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This episode contains disturbing content,
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including mention of sexual assault,
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illicit drug use, and explicit
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language. Please take care while
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listening. In 2013,
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Rose Stahl's life was tumultuous. She
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was at the beginning of a
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fairly public divorce. Originally
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from Austin, Texas, she ended up in
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Los Angeles after getting into a relationship
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with a famous actor. They have a
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kid together. But their relationship
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had turned problematic due to illicit
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substance use. I was, you
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know, struggling with depression.
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I had been in my
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third relationship in a row
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with someone that suffered with
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drug abuse stuff, and
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I wanted to try to break the cycle. Rose
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wanted to talk to a therapist. A
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friend of hers recommended that she go
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see someone named Chris Batham. Rose
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had been to therapy before, but she'd
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never met a therapist like Chris. You
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know, you had a really kind of like dark humor and extremely
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intelligent, you know, love to
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wax philosophical. Like it was
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just a very intelligent, interesting
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person who was
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willing to be as interested in
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my psyche as I was at
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the time, which is, you know,
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I mean, that's what you want in a therapist. And
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I mean, that's what you want in anybody. This
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therapist, Chris Batham, happened to
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be the founder and CEO
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of a drug treatment and
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recovery organization called Community Recovery
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Los Angeles, or CRLA. Rose
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liked that Chris had experienced working in
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the treatment field. She had fallen into
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this pattern. She would date a guy
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who was sober. Then he would have
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a bad relapse. And Rose would think,
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I can help him
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stay sober. But this never worked.
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Instead, Rose would end up participating
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in the substance use herself. I
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was just really questioning, am I
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an alcoholic? Am I not? For a lot
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of alcoholics, that's they call it like the
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great obsession. is that we can drink
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like normal people. Rose had been
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obsessing over this question. Is there
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something wrong with me? And
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Chris Bathum had an answer for her. I
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laid bare, here's all the ways that
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I'm pretty sure that I'm crazy and
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out of my mind. And what
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do you think? He was really like, Rose,
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you're actually fine. And
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I fucking believed him. And that was
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really cool. There was something comforting
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and calming about this. Rose
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had never had anyone in her life say, you're
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okay, there's nothing wrong with you. She
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thought, maybe he's right. Maybe
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I am okay. She began
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to trust Chris Bathum. I
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mean, from that point on, there's a bond
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there, right? And this person knows you, and
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then you tell him more and more and
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more about you. And that
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connection was instantaneous almost.
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There's one other thing that sealed the deal for
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Rose, an influencer decision to seek
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therapy from Chris Bathum. He
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didn't charge her any money. Rose
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was never a rehab patient or
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client, as CRLA called them. Instead,
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she spent the next year seeing Chris for
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therapy. But over time, she
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would start to question what was really
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going on at CRLA. Was
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Chris actually trying to help her or
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could he be trying to hurt her? I
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sent him a text, I said, hey, I'm really
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feeling like having a drink and it's sober. And
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he was like, I don't
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think that's a bad idea. That
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was his response. It was, yes, and he goes,
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in fact, I'll meet you. I'll meet you,
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let's meet for a drink. We go to
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the restaurant, I order a drink, and he's
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like, oh, wow, okay, I'll order a drink
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too. What
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kind of therapist encourages a
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client who has a history
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of unhealthy alcohol use to
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drink alcohol? Well,
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it turns out that Chris Bathum
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wasn't a therapist at all. He
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had no training. training whatsoever, and that was
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just the beginning of his secrets.
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Eventually, Rose would start to find out
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who Chris Basim really was.
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The whole thing still haunts her to this
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day. It felt kind
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of, you know, like scared for like my
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personal safety. For the client's personal safety, I
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think I still am like kind of fucked
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up, maybe beyond repair I
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don't know. Not really, but
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from all the bathroom stuff or from other
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things. Yeah, no, from that. And just
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that, and then the way that it ended
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and like, yeah. You're still trying to sort of
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recover from it. Yeah, I
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just saw not really resumed life
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as it was prior to that,
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even, or even close. In
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the early 2010s, Southern California
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became known as the Rehab
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Riviera. A series of
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economic events paired with new
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legislation created the perfect recipe
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for the treatment industry to boom. And
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at the center of it was Chris Basim, the
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founder and CEO of CRLA, which
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at its peak included 20 sober
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living houses and outpatient treatment
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facilities in Southern California
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and Colorado. Chris
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was the self-proclaimed rehab mogul.
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He had a reputation as an innovator in
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the treatment field. But in 2016,
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it all came crashing down. Chris
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Basim was arrested on multiple charges,
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including insurance fraud and sexual assault.
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Although he will most likely spend the rest of
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his life in prison, the full
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scope of his crimes may never be
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known. There are many
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people that might still be alive today had
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they never met Chris Basim. For
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years, he operated as if he
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were invincible. Perhaps that's
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because no one was watching him, except
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for the people that he was supposed to be
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helping. No one cares
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about these women who are drug
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users and alcoholics. We're
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seeking help and was you know
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were surrendering to this thing and
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then were taken advantage of. I
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didn't see that. No doubts. I saw.
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A personal yeah. I never once saw a
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crystal meth. The I was high on to
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cement and I had no idea how I
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got. I. What
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happens when the only people speaking
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up about a crime aren't believed
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because they're addicts? On
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season for of the opportunist we take
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you into the Rehab Riviera a place.
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Where profit reign supreme. One
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we have owner I spoke with
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who witnessed the birth of the
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Rehab Riviera said that respect Them
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was making millions That never seem
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to be enough Los Angeles. He
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told me that's where the devil
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goes on vacation as get away
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with anything. Past
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Yes. This
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is Season Four episode One
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person. We hop Mogul. And
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Two thousand and eleven chris bathroom appeared. On
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a radio show called The Quick Fix
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with host Bradley Quick. The So
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focused on positive change and life.
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Enhancement your now cool change Radio
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Network is the true visionary. Christopher
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Bassem Chris or wasn't the show
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Thank you very much! Good to
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have you. It. Bigger. Throughout.
