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Hello.

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This is episode three hundred

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and ninety six of the Keter Diet podcast.

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Welcome. My name is Lian Vogel.

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I blog over at helpful pursuit

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dot com, and I'm so

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excited to see you here. Today,

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we have our guests, doctor Christie Harvel,

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founder of Health By Design, doctor

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chiropractic nutrition response testing

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practitioner, and she loves

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to say weird works. Doctor

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Kirsty Harvel graduated in

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the Fitchy Omega Honor

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Society Kumare in December

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two thousand and three with certification in

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COX flexation distraction technique.

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She has studied pediatrics and pregnancy

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care with the International Chiropractic Pediatrics

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Association, clinical applied nutrition

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at NYCC, thermographic

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and surface EMG diagnostics with

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chiropractic leadership alliance. And in

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August two thousand and seven became certified

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in Brimhall. Six steps to wellness

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completed two hundred hours of applied

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kinesiology training from two thousand

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eleven to two thousand thirteen, you

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get the idea. She knows a lot of stuff

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and her specialty is adrenal

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fatigue and what the root cause

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is. She jokingly refers to herself

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as a stress expert because she's

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used her knowledge to help heal herself

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and uses that same practice

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with her clients. you can find

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doctor christie over at health by

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design f l dot

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program 9010

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life dial dot com and

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her Instagram is doctor Christie

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Doctor Christy h. Okay.

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Dr. Christie, thank you so much for coming

2:11

on the show.

2:12

Thanks for having me.

2:14

Yeah. Of course. So we did an

2:16

episode a while ago on your podcast

2:18

and I'm so glad that you could come on to mind

2:20

and have

2:21

a chat with us about adrenals.

2:23

Me too, it's so needed. Right?

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Yeah. So why don't you tell us a little

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bit

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about yourself. I already did your, like, official

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bio, but I'd love to know what lights

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you up and what you do. Okay.

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Cool. Well, you know, in we're

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in Jacksonville, Florida. I practiced

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in upstate New York for

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twelve and half years, and it's just super

2:42

fun because when you move

2:44

and start over, you get a chance to kind of

2:46

recreate yourself and find out, like, what

2:48

you love in practice, what

2:51

you absolutely couldn't practice this without,

2:53

you can kinda scrap the excess and

2:55

tune into what you super love. And so

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I found that, like, my niche is definitely,

2:59

like, adrenals because probably

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I am adrenal for life. We can

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talk about how I'm your stress expert, and you

3:05

can take that two different ways. But

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what we found as, like, people in Florida have

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the same health issues as people in a state,

3:12

New York, and there were some kind of, like, universal

3:14

truths. And so muscle testing

3:16

has been my number one thing to help

3:18

people, and now we're even learning how to do that

3:20

virtually in expanding our

3:22

knowledge base. And we just have a really

3:25

cool, like, wellness practice here

3:27

when we treat from infants all the way up to

3:29

the elderly and teach

3:31

people that alternative and

3:33

natural medicine can be your first stop

3:36

instead of your last resort.

3:38

And that's what lights me up when the lights going

3:40

for people and they realize that and they

3:42

keep that to their families.

3:43

The first stop versus last that's

3:47

a huge, huge mindset shift.

3:49

you know, that that functional.

3:51

Like, let's get at things while

3:53

they're still functionally having issues

3:55

as opposed to a hot trash bag.

3:57

Yeah. I wouldn't that be easier. Yes.

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Yes. It would. I always I

4:02

always when I get a new client and they're

4:04

just having some issues and they're like, I'm

4:06

not really sure. Like, Maybe it's

4:08

not a big deal, but I'm dealing with this.

4:10

I'm like, thank you for doing this work now.

4:12

Your body thanks you. You know,

4:14

we're gonna be at this couple of months as

4:16

opposed to a couple of years? Just trying to

4:18

tidy things up and shift things

4:21

around. Do you see that in your practice also?

4:22

I do. I love it when we get, like,

4:25

somebody who already is kinda knowledgeable and

4:27

has been on this journey. And

4:29

we don't have the necessary start in

4:31

with their mindset and convincing them

4:33

that this is the way to go. I'm always

4:35

like, oh, you're such a gift. I'm like, do you know you

4:37

guys don't have to wait until your totally

4:39

broken to come and see me. Right?

4:43

Exactly.

4:43

Exactly. It's

4:45

so much easier to just touch things

4:48

up. It's sort of like if you leave a lawn

4:50

just uncared for for years and

4:52

years and years and there's dead cars in

4:54

it and just like It's a

4:56

total nightmare, you know, to clean that up

4:58

takes months. But if you just forget, you

5:00

know, to forget to mow your lawn one

5:02

weekend and then you go back to it the next

5:04

week, not gonna be a huge deal.

5:06

So I like to think of it kind of in that

5:08

way of the longer you

5:10

wait, the longer it's gonna take to figure

5:12

what's what's going on. That's

5:14

a great analogy. I love that.

