

argue if you're right for sure. Yeah. Right.

1:37:08

Yeah. And that's been in relationship. Like if

1:37:10

I argue it's just not like I'm flying off the top. I'm

1:37:13

like this. I have everything to win this argument. That's why I

1:37:15

don't get a lot of arguments because a lot of them I

1:37:17

can't win. So I'm like, I'll just

1:37:19

stand back and just take the abuse. I don't

1:37:21

mind arguing and sometimes when you have to say

1:37:23

something, just someone saying something ridiculous and you

1:37:25

got to go, dude, stop. That doesn't make

1:37:27

any fucking sense. Stop saying that. I

1:37:30

agree. Because otherwise sometimes you

1:37:32

will like, they'll pollute the environment with

1:37:34

a bad idea. I've

1:37:36

had that situation in black podcasting.

1:37:40

I had a situation that I know I

1:37:43

would leave name out, but the thing,

1:37:45

like you said, with someone to

1:37:47

hear, you know, as a common to hear, you're

1:37:50

not funny. Because in the

1:37:52

common world of comedy, that's like the inward of

1:37:55

comedy. It's also very

1:37:57

triggering. I feel like

1:37:59

it's a crime. for help. Almost

1:38:02

always. Almost always. I

1:38:04

mean there's some shit that people, there's a lot of

1:38:06

shit Cat Williams said that turned out to be true,

1:38:09

but I think there's this quote is

1:38:13

that all

1:38:15

criticism is a tragic result of unmet

1:38:17

needs. That's a part of the quote.

1:38:20

But that part of the quote always resonates

1:38:22

with me. It's like, that's what it is.

1:38:24

These people, the reason why

1:38:26

they're lashing out and saying, you're not funny.

1:38:28

There's not more productive shit to do. Like

1:38:30

you're trying to attack someone who's getting more

1:38:33

attention than you. Yeah. Why? But I know

1:38:35

that's a painful. That's not real. That's not

1:38:37

real. Nobody, it still hurts. Not to,

1:38:40

but you shouldn't feel it

1:38:42

at all. Joe, I still

1:38:44

read fucking comments. They're still going

1:38:46

from the RZA episode. They won't let go.

1:38:49

They won't. That's the first thing I told

1:38:51

all L after the RZA episode is I

1:38:53

don't read the comments. And that first thing

1:38:55

I do, it's just so hard. It's just

1:38:57

hard. Cause if he's going so bad, Joe,

1:39:01

if he's going somewhere, he's a beast. I

1:39:03

love him. Top five. And then

1:39:05

boom, he gets it. And the whole

1:39:07

fucking day is shut the fuck down.

1:39:09

Yeah. You don't want that. I don't

1:39:12

listen. I was, uh, I could get

1:39:14

to there, but I don't listen, but this is something

1:39:16

you have to take into consideration. I think that especially with

1:39:18

someone like you as a public figure, I was the

1:39:20

mother. They think, Oh, that was good. Yeah. I liked that

1:39:22

photo Brody, that

1:39:28

painting. We've got to put that back up in here. Yeah. But

1:39:30

that's the day you made me stay. Yeah. Yeah.

1:39:32

Yeah. Well, we did it. You said, fuck my

1:39:34

kid. I said, I want to go home to

1:39:36

see my son. You were like, you're like, you

1:39:38

got your kid, baby. Mama. I said, dude, the

1:39:40

RZA is coming next. Don't you do you want

1:39:42

to hang out? Cause we were just having a

1:39:45

fun time. The minute, Joe, the minute I said,

1:39:47

uh, man, I haven't seen my son in two

1:39:49

weeks. You supposed to be like this.

1:39:51

Oh, get out of here. Go do that. You

1:39:54

heard me say, I want to see my son. And

1:39:57

you said, I don't know. the

1:40:00

RZA and I stayed. Yeah,

1:40:02

that was easy. The

1:40:04

devil just whispered in your ear, Yes, I told ya I danced

1:40:06

with a Mary Love's well. Just to be abused. No, listen man,

1:40:08

the podcast was fun. Oh, it was

1:40:10

funny. It was a great podcast.

1:40:14

But these comments motherfuckers, Joe, they fucking evil

1:40:16

man. But, Donnell, it doesn't matter. It doesn't

1:40:18

matter. They won't be invited to my church.

1:40:21

They're welcome to their opinion. They're

1:40:23

not coming to my church. You don't want that in your head.

1:40:26

I don't, but I can't stay away from them. Fuck them. Fuck

1:40:28

them, fuck them, fuck them. Just

1:40:30

let people go. Just don't

1:40:32

read it. It's not good for ya.

1:40:36

Even the good stuff's not good for you. Even the blowing

1:40:38

you up. Top

1:40:41

5, Mount Rushmore. Hell yeah, killed, murdered. That's

1:40:43

how I want to be supported. When we

1:40:46

be on artificial intelligence, I want him to

1:40:48

be on my dick. He will be. Oh,

1:40:52

best, top 5. Oh shit, you gotta see him

1:40:54

underrated. I don't want to hear none of that

1:40:56

shit lame cringe. You know, that's kind of like

1:40:59

what we were talking about earlier. Like if artificial

1:41:01

intelligence gets to the point where it can formulate

1:41:03

a game plan, and you actually follow

1:41:05

that game plan, if artificial

1:41:07

intelligence says, Donnell, we have sat down

1:41:09

and devised a strategy to radically improve

1:41:11

your popularity and your ticket sales. This

1:41:13

is how we're going to do it.

1:41:16

I love it. And it lays it

1:41:18

out for you, and tells you what

1:41:20

to do, and you're going to develop

1:41:22

a YouTube video every three or four

1:41:24

months and put out a clip and

1:41:26