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Blue. We the character

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is an animated. Dog.

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She's Australian. she is seven

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years old. Bluey The show

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has taken over the world.

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Where was? I think? A week in January

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were like one and a half billion minutes

0:19

of blue. We were viewed around the world.

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It. Was not ever imagine that

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this was gonna become the most

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sort of defining children's show of

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this generation. Kids love watching it

0:31

and so they are happy to

0:34

sit there and watch all million

0:36

d episodes of Bluey. But parents

0:38

deeply deeply deeply love this show.

0:41

It is frankly a kind of

0:43

a masterpiece and I I feel

0:45

so happy that it is the

0:47

show that my kids have. The

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best could show on Tv. My be ending

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but Catherine Van Arandong from Vulture

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asked her why fans young and

2:43

old are fretting about their favorite

2:45

show this week. This

2:48

week there was a special episode of

2:50

Bluey. It's never happened before. Bluey episodes

2:52

are usually seven minutes long. But this

2:54

week for the first time there was

2:56

a big episode that it was 28

2:58

minutes long and

3:00

a lot of stuff happened. Why

3:03

do we have to sell our house? We've

3:06

been through this Bluey. Dad's got a

3:08

new job in another city. But

3:10

what's wrong with this city? Nothing.

3:16

It has raised a lot of

3:18

questions about whether what's happening in

3:20

this episode is that they are

3:23

signaling some kind of

3:25

end or some kind of transition for

3:27

Bluey as a TV show. I

3:30

want Bluey to end. I

3:32

like Bluey. Tell us

3:34

what a typical episode of Bluey looks like, Catherine. A

3:37

Bluey episode generally is about some game

3:39

that Bluey and her younger sister Bingo

3:41

are playing. Sometimes that game is really

3:44

simple, where it's just like we threw

3:46

a sticky gecko to the ceiling and

3:48

we're waiting to see whether when it's

3:51

going to fall down. Hooray!

4:01

Sometimes the game is a lot more

4:03

elaborate. It's like some big fantasy world that

4:05

they've created. This can be the shop. And

4:07

this can be the tail. And

4:09

this is where the dog's not. Not.

4:12

This can be the door to the shop. And

4:14

it has a bell when you walk through

4:17

it. And I'll be the customer. Didding. Sometimes

4:20

it's in their home. Sometimes it's at their school.

4:22

There are all these different settings where a Bluey

4:24

episode can take place. But the

4:26

thing that really differentiates Bluey from

4:28

most other children's programming is those

4:31

games then become a

4:33

somatic through line for a lot of

4:36

other things that are happening in the family's

4:38

life and are usually a

4:40

way of working through not just

4:43

one and often not even two,

4:45

but like two or three, sometimes

4:47

even four different levels of emotional

4:49

processing, a children's point of view, a

4:51

parent's point of view or an adult

4:54

point of view, and then play

4:57

and regular household events.

5:00

And the incredible complexity

5:02

and density of all of

5:05

that gets crammed into like

5:07

seven minutes. And

5:09

so you're just looking at this, like you

5:11

watch these little seven minute things and you

5:13

think, how did they do that? Like they

5:15

still feel sort of like magic acts to

5:18

me. And I watched an episode last

5:20

night that was in a subtle way

5:22

very much about infertility. Oh yeah. And

5:25

it didn't feel heavy handed. And I

5:27

think that's maybe what's so exceptional here.

5:29

Yeah, that's absolutely one of the things. So there

5:31

are a few standout Bluey episodes

5:33

that are very clearly about adult themes. The

5:35

episode I think you're probably talking about is

5:37

onesies. Why did Auntie

5:39

Bandy want to leave? Is she sad?

5:41

And why have we only seen her once

5:44

in her life? You

5:47

know how you really want Bingo's cheater

5:49

onesie? Yeah, more than anything. But

5:51

it doesn't fit you, so you can't have

5:54

it. And there's not really

5:56

anything anyone can do to make it fit. Yeah,

5:59

well. There's something

6:01

Auntie Brandy wants more than anything

6:03

as well. But she can't

6:06

have him. And there's not really

6:08

anything anyone can do. There

6:10

are episodes about grief and about aging.

