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3:57

understanding of a very simple yet

4:00

universal. principle that the

4:02

nature of life depends on your perspective and

4:05

perspective is a matter of personal

4:07

choice. The

4:10

very same thing can be perceived

4:12

either as an adversity or as

4:14

an opportunity. There is no

4:16

middle road, no third option,

4:19

only a conscious choice between one or

4:21

the other. The key

4:23

to success is seeing an option

4:25

of success where others see only

4:28

hardship. Some years

4:30

ago, Yanka decided to switch

4:32

perspectives to see only

4:34

the potential in every single

4:36

encounter, conversation or situation, no

4:39

matter what. The

4:42

room had a peculiar smell. It

4:45

was the stench of absence soon to come,

4:48

the fragrance of unbearable grief

4:50

creeping ever closer. No

4:54

disinfectant could vanquish it. It

4:56

would linger here forever. The

4:59

child lay in his sick bed

5:01

drifting somewhere between wakefulness and death. He

5:04

reminded Yanka of a piece of half-dissolved

5:06

soap. He was pale, wrinkled

5:09

and entirely hairless. Yanka

5:12

took count of the auxiliary medications,

5:15

the wet wipes, the painkillers, the

5:18

exfoliating lotions, all placed

5:20

on a small table beside the bed, a sorry

5:24

assortment of final possessions. He

5:27

was already scheduled for his next round

5:29

of useless chemo. She

5:31

was painfully aware of her window of time

5:33

closing. She had to

5:36

nail the deal right now. The

5:38

child, Norbi, she

5:40

reminded herself, had shown

5:42

no awareness of her presence, the

5:45

painkillers had turned his senses away from

5:47

the outside world. The

5:49

child did not matter to Yanka. Only

5:52

his mother did. Mothers

5:54

could make or break a sale. Yanka

5:58

looked away from the child and turned

6:00

toward the parents. She

6:02

had already mastered the mournful yet

6:04

compassionate look required for such a

6:06

delicate situation. "'Maybe

6:09

I misunderstood you earlier,' said

6:11

the mother, and for an anxious moment,

6:14

Yanka feared that her name had eluded her

6:16

again. Then it came back.

6:19

Grista! She was called Grista!'

6:22

Yanka repeated the name in her mind as the

6:24

mother continued. But should

6:26

we see this as complementary medication?

6:30

Yanka spent her days at the Budapest

6:32

Oncology Center waiting for the right person to

6:34

walk in. She recognised

6:36

them by the look in their eyes, broken,

6:40

with the sense of having already lost

6:42

everything, yet holding a

6:44

glimmer of hope, no matter how desperate.

6:47

These people were ready to do anything

6:49

to keep that hope alive, and

6:52

were open to Yanka and her pitch once

6:54

she approached them. Grista

6:56

was such a person, a

6:59

potential customer. Yanka

7:01

smiled confidently now. It

7:03

was a smile she practised a lot. The

7:06

husband was called Balaj. He

7:08

sat behind his wife, silent as stone.

7:11

He was money, Yanka knew.

7:14

She had checked his car in the Oncology parking

7:16

lot. A German-made

7:19

SUV, no extras spared. They

7:21

could easily afford her product. Still

7:25

his presence concerned Yanka. This

7:28

product is not medication, Yanka

7:31

said in the calm, soothing voice she was so

7:33

proud of. It was one

7:35

of her strengths. Not

7:37

medication at all, she repeated. I'm

7:40

offering much more than a cure. I'm

7:43

offering life itself. Please,

7:46

change your perspective for a moment. The

7:50

disease is a terrible thing.

7:52

Yes, painful, terrifying.

7:55

Believe me, I know all too well.

7:58

You're seeing it as a misfortunate thing. But

8:00

right now, it's also an opportunity.

8:04

What I'm offering is not a product.

8:07

It's a precious gift, the

8:09

gift of life itself. What

8:11

we do is not a business. It's

8:14

a mission." Krista nodded

8:16

along with Janka's words, ready

8:18

to rationalize any method of hope.

8:21

She wanted, now she needed, to

8:23

believe so badly that Janka felt

8:25

a warmth spreading through her own test.