5:16

And so you mentioned muscle testing.

5:18

Can you tell us what that is for people

5:21

that might not know what you mean by that?

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Yeah. I'd love to. So,

5:24

I mean, just kinda like it sounds a muscle

5:27

test. We typically use the arm, you know,

5:29

like a patient can pull their arm straight out and

5:31

we'll apply pressure downward, and

5:33

they can push up into our hand and match

5:35

our pressure. And the arm should stay pretty

5:37

steady. It's kinda like arm wrestling, but in

5:39

the air. and it's

5:42

really just a non invasive way to

5:44

find out what's going on below

5:46

the surface. And the way

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I explain it to patients because, like, a lot

5:50

of times, people come in and they've got some background.

5:52

Right? They know somebody who referred them and so

5:54

there's, like, the trust fact But when people

5:56

come in and they don't know anything about

5:58

it or have any background or

5:59

experience, it can seem a little

6:02

weird. And I just really simply say,

6:04

like, you know, my job isn't to do

6:06

what everybody else does. You

6:08

probably, by the time they come to you

6:10

or me, they probably have already been to a lot

6:12

of other people. and come

6:14

back empty handed and not gotten a lot of

6:16

answers and kinda are

6:18

down on luck and down on hope. And so

6:20

you gotta kinda remember that, like, what

6:22

you and I do came about to

6:24

kind of bridge the gap where

6:26

medicine leaves off because you

6:28

can have a person in front of you

6:31

who knows that they're not well.

6:33

Right? Like, they knew what it was like to experience

6:35

health and wellness in their body and have

6:37

vitality and feel great and do

6:39

all the things and tap a life, they're

6:42

coming in for a reason. There's something that motivated

6:44

them to come and seek guidance and

6:46

help. And so often

6:49

they've had all the traditional tests

6:51

and everything was normal.

6:53

Right? Nothing came back negative, no

6:55

red flags. But you have a

6:57

person in front of you who knew

6:59

what health was. They remember what it

7:01

was like to experience that,

7:03

and they could tell you right now

7:05

that it's not what they're experiencing. That's

7:07

not the body they're living in. That's not their

7:09

reality. And so you can't tell them

7:11

that there's normal. Like, clearly, if there's

7:13

something some breakdown in the system.

7:16

And so this muscle testing is a non

7:18

invasive way to find out

7:20

what's going on before

7:22

it will show up on

7:25

a traditional blood work diagnostic

7:27

imaging, etcetera. And

7:29

so

7:30

That's the best way that I can come up to

7:32

explain it really. Mhmm. I love

7:34

that. And and how have you seen

7:37

because we've we wanted to kind of talk about

7:39

adrenals and

7:41

fight or flight and all that today. How

7:43

does that relate, like, with the muscle testing

7:45

and the stuff that you do in your practice.

7:48

Do you see that being beneficial to understanding

7:50

what's happening with the adrenals? Yeah,

7:53

I do. And I think a lot of times when

7:55

we started explaining the patients

7:57

what's going on in their body and

7:59

we see a

7:59

breakdown in the adrenals or a fight or

8:02

flight type of a response. you

8:04

just simply cannot be healing. And,

8:06

hotelia, it doesn't really matter

8:08

in our practice, whether it was in

8:10

New York or in Jacksonville, Florida,

8:12

it really doesn't matter what people come

8:15

in with, if the headaches, or

8:17

they know they have a, you know, named

8:19

condition. It could be respiratory

8:22

issues, digestive, chronic

8:24

pain, anything.

8:26

Usually, ninety percent of the

8:28

time we have to fix adrenals

8:31

for that fight or flight or cortisol at

8:33

some point. And so that's

8:35

why, you know, adrenals, I feel

8:37

like people don't know about it. They

8:39

don't know that that's the issue.

8:41

I think it's one of the most neglected

8:43

systems in traditional medicine.

8:45

There's no awesome blood

8:47

test. they don't really address adrenals

8:49

unless you literally, like, have a tumor or

8:51

something called Cushing's disease, which

8:53

is not that common. But

8:55

meanwhile, the medical world teaches us

8:57

that ninety percent of all diseases are

8:59

related to stress. So in

9:01

our practice, and I'm sure you're the same, like, like,

9:03

maybe we should pay attention to that statistic.

9:05

Maybe we should be the experts

9:07

on stress and what stresses

9:09

and how that impacts our hormones

9:11

this thumbs in this whole breakdown in the body. And

9:13

so muscle testing really does allow

9:15

us to see that and fix

9:18

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And when you're talking

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about stress, a lot of people, I I

11:33

know in my practice, I have a

11:35

lot of state at home moms

11:37

or retired women

11:39

that on a daily basis

11:41

they're managing their children if their stay at

11:43

home moms or maybe their kids or even in

11:45

high school and, you know, they're

11:47

volunteering and that sort of stuff. And

11:49

they usually say, like, I got a good

11:51

handle. I'm not really experiencing

11:53

stress, you know? Maybe like a

11:55

four out of ten, it's not really a

11:57

lot.