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The Interview Chris talks about. His
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approach to drug and alcohol treatment and
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recovery will use a lot of the
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older. The practices and traditions of all
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the cultures. A lot of indigenous experiences.
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Things like a sweat lodge. Things like
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going out to the desert and us
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sitting around a fire. Things like I'm.
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Being out in nature and do an amazing thing
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sir. Chris. Love talking about
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his holistic approach to treatment. Which.
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Included things like sound, baths,
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breath weren't classes, and sweat
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lodge meditations. He then
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got into the idea of treatment linked.
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He said something that was actually pretty
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uncommon for rehab. Owners to stay at
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the time and given never seems to
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work, never works as good as the
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first time that they. They never does.
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I'm Susan at first. I always always
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so does affect the matter? Is that
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a paradigm shift in treatment means was.
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Both. You know, I think it means a
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big differences in how we're how we actually
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define what treatment as and that's one of
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the biggest things. I think. I think that
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while people need to be away from their
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places where they use, they don't necessarily need
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to be locked up in a hospital environment
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and they need treatment for a longer period
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of time. So it's not so much about
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this. With acute saying and and come out
9:05
six, it's more about how do we purchase
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for a long period of time A person
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in addiction treatment probably nice. About a year
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of treatment, and that's unfortunate in. A. Good reason
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not to start a sense. The stats
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go to prove that the sixty nine
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a day or more effective than thirty
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or thirty days is silly. I actually
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think sixty days and in an ideal
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world, a client would enter a treatment
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center, go through detox as needed, complete
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their thirty sixty or ninety day program
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without leaving or relapse scenes, and then
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reenter the world and maintain their sobriety
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for the overwhelming majority of people who
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into rehab. and this does not happen.
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On. Average: only twenty percent of people who
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go to rehab will stay sober. That
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means eighty percent of the time the
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treatment as not have a lasting effect.
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It should be noted that there is
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no standard metric across treatment facilities to
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measure that, so this is just a
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rough estimate. No the
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numbers are allow. Prisoners
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answer to this. Was. A longer treatment
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days. He said people needed more time of
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you look at people that of what their
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program about eighty five percent of them are
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doing really good. How. Are they
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sober? Every minute of their lives Know
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I'm sobriety is necessary. it's influence their
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my people relapse and addicts in a
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relapse are part of assistance together and
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often what we have to do is
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learn how to respond to relapse better.
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Sometimes a relapse and and in a
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treatment process is one of the press
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promoted Cia. As successful and part
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by measuring that success not
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by sobriety but by the
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vague answer to send. That
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clients for doing well. And
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twenty fifteen. He sent out a
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fundraising email and that he noted
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that Sierra Leone had helped three
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hundred and fifty clients get sober
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that year, And that quote about
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seventy five percent of those. Are
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doing well today. That
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the interview Chris sounds knowledgeable, well
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researched, a thought leader in the
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field of recovery to even claimed
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he'd created a new model. for
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running treatment centers I but I think that
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most of the works it's being done as
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a money that's being spent is wasted. Really?
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How would you suggest that money be
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spent? Well, you know I think. said
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we're working on developing some model, said
11:18
there are more ram interesting and warm.
11:20
More relevant I'd say to the way
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people get better. You know it's really
11:25
about how a person lives inside of
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us, a lifestyle. How do they create
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a great life for themselves? Chris.
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Often said, longer treatment was the
11:35
key to staying sober. It
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doesn't make sense. But. Most. Insurance
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plans won't cover anything beyond
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ninety days. Chris. Had a solution. He.
11:44
Offered clients job. Once.
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A client was sober. First certain
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amount of time, say sixty days.
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It was common practice for Crest to
11:54
offer them a job at Sierra Lay.
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He. Called it a client staff
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model. Well I did have
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some people on staff who were trained and
12:03
license to work in rehab. But
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the majority of the staff was
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composed. Of Clients Staff. And.
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Two Thousand And Fourteen. Chris offered Rose
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a job. She's been making progress
12:14
and therapy over the past year, but
12:17
had recently slipped into a state of
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depression. You know it's are
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doing really well in helpful and
12:23
nice filling. Really depressed to get
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see. Recommended that I come work
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for c are always in California.
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Therapists and Patience can't have social
12:32
or professional contact outside of the
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therapies. That and this is true
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up until two. Years after
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the therapeutic relationship. Ends Rose
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new this and she questioned. Press
12:43
about it. She wanted to take the
12:45
job at Sierra Lay, but wasn't. That
12:47
unethical. And Faith and I
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again. Next you grab. My facial expressions and
12:51
since he went full you know you couldn't
12:53
work for me. He would have to work
12:55
and a different part of the company and
12:57
then eventually navy for the clarity and I
13:00
sit cleaned it up when and he read
13:02
by like. If
13:04
I said growth has a sort
13:06
of punk rock band. to her,
13:08
she's got bleach blonde hair tattoos.
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She's not. Afraid to swear. She's
13:13
fun and easy going at times,
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but she's also a rule follower
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almost to a fault, In
13:19
fact, over the past year, Chris had
13:21
been working with Rose trying to get
13:24
her to loosen up. For instance, he
13:26
wanted her to become okay with telling
13:28
lies. In the past seat
13:31
ended friendships over the faintest hint of
13:33
a white lie And so when other
13:35
people my life would be done on
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earth. I would say flakes. You
13:39
know, throw the baby out with
13:42
the bathwater. Chris advised her to
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practice. Telling little white lies.
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And just see what happens. It
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was actually really helpful being
13:51
able said understand why other
13:53
people lie in that it
13:55
doesn't mean that their core
13:57
or our entire friendship or
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release. Or you know, his
14:01
last tour of a farce. The.
14:04
Job offers him to fall into the same
14:06
category. Roseanne. Of all the
14:08
good that she could do by working at
14:10
Sierra Les. Plus. Chris offered
14:12
her a very generous. Salary far above
14:14
anything she could make working anywhere else
14:17
since there are gaps in her education.