8:28

It was a warmth of certainty. The

8:31

pitch was a done deal. For

8:34

this gloriously crestfallen mother, no

8:37

price was too high. Still,

8:40

Balazs said, in a deep voice that

8:42

sounded almost obscene in the sacred quiet

8:44

of the sick room, could

8:47

you be more specific? Janka

8:50

smiled again. I'm sure

8:52

you've watched the video. I

8:54

sent Krista a link. The

8:57

footage of the flying people

9:00

Balazs burst. Janka

9:03

nodded, her smile unwavering.

9:06

The footage she had sent them had already

9:08

been seen all over the world. It

9:11

had even made a splash in the mainstream media

9:13

for a hot minute, but was

9:16

quickly made obsolete by a never-ending supply

9:18

of fresh horrors. It

9:21

was shot at a high angle from the

9:23

top of a rock overlooking thick greenery,

9:26

presumably a jungle. The

9:28

footage documented two figures circling

9:30

above the crowns of the trees, like

9:33

birds of prey on a hunt. You

9:35

couldn't see their faces, but

9:37

you could tell there were faces, a pair

9:40

of humanoids gliding through the air, gently

9:43

flapping their immense wings. I

9:47

saw this kind of footage years ago, he continued.

9:51

It's inconclusive. It might

9:53

be a hoax, or some exotic

9:55

animal. I assure you,

9:57

it is not a hoax, Janka

9:59

said. firmly, nor are

10:01

they animals. They're humans. They've

10:04

transcended our form and moved on

10:07

to the next evolutionary stage. They've

10:09

become so much more than us. They

10:12

are airborne, sure, but that's not

10:15

all. They are highly

10:17

adaptive to their environment. They

10:19

could survive on either salt or

10:21

sweet water. They synthesize

10:23

carbohydrates and minerals from the rays

10:25

of the sun like a plant,

10:27

in case no other nutrient is

10:30

available. What's all this

10:32

for? whispered Krista. I

10:35

only want to cure my son. Yanka

10:38

nodded. Your son would

10:40

be cured, but you need

10:42

to understand the magnitude of this opportunity.

10:45

Norbi's disease is your most immediate

10:48

concern, of course. Let's

10:50

take a step back now and look at

10:52

the wider picture. You're

10:54

watching the news. You know

10:56

what's going on in the world. Facts

11:00

remain facts, even if we're

11:02

still in denial about them. So let

11:04

me be blunt. Our current

11:06

form of civilization is nearing

11:09

collapse. We've exhausted

11:11

the planet's resources. Hunger

11:13

wars have already broken out in

11:15

several places all over Asia, and

11:17

we're soon to follow. Crops

11:20

have been failing all over the

11:22

planet. The sea levels are rising,

11:24

and the threat of nuclear balazs

11:27

cost politely. What's

11:29

that got to do with our son? For

11:32

a split second, Yanka saw

11:34

a glimpse of uncertainty in Krista's

11:36

eyes. She knew

11:38

it was crucial now to keep talking.

11:41

We call it the here and now

11:44

and then and forever principle. Here,

11:46

in this room, Norbi is

11:48

sick. His chances of

11:51

survival are slim. But

11:53

if he starts our treatment now, then

11:55

Norbi will embark on the path of the new people.

11:57

Once he has been killed, he will be

11:59

killed. has undergone our method, not only

12:02

will Norby be healthy, but

12:04

he will be superior to us, resistant

12:06

to any sickness, resistant even

12:09

to aging. Then, and

12:11

only then, will Norby live

12:13

forever. Centuries from

12:15

now, when our planet has already

12:18

gotten rid of this pest called

12:20

humanity, Norby will live,

12:23

along with those like him. I

12:25

offer it all to you. To Norby,

12:28

he is the only thing that

12:30

matters after all. And what better

12:32

gift from his parents than not only

12:35

life, but life eternal?"

12:38

Krista nodded again. Why

12:40

can't we also subject ourselves

12:43

to the treatment? Balazs asked.

12:45

His voice was not cynical, only

12:48

flat. That was a good sign. It

12:51

only works before puberty, Janka

12:54

replied. How much

12:56

does this opportunity cost? asked

12:58

Balazs. The price

13:00

of the treatment is 4,200,000 Hungarian forens,

13:02

plus VAT. It covers all aspects of

13:05

the process.