11:57

So do you

11:59

think it's always style

12:02

stress? Or do you think there are other contributors

12:05

to stress? Either does the person

12:07

maybe just not know that they're stressed

12:09

or can pathogens cause stress?

12:11

Or like, when you say stress, is

12:13

it just simply lifestyle stress?

12:15

Yeah.

12:15

That's a dick and a point.

12:18

Stress is like all multifactor

12:20

through. You know? Like, it's really cool

12:22

that you say this because we actually had

12:24

to invest in a technology in our

12:26

practice for the people that we can see,

12:28

like, called rate variability. And we

12:30

got it simply because what we found

12:32

when we just would interview

12:34

people about their stress levels is

12:36

that everybody grossly underestimated

12:39

how stressed out they were. And I

12:41

have a couple of theories we could toss

12:43

around about why that might be. I don't know if

12:45

it's just because they're comparing

12:47

themselves to the next stressed out person or

12:49

they have that, like, I don't have it as bad as Zone,

12:51

so kind of a mentality. Or

12:53

if, like, you said, everybody thinks the

12:55

word stress just means, like, I'm holding

12:57

it together. I think I handle

12:59

it while things roll off my back. I

13:01

can multitask, like, a fool. I'm

13:03

getting it all done. I'm okay.

13:05

or also because they might be medicating

13:08

with b vitamins or

13:10

caffeine or some kind of carby,

13:12

you know, food substitute to

13:14

help them keep going and fight through

13:16

it. But people really don't know

13:18

how stressed out they are. And so we

13:20

have a technology that literally

13:22

ages their stress and tells them how

13:24

stress they are. And when we sit

13:26

down and discuss the results of that test,

13:29

we talk about that. Like, stress isn't

13:31

just always like emotional stress. you

13:33

know, if you feel stressed or

13:35

wear your anxious, just can even

13:37

be excitement. It could be overworking.

13:40

It could be over training, like physically.

13:43

It could just be not really honoring the

13:45

body and listening to subtle signs

13:47

and symptoms and taking the time to

13:49

honor, like, resting very. I

13:51

think we're terrible at booking

13:53

self love time, you know, and self

13:55

reflection and downtime. I know I

13:57

was until I became what I call

13:59

the stress effects

13:59

spur. But you guys

14:00

probably have all experienced that, like, having you

14:03

taken a vacation at the time of your life.

14:05

Was it stressful so

14:07

to speak? But then when you come back, you almost

14:09

need a vacation from your vacation. So

14:11

it's just can it be all

14:13

that, a sweet diet. toxins

14:15

in your environment, EMF.

14:18

It could be yeast and bacteria.

14:20

It could be a virus and parasites.

14:22

It could be literally anything.

14:24

that is interfering with your body's natural

14:27

ability to heal and do what means.

14:29

Completely, that's such a great summary

14:31

to just really bring it home.

14:33

with

14:33

the you mentioned HRV.

14:36

Can you tell us what that is for people that

14:38

might not know what that is? Yeah.

14:39

I didn't

14:40

know if I said it. out loud or what

14:42

it was? Or maybe I just want it. I mean,

14:45

it was, like, she's talking about HRV.

14:47

Maybe. I'm not sure. Not yet. Oh,

14:49

got it. Okay. I didn't know if I said

14:51

those letters and that didn't say what it

14:53

was. Yeah. Sure.

14:56

HRV is heart rate variability. And

14:58

it it has become the gold standard

15:01

for measuring stress response

15:03

in the body. And it does it really

15:05

simply by seeing how well

15:07

your autonomic nervous system

15:09

can quickly go

15:11

between a fight or flight

15:13

or wake full state of your

15:15

nervous system and then how well it

15:17

will recover and adapt and come

15:19

back down in the respiratory state.

15:21

And so it's really a comparison of your

15:24

sympathetic, which people know as

15:26

your fight or flight, and we

15:28

also add on phrase, because some people

15:30

do that, compared to your rest

15:32

digest and repair. And so

15:34

what that means is that if your body's in

15:36

fight or flight or perceives

15:38

your outside environment as

15:40

a lot more threatening than it really

15:42

is, your body is always

15:44

like hyper responsive and hyper

15:46

reactive. And while you're in that hyper

15:48

responsive state, you can be

15:50

more sensitive you could have abnormal

15:52

food reactions. You know, you

15:54

could have anxiety

15:56

or heart palpitations or

15:59

irritability.

15:59

related to stress. But

16:02

when

16:02

you're in that state also, you're not

16:04

recovering, you're not healing, you're

16:06

not properly digesting, and

16:09

utilizing nutrients and

16:11

doing all the things that your body's supposed to

16:13

do to take care of you and heal

16:15

and detox.