6:13

He has to accept that he's getting older

6:15

and needs to look after himself. He should

6:17

take care of himself for me because I

6:20

still need him. Big,

6:24

serious adult feelings. But

6:26

the thing about them is

6:28

they don't have the pat,

6:31

comforting simplicity

6:34

that tends to come with moral

6:36

lessons in a lot of children's

6:38

fiction. And they

6:40

are almost always depicted both from a

6:43

children's point of view and from the

6:45

parents' point of view. And so the

6:47

kids who are watching onesies are probably

6:50

not taking away the kind of deep,

6:53

deep grief that a

6:56

sense of infertility and

6:58

loss might be

7:00

playing for parents. But

7:02

what that also means is the episode can kind of hint

7:05

at that, can clearly be gesturing

7:07

toward that, and parents can take

7:09

that away without needing to

7:12

have those big, obvious kinds of

7:14

messages. And instead, for the kids,

7:16

that's an episode about how

7:19

sometimes you just can't have the things

7:21

that you want, which is itself equally

7:23

profound. You mentioned grief, Katherine.

7:25

And the thing I hear adults say

7:27

about what makes this show so special

7:30

is that it'll make you cry. This

7:32

isn't just some kid's show. It'll make

7:34

you a grown person cry.

7:37

I know you've written about this. What are some of

7:39

the episodes that will make a grown person cry and

7:42

why? Well, look, the

7:44

episodes that will absolutely destroy

7:46

you are a little bit

7:49

based on your own personal experiences, right?

7:51

So if you are a person who

7:53

has experienced

7:55

a lot of anxiety about

7:57

children and child development,

8:00

and you have ever worried about whether

8:02

your kid is meeting milestones, that

8:05

episode is called Baby Race

8:07

and you're not prepared. Are

8:09

you upset with me that I lost the baby race? No,

8:12

sweetie. Look, we were all

8:14

learning to do things for the first time.

8:17

It just... sounds like I was

8:19

doing everything wrong. My

8:21

personal favorites, though, are, um,

8:23

Sleepy Time... Same. ...and

8:27

camping. Those are my big,

8:29

absolute, weep fests. I...

8:32

every time Sleepy Time gets me,

8:34

some of it's just because Halst

8:36

the Planets is a real banger,

8:39

but that is a very, very

8:41

simple episode about Bingo just

8:43

trying to learn how to sleep in her bed

8:45

by herself. I'm a

8:47

big gala. Remember

8:50

I'll always be here for you. Even

8:53

if you can't see me, it's all

8:57

off you. And

9:01

I tell you every single time, I

9:03

know it's coming, and I'm

9:05

just like, I was at a

9:07

dentist's appointment and they were playing it and

9:09

I couldn't even hear the music, and I

9:11

was like, how could you just do this

9:14

to people sitting in this waiting

9:16

room? It was awful. It's

9:19

funny. I asked a grown-up what the

9:21

episode camping was about this week and

9:24

he told me, and I

9:26

said, did you cry? And he said no, but

9:28

then while he was recounting what happened in the episode,

9:30

he, like, had an emotional swallow

9:32

and maybe almost started crying, so sometimes

9:34

the emotion of this show can hit

9:36

you a little later, I guess, like

9:39

when you're at the dentist, even. Oh,

9:42

yeah, yes. What does this show

9:44

represent, you think, if anything, in terms of

9:46

the evolution of children's

9:48

TV? There's a lot

9:50

to unpack there, but the kind of general

9:54

arc is that children's television

9:56

has evolved in combination with the media. concert

10:00

with our understanding of childhood

10:02

and parenting over the last

10:04

several decades and

10:07

that sort of the earliest versions

10:09

of children's television were largely designed

10:11

to entertain and distract kids. It's

10:13

the sort of TV as babysitter

10:16

idea. And then with the

10:19

advent of shows like Sesame

10:21

Street and Mr. Rogers, there

10:23

is this investment in children's

10:25

television as a form of

10:27

educational opportunity where there's this

10:29

recognition that when you're sitting

10:32

your kid down in front of a

10:34

screen, you can be using that time

10:36

to give them some understanding of the

10:39

world, whether that is math and alphabet

10:41

and all of the kind of great

10:43

Sesame Street learning blocks. One,

10:45

two, three, four, five,

10:47

six, seven jelly beans

10:50

and you've got more and more of

10:52

a Mr. Rogers kind of taking

10:55

children's feelings seriously, taking

10:58

kids' anxieties seriously

11:00

and helping them work through all

11:02

of the minor and major

11:05

dramas of childhood. But you know,

11:07

the toughest thing is to

11:09

love somebody who has done something mean

11:11

to you, especially

11:14

when that somebody has been

11:16

yourself. So those are

11:19

these huge, iconic, important shows.