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So. Rustic that up. This
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become a trend in roses
14:24
interactions. With Chris bath them. He
14:27
gradually encouraged. Her to stop
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seeing the world with such as
14:31
the coasts darkness to be okay
14:34
with breaking the rules. This.
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Was twenty four It team and Cyril.
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I was about to open a brand
14:41
new community center on Melrose Avenue. In
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the heart a valet it was called
14:46
M To and Rose helped open that
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community center. It. Has been because
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a lot of it he was talking
14:52
about was about giving their clients and
14:54
opportunity to sir skating skills for outside
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of treatment so when they laughed so
14:59
if he lived as can want to
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learn how to cut hair or be
15:03
a very sad or you know all
15:05
these things and so that part was
15:08
really innovative so was like wow okay
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I don't think there's anything like this.
15:13
Directly in a treatment center and
15:15
there was amazing and is amazing.
15:18
Prior. To M to opening
15:20
Cla didn't have one main
15:22
building. it was a collective.
15:24
Of. Sober living houses that were spread all
15:26
across the city, a valet and up
15:28
the coast. And. To Malibu in Calabasas.
15:31
M To was the biggest
15:33
facility yet. It had space
15:35
for group therapy sessions, family
15:37
days, and offices for the
15:39
staff. Plus Zero Lay was
15:41
expanding their client staff program
15:43
to include. All. Kinds of
15:45
jobs. There was a coffee shop called
15:47
Grounded and they employed client staff to
15:49
be the barista as a recording studio
15:52
called Sound Mind Records. Some. Clients
15:54
even started. A podcast Rock Bottom
15:56
Radio listener on Bottomley A
15:59
Guess. When you for coming on
16:01
the air of there was talk of opening a medical.
16:03
Clinic and a mechanic shop. If
16:05
you had an idea, Chris Bassem
16:08
would consider it. It seemed like
16:10
anything was possible. Find
16:12
a new flag it is good
16:14
you wanted you to give me
16:17
is it really is is moving
16:19
as bad thing and my way
16:21
and a man in his are
16:23
really getting idea of like men
16:26
like a lie as there's a
16:28
lot of money and as. Many.
16:33
People who suffer. From prolonged substance use
16:35
disorder have gaps in their resume
16:37
or criminal records often as a
16:40
result of their disease. This.
16:42
Makes employment at best challenging
16:44
and at worst impossible. I
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spoke with a former Crl a client
16:49
name's Danny. About that I am a felon.
16:51
The or I wanted to times and houses.
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And my resume. The last job I had
16:58
was to prove and five and then they
17:00
will give me a little bit of hope
17:02
and we're myself. the maybe I am employable
17:04
and I are worthy of doing from for.
17:06
Danny. Pointed out that hiring clients
17:09
as staff members was a good
17:11
economic model. For Sierra Lay there were two
17:13
hundred for Vr to weaken. It would cover a
17:15
portion of our sober living costs you know was
17:17
like for them. they were going to give not
17:19
free labor but damn near for do whatever you
17:21
know. At times Cla
17:23
had. Over four hundred employees on
17:25
payroll, but around ninety percent of
17:27
them were clients das who were
17:29
unlicensed and still working on their
17:32
sobriety. While. The full time
17:34
staff like Bros Stall where well
17:36
paid. The client staff weren't paid.
17:38
that's. Serial. I
17:40
was providing jobs. That. They were
17:42
also getting really. Cheap labor out of the deal.
17:45
And then there's the fact that once
17:47
client started to get paid, there was
17:49
a lot of incentive for them to
17:51
stay at Cla. Some. Of them
17:53
stayed. For years. it
17:55
also made it harder to speak up when
17:57
things started to go wrong Chris
18:05
understood a critical aspect to
18:08
recovery. Community. There's
18:10
a popular saying that the
18:12
opposite of addiction is connection.
18:15
Here's Chris again in the radio interview
18:17
speaking about community. One of
18:20
the most important is immersion in a
18:22
community of sobriety. Now that
18:24
we know more about the brain, we know
18:26
the brain responds very well to other people's
18:28
brains that are in sobriety. And we
18:30
know this if you're trying to get clean, you don't
18:32
hang out with a bunch of people who are using. In
18:34
the same way when people can be in
18:37
a community of people in sobriety, it works
18:39
very, very well. At the heart of
18:41
the CRLA community was Chris Bassam
18:43
himself. He was unconventional,
18:45
not afraid to push boundaries, but that was also
18:48
part of his charm. He was accessible. Clients had
18:50
his personal cell phone number. He
18:54
often wore jeans with a suit
18:56
jacket and t-shirt, looking professional enough,
18:59
but also messy, like a
19:01
busy dad. And then there
19:04
was the undeniable fact that
19:06
CRLA was literally saving people's
19:08
lives. People like Danny.
19:11
When Danny checked into CRLA, he
19:14
had no other options. I started using IV amphetamines
19:16
and smoking opiates, and then I was doing a
19:18
lot of benzos. I was smoking a lot of
19:20
PCP at the time. I mean, it's a miracle.
