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A
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couple weeks ago, a girl named Havigne
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Killecch was getting ready for a volleyball tournament.
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Our
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colleague, Rune Rasmussen, says, she
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was a rising star. Aving
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killage is this twelve year old
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girl who comes from a family of
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volleyball fanatics. Her father
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was a former volleyball player and now I'll referee
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her uncle the same.
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In videos of Aveen playing, You
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can see her long ponytail swinging in
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her waist, and she races for the ball.
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She's wearing Jersey number two, and
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she's fast. Havin
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is from Cyprus, a small island
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nation in Mediterranean. And
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in early February, she and her teammates
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traveled from their hometown to a tournament
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in Turkey.
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The team arrived just before two
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massive earthquakes would strike the region.
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There's about fifty five players,
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all in all, aged between twelve
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and fourteen, schoolgirls and
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schoolboys, who came and stayed
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in this city in southeastern
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Turkey called Adia Mann. The
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team's head coach booked their stay at the Issia's
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hotel. Which describes itself
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as Adi Mans home away from home.
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The day before they arrived, Hovine and
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her teammates learned they'd have to be split up.
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Diousia's hotel couldn't accommodate the
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whole
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team. So some of the kids
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stayed at another hotel about two blocks
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away. Seems
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like a pretty sort of insignificant decision
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to just change
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hotels. But as it would turn
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out, it was a decision that would have
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extremely dramatic consequences for
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everyone involved.
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Welcome to The Journal. Our show about
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Money, Business and power. I'm
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Ryan Knudson. It's Tuesday,
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February twenty first.
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Coming up on the show, a youth
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volleyball team divided by a twist
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of fate, and how Turkey's building
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Killage learned lot about volleyball
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from her uncle, Sidoti Killage.
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Sidaused to play volleyball
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himself. There's clearly
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a bond between Hovine and her uncle
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through volleyball. Her family talks
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about her this young hope for
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volleyball, not just in the family, but for
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the island.
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So that couldn't go with his knees to the tournament in
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Turkey. He had to stay back home in Cyprus.
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And on February sixth, at
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three seventeen AM, something jolted
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him
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awake. He's got this lamp.
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On the table with candle in it and he notices
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that the flame in the candle dances in
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an unusual way, but he just assumes
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it's a small earthquake and cause back
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to sleep.
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His wife woke him up a few hours later,
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two major earthquakes had struck Turkey,
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where his niece and brother were for the volleyball tremend.
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Sidoti had felt the tremors in Cyprus
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about three hundred miles away. His
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wife told him that his brother was alive, but
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his niece, Hovine, was buried
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under the rubble. So
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Hovine's mother rushed to
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the airport. They managed
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to get a flight but it took a long time
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to get to Adiamon where the tournament was
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held. When they finally landed,
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they found an eerie scene It's
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nine thirty at night. It's dark. It's
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below freezing. And when they
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land at this airport, there's no one
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there. There's no one to check down their IDs or
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their passports. There's no
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taxis. There's no buses. There's not even
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street lights and the street lights outside because
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all the electricity has been knocked out.
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Eventually, Sidoti managed to get a ride
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from an ambulance, which took him to the Ixia's
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hotel, where Hovine and her father had
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been
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staying. The hotel
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was in ruins. Sidoti
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saw his brother, Rejip, wrapped in a
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blanket on the pavement looking desperate
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in there outside in the cold,
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they held each other. And
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they sit there, the two brothers, it's
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dark, and Sida
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told me that he thought to himself,
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there's no way that anyone
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can survive this, but him and his
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brother don't. Tell each other that,
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they just sit there and and wait until
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dawn. And when light
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breaks, then the search and rescue team
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starts working.
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Sidaab began to help dig for potential survivors,
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to help dig for his knees.
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Suna says it was a slow and
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grim process. He recorded
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some audio while he was
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there. People were
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still hoping to find relatives
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under the rubble. So was
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quiet. People hush
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each other so they can hear voices
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from from underground. Mhmm. So
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all you really hear when you walk through town is
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diggers and excavators that are
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sort of going through the rubble to
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try and find survivors. And apart
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from that, it's pretty quiet, eerily quiet.
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It takes them a couple of days before they
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find anyone. The
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first two bodies they pull out from the rubble
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are adults. One coach and an assistant.
