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Yevgeny Nuzhin killed a man during a
0:07
robbery in the 1990s, and
0:09
he'd spent two decades in a Russian prison.
0:12
He'd carved out pretty much as
0:14
decent a life as an inmate who's been
0:16
in jail for 20 years could expect in Russia.
0:18
He'd managed to get ahold of a cell phone. That's
0:21
our colleague James Marson.
0:22
He was generally respected
0:26
by other prisoners, the prison guard.
0:28
He'd met a woman online and had married
0:31
her and spent some time with her. So
0:34
he had as decent a life as one could perhaps
0:36
imagine.
0:38
Nuzhin, who was in his mid-50s,
0:41
had five years left on his sentence, but
0:43
he wasn't confident he'd actually be released.
0:46
You know, he said that he was supposed to
0:48
come out in 2027, but he said the Russian legal
0:52
system is capricious. So you
0:55
can be scheduled to be released. But
0:57
he said, if you do something
0:59
that displeases somebody, they will find a way
1:01
to get years added to your sentence.
1:05
Then
1:06
one day last summer, a man
1:08
walked into the prison and offered him
1:10
and many other prisoners a way
1:12
out. So the offer is that
1:14
you come and fight in the war for
1:17
six months, after which you
1:19
are out of jail.
1:22
The man was the founder of a Russian paramilitary
1:24
organization called the Wagner
1:26
Group. He said, there are
1:28
two people who can get you out of here. One
1:31
of them is God, and he offers
1:33
an exit in a wooden box. And
1:35
the other one is me. Nuzhin
1:39
decided to take the deal and fight
1:42
for Wagner in Ukraine. It
1:44
seems like a good offer in some ways, right?
1:47
And I think to a lot of convicts, it seemed like
1:49
an excellent offer.
1:51
I spoke with some ex-convicts who
1:54
said that a lot of people were very
1:56
enthusiastic about it because they saw it as a way not
1:58
to have to spend so much longer.
1:59
In jail, they expected a quick
2:02
victory, but for a lot of them, things didn't
2:04
turn out that way.
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Welcome to The Journal, our show about
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money, business, and power. I'm
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Ryan Knudsen. It's Monday,
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May 1st.
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Coming up on the show, one prisoner's
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choice in what it says about
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Russia's war in Ukraine.
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Our colleague James met you at Genni Nuzion
3:15
last fall. Not long after Nuzion
3:18
accepted that offer to fight for the Russians. So,
3:22
I was writing a completely different story. I
3:25
was intending to write a story about how
3:27
aerial drones, you
3:29
know, the kind that you would use to photograph,
3:31
say, a sports event or a wedding or something like
3:33
that, how those drones were
3:35
being delivered from Western Europe
3:37
to the front line.
3:39
While reporting that story, James traveled
3:41
to a small village in eastern Ukraine where
3:43
he struck up a conversation with a Ukrainian soldier.
3:47
And after a while he said, oh, would you
3:49
like to meet our Wagner prisoner? Their
3:51
Wagner prisoner was Nuzion. James
3:54
followed the soldier to the back garden where Nuzion was
3:57
being held. He
4:00
sat down with him and asked him how he ended
4:03
up there. He came out and
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he's not
4:07
a big guy. He's kind of a small, quite slight
4:09
guy. He looked very tired. He looked
4:12
weary. But his
4:14
mood seemed okay. Of course,
4:16
the first question I asked him is how he was doing, whether
4:18
he was comfortable speaking with me, whether
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it was his choice to speak with me, and all the kind of questions
4:23
you ask of a prisoner of war. And
4:25
he seemed quite
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relaxed. He was very relaxed.
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He
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was not a big guy, but he was a big guy. He was
4:35
a big guy.
4:39
You know, his story began in the
4:41
Soviet Union when he was trying
4:44
to be a welder. He then told
4:47
me about how he was in
4:49
the interior ministry's internal
4:51
troops, like a security force, working
4:54
other jobs, but he just hadn't been getting paid by the
4:56
end of the 1990s. I've seen Mr.
4:58
Fuchen in so many cases. So
5:00
he turned to crime. Then a robbery
5:03
went wrong. He ended up killing
5:05
someone. And he got caught. He
5:07
got sentenced to jail.
5:09
He later made an attempt to escape
5:11
from jail, which was very short-lived,
5:13
and that got some years added to his sentence.
5:19
Nuzhen is one of tens of thousands of prisoners
5:21
in Russia who have been recruited to fight in the war,
5:24
prisoners who have agreed to fight or paid a salary.
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How important are these men
5:30
to Russia's war effort? These
5:33
men have been absolutely critical for Russia's war
5:35
effort. Back last summer, the
5:37
Russian effort in Ukraine was
5:40
wobbling. There
5:41
were gaps in the front lines. The
5:43
Russians had been on the back foot,
5:46
and they'd expended a lot of men and
5:48
equipment trying to advance,
5:51
and the Ukrainians were pushing forward. And
5:54
by bringing in tens of thousands of convicts, what
5:56
the Russians were able to do was to
5:59
shore up.