19:22
It's a miracle that I'm alive. It's a miracle
19:24
that I'm here to talk to you guys. It's
19:26
like really, really, really miraculous that I am able
19:29
to even, you know, get a chance, like another
19:31
chance at life. On
19:33
his 30th birthday, a friend of
19:35
his who had gotten sober at
19:37
CRLA convinced Danny to join him
19:39
there. Danny is still sober
19:41
today. His choice
19:44
to get sober was literally a matter
19:46
of life or death. That is not an
19:48
exaggeration. Danny has had
19:50
so many friends die. That
19:53
friend who brought him to CRLA in the
19:55
first place, he recently overdosed
19:57
and died. has
20:00
too many stories like this. Danny's
20:03
voice sounds kind of casual when he
20:05
talks about the death of his friends, but I
20:08
think that's indicative that death has
20:10
become common for him. It's
20:13
still very painful, but it's
20:15
also just a reality of his life. My
20:18
friend Max Rossman, who was a kid from Jersey, was like
20:20
the sweetest little punk rock kid he passed away, and then
20:22
there was a bunch of these kids from Boston that would
20:24
come, and then they would complete treatment or whatever, and then
20:27
go back home, and a lot of them would get back
20:29
home and they would die. There was another girl, Lindsay
20:31
McCulley, I don't know if you guys, if anyone's mentioned
20:33
her, she just passed away three weeks ago. She did
20:36
admissions there. You know, her aunt Sheila McCulley was one
20:38
of the family coordinators, you know? And she was in
20:40
sober living, was in one of the best programs in
20:42
LA, like
20:45
behavioral modification, 12-step
20:47
heavy, very, very, very good
20:49
program, and they found her in her bathroom,
20:51
passed away. A difficult part
20:53
in telling this story is that many of
20:55
the people who were around to witness it
20:58
are now dead, or missing,
21:00
or have relapsed, and we
21:02
can't get a hold of them. While
21:05
I was talking with Danny, I thought, it's
21:07
like he's been to war or something. When
21:10
else do you have five, six, seven,
21:13
10, 20 friends die before
21:16
you're barely into your 30s? For
21:20
everything good at CRLA, there
21:23
was a dark side as well. There's
21:26
43 people that have passed away since I
21:28
went into this treatment center on July 9th
21:30
of 2015. Those are just
21:32
the people that I know, you know? 43
21:34
people, like this is 43 sons,
21:36
daughters, fathers, mothers,
21:39
sisters, brothers. Even
21:42
when a treatment center does everything right,
21:44
people can still die. So
21:47
if things are intentionally done wrong,
21:50
or if there's a bad actor who is
21:52
causing people to die, it
21:54
can actually be kind of hard to spot. And
21:58
as Danny told me, When someone
22:00
offers you a lifeline, your
22:02
first thought isn't to do a background check on
22:04
them. And I didn't go
22:07
like looking up what degrees he had or anything, you know,
22:09
because I was like, I wasn't homeless and I wasn't putting
22:11
a needle in my arms, you know, and they were feeding
22:13
me pretty damn good food. And, you know, there was yerba
22:15
mathes in the fridge at the house that was out. Like,
22:17
there was no complaints on my end. It
22:21
makes sense that Chris was focused on the community
22:23
aspect of recovery. It's what he knew. After
22:26
he was the rehab mogul, he
22:28
was pursuing spiritual and community-oriented
22:31
endeavors. He was born
22:33
in 1961 and grew up in the suburbs
22:35
of Chicago. He was raised by, like,
22:38
really cool parents who were into, like,
22:40
religion. They were Catholics, but they were
22:43
liberal, like, you know, lefty Catholics in
22:45
Chicago in the 60s and 70s. And
22:48
he also said he wanted to be a monk when
22:51
he was a young man or a priest.
22:53
This is Evan Wright. He wrote a book
22:55
about Chris Bassam called Bad Therapist. Evan
22:58
spoke to Chris about his life before he
23:00
became an entrepreneur. He was
23:02
a community organizer. He was massively
23:05
committed to all of these social
23:07
justice issues in the 80s. He
23:10
came to California because Jane Fonda
23:12
and Tom Aiden brought him here
23:15
to train volunteers that they were
23:17
sending out for this national community
23:19
action program. So he was, like,
23:22
not just a do-gooder, he was
23:24
very effective at organizing and committed
23:26
to it. Chris valued
23:28
community and social justice, but
23:30
wanted to go deeper, to be part
23:33
of something truly authentic. He
23:35
was searching. Maybe he was trying
23:37
to find his life's purpose. He
23:39
had a growing love of sitta yoga,
23:41
and he spent five years of his
23:43
20s living in ashrams in India. And
23:46
I think he was seeking — this is my theory
23:48
— he was seeking religious
23:50
enlightenment. Some
23:52
form of purification enlightenment, his
23:55
whole life, he
23:57
leaves India, ends up in Topanga Canyon.
24:00
in the early 90s. He's had now 15,
24:03
20 years of this journey. He's now trying to
24:05
make money. And he just
24:07
started using all of this knowledge and
24:10
understanding of the talk, the healing, the
24:12
sensitivity, healing, and it dovetailed into rehabs.
24:14
But I think to my dying day,
24:16
if you ask me why he did
24:19
what he did or what changed him,
24:21
is I think he failed
24:24
to get enlightenment. It embittered him
24:26
and he like, revenged himself on
24:28
the world. In
24:33
the 1990s, Chris moved back to
24:35
the U.S. He was in his 30s and
24:37
starting over into Panga Canyon. He
24:39
did odd jobs once starting a pool
24:41
cleaning service around the Malibu area, but
24:44
it wasn't very successful. He
24:46
filed for bankruptcy in 1997. By the year 2000, he
24:51
was 39 years old with his second
24:53
child on the way. He had no
24:55
meaningful income or career. His
24:58
wife encouraged him to pursue
25:01
hypnotherapy. So in 2001,
25:03
he got a certificate in
25:05
hypnotherapy and opened his own practice.
25:08
He took clients over the phone. And
25:10
this is when Chris first started to realize
25:12
that there were a lot of people trying
25:15
to get sober. His clients
25:17
would call in wanting to be hypnotized to
25:19
help them stop drinking or smoking
25:21
or using. Often,
25:23
Chris just ended up talking with them.