13:08

We put an installment plan if

13:10

that's… No, that won't be necessary,

13:13

Balazs said firmly as he stood up. He

13:16

walked over to his son and planted a kiss on

13:18

his pale forehead. Then he glanced

13:20

at Janka. Let's go

13:22

to my study and discuss the details, he

13:24

said. She felt a

13:26

flurry of birds within her heart. Finally,

13:29

finally, a sail. She

13:32

sprang from her chair and followed Balazs to

13:34

the hall. Her fingers were

13:36

already looking for the pre-printed contract in her

13:38

reticule when Balazs hid her in the stomach.

13:42

Thick black paint spread through

13:44

her insides. Until this

13:46

very moment, Janka had considered

13:48

the man only as a potential customer.

13:51

A father in such a hope for his son.

13:54

She now saw her mistake all too

13:57

clearly. He was a man in

13:59

such a way that he was a man of his own. of some fertile

14:01

soil for his hate to take

14:03

root in. This soil was

14:05

Yanka. Yanka felt

14:07

as if her lungs had collapsed. She

14:09

tried to crouch on the floor, but

14:11

Balaj lifted her by the throat and

14:13

pushed her against the wall. She

14:16

was fifty kilograms of pure panic,

14:18

too paralyzed to speak or think.

14:21

Balaj was quick and methodical. He

14:24

punched her three more times in her stomach and

14:26

delivered two blows to the same spot along

14:28

her ribcage. The severity of the

14:30

pain was beyond what she thought possible.

14:33

She couldn't even scream or cry for help.

14:36

Her insides turned into a vacuum. Her

14:38

limbs were ready to collapse like rag

14:40

dolls. He kept her pinned to

14:42

the wall. If I ever see

14:44

you again, the man roared in

14:46

her face. I will

14:49

follow you home and gouge out

14:51

both your eyes. Is that clear?

14:55

Speech was impossible, so she

14:57

only made a gurgling sound. You

15:00

are the most disgusting piece of shit

15:02

I have ever seen. Do you

15:04

even understand what you're doing to us?

15:07

To my wife? To my child? Giving

15:09

her such false hope. How could you

15:11

do this? Balaj hissed at

15:13

her. His breath smelled

15:15

of nicotine. He let

15:17

go of her neck and she fell to the floor. She

15:20

curled up, coiling around the pain in her

15:22

bowels. Something wet struck her

15:24

face. Balaj had

15:27

spit on her. She

15:29

sensed a warmth underneath. It

15:31

was the only good thing in her life right

15:33

now. It was floor

15:35

heating, she realized a moment later.

15:39

Yunka was overcome with an absurd sense

15:41

of gratitude. At least

15:43

she didn't have to lie shivering on a

15:45

cold floor as she waited for her refill

15:47

of pain. You are lucky

15:49

my son is home now, the

15:51

man growled. I'll give you

15:53

thirty seconds to get the fuck out of here.

15:56

The human body, What a

15:59

wonder. No matter how

16:01

numbing the pain was, Exactly.

16:03

Thirty seconds later, Younger.

16:06

With outside. She.

16:08

Tried only at home. She.

16:10

Cried only in the kitchen. right?

16:13

After she had decided to change her

16:15

perspective and be successful. She. Had

16:18

decorated her kitchen. Walls with

16:20

motivational posters, floor. To. Ceiling.

16:23

It was a safe place. Even

16:26

after she changed perspective and saw

16:28

only possibility and everything she would.

16:30

Still have days that demanded more than

16:32

she could offer. Days

16:34

when her life goals appeared far out

16:37

of reach. Days when she was

16:39

tempted to quit. Maybe. Not

16:41

only her current life mission. Or.

16:43

Job. As less aspiring people

16:45

might call it. That life

16:47

in general. Quit. For good.

16:51

The posters helped. To

16:53

codify a sudden to. You

16:55

just had to follow their guidance from

16:57

posted poster. Success.

16:59

Takes confidence, The

17:02

only thing separating successes from

17:04

failures is that failures quick. Quitting.

17:07

Is for the week. Weakness.

17:10

If is respect. Respect

17:12

yourself to build confidence.

17:16

He made it sound so easy. It

17:19

was nothing to it. Anyone could

17:21

succeed. They just had to

17:23

follow these simple truths and pieces of

17:25

wisdom. That thought that young

17:28

com more than the beating. It

17:30

was all so simple. And yet

17:33

she had failed. She.