5:59
and the defensive lines, but also in some
6:02
areas to advance in these kind of brutal,
6:05
brutal assault.
6:07
On August 25th, Nuzion and other
6:09
recruits left the prison and began
6:11
training. For a week, they
6:14
were housed in a form of prison. They
6:16
were trained
6:17
using rifles without bullets, which
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he said to me, well, you know, it's sure
6:21
that they didn't really trust us. And they
6:24
were told very clearly about what their role
6:26
would be. Nuzion told me that they were told
6:28
they would advance on command. And if
6:30
they remained in the trench and didn't advance, no
6:32
matter what was facing them up ahead, they would be shot
6:34
dead
6:35
in the trench by their own side.
6:38
After their week-long training was finished, Nuzion's
6:41
unit deployed to eastern Ukraine. The
6:44
first night he was there, he was told that he
6:46
had to go out in a group and go and
6:48
pick up the dead after
6:50
a battle. It
6:53
was about 8 or 9 pm. Then
6:56
they started gathering two groups for picking up
6:58
the dead. So I signed
7:00
up to that group, 17 people. At
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about 3 or 4 o'clock, we were loaded into
7:05
a pickup truck and taken to a wood.
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On
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his unit's second night out, Nuzion
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said he made a decision. There
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are some kind of gray areas in this
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story where we can never be entirely
7:20
sure exactly what happened because some of
7:22
it is, you know, what happened in between two front
7:25
lines. Some of it is what was going on in his own
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head, which we can
7:29
perhaps never know. What
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he said to me was that he was driven to
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near the front lines, near Bakhut,
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which is a city in eastern Ukraine, that
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was under heavy assault by Wagner at that point.
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And what he told me was that he,
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having planned all
7:47
along to escape and fight
7:49
on the Ukrainian side, he
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took the stretcher that he was carrying
7:54
and he walked, he walked to Ukrainian
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positions and surrendered.
7:59
why he wanted to do that. His
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explanation was that we
8:05
used to live in one big country, the Soviet Union,
8:08
that we shouldn't be fighting, that
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the Putin regime has
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brought us to this war, which we shouldn't be having. He
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mentioned that he had relatives even in
8:18
Ukraine. I
8:21
told him, I've done Ukraine no wrong. I've
8:24
not fired a single shot. My
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goal was just to switch sides and fight for
8:29
Ukraine.
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James
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asked Nuzion if he'd ever go back to Russia. I
8:39
can't. Not while Putin is in power. Even
8:42
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The Ukraine's The Ukraine's
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The Ukraine's The Ukraine's
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After Nuzion surrendered, he told James
9:34
that the Ukrainians had been treating him well.
9:38
He told us that he had been
9:40
given basics like shoes,
9:43
clothes, a towel, things like that.
9:46
He was being fed decently. He
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even struck up something of a relationship with
9:51
one of the Ukrainian soldiers. And they
9:53
used to kind of talk together, spend some time
9:55
together. But the Ukrainians
9:58
were skeptical of his story.
10:00
I asked the Ukrainian group that were holding
10:03
him captive and they said we don't trust him. They said
10:05
we don't believe that he wants to fight for us. So
10:08
he ends up in the hands of the Ukrainians,
10:10
but it's not clear whether he actually intended
10:14
to surrender on purpose or he just got caught.
10:16
And once he got caught, he said, oh, I
10:18
always wanted to join the Ukrainian side.
10:22
Exactly, exactly. I later
10:24
asked a couple of people who have
10:27
been in jail with him in Russia what they
10:29
thought about this and they said
10:30
that they thought that this was something he was making
10:33
up on the fly as kind of a way to stay
10:35
alive, as a way to survive.
10:38
But I asked his son about that and he
10:41
said that in a way it makes
10:44
sense that his father would oppose the
10:46
government that kept him in jail for more than 20 years
10:48
of his life. So
10:51
in that way, that would be him wanting
10:54
to oppose the government that had done that to him
10:57
would make sense.
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Nuzion stuck to his story.
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And in September, a few days before
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James met him, he even appeared in an interview
11:09
on YouTube with a Ukrainian journalist.
11:12
He
11:19
told about his life and then explained
11:21
how he was hoping to fight for the Ukrainians.
11:24
The video on YouTube went viral.
11:27
Now it has more than a million views.
11:30
James and Nuzion spoke for hours. And
11:32
when James had to leave, he told Nuzion
11:35
he wanted to stay in touch. You know, I
11:37
was in good contact with Ukrainians who were holding
11:39
him prisoner. And I said,
11:41
you know, look, we'll
11:43
come back and see you again. You know, we didn't know how
11:46
things would play out, how they would, whether
11:48
he'd be transferred to the custody of other
11:50
Ukrainians, maybe transferred to Kiev, whether
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he'd be transferred to Kiev. And I was interested
11:55
in how, you know, his story would
11:57
develop. And it turned out that he was going to
11:59
be in touch with the
11:59
and had to develop in the most unexpected
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of ways.