25:26
Some have theorized that this is when
25:29
he first started to see himself as
25:31
a therapist. In
25:33
the next few years, there were a series
25:36
of events that when looked at
25:38
together, can only be described as
25:40
the perfect storm. Chris
25:43
Batham was in the right place at
25:45
the right time, or
25:47
the wrong place at the wrong time, depending
25:49
on how you look at it. First
25:52
came the opioid epidemic. in
26:00
the height of the opioid crisis. The opioid
26:02
crisis is more than a human tragedy that's
26:04
claimed a half a million lives. It's
26:07
part of what America's become, a
26:09
nation of addicts. Need for
26:11
rehab was higher than ever, and sober
26:13
living houses started to proliferate
26:15
across Southern California. In
26:18
the early 2000s, California passed
26:20
multiple initiatives, allowing nonviolent drug
26:22
offenders to choose drug treatment
26:25
as opposed to incarceration. The
26:27
industry was booming. The
26:30
second factor is how easy it is
26:32
to start a sober living house. Here's
26:35
Evan Wright again. Once I
26:37
open a sober living house and
26:39
I declare, and I say, this is a sober
26:41
living house, I can get a license from the
26:44
state for like 30 bucks online or something. Once
26:46
I declare that I have a sober living house,
26:49
I can advertise it, I can
26:52
invite recovering addicts to move into
26:54
that house, I can charge them
26:56
rent, I can do all of that. I
26:59
cannot be discriminated against. And the
27:01
other thing that the state cannot
27:03
do is they're not allowed to
27:05
come inside and see what I'm
27:07
really doing in that house. Sober
27:11
living houses are not treatment
27:13
centers. They're houses where
27:15
sober people live together. But
27:17
it's not so easy to monitor what
27:19
happens inside these sober living homes. The
27:22
Americans with Disabilities Act recognizes
27:24
addicts as a protected class.
27:27
The health department can't just march into a
27:29
person's home to inspect it without reason. The
27:31
same goes for sober living homes. So
27:34
sober living homes are easy to start,
27:37
hard to regulate, and in high
27:39
demand. Which brings us to the
27:42
next factor. I
27:44
found something really interesting. The
27:47
whole housing market is propped up on
27:50
those bad homes. They
27:52
will fail. The housing market
27:54
is rock solid. It's
27:57
a clock restart. That's
28:00
I'm a twenty fifteen film. The Big
28:02
Short. The. Growing financial crisis
28:05
created a wave of foreclosures
28:07
across Southern California. Mansions
28:09
and Malibu. The sat empty and
28:11
rent was cheaper than ever. If.
28:13
Someone to get a lease on a Malibu. Property and
28:15
turn it into a sober living house. They
28:18
could search two grand a month to each
28:20
tennis and turn a quick profit. And
28:23
that to tell Chris Botham got his
28:25
start. For the first
28:27
time in his life he was making
28:29
good money. He moved his family and
28:31
a home and Agoura Hills and affluent
28:33
suburb of Los Angeles. He. Started
28:35
to network. Meeting leaders in the
28:37
industry, listening and learning, he worked
28:40
his way up the social ladder,
28:42
making a name for hims. And.
28:44
Then came to the. And
28:47
it was as if a bomb went off. And
28:49
the industry. The Affordable Care
28:51
Act passed and for the
28:53
first time ever, insurance companies
28:55
are required to cover substance
28:57
use disorder. It wasn't just
28:59
wealthy people seeking treatment anymore.
29:01
Suddenly anyone with insurance could
29:03
go to rehab. And
29:05
that would change the entire industry.
29:11
By. Twenty Thirteen Insurance money.
29:13
Was flowing in Syria. lay still
29:15
charged an entrance fee for clients
29:17
with insurance, but it was often
29:19
waves for clients who couldn't pay.
29:22
Jimmy. Gilbert was offered a scholarship to
29:24
check into Cla and twenty the team.
29:27
She suffered from an eating disorder at the
29:29
time, but she didn't have insurance and couldn't.
29:32
Afford to pay out of pocket to
29:34
attend an eating disorder treatment facility. She
29:36
was told Cla could help her. Iran's
29:39
on. You know? I know you don't
29:41
struggle with substance abuse, but like that's
29:43
okay. They take care of everything here.
29:46
You know? I know you don't have
29:48
health insurance or they're gonna set of
29:50
health insurance for you. They're gonna give
29:52
you a full scholarship. So.
29:55
You are aware that. They. Opened
29:57
Insurance and your name. Yes,
30:00
they framed it to me like it was a good
30:02
thing. It made me feel
30:04
so fortunate. I
30:06
was like, wow, he would pay for
30:09
health insurance for me? That's so great.
30:12
Before Kimi met Chris Bathum, she heard
30:14
about him from the other clients at
30:17
CRLA. Everyone was obsessed
30:19
with the CEO. It was like
30:21
they worshipped him. They were
30:23
like, oh, but wait until you meet Chris. Chris
30:26
has studied with these ancient
30:28
shamans. He's written all these
30:30
scholarly books. He's
30:32
like a multimillionaire. He's as
30:34
like a genius IQ. I
30:38
mean, he sounded
30:40
like a god or something.
30:43
The first time Kimi saw Chris, she
30:46
was surprised. He was a
30:48
nerdy middle-aged guy with the receding
30:50
hairline and red blotchy skin. But
30:53
the clients around her looked at him
30:55
as if he carried the secrets to the universe.
30:58
There was just a group of
31:01
young, really attractive women around him
31:03
in a circle. And wherever he
31:05
went, they all went. It
31:07
was funny. At the time, I was kind of thinking,
31:09
this feels a little like a cult.
31:12
Everyone just kept saying, oh, Chris is
31:14
just eccentric. He is just unconventional.
31:18
Kimi struggled to find her place at CRLA. And
31:22
it makes sense why. The classes
31:24
and therapy sessions were all focused
31:26
on helping people get sober. But
31:29
Kimi had never struggled with substance abuse.
31:31
She would sit through meetings about the 12 steps and
31:34
think, this doesn't apply to me. The
31:37
staff's response to Kimi was basically,
31:40
you need to lean into the work.
31:42
You aren't getting better because you're resistant.