16:17

Completely. And I

16:19

is it the aura ring that does heart

16:21

rate variability? I'm not very good at remembering

16:24

all the products and all the things. But you're

16:26

that's the that's the same thing that you're

16:28

speaking of. Right? If people have or rings,

16:30

that's the same. Yeah. You're right. it does

16:32

do it. And I'm a big ordering fan.

16:34

I really do love it. That's cool.

16:36

And I guess the lower the

16:39

score because ideally, I think it's to be

16:41

over one hundred and the

16:43

lower it is, this is like by memory a

16:45

couple years. The lower it is the

16:47

worst off you are sort of thing.

16:49

Exactly. You know, ordering their

16:51

scores a little different. And even

16:53

compared to the software that we use in the

16:55

office, But it's one of those counter

16:57

intuitive things. Like, you actually want

16:59

your your variability between

17:01

heart rates to be big.

17:03

Like, you want to see changes.

17:06

If you if it's flat lined, like,

17:08

your heart rate is just the same consistent.

17:10

And I don't mean this is different than

17:12

your pulse. you know, that's totally

17:14

different. But if the intensity of every

17:16

heartbeat is just solid

17:18

same, it indicates that your

17:20

body can't mount a proper stressor

17:22

on. So let's remember there is a

17:24

proper time to have fight or flight.

17:26

It's there to save your life, you know,

17:28

for example, to avoid an accident,

17:30

to stomp on the brakes. If you hear

17:32

a loud noise to assess, like, is that

17:34

really threatening? Is there someone in my home? Do I

17:36

need to defend myself or run

17:39

away? Or is it just, you know,

17:41

the heat or AC turning on

17:43

kind of a thing? So there's a proper

17:45

time when that should happen, but once

17:47

you look around assessing and decide nothing's happening.

17:49

It was just the dog or something fell

17:51

off the shelf. That's all the noise

17:54

was. Your nervous system should quickly

17:56

adapt recover and your heart rate

17:58

should return to

17:59

normal. It should stay elevated. And then the whole

18:02

rest is on that you're jumping and

18:04

looking around paranoid and worried about every little sound

18:06

in your home. So that would be an

18:08

example of, you know, if it's

18:10

variable, it can jump appropriately

18:13

recover and assess the scene and decide

18:15

you're okay and go back to healing and

18:17

digesting food and detoxing and doing all the

18:19

amazing things it does behind the

18:21

scenes. That's

18:22

great. And you've mentioned

18:24

EMF. Can you explain what that

18:26

is? Because some I'm guessing some

18:28

ladies are like, EMF, I I

18:30

gotta Google that what does that she said, and how does that have to

18:32

do with my stress? Sorry for dropping all the

18:35

acronyms to anybody. I love

18:37

it. That's it's It's why we're

18:39

here, education. I mean, we hear these words ongoing

18:41

all the time, and I think it's

18:43

really, really helpful to just

18:45

pick it apart and really help to

18:48

understand

18:48

so that we're more empowered

18:50

and educated as it relates to our

18:52

health. So I think Right? I agree with you completely. Yeah. Some

18:54

things you become, like, buzzwords, and people never

18:56

stop to think, like, what does that even make them -- Yeah.

18:58

-- even compete and -- Yeah. -- use it on

19:01

regular. Yeah. Yeah.

19:03

So NMS are the harmful

19:05

frequencies that are in our

19:07

environment. The most common that people will

19:09

understand is, like, you know, we know we shouldn't be

19:11

on screens all the time. Your

19:13

cell phone can EMF

19:15

You every device that is plugged

19:17

into an outlet has EMF

19:20

It's a form of electricity or

19:22

radiation, but it can

19:24

be in the way we're talking about it

19:26

can be harmful or there can be

19:28

positive EMF. which

19:30

is healing. Like, we have APEMF

19:32

healing mat in our office. It really just depends

19:34

on what the frequency of that

19:37

energy is. we're

19:37

talking about mainly, like, harmful

19:40

radiation, cell phones, power lines,

19:42

screens GPS, all those types

19:44

of fields that were constantly surrounded by on

19:46

a daily basis that interfere

19:48

with our various natural electromagnetic

19:51

connectivity. Yes, completely. I was

19:53

reading. I'm sure you've heard of this too

19:55

because a lot of people talk about it.

19:57

That mold in a natural

19:59

environment where there is no

20:01

EMF It also grows,

20:03

but when it's surrounded by EMF

20:05

it grows six hundred times

20:08

more.