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And the next parties are are
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two young brothers, both
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age between twelve and fourteen from the boys
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valuable team. And gradually,
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they recover the
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whole team and the
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adults, but none of them are alive. And
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what about Hazeen?
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The earthquake was in the early hours
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of Monday and on Friday morning, they
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find
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Heaven. She's body number twenty
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five. So that's it. He remembers.
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Everyone from the team who'd been pulled from the
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rubble of the Aesia's hotel was dead.
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Twenty five school children and ten adults.
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What happened to the players that
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ended up at that other hotel?
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Well, they all survived. You
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have these two very similar looking hotels,
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three hundred yards way. You could
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almost stand on the balcony at the
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park hotel and see the ECS hotel.
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And they park
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hotel has some cosmetic damage outside,
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but it did not collapse and no one died
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inside the park
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hotel. Why?
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I mean, if these two hotels were supposedly
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so similar, then why did one collapse another
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stay standing?
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But think the answers to that question is
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kind of the heart of the reckoning that Turkey
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is going through now. That
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I'm here at what used to be the ECS
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Hotel. In Adia Mann. And
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the only reason I could find it
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was because I looked it up on Google
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the building is completely gone
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or rather the front of the building is
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completely gone as Suneau
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walked among the ruins of the Ixia's hotel,
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where Hovine and many of her teammates were killed.
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They're among the more than forty five thousand
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people in the region who died following the earthquakes.
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The toll is still rising. After another
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pair of new earthquakes yesterday, everything
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is rubble and debris,
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as the paper flying around, as
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I end poking out in in
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the old directions. But otherwise, it's
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just really just amount
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of of rubble.
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Turkey sits along two major fault
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lines and has been through devastating earthquakes
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before. In nine nineteen ninety
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nine, more than seventeen thousand people
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were killed following a quake near Istanbul.
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Afterward, lawmakers pushed for stronger
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building requirements. But despite
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tougher laws, a lot of new construction
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still wasn't up to
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code. Rather
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than fix these buildings or tear them
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down, president Egypt Tayyip Erdogan
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gave builders so called amnesty. Is
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this amnesty that legalizes construction
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and buildings that have previously been found
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to be illegal or to be violating
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building
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codes. The policy let building
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code violators off the hook if they paid
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a fee. Other Turkish
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presidents have allowed construction amnesty before,
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but not like Erdogan. In
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twenty nineteen, he used Amnesty
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as a talking point on the campaign trail.
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Erdogan said that widespread construction amnesty
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would fuel a construction
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boom, create jobs, and
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provide much needed housing. Soon
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as his heir to one's government has offered amnesty
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multiple times in the twenty years he's been
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in power, both as president and
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prime minister. And he's
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mostly done it before
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elections. His critics say
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that it's a way of paying his loyalists,
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and they say there's a certain amount
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of of nepotism and corruption involved as
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well. Well, let let me get this straight.
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So so there's like a political program so
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that buildings that have been found to have
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code violations, like in other words buildings
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that are not necessarily safe to
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be in, those violations can
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just be washed away under this this
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amnesty program. They don't have to bring them up to code
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or fix them or change
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them. They just get a free pass.
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Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
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Soon as it says that a few years ago, when Erdogan
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was pushing for another round of amnesty, most
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members of parliament supported
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it. But
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there were also warnings. There was
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an MP from the the People's
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Democratic Party. And this MP
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went to parliament and said, if you use
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these construction MSTs in an earthquake
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zone, like Southeast and Turkey,
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you risk tens of thousands of people's lives.
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But since twenty eighteen, the government
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has granted seven million licenses
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under amnesty policies.
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So these construction MSDs
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have been widespread. They've been used
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over the – like across the country.
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And at the moment alone, around
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eleven thousand buildings have received
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this construction
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amnesty. Did
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the SCS hotel receive amnesty? I
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can't say of a certain that it's received construction
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amnesty allegedly. It did
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not live up to building codes. Online,
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you can see photos of
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the lobby of the hotel where
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the the columns look unusually thin
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which is a common practice. Supermarkets
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hotels will do this. They'll they'll sort
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of shave or, like, little thin to columns
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to make more space for groceries in
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the supermarket, for space in the
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lobby, or in the case of the CSO
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sale for parking spaces on
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the
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ground. Photos of the SCS
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hotels underground parking lot showed similar
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columns. You can see the bottom
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half of the column has been
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thinned. You can see it on photos that visible
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is almost shaped like an upside down
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bowling
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pin. What
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if architects and engineering experts that you
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spoke was said about the way that these
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pillars look and the way that this hotel looks.