31:45
It was always like, why can't
31:47
she get with the program? We're
31:49
all doing it. We're all having
31:52
this spiritual experience. Clients
31:54
and staff, they all just kind of viewed me
31:56
as like a problem. And so
31:58
I thought of myself that way, too. So
32:01
I kind of thought I deserved it. All
32:04
the clients at CRLA had advocates
32:06
assigned to them, and often those
32:08
advocates were client staff, people who'd
32:10
achieved 30 or 60 days of sobriety
32:12
and then got hired for $150 a week
32:15
to work at CRLA. They
32:18
were untrained and fiercely loyal to
32:20
Chris Batham. The longer
32:22
Kimmy was at CRLA, the more
32:25
her mental health deteriorated. She
32:27
attended a meeting in which CRLA brought
32:29
in a supposed health expert to speak
32:31
with all the clients. And
32:34
he was teaching this group, where he's like,
32:36
you know, I think it would be great if everyone
32:39
here started taking diet pills and talking
32:41
about stuff like that. And you know,
32:43
I had like an eating disorder and
32:45
I was like, this is unethical. I
32:47
don't believe in this. After
32:50
she threatened to harm herself, Kimmy was assigned
32:52
a guardian to watch over her 24-7. Our
32:56
guardian was an untrained client staff who
32:58
started bullying Kimmy and once even slammed
33:01
her up against a wall. In
33:04
a desperate attempt for relief, Kimmy tried
33:06
to escape from CRLA. And
33:08
then I tried to jump out the window to try
33:11
to run away. So
33:14
that's when like things started to
33:16
really shift in my
33:19
treatment there. And that's when I
33:21
became personally involved with
33:24
Chris Basim. Technically
33:30
Kimmy could leave CRLA. She
33:33
was an adult and CRLA was a
33:35
voluntary program, but she
33:37
didn't really have anywhere to go. Her family
33:39
had stopped helping her and she didn't have a
33:41
place to live or a job. And
33:44
this is when Chris Basim personally reached
33:46
out to her and offered himself as
33:48
a friend and confidant. So
33:51
then Chris introduced himself and he was
33:53
like, I just want to say like,
33:55
I am so sorry that you felt
33:57
so ostracized by this community. I
34:00
believe in you. I'm never gonna give up on
34:02
you. You know, I'm gonna start working with you
34:04
personally to make sure You get
34:07
all the healing that you deserve and
34:10
like I had mixed feelings about him.
34:12
It was very strange um,
34:14
and also he was a lot older
34:16
like it was kind of a creepy
34:20
older guy But
34:22
then at the same time I was like I
34:24
kind of forgot about that. So I'm like
34:26
wow he's the only one here who's showing
34:28
me all this like warmth and compassion and
34:32
You know saying he sees potential in me
34:34
and that I'm not worthless They
34:36
started spending time together He'd
34:39
pick her up when she was being bullied by the
34:41
other women in her house and drive her around This
34:44
is inappropriate behavior for a
34:46
therapist But again Chris's whole
34:48
persona and approach was that he was
34:50
eccentric The ethical boundaries
34:53
between client and therapist seem
34:55
to dissolve in favor of his
34:58
unconventional approach to therapy I
35:00
was like wow he's going like above and
35:02
beyond like picking me up when I'm crying
35:04
and You know He's making all this like
35:06
extra time for me that like he doesn't
35:09
have to be making so I really I
35:11
felt like I owed him It was always a sense
35:14
of like I owed him While
35:17
they were driving around in the car
35:19
Chris offered Kimmy individual therapy sessions
35:22
over the next few months this became the norm
35:25
Kimmy would feel isolated lonely
35:27
and depressed. She'd text Chris
35:30
He'd pick her up and they would drive around and talk
35:33
now that she had insurance Thanks to
35:35
CRLA Kimmy started pressing to go
35:37
to an eating disorder facility called
35:39
Montanito CRLA was paying
35:42
her monthly insurance premiums, so she felt
35:44
she needed a Chris's permission at first
35:47
He was resistant, but eventually he
35:49
conceded Kimmy went to treatment
35:51
at Montanito But before long
35:54
she had checked herself out and was back
35:56
at CRLA why? Chris
35:59
Basim had been been texting her the entire
36:01
time. Somehow, Kimmy had become
36:03
convinced that Chris was the only one who
36:05
could help her. In
36:13
2014, Kimmy returned from the
36:15
eating disorder treatment facility and resumed
36:18
the car therapy sessions with Chris
36:20
Batham. He would take me
36:22
out to dinner and take
36:24
me for rides in his car where
36:26
he was driving a maniac. But then
36:29
he would listen to me for hours
36:31
and hours. And I remember one night,
36:33
I asked Chris, I was like, Chris, what
36:36
do you think is the missing link
36:38
in my recovery? What have we not
36:40
talked about or covered? Or what
36:43
is it? And then he looked at
36:45
me, and he was like, well,
36:48
I think a part that's missing for
36:50
you is talking about your sexual trauma.
36:53
Kimmy didn't want to talk to Chris about
36:55
her sexual trauma, and she made that known.
36:58
But I said, Chris, I don't really
37:00
feel comfortable talking about that with
37:03
you. And he said, well, I
37:05
do offer, and I don't
37:08
do this for everyone, I do
37:10
offer these hypnotherapy sessions for some
37:12
of my favorites like you. And
37:16
maybe if you did this hypnotherapy
37:18
session with me tomorrow, that you
37:20
would feel more comfortable opening up
37:22
about your sexual trauma. So
37:24
then what happened the next day? So
37:28
I met him. It was called Summer
37:30
Hill. It was in Malibu. And this
37:32
was like the biggest of all the
37:34
facilities. CRLA had just
37:36
added a new location to the growing
37:38
company, a mansion with a
37:40
grand spiral staircase in the entrance, a
37:43
sweat lodge on site, and a pool
37:45
with a water slide. Chris's office was
37:47
also located there. This place
37:49
is huge. And I met
37:51
him at his office. And
37:54
I had been in that office before, but
37:56
I had never noticed that there was a
37:58
door behind his desk. Chris
38:01
opened the door, walked through it, and
38:03
invited Kimmy to join him. And
38:05
then there was another door inside of
38:08
that, and he locked both doors behind
38:10
him, which made me feel really uncomfortable.
38:12
Then I saw there was like a
38:15
dirty mattress on the floor in a
38:17
bucket. And I asked Chris, I
38:19
was like, Chris, what is this mattress here for? And
38:23
he was like, oh, I use that for naps.