11:22

And what Bluey does is

11:24

to then take the legacy of

11:26

both of those things and

11:30

recenter that narrative in

11:32

a family experience. I think one

11:34

of the notable things about both

11:37

Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street is

11:39

that although they talk a lot

11:41

about families, they are not largely

11:43

depicting children playing with their parents

11:45

or even parents doing a lot

11:47

of parenting. And so Bluey

11:49

says, what if this is a show

11:51

that is about children having this opportunity

11:54

to learn and we're teaching through play,

11:56

but we're also generally

11:58

centering those ideas. ideas

12:00

in parents playing with their kids

12:03

and in kids playing with their

12:05

friends at school. And so

12:07

the unit of learning here is not

12:09

this sort of authority figure top down

12:11

to kids or I guess muppet down

12:14

to kids in the case of Sesame

12:16

Street, but is instead this kind of

12:18

circle of give and take

12:20

between parents and kids, kids and their

12:23

friends, kids and teachers. And so the

12:25

people who are taking lessons away from

12:27

this show and who are not lessons

12:30

in like a weird, bad pedantic way, but

12:32

like a really, a really

12:34

lovely kind of gut check reminder

12:36

about what it means to be

12:38

a person way are both

12:41

the parents and the kids. That's really the

12:43

huge innovation of a show like Bluey.

12:45

Hmm. Okay. So it's smart.

12:47

It's funny. It's emotional. It's

12:49

transcendent. It's innovative.

12:52

And now it's maybe ending. Yeah. So

12:54

this is a really interesting question. And

12:56

the first thing that I need to

12:58

say is that Disney, the only thing

13:01

Disney has said about this and the

13:03

only thing that any Bluey producer has

13:05

said about this is that there will

13:07

be more Bluey. Maybe

13:12

it will take a break and when it comes back, it

13:14

will be a time jump or something. I'm not

13:17

sure, but I do think there is a

13:19

reason to wonder if there is

13:21

some kind of change happening

13:23

for this show because this

13:26

episode is doing so much

13:28

work to signal, I think,

13:30

to Bluey viewers that

13:32

something is shifting. And

13:35

I don't think it's wrong to be reading

13:37

into and like asking questions about what that

13:39

means for the future of the show. My

13:44

name is Hudson. I am almost nine

13:46

years old. And my favorite thing about Bluey

13:49

is that they're funny and they

13:52

teach you life lessons. Like,

13:54

change is okay. I've used that a lot in

13:57

my life. though.

14:00

I like Bluey

14:03

because they do

14:06

the most funniest things. My

14:09

favorite character is

14:11

Bluey. She's just so

14:13

funny and yeah

14:15

they do such sweet

14:18

things and some

14:22

naughty things as well. Bluey's

14:24

funny because funny is fucking

14:27

funny. Mom and Dad funny and

14:30

I like hobby because I built

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to do it right now. We're going to do spoilers

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for the latest episode of Bluey, which

17:38

is called The Sign. We

17:40

don't usually do spoilers, but I think to understand what's going on

17:42

with the show, we have to talk about the show and we

17:45

have to talk about what happened. So if you haven't seen it

17:47

yet and you really want to go watch it, then come back

17:49

and listen to the rest of this conversation. What

17:52

happens in this episode? What makes it so exceptional?

17:54

What has so many people scratching their heads about the future

17:56

of this show? So the

17:58

sign is... sort of uncharacteristically

18:01

picking up on a little bit

18:03

of serialized storytelling that has been

18:05

happening in the ending several episodes

18:07

of Season 3 of Bluey. Usually

18:09

this is a show where you

18:11

can kind of watch the episodes

18:13

in any order, but instead they

18:15

have been doing some hinting

18:17

that changes might be on the way for

18:19

the healer family. I did rewatch

18:21

like the last 15 episodes and now

18:24

I have like an elaborate like, you

18:26

know, imagine that crazy string board behind

18:28

me theory about like how various scenes

18:30

connect and like what they were hinting

18:32

at and when. But the general

18:34

premise of the sign is that the

18:36

healer family is going to be moving.

18:38

They're going to be moving not just

18:41

from their house, but to a completely

18:43

different city, which is a big deal.