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They said that this is an example of construction
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that is dangerous in an earthquake zone.
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The owner of the Akcea's hotel has not
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commented. Since
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the earthquake, there have been lots of reports
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of shot a construction around
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Turkey. This man points to the structural
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damage, buildings like his made of concrete,
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too brittle against the violent movements
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of an
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earthquake. There
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had been concerns that water was
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weakening the building. The weight
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of the floors suspended above a large
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empty shop space is a difficult design
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to survive an earthquake.
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So what are people saying now about air
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to one in this in this policy of construction
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amnesty, now that the earthquake has
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hit
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it, and we're seeing this this horrific
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toll A lot of Turks are saying
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that Erdogan has blood on his hands
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because of these policies
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that have led to just
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mass legalization of buildings
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that are not safe to live in. What
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does president Erdogan said about this?
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Erdogan said that ninety eight percent
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of the affected buildings in Southern Turkey
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were built before nineteen
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ninety
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nine. Implying that
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they have not been built and
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legalized during his tenure.
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The Turkish chamber of engineers and the
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anchor a chamber of architect x have disputed
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those numbers. Since
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the earthquakes this month, more than two
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hundred people are facing legal action,
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there has been a string of
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arrest. It's like a daily of contractors,
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of building managers, land
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owners, who are
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accused of violating building
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codes and and restrictions on on
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construction, but dozens people have been
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arrested since the earthquakes, including
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the owner of the Aesia's hotel. Last
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week, the chief public prosecutor of
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Adi Mans said the hotel's owner had been arrested
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and was subject to an investigation. Along
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with three hotel managers, none
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of them have commented. Is
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it is it really possible to hold anyone
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accountable for this policy?
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Because it was a legal policy
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and there were so many players up
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and down the chain of construction from builders
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to regulators who were involved
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in the decision to let these buildings get
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built and stay up without
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being up to code.
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Yeah. I think that's where we get into sort of interpretation
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of the law and and where it can get
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tricky because even though you get
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MST4, building is still responsible
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for for keeping it safe
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against
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earthquakes. In other words,
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Although Amnesty legalizes buildings that were
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previously not up to code, it doesn't
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absolve the owner of responsibility in
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the case of an earthquake. The
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people that are being arrested, do
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they also span up and down the
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decision tree or are they mostly people that are
15:30
responsible for building and designing
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the buildings? We
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haven't seen any higher
15:36
ups take the fall for this. It's
15:38
also important to point out here that all the
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responsibility doesn't lie with politicians
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over the president, legalizing a
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building in Turkey is a multilayered
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process, and it goes all the way from the government
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that choose these entities all the way down
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to the engineers who
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construct the buildings. Have
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experts provided any estimates about
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how much worse
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the death toll was in this earthquake
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as a result of these amnesty
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programs?
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No. I think that's so difficult to gauge,
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but I don't think there's anyone
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who doubts that that the shoddy
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construction practices in Turkey.
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Has a major role to play in this tragedy.
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That's what makes this this
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disaster even more heartbreaking is
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that it didn't have
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to be this bad. Yeah.
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Like, I can't remember a more
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stark example of a populist policy
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that has had such fatal
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consequences on the ground for people who
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are just trying to live their lives. In
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this case, twenty five school children
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from Cyprus. And a lot
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of people in Southern Turkey will say that there's
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a direct line for the policies being
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made in Ankara to
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the fate of people buried under rubble.
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Regardless of who is responsible for building
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AmSty's, it doesn't take away the
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pain of the survivors. Suna
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spoke with one of Havigne's coaches who
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made it out alive. And I
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asked him if he felt
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lucky that he had survived. And
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he said, of course, he didn't feel lucky.
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Every day since my survival has been
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has been really hard because I
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guess, there's there's some level of
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of survivors killed, but he also felt
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really guilty. It's what the
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parents of all those children who had died. He
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said, these parents entrust us with
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their children. And he just felt
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completely crushed that twenty
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five of them ended up dead.
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18:03
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