20:08

I mean,

20:09

that's just incredible. And

20:11

we think about, you know, we did a little

20:14

EMF check on our home of just like

20:16

how many devices have

20:18

Bluetooth and, you know, your fridge

20:20

now you can control from your phone

20:22

and the temperature and the TV and

20:24

just all this stuff and all

20:26

that EMS has been quite an

20:28

enlightening experience to kinda go

20:30

down that rabbit hole and be conscious

20:32

more of, you know, when you're on your

20:34

laptop, unplug it. and you won't have as much

20:36

EMF when you're on your phone. Make sure

20:38

it's not charging. Like, all those little things that

20:40

you can do, make such

20:42

a big a big difference for those

20:44

that that need it. Would you

20:45

agree? I

20:46

totally agree. And where you sleep at

20:49

night, a lot of times, like, because I also am a

20:51

chiropractor. And so a lot of times people were like, well,

20:53

how did I get this way? And what happened? And how

20:55

do I undo it? And I just simply

20:57

say, like, Well, think about where you spend

20:59

the majority of your time, like number

21:01

the cumulative number of hours. And that if

21:03

you could make changes in those

21:06

areas, you'll that'll have the

21:08

cumulative, like, most impact. And so, you know,

21:10

hopefully, you're sleeping seven to nine

21:12

hours a night. So what's your sleep

21:14

environment like? you know, get the router

21:16

out of your bedroom. Turn the

21:18

Bluetooth off your phone. Don't have your

21:20

phone by your bedside. You know,

21:22

don't have screens. You know, buzz

21:24

yourself to those blue light type

21:26

things before you're sleeping.

21:28

You definitely don't have them on in your

21:30

room. Get the TV out of the

21:32

bedroom. Like, Apple TV. All

21:34

those little things don't need to be in your

21:36

sleep environment. You can make the biggest

21:38

impact there. The other area where a lot

21:40

of people spend the majority of their time is

21:42

at work. So how can you clean up

21:44

your work environment? Maybe you

21:46

can't get off screens all day long, but

21:48

you can limit, like, you don't have to

21:50

have your phone, your tablet, your cell phone, you

21:52

know, your Apple Watch, and,

21:54

like, I don't even know what else could you

21:56

possibly put in front of you. think you

21:58

can even have, like, coffee mugs that have

22:00

Bluetooth now. I don't even like, it's

22:02

so unnecessary. Like, I bought a

22:04

massage gun for Christmas last year

22:06

and it was one of our favorite gifts. that we

22:08

got for our household. And

22:10

it was funny that I actually

22:12

our order got messed up, so I had to go into

22:14

the store to return the device. And

22:17

so the manager was very kind and he was, like, unfortunately,

22:19

the one you ordered isn't here,

22:21

but there's a new model. If I

22:23

operate the new model for, like, I don't

22:26

know, fifty dollars more than the last one, would

22:28

you be willing to purchase that one? And I

22:30

was like, well, tell me a little bit about what's the

22:32

difference, you know? And he's like, well, this

22:34

one connects me. night.

22:36

Like, night. And I was like,

22:39

why would my massage or

22:41

need to be connected to Bluetooth? I'm

22:43

like, is it gonna, like, tell me where I where to point

22:45

the thing. And the guy just kinda was, like,

22:47

would that be, like, blank face, like, lady? I

22:49

don't know. It's Christmas. I would've buy the

22:51

thing or not. You know?

22:54

I was just like, why is it even necessary?

22:57

But you might not even know the things

22:59

that you have on and in your

23:01

environment on the regular are connecting

23:03

to device. Yes. Completely.

23:05

Even my red light, I was so

23:07

bummed when they switched the

23:09

red light component to, like,

23:12

connect to other red lights and

23:14

through your phone. And I'm like, it's

23:16

just I literally need to

23:18

press power on, power off. Like,

23:20

why do I need my phone to do this? it

23:22

is ridiculous. You shouldn't even be on

23:24

your phone when you're sitting in the red

23:26

light. Like, what? Like this, I

23:28

know. It's all true. So you just

23:30

kinda have to think because unfortunately,

23:32

companies think those are perks and

23:34

benefits, and it's become

23:36

normalized, but, like, it's not necessary. And you can

23:38

turn it off, which is a good point. Yes.

23:40

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And so when

25:52

you're speaking about adrenals, is

25:55

it also

25:55

related to mitochondria? Because

25:58

basically everything we've talked

26:00

about so far also

26:02

affects the mitochondria. So do you

26:04

are you of the thought

26:06

that mitochondrial dysfunction

26:08

equals adrenal disc function. Like, yeah.

26:10

Do you tie those two together? Definitely.

26:13

And it's funny because I'm

26:15

in the

26:16

process of setting up a virtual practice

26:19

and you know that online, what I'm quickly finding is, like,

26:21

in the online space, it's very

26:23

different than, like, my brick and mortar

26:25

practice where in my little local town, I

26:27

have name and brand records ignition.

26:29

And so, you know, you're supposed to kind

26:31

of pick a a niche that sets you

26:33

apart. And I'll tell you a little trick.