17:35

Said have them. Her flesh

17:37

was assessed and of pain. Has

17:39

skyn a topography of bruises. She

17:42

looked around to take stock of a room but

17:44

all she saw with her life in disarray. The.

17:47

Only items organized neatly. West

17:49

stack of unpaid utility bills.

17:52

The. Sight of those bills twisted something

17:55

within her. Unlike so

17:57

many prisons, The redirected her.

18:00

Patriot. Gave it another color

18:02

and form. Soon. She

18:04

found herself angry at the family she

18:06

had visited today. These

18:09

people had the luxury of so

18:11

eating. So. Eating. In

18:13

these times. And yet they

18:15

deny their own child the opportunity

18:17

of survival. For.

18:19

With less. They. Had denied young

18:21

to have money. Money. She

18:24

needed to pay those bills. Money.

18:27

She needed right now. Leaflets

18:30

and advertising kids were scattered over

18:32

the kitchen counter as well as

18:34

blank contacts and perfect currents. Tokens

18:37

signifying of families right to the

18:39

treatment. She'd had to buy a

18:41

dozen of them in advance to enter the business.

18:44

They said this was going to be

18:46

the chance of a lifetime, that this

18:48

was a foolproof business model. Money

18:50

would slow in from two sources: Direct.

18:53

Sales and Recruitment. Direct

18:55

sales and it easy. Parents.

18:58

Would gladly sell out money to say

19:00

they're sick child. It made sense

19:02

to her. Recruitment. Sounded

19:04

harder. But more lucrative.

19:07

Each wix it would need to buy it

19:10

doesn't treatment packages. This time

19:12

from younger. She figured

19:14

it doesn't recruits. With the doesn't packages

19:16

each and a lot of money. And

19:18

once they recruited a dozen more recruits.

19:21

Business. Would really take off. She'd.

19:24

Be moving. Treatment. Packages like hotcakes.

19:27

The. Cash would earn itself. basically.

19:30

And so she poured all her. Money

19:32

into this. But none was slow

19:34

And back to her. Direct.

19:36

Sales lot harder than they had seemed at

19:38

first. She. Blamed the product.

19:41

It would be so much easier to

19:44

hook miracle. Fault or. Anti. Water

19:46

or whatever other bullshit the competition

19:49

was selling. Those

19:51

items sold and outright lie, but at

19:53

least they carried a clear message of

19:55

hope. Easy to pitch unlike

19:57

the product see was pushing. Could

20:00

she knew it wasn't product thought.

20:03

It was has learned. She knew

20:05

it was a hard sell, but by the

20:07

time she was recruited. She had already

20:09

made the switch him perspective. She.

20:11

Saw opportunity instead of adversity.

20:14

Flattered all gone So wrong

20:16

time. Perhaps. See

20:18

with the weakling her post has warned her

20:20

about. The one who exists

20:22

solely as a measuring stick as

20:24

a warning to others. Maybe

20:26

it was time to accept this. Her

20:29

window success with closing fast. He

20:32

was already while and ten forties. The

20:34

bill for stacking up and he had run out

20:36

of people to lend her money. She

20:39

considered her options. They

20:41

were limited. Seeking. A

20:43

job instead of a life mission meant giving

20:45

up on success for good. A

20:48

life without even the possibility. Of success

20:50

was not worth living. And

20:52

he started weighing. The pros and cons

20:54

of using a blade thus a swallowing

20:56

pills. There. Was a catch.

20:58

The. Suicide. With

21:01

only a glorified version. Of. Quitting. Of

21:03

getting a. Successful. People

21:06

didn't quit. They. Never

21:08

gave up. And as the

21:10

uncut went over the possible methods. She

21:12

realized every success story. She

21:14

knew had a.chapter. This

21:17

with the hands. When. She

21:19

looked back. From and later more successful

21:21

era of life. This would

21:23

be a teachable moment. She

21:25

only needed to somehow passes hear.

21:29

The thought suicide prove soothing.

21:32

It offered a plausible upson some time

21:34

in the future. She could

21:36

even make suicide a life go

21:38

if necessary. It would

21:40

give her a final moment of success.

21:43

She was rewarded for her resolve later. That.