18:45

This show is very rooted

18:47

in the community of Brisbane, Australia,

18:49

where it takes place. All

18:51

of the minor characters, all of Bluey

18:54

and Bingo's friends are a huge part

18:56

of this show. Their teachers, the

18:58

settings are a big part of it. And so the

19:01

idea that they would just be in a new place

19:03

would itself be this massive shift

19:05

for what this show means. And

19:08

obviously for the kids, it's a huge

19:10

deal. Bluey in particular

19:12

is incredibly upset. My

19:14

dad is moving us to another city

19:17

and I'll never see any of you

19:19

ever again. What? And

19:24

then in the very last moments

19:27

of the episode, Bandit,

19:29

the dad decides

19:31

that they are not going to move. He

19:33

rips the moving sign out of the front

19:35

of their yard and they're going to stay

19:37

in this home. And

19:39

thus the controversy is about this

19:42

episode. Yes,

19:44

before we get to what this episode might

19:46

signal for the future of this show, I

19:48

want to talk about how it became controversial.

19:51

How are, I'm guessing

19:53

mostly adults, reacting to

19:56

the morality or to

19:58

the sort of message or perceived message

20:00

of this episode, the sign. Often

20:04

when we're talking about the messages of Bluey,

20:06

what we're talking about is adults. But I

20:09

think in this case, the real concern is

20:11

what that is signaling to kids who are

20:13

watching it, and particularly kids who do have

20:15

to move and whose parents are

20:17

not able to just call off the move

20:20

at the last minute because of feelings, right?

20:22

Because we should note here that the

20:24

whole episode appears to be preparing, especially

20:27

kids. Yeah. For,

20:30

you know, understanding that life doesn't

20:32

always have happy endings, and

20:34

then the episode turns around and gives you a

20:36

happy ending and it feels like people maybe don't

20:38

think it was earned. The thing that becomes

20:40

a happy ending is that they don't have to

20:42

move. And

20:44

for lots of families, for

20:46

most families, I think, moving

20:49

is not a happy versus

20:51

sad ending situation. Is that

20:53

a happy ending or sad ending?

20:55

It's fun. I don't understand. Come

20:58

here. Everything

21:01

will work out the way it's supposed to,

21:03

Bluey. This does not

21:05

need to be framed as a sad ending, but

21:08

it really is in the way that the

21:10

show does it. I do think

21:12

there is a completely different way of trying to read

21:14

that ending for adult viewers, which is

21:17

that it is trying to be about understanding

21:20

the life that you currently have

21:22

as enough. And

21:25

instead of perpetually trying

21:27

to seek some

21:29

kind of ambitious, bigger,

21:31

more money, more opportunities

21:35

way of living your life,

21:38

you see your community, you see where

21:40

you are for

21:42

as good and beautiful and sustaining as

21:44

it is. And I get

21:46

that and I love it.

21:48

I think it's beautiful. And I don't

21:50

think that it really works for

21:53

the kids who don't get

21:55

to make those choices or have that kind of

21:57

power over their lives. What

22:00

else is unclear about this episode as it

22:02

pertains to maybe where this show is going?

22:05

The show is usually seven, eight, nine minutes,

22:07

and then all of a sudden, I think

22:09

the literal episode description of

22:11

this episode, the sign is, this

22:13

is a 28-minute episode of Bluey.

22:16

There clearly, something is afoot

22:18

in the Bluey universe. Do we have

22:21

any idea what it is? We really don't.

22:23

I think there's a lot of reasons

22:25

to look at this as trying

22:29

to signal something about a change in Bluey.

22:31

One of them is that when I talked

22:33

to Joe Brum for this piece that I

22:36

wrote about Bluey three years ago, he was

22:38

already then, three years ago, thinking, I don't

22:40

know how long this show can continue for

22:42

a number of reasons. I

22:46

have a hard time imagining what this show

22:48

is like more than three or four years

22:50

in the future. Of

22:53

course, now I, a TV critic

22:55

and avid Bluey viewer, am looking

22:57

three years from the future and

22:59

thinking, wow, a giant special episode

23:01

about changes to the healer family,

23:03

you say. What could

23:05

this be doing? I do think there is all sorts

23:07

of other things happening in the sign. It

23:10

is so full of

23:12

callbacks to previous Bluey

23:14

things. That

23:16

is a season finale, series finale

23:18

move, right? To just really load

23:21

something up with all of these

23:23

references to things that people have

23:25

loved from the past. Then

23:28

the other thing is that it

23:31

is, as I mentioned, an

23:33

episode about wondering what to do

23:36

with your future. Even

23:39

though the episode doesn't give you an answer where

23:41

you're like, clearly, this is what the creators of

23:43

Bluey decided, it does seem to suggest that that's

23:45

what this is thinking through

23:47

within the show. that

24:00

is this successful, this popular, this beloved

24:03

in its prime. We don't have a

24:05

lot of examples of that, like Seinfeld

24:08

comes to mind. No,

24:12

we don't have a lot of examples of

24:14

that. And the difference between Bluey and Seinfeld

24:17

is that nobody's out here strolling

24:19

the target aisles for their Seinfeld

24:22

four-year-old birthday presents, right? Like

24:24

it's not just the show.