26:35

The reason I pick adrenal fatigue

26:38

is because I didn't

26:40

actually have the niche down because it

26:42

connects to everything. Like

26:46

I still get to treat all the

26:48

things, you know, and be more of a

26:50

primary care type of a person and not

26:52

just have one single

26:54

focused. So, absolutely, it

26:57

ties into mitochondrial function.

27:00

Yeah. Completely. I think that's You know,

27:02

it was like when I was specializing in

27:04

hormones. Mhmm. But we

27:06

talked a lot about ketogenic diet.

27:09

And what? And so, yeah, that that niche we call

27:11

it niche up north and

27:13

niche down south -- Yeah. -- whenever

27:15

however you say it -- Yeah. -- it

27:17

really does. It ties into so many things.

27:19

So what about diet?

27:21

And how does that

27:23

influence? Can it stress? You

27:25

mentioned, like, working out can stress out

27:27

the adrenals if you're not

27:29

recovering. Can a certain type of diet

27:31

either benefit or cause

27:33

issues with adrenals?

27:34

Yeah. So, I mean, there's

27:36

lots of different things. And even with adrenals,

27:39

like, everybody's unique and individualized.

27:41

So, like, when you get assessed,

27:43

you could be at different layers or levels of

27:45

adrenal fatigue. And so, you know, the assessment

27:47

and recommendations might be different.

27:51

per what level as well as, like, who you

27:53

are and what you're dealing with and

27:55

what stage of life you're at and your

27:57

activity levels and all that. But I think,

27:59

like, in common, the

28:00

things is probably any condition,

28:03

honestly. But just think, like, you're

28:05

trying to create healing in the body

28:07

and you're trying to get the body

28:09

to stop being an adrenaline junkie. And

28:11

so even though you could be

28:13

wired and tired or just

28:16

totally fatigue, you the ten a day think

28:18

is a lot to, like, use mega

28:20

b vitamins, you know, energy

28:23

drinks, caffeine, any kind of

28:25

stimulant, like that just

28:27

to keep on the adrenaline junkie hook

28:29

because if you're going on adrenaline, it

28:31

means your body doesn't isn't

28:33

able to produce the normal

28:36

energy productivity. Like, you're not thriving

28:38

on your body's natural energy systems.

28:40

And so this is a bypass. Your body

28:42

is running on adrenaline cortisol would

28:44

give me that high to keep going. And

28:46

so when you're on stimulants, which

28:49

could even be processed foods and

28:51

neurotoxins, Caffeine

28:53

for sure, that's just

28:55

keeping the body in the state of fight

28:57

or flight. And so even

28:59

though you're exhausted it, you really have to break that cycle

29:01

and stop thriving on the

29:04

stimulants. That's the one thing that I don't think

29:06

it matters to me. who

29:08

you are, what phase of adrenal fatigue. We

29:11

have to break the cycle of

29:13

constantly seeking an adrenaline high

29:15

through our diet. Mhmm. Completely.

29:18

And so you've mentioned fight,

29:20

flight freeze. Mhmm. What

29:22

are the sort of symptoms

29:24

that somebody can say, like, I'm going

29:26

through this. I think this relates to

29:29

me. Can you shed some more light

29:31

on that? Yeah.

29:32

I mean, the things I think that people would

29:34

identify if it is, you know,

29:36

anxiety, like, feelings of anxiousness, which

29:38

is usually think of it, like, heart rate,

29:41

is elevated, sweaty palms,

29:44

butterflies in your stomach, or maybe queasy

29:46

or loss of appetite. getting

29:48

a lot of tension, you know, in your body. If

29:50

you're just always hurting and have the skill of

29:52

skeletal soreness, it's probably because you're holding yourself,

29:54

like, super tight, shallow breathing,

29:58

inability

29:58

to sleep. Your energy

30:00

could be flip flops and people have a slow

30:02

start and then get a second wind late

30:05

at night. you also could have energy

30:07

highs and lows or blood sugar highs

30:09

and lows. And so, you know,

30:11

if you're, like, starving

30:13

and then you eat a lot of, like, super carby foods

30:16

and then you crash. The

30:18

typical window of people that have

30:20

that the afternoon crash is between

30:22

one and three. if you

30:24

an between one and three, that's a pretty

30:27

good cheap flag.

30:29

You also could be

30:32

tired all the time. You know, if it

30:34

gets to the level four

30:36

stage adrenal fatigue, these people

30:38

are close to blacking out.

30:40

They're dizzy. brain fog is a

30:42

big one even in all phases of it,

30:44

but it gets intensifyingly worse.