21:46

Night with a phone call. The

21:48

phone. I did the number only as

21:50

Thursday sale. It

21:52

was crystal. Young

21:55

on said. There. Was a

21:57

hesitant silence on the other end. I

22:00

was determined not to speak fast. Easy

22:03

to. The woman us in a

22:05

small voice. And you

22:07

can you that please to Had spent

22:09

the past I was researching footage, reading

22:11

articles. And forums discussing the method. Assessing

22:15

the details of youngest pit. Younger.

22:18

Had been through this phase of

22:20

research herself, Krista had found nothing

22:22

of relevance. The company maintain

22:24

online obscurity and confusion as a

22:26

general policy. Courses

22:29

to. City. And. Her

22:32

voice clifford. She. Would cry again.

22:34

She knew she would. She. Grabbed her

22:36

throat exactly where ballers had held her

22:38

earlier. Hoping it would force back

22:41

the psalms. Her eyes was

22:43

thinking but she kept the tears in. She.

22:45

Scolded herself for this lack of control,

22:48

the decided. To play it in her favor. To

22:50

let Calista hear these emotions as

22:52

a show with sincerity. How

22:55

could I possibly do this if I didn't believe

22:57

if I were. To us I

22:59

only want the best for the future

23:01

generation. The best! For.

23:04

Split second, she stopped. Anxiously

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hoping that Chris that would interpret the

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sudden pause as a struggle with tears.

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She. Was always bad at names. But.

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It finally came to. For.

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Not be. At the

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other end of the line piece to

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started weeping and just like that. Young

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Was focused on selling again. O

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Two Seasons, Children's and

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That Treatments Police descend

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to have food. Which

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sees thoughts, fruits, Younger.

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Self the flurry of birds deep in her

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test again. She. Did not hesitate.

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Problem Let me. Call you back

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Made it sound so easy. It

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was not easy. it was

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impossible I

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hope you enjoyed today's episode of the Yiver

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Stories. Here and now and then and

24:08

forever was written by Attila Veres, translated

24:11

to English by Luca Karafieff, narrated

24:13

by Jasmine Arch, produced by Duncan

24:15

Muggleton, remedied by Duncan Muggleton and

24:17

Tom Robson. The sound effects provided

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by freesound.org. A quick thanks

24:22

to our community managers Josh Abuchay and Jasmine Arch,

24:24

and to Josh Abuchay for helping with our submission

24:26

reading, and of course to Ben Arrington for

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the ongoing explosion of content he fires out of

24:31

his social media canon. Attila

24:33

Veres is a Hungarian writer of horror

24:35

and word fiction. His first novel, Odykint

24:38

Sototöb, was a surprise success in his

24:40

native country and was followed by the

24:42

short story collection, I Feli

24:45

Iskolaik. His fiction appears regularly in

24:47

Black Aether, a magazine dedicated to

24:49

Hungarian cosmic horror, as well as

24:51

in literary magazines. As a

24:53

screenwriter, he has written many several short

24:55

and feature-length films all over Europe and

24:58

won the Best Television Screenplay award at

25:00

the 2020 Hungarian Film Awards for the

25:02

TV feature Lives Recurring. He is

25:04

originally from Nyiragháza, but currently lives in

25:07

Budapest. His story, The Time Remaining, was

25:09

chosen to represent Hungary in the Valancourt

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book of world horror stories, and The

25:13

Black Maybe is his full-length English debut.

25:17

Jasmine Arch is a writer, poet, narrator,

25:19

podcaster and all-round chaos for brains. She

25:21

lives at the nook of Belgian countryside

25:23

with two horses, four dogs and a

25:25

husband who knows better than to distract

25:27

her when she is writing. Her work

25:29

has appeared or is forthcoming in The

25:31

Other Stories, newmyths.com and Hybrid Fiction, among

25:33

others. Find out more about her

25:35

and her work at jasminearch.com. McSweeney's

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is an independent, non-profit publishing company

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based in San Francisco. As

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well as operating a daily humour

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website, they also publish Timothy McSweeney's

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Quarterly Concern, Illustoria and an ever-growing

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collection of books from the various

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imprints. You can buy all of those

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donation and for more head over to McSweeney's.net The

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other story is a production of the Story

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Studio Hulk and Cleaver and it's brought to

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