38:26
And like at the time, I
38:28
remember thinking that was bizarre because
38:30
he had his own nice mansion,
38:33
like 15 minutes away in a gora,
38:35
like could easily go take a nap
38:37
there. Was there anything
38:39
else in the room besides this
38:42
mattress and bucket? No, that
38:44
was it. Were there any windows in the
38:46
room? No. Chris
38:48
told Kimmy that he was going to lead
38:50
her through a guided meditation. He
38:53
told her to sit on the mattress and close her eyes.
38:55
He said he was going
38:57
to use the bucket as like a drum
38:59
or whatever. He was like, and if your
39:01
mind wanders, like, let it come back to
39:03
like the beats of the drum.
39:05
So I closed my eyes.
39:08
I couldn't tell you for the life of me,
39:10
the actual guided meditation, like what he said in
39:12
it. But it was something
39:14
about finding like my spirit
39:17
animal. I slowly started
39:19
to like open my eyes and just look
39:21
at what was around me. And
39:23
I saw
39:26
Chris like laying
39:28
on his side, like on
39:30
the mattress, doing that,
39:32
that weird look where he's like glancing up
39:35
from his glasses like at me. And
39:38
he started like, he
39:43
started to like button
39:46
his shirt and was like,
39:50
like, like touching
39:52
himself and like
39:54
it wasn't okay. Kimmy
39:57
thought of an excuse as to why she suddenly needed to be a
39:59
part of the family. to leave. I got out
40:01
of there before it went any further, but
40:04
that's when I felt like
40:06
things were not like what
40:09
they seemed at CRLA.
40:12
Kimi didn't know how to leave CRLA
40:15
by this point. It
40:17
wasn't just that she had nowhere to go, it was
40:19
that she was afraid to leave. And
40:22
to be honest, like, that's also part
40:25
of the reason why I classify this
40:27
whole experience as a cult, because I
40:29
was terrified to leave. It was
40:31
made so like you were stuck there
40:34
forever in an endless cycle of treatment.
40:36
It was awful. It was just awful. So
40:39
what happened when you were finally, when you,
40:41
you know, how did you finally exit CRLA?
40:45
I was kicked out. Kimi
40:48
wasn't given a reason. Later, a
40:50
friend who worked in the billing department told
40:52
her that because of her stint at the
40:54
eating disorder facility, the insurance had
40:57
flagged her claims coming from
40:59
CRLA. They had stopped paying.
41:02
Kimi believes that Chris Basim intentionally
41:04
kept her at CRLA when he
41:06
knew she wasn't getting any better
41:08
so that he could keep billing
41:10
her insurance. And once the
41:12
insurance stopped paying, she was kicked
41:14
out. Kimi feels
41:16
that Chris Basim derailed her treatment,
41:18
that her time at CRLA only
41:21
made her journey to recovery
41:23
more difficult and drawn out. I've
41:26
become pretty public with my story about
41:28
all of this because, I mean,
41:30
it affected me for almost 10 years
41:33
after that. Like, I finally recovered from
41:35
my eating disorder. It took me a
41:37
lot, a lot longer than it should
41:39
have. In
41:44
October of 2014, Rose Stahl
41:46
wasn't feeling as excited about CRLA as
41:48
she had that summer when M2 opened.
41:51
She saw the negligence at CRLA. It
41:55
started becoming kind of weird and toxic to
41:57
me. And
42:00
they were starting to, you know,
42:02
refer to clients as like pieces
42:04
of shit when they weren't in the
42:06
room. So it was like
42:09
when they liked someone, they
42:11
really liked them and they would go to bat
42:13
for them. But then there were
42:15
people that they saw as just quote unquote pieces
42:17
of shit. So that's sort
42:19
of being really weird. It
42:22
was standard practice that when clients checked
42:24
into CRLA, all of their belongings would
42:26
be confiscated. Over time,
42:28
if they stayed sober, they would start to get
42:30
privileges back, such as use of their phone, or
42:33
they might be able to go on a day
42:35
trip away from CRLA. But
42:37
there wasn't a set rule for what
42:39
milestones clients needed in order to get
42:42
privileges. It was solely decided by
42:44
the whims of the people in charge. Rose
42:47
witnessed the staff withholding privileges from
42:49
clients that they personally disliked.
42:52
One day in October of
42:54
2014, Rose vented her frustration
42:56
to her fellow coworker and
42:59
mentor, Nina N'Praia. Rose
43:02
was not expecting Nina's response. Nina
43:04
had her own concerns that she wanted
43:06
to vent about. She'd
43:08
heard disturbing rumors about Chris Batham.
43:11
She opened the floodgates of
43:13
this entire tale that
43:16
I was not privy
43:18
to. Nina unheard
43:20
that Chris was sexually assaulting
43:23
clients during therapy sessions. There
43:26
were additional rumors of lawsuits from
43:28
past clients, insurance fraud, and even
43:30
that Chris was using drugs. Saying
43:33
that clients were being raped
43:36
and tortured and murdered, and
43:38
she's like, so anyway, what
43:40
if it's true? I
43:44
had heard nothing about anything like
43:46
this, and it fucking
43:49
freaked me the
43:51
fuck up. It
43:54
went against his entire philosophy
43:56
and ethos his entire...