30:47

Forgetfulness. if you're super

30:49

agitated with your family, little things that

30:51

didn't used to bother you, suddenly

30:53

trigger you. And also, like, if we

30:55

just go recovers. So, like, if somebody

30:57

cuts you off on track, click on your way to

30:59

work and then that ruins your whole

31:01

entire day, you didn't bounce back

31:03

or adapt. completely. I was

31:05

definitely in stage four living in

31:07

mold thinking it

31:08

was just my adrenals and constantly,

31:10

you know, going in for all of the shots and things

31:13

that my doctor was like, we gotta get these

31:15

adrenals working. And it wasn't until we

31:17

moved out of the mold that I was

31:19

like, wait. feel so much better, you

31:21

know. So, yeah, your

31:23

environment, like we've talked about the EMF

31:25

and the things, it really

31:26

It's multifaceted.

31:27

It is.

31:29

And that's the thing, like, I I know

31:31

a drain of fatigue. I would almost

31:33

didn't pick that as my niche, like were just talk discussing

31:36

earlier because I don't know that

31:38

people more people know what

31:40

adrenal fatigue is. people

31:42

in our industry are bashing the phrase

31:44

adrenal fatigue. But I think it's

31:46

important because, you know, the

31:48

people who are experiencing it aren't

31:51

on the same trajectory as the

31:53

practitioners that are treating it. And

31:55

so I wanted to keep the

31:57

phrase alive but

31:59

also be somebody who

31:59

gets to the root cause and explains the

32:02

people how

32:02

they got at that point of the

32:04

spiderflight adrenals dysfunctioning.

32:06

And now we're knowing

32:08

that the adrenal issue is

32:10

really the reaction or the

32:13

symptom to all these years of,

32:15

like, stressors and interferences and poor

32:17

diet. You can't just jump in and

32:19

start taking like adaptogenic curves,

32:21

which still are great.

32:24

But what I find is people who try to

32:26

DIY their health and maybe take the

32:28

cheaper way out and don't wanna pay for

32:30

guidance or profession to help them and

32:32

get in all these adrenal fatigue support

32:35

groups and all that. They're all

32:37

looking for, like, the quick fix

32:39

And you just have to get out of that mental mind space that

32:41

there is a quick fix because it took

32:43

years sometimes decades to

32:45

get to that way in

32:47

the first place and you got a back check and

32:50

peel the layers back and peel all those

32:52

different things before your body

32:54

will get inbalance and right

32:56

itself. So we're not necessarily just

32:58

trying to handle the symptom

33:00

that is now a drain of fatigue.

33:02

Mhmm. Completely

33:03

I

33:06

really

33:09

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33:11

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33:23

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33:26

And

33:26

the symptoms that you

33:28

earlier, you also mentioned a little while ago

33:30

that there aren't really good labs as

33:32

it relates to adrenal. So if

33:34

somebody listening to this episode today,

33:37

it's like I think I have this, but do I talk to my

33:39

doctor? Do I go in for blood

33:41

work? Do I do saliva testing?

33:43

Or do I just go simply off?

33:45

gaps out this you you basically described

33:47

me. You know? I mean, you can't get

33:49

a code just by, like, you basically described me,

33:51

but then you have to find somebody that

33:54

can pull apart the layers and step

33:56

through and prioritize and decide

33:59

what, you know, what maybe, like,

34:01

order to handle things too.

34:04

there's a lot like, adrenal fatigue, like,

34:07

symptoms symptom type questionnaires that you could

34:09

take online. And sometimes I do just send our

34:11

patients to them just to take

34:13

it. so they can identify with something and recognize,

34:16

like, there actually are people that understand

34:18

this. This is a real thing. I'm not on my

34:20

own, you know. because

34:22

sometimes you need that. confirmation

34:24

that somebody hears you

34:26

completely. And so we've

34:27

talked about heart rate

34:30

variability and stress and

34:32

all these things and we've talked

34:34

about how to reduce EMF and

34:36

stimulants and how that can support

34:38

other other ways like if somebody saying, okay, pretty

34:41

sure this is a

34:41

thing for me. I always thought that

34:44

it was my lifestyle. It sounds like there's

34:46

more to this

34:48

than just living a stress free life?

34:50

And where can they go from

34:52

here? Are there things

34:54

that you've created to kind

34:56

of help bridge that gap, and and what does that look like? I

34:58

mean, we created the ninety ten lifestyle,

35:00

and we were adamant about just not

35:02

calling it a diet or a nutrition

35:06

program or whatnot because we really feel like health is

35:09

multifaceted and it does take an

35:11

understanding of lifestyle and having

35:13

the proper tools And

35:15

I also want somebody to upload you accountable and

35:18

handhold and explain things and make

35:20

it in an orderly fashion.

35:22

So we

35:24

created that you know, with the adrenal fatigue people in mind also

35:26

because we recognize that, like, there's a lot

35:28

of really educated people out there that

35:30

know, like, a lot of our patients even tell

35:32

us that I know what I should be

35:34

doing. I'm just not doing it. And I'm like,

35:36

I got it. And we talk about,

35:38

like, stacking some small winds along the

35:40

legs. We're like, Well, don't you think,

35:42

like, maybe you would do some of those things if

35:44

you'd felt better first or you started

35:46

sleeping through the night a little

35:48

more successfully? or, like, maybe you had a better, like, start in the

35:50

morning and you weren't so groggy. Or if

35:52

we could lift up a little bit of the brain

35:54

five and then

35:56

you could start meal planning and, you know, deciding your menu

35:58

and shopping for your family.