24:26

It is this now enormous

24:29

merchandising arm. It

24:32

is in an age of streaming where

24:34

there is so little certainty about what

24:36

shows do well. You have to imagine

24:39

that everyone is looking at Bluey and

24:41

like, like I cannot

24:43

imagine what Bob Iger would do

24:45

to guarantee the existence

24:47

of more Bluey. I

24:50

think it would probably include illegal

24:52

things. You know what I'm saying?

24:54

And there is not

24:56

really a ton of production industry in Brisbane,

24:58

Australia, but there is this company and

25:01

this company makes Bluey. That is what they

25:03

do. And at the same

25:05

time, it's also kind of just

25:07

one guy, like Joe Brum created this

25:09

show. And I know

25:11

having spoken to him several years ago, it

25:15

is an incredibly personal show

25:17

for him. His brother's voice

25:20

bandits brothers, his mom voices

25:22

one of the grandmas. There

25:25

is no public information

25:27

about who voices Bluey

25:30

and Bingo, but there are a lot

25:32

of rumors that they are kids who

25:34

are close to the production. And the

25:36

stories are about the things that happen

25:38

in his family. And he

25:41

is a perfectionist. Like he is one of those

25:43

people who the idea of making this

25:45

show, if he felt like it

25:47

was done, I think it would really

25:50

it would mess him up. I'm glad

25:52

you brought up how intimate the production

25:54

of this show is because sometimes when

25:56

I'm around small children and I see

25:59

what they're watching. be it on YouTube

26:01

or on Disney Plus or

26:03

just on TV. I'm just horrified

26:06

by how lowest common denominator

26:09

and like AI generated and just like

26:11

hastily made the stuff they're watching seems

26:13

compared to say what I got to

26:15

watch, you know, 30 years ago, 35

26:17

years ago. Do you think the success

26:21

of Bluey, even if it might

26:23

be ending this week, might

26:26

suggest to the animators and

26:28

creators out there that it's worth

26:30

taking this more bespoke approach

26:32

and maybe that can be Bluey's

26:34

ultimate gift to us and our children?

26:38

God, that would be so lovely, wouldn't it? And

26:40

I would love

26:42

if that is the

26:44

takeaway here. I mean, we can only hope.

26:47

I do think it is such

26:50

a hard moment for all

26:52

kinds of television and kids TV is

26:54

part of that because if you

26:56

could be sure, if you're Bob

26:59

Iger or whoever, if you could

27:01

be sure that investing that way

27:03

in every individual show that was

27:06

somebody's deep personal

27:08

project was going to turn out

27:10

Bluey's every time. I imagine you

27:13

would happily pull that lever, but

27:16

the margins on that terribly,

27:19

shoddily made AI stuff

27:21

have got to be

27:23

pretty enticing also, right?

27:25

Like they make them

27:27

so fast. They are

27:29

so, I can only imagine

27:32

cheap comparatively. They're easy to

27:34

port around the world. And

27:37

you don't have one creator

27:39

who I think is

27:43

very particular about what his show is. I think

27:46

probably if you are one of the distributors of

27:48

these other shows, you can be like, and

27:50

that episode seems a little risky, like shelve it.

27:52

And they go like, all right, boss. And that

27:55

is not how those conversations go in Bluey

27:57

world from what I understand. And. And

28:00

it is a much riskier,

28:02

I think, project if you are on

28:05

the executive side. Now, don't

28:07

listen to anything I've just

28:09

said, any executives listening

28:12

to this right now. Only invest

28:14

in the beautiful personal projects. Please,

28:16

please, please. Catherine

28:23

Van Eyre and Dunk, vulture.com.

28:25

People say there might be

28:27

a new Bluey episode this

28:30

weekend. Maybe it'll further

28:32

explain. Grant! Let's

28:34

roll the credits, bud. Victoria.

28:37

Abbe-se. Abbe-na. Son. Nuevo.

28:40

Halima. Halle. Jesse.

28:43

Myron. Amanda.

28:46

Miranda. Patrick. David.

28:49

Mr. Rob. Max. We'll go check the facts.

28:53

I know who is in today's screen. My name is Aidy and I'm from

28:55

the Bay Area. My name is Aidy

29:14

and I'm free as old. Why

29:17

do you like Bluey? Because... It makes

29:19

you feel... Happy.