44:00
If he had been inappropriate
44:02
with a client, it would be just like,
44:05
this guy is a fucking con
44:07
artist. When she first told
44:09
you this of her suspicions,
44:13
what did you think like, and you know, did
44:16
you think that it might be true? I was
44:19
just freaking freaking out. But I
44:21
was totally open to it being true. But I
44:23
was like, I need to find out. I need
44:25
to find out. Like I couldn't handle the not
44:27
knowing. Rose went home. Her
44:30
friend Jane was visiting her from out of town
44:32
and Rose vented about her day and the
44:34
rumors she'd heard about Chris Bathum. Weirdly,
44:37
Jane could relate. Jane's
44:39
ex wife had worked in a rehab
44:41
five years prior and she had also
44:44
had an abusive and problematic boss. And
44:46
so when I was like telling Jane
44:49
about it, she just like
44:51
let me call my ex and see, you
44:53
know, give you some insight or like what
44:55
you could do or whatever. And I was
44:57
like, yeah, I would love to see like,
44:59
what, how does she handle it? And then
45:01
I, you know, we were talking about it
45:03
more and I'm just like, Jane's
45:05
ex wife didn't answer the phone. So they
45:07
waited for her to text back. Rose
45:10
hoped she would have some advice on how to
45:12
proceed and what to do. But
45:14
she was also in a panic. It
45:17
could be hours before Jane's ex wife got
45:19
back to them. Rose wanted
45:21
answers now. Was her
45:23
beloved and trusted therapist abusing people?
45:27
She decided to confront Chris directly.
45:29
She was worried that if she texted him that
45:32
she needed to talk, he might dodge her. So
45:34
instead she invented a crisis. And
45:37
so I finally ended up, I
45:39
found the top, I have it in text, I
45:41
was like, hey, boss, can I really
45:44
need to talk with you? I
45:47
said, hey, I'm really feeling like having a drink and
45:49
it was sober. And he was
45:51
like, I don't think that's a
45:53
bad idea. That was his
45:55
response. It was, yeah, something of that.
45:57
He's like, And he goes, in fact, Amit?
46:00
yeah I meet you. less meat for a drink.
46:02
Rose. Was sober during this time
46:05
months before Chris had suggested to
46:07
her that she should drink alcohol
46:09
in front of him. Rose
46:11
had been questioning again if she
46:13
had an alcohol addiction or not.
46:16
Chris. Is solution was for her to drink in
46:18
front of him and find out she had turned
46:20
him down at the time. But. Now
46:23
she was on her way to meet
46:25
him at a restaurant. Rose.
46:28
Was too sick enough to drive so
46:30
her friend Jane drove her. On.
46:32
The car Ride Their Jane told
46:34
Rose more about her ex wife's
46:37
boss. The guy sounded awful. The
46:39
guy was. Like smoking crack the plants
46:41
in being cited the you know seen
46:43
that of real I've seen under the
46:46
pressure and perfect yet even don't target
46:48
with how. She realized like he
46:50
gave. Her coffee is that in the
46:52
i'm having a matheny like some pretty
46:54
fucked up that. Silly.
46:57
Chris wasn't that bad but the story
46:59
made. Rosa said it was a reality
47:01
check. Their bad actors in this industry.
47:03
Not everyone is who they say. They
47:05
are. This was sunny day
47:08
and was on the highway and sustained
47:10
on Benetton center and going to have
47:12
a meeting of for the street and
47:14
I'm just going to have ten and
47:16
will be family plans to sanitize in
47:18
as you might have waiting for me
47:21
be jumps off chain and Rose pulled
47:23
into the parking lot. Rose
47:25
From members Chris was wearing Bermuda shorts.
47:28
She never seen him dressed so casually and
47:30
it was kind of comical. And the midst
47:32
of this very intense crisis since he got
47:34
ready to get out of the car and
47:36
meet him when Jane got a text message.
47:39
It was her ex wife. She texted
47:41
Jane the name of her abusive ex
47:43
and player who she claimed. Drugged
47:45
and raped the clients and staff
47:48
members. And as seen
47:50
a fucking pulls in the
47:52
white man's wife for spies
47:54
and says chris bad thing.
47:58
is a guy And
48:04
I just, I
48:07
mean just, and
48:11
so I just keep saying like,
48:13
gee, I can't do really, and I'm like, I have to, I
48:15
have to talk to him, I have to talk to him, I
48:17
have to find out. What
48:20
happened next is a blur. Rose got out of
48:22
the car, went into the restaurant with Chris, and
48:24
they both ordered a beer. She
48:26
confronted him about all the rumors, and he
48:28
denied them all. The employee who
48:30
first told Rose about the rumors? Chris
48:33
discredited her. He told Rose
48:35
she'd recently been demoted. This
48:37
ended up being true. Chris
48:40
explained away every single
48:42
accusation. Rose
48:44
took a drink of her beer. That
48:46
night, she relapsed, and it started by
48:48
drinking with Chris Batham, her therapist, and
48:51
CEO of a recovery center. Somehow
48:56
in a matter of hours, Rose
48:58
had gone from fairly certain the rumors were
49:00
true to fairly certain
49:02
the rumors were fabricated. Thinking
49:05
back now, she's not sure how she explained away
49:07
the fact that Jane's ex-wife corroborated
49:09
the story. So that
49:12
had to be some weird cognitive dissidence going on
49:14
for me, because I don't know what happened to
49:16
that story. But in that
49:18
night, he really, that's when he
49:20
introduced me to really just how
49:22
insane and crazy Cliff Brosky was.
49:26
Chris said he was the victim of a stalker
49:28
who was slandering him and the
49:30
company, paying people off to
49:32
say bad things about him, dragging his name through
49:35
the mud. He told Rose
49:37
that a deranged ex-investor was trying
49:39
to destroy CRLA. It
49:42
turns out Chris Batham had a
49:45
nemesis, and his name was
49:47
Cliff Brosky. Next
49:50
time on The Opportunist. He
49:53
said, like, I'm being spiritually raped by that.
49:55
And then he would pose like a glamour
49:57
shot next to his mother, Roddy. His
49:59
room. are enough to take this huge company down and
50:01
at that point we had like 400 having good.
50:05
Let's just say no one in their
50:07
right mind would have done what I
50:09
did had it there been some nefarious
50:11
psychological subliminal shit going on. I'm not
50:13
saying he hypnotized me but he definitely
50:15
was able to get under my skin.
50:18
So Kirsten also became kind of
50:20
a member of the family. She was
50:22
constantly there. Which is really pretty crazy.
50:25
You know that I knew that they were
50:27
having an affair and she's coming to enter.
50:29
The illegal treatment unlicensed
50:32
flophouse by Chris Batham
50:35
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50:37
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