36:00

So, you know, don't be too hard on yourself

36:02

and give yourself a little bit of

36:04

grace like you're at

36:06

you are where you're at, and that's reality,

36:08

but you need tools and you need

36:10

a system. As soon as you just need

36:12

like, hand yourself over to somebody. And I think that's hard for people to do

36:15

to kinda let the reins out and be like, I

36:17

trust you. You're my person. I'm

36:19

gonna do this. and also

36:21

give it the proper amount of time and due

36:24

diligence to get a result. We don't

36:26

dabble in this and dabble in that

36:28

and take up a little bit of this and a

36:30

little bit of that leak. probably whoever

36:32

you follow, you really need to follow

36:34

it through in completion.

36:37

You know? Mhmm. Yeah. The dabbling. I was

36:39

a dabbler. Yeah. I'm a

36:42

dabbler. It doesn't

36:44

accomplish

36:44

much.

36:46

Yeah.

36:46

And there's so many great people, you know, whether it's me or

36:48

Julian or one of our, you know, fellow

36:51

colleagues out there. But that is a really good

36:53

point. You know, you do just whoever

36:56

person's gonna be that

36:58

you resonate with, that's gonna

37:00

hand hold, that you're gonna hand this

37:02

over to. He had it over to them

37:04

fully because

37:05

you can't

37:06

do it all by yourself.

37:08

But if you don't do it in completion

37:10

or you're mixing things up, whoever

37:14

program it it is, you're only gonna get a portion of the six

37:16

sets. Yes, completely,

37:17

completely. Where can people

37:19

find more from you and

37:21

connect with you? Yeah.

37:22

We're on all the social media. Doctor Christy

37:25

h on Instagram. Our

37:28

in

37:29

office Jacksonville

37:30

local practice is called Health By Design. We have a page

37:33

for that as well. You can go on

37:35

the ninety ten lifestyle dot com

37:37

to learn more

37:38

about the program that we have laid

37:40

out. We're kinda everywhere.

37:42

Yeah. I love that. I will include

37:44

links in the show notes

37:46

for today's episode, and so just click around and find those.

37:49

And if not, you guys can go to

37:51

keto diet podcast dot com and

37:53

click around for episode three

37:56

hundred and ninety six. And, doctor Christie,

37:58

thank you so much

37:59

for coming on the show today.

38:02

Thank you for having

38:03

me. This was us them.

38:05

I just I'm a big fan of yours. I've

38:07

been reading your stuff for years, and I'm

38:09

super excited that we got to connect and start to

38:11

know each other. I just it takes

38:13

a village and, you know, at this

38:16

level, we gotta all stay connected and

38:18

keep with, like, minded people and your audience

38:20

seems to do the same. Yeah. It's so

38:22

true. It definitely helps to have friends all

38:24

over the place doing this kind of

38:26

work and cheering each other

38:28

on, you know, because sometimes it gets a little

38:30

bit challenging and encouraging one

38:32

another and telling each other

38:34

where the next conference is, and

38:36

that's always really

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exciting stuff too. Yeah. And

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I think that's super cool for everyone

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to understand and, like, when you listen to me

38:43

or Leanne, you you're part

38:45

of our network, which extends way

38:47

beyond, you know, where you are locally

38:49

or where you're tuning in from. you

38:51

get a connection of awesome, like,

38:54

minded

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people all over the world.

38:56

It's so true. I was chatting with

38:58

some people on Instagram about you remember when

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we wanted to, like, order stuff

39:04

for ourselves. We couldn't just go on the

39:06

Internet because it was no such thing. And we would get

39:08

magazines and we'd be like, I

39:10

want this thing and you would put your an and it

39:12

and this is, like, well

39:14

before Internet. And

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it's just the Internet

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is just, oh, there's some really, really

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beautiful parts to it, and that's one of my

39:22

favorite things. It's like community all over the

39:24

place, no matter where

39:26

you in some little town where there's very little

39:28

support if anything that you can

39:30

be walking your dog and listening to two

39:32

people talking about adrenals and

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hear yourself in your story, and

39:36

it it is just such

39:38

an

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incredible experience for us.

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Yeah.

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I totally agree. Love it. Dr. Christie,

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thank you again for coming on the

39:45

show. This as a blast and we hope to have you

39:47

back again soon. Okay. Awesome. Thank

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you guys. I hope you enjoyed

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our episode here with Dr. Christi.

39:54

Again, you can find her by going to

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health by design f

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l dot com. Her

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program 9010

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lifestyle dot com and her Instagram doctor

40:06

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