12:03
On a Sunday morning last November, James
12:06
was scrolling Twitter when he saw something
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disturbing and gruesome.
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And I see there's, you know, a lot of people, people
12:14
are tweeting about Wagner
12:17
guy, and then I
12:19
see it, the guy's surname, Nuschen, I thought,
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well,
12:23
this was a couple of months later. The
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video was posted on Telegram by a channel
12:28
close to the Wagner group. It
12:30
was titled Hammer of Vengeance, and it showed
12:33
Nuschen apparently back in the hands
12:35
of the Russians.
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So I thought, oh yeah, Nuschen, I thought I recognized that name.
12:38
So I clicked on the video without really
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focusing on what it was going to show, and I saw Nuschen's
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face, and he was,
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his
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head is taped up to this kind of
12:49
brick post, and
12:52
he's saying who he is. And
12:54
then he said, you know, that he'd wanted
12:56
to fight for Ukraine, and
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then suddenly you see there's a guy
13:01
behind him who swings a sledgehammer that smashes him
13:04
in the head, and
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then as Nuschen is lying on the
13:10
ground, the guy smashes him again. The
13:14
journal wasn't able to independently verify the
13:16
authenticity
13:16
of the video. And I think that's
13:19
a good question. The journal wasn't able to independently verify
13:21
the authenticity of the video. What
13:24
did you think when you saw this video? Oh,
13:27
I was shocked, because this is a guy
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I'd interviewed a month and a half, maybe
13:32
two months before, and
13:35
I didn't know the circumstances that it led from,
13:37
you know, him being sitting in front of me in the back garden
13:40
of a village house in Ukraine,
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to him being what
13:45
would appear to be a cellar with his head taped
13:47
to a brick post.
13:49
And were you able to find out the answers to those questions?
13:52
What did happen to him? How did he end up back
13:54
in Russian hands? So
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it took me a while to put together the arms. but
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I got them in the end because I went
14:04
in January. I
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was in Bakhmut with the unit who
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had been holding him captive in that village
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house. And I was able to ask them what had
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happened. And they said that they'd
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eventually
14:18
handed him over to Ukrainian military
14:20
intelligence who were in charge of making
14:23
prisoner swaps and that they had swapped
14:25
him.
14:26
They told them Nuzhyn had been given back to the Russians
14:29
in exchange for 23 Ukrainian prisoners.
14:32
Ukrainian intelligence said Nuzhyn agreed
14:35
to be exchanged but declined to give
14:37
more detail. I asked them
14:39
at that point, how do you feel
14:42
about having made that swap? Because
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it must have been clear to them
14:47
that they were swapping someone who
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had said that he'd
14:52
wanted to fight for the Ukrainians. So he had
14:55
essentially said that he wanted to betray
14:57
Russia
14:58
on camera and that video was well known
15:00
at that point.
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And the officer who was in
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charge of this unit who'd been holding him captive and had
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given him over to military intelligence for the swap
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said, it's wrong from a human
15:10
standpoint but 23
15:12
Ukrainians returned to their families and that's a good
15:15
thing. So he saw it in a very clear
15:17
way.
15:19
Did Russia or the Wagner group
15:21
say anything about this video
15:25
and what appeared to be an execution? So
15:28
a Kremlin spokesman was asked about this
15:31
video on a conference call with reporters and he said,
15:33
it's not about business.
15:35
And Yevgeny
15:38
Prigorgian, the founder of Wagner
15:41
released several statements around this incident.
15:44
One of them said, the Russian
15:46
people, Russians genetically smell betrayal.
15:50
Nuzhyn betrayed his people, betrayed his comrades
15:52
and betrayed intentionally. The Russian people
15:54
and I spoke with
15:57
Anuzhyn's son Nikita. His
16:00
son blamed the Ukrainians. He said
16:02
he was their prisoner. And so they're responsible
16:04
for him. They handed him over and they
16:06
knew this would happen. So he blamed them. But
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at the same time, the family
16:11
have not been given his father's body back.
16:16
James says that of the tens of thousands
16:18
of prisoners who've agreed to fight, it's unclear
16:21
how many have survived long enough to actually
16:23
secure their freedom.
16:25
The US government estimates that since December,
16:27
more than 20,000 Russian fighters have been
16:29
killed nearly half of
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whom were Wagner soldiers.
16:33
The US says many of those killed were convicts.
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What does this story say about the
16:42
state of the war in Ukraine? In
16:45
Russia, the main tool for getting
16:47
man onto the battlefield is a combination
16:49
of despair, hopelessness, coercion.
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These are the main things that appear to be motivating
16:55
Russians to join the Russian army. Either
16:57
those who are being mobilized, those
17:00
who are joining because they don't have any
17:02
decent prospects, including
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those who are in jail and don't see
17:08
a better way out than going to try their luck
17:10
on the front lines.
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That's all for today, Monday, May 1st. The
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journal is a co-production of Gimlet and
17:34
The Wall Street Journal. The theme
17:36
music in today's episode is remixed by Peter
17:38
Leonard.
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Thanks for listening, see you tomorrow.
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