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audio engineer based in New York City. Once

1:05

he gets off the Subway, Fred walks up

1:07

the stairs and into one of the most

1:09

famous buildings in the world. So

1:12

I walk into thirty Rockefeller Plaza. I

1:17

go up to the seventh floor and the seven floors

1:19

were all the control rooms are. Most

1:22

audio rooms are pretty dark and they

1:24

don't have windows to the world by

1:27

our room in Control Room seventy two

1:29

as a little bit different because the

1:31

can pay to go upstairs and get

1:34

a tour so we actually have glass

1:36

windows that people can look into to

1:38

see the productions happening. This control room

1:40

is jam packed with state of the

1:43

are audio gear, their computer screens from

1:45

floor to ceiling as well as. All

1:47

kinds of outboard effects, speakers, patch base

1:49

processors, and at the center of at

1:52

all is a giant mixing board. Whatever

1:54

you're picturing in your head right now,

1:56

multiply it by ten and you'll get

1:58

the right idea. Very colorful

2:00

these days. Lots of L E D's

2:02

we have testing equipment. There's a transmission

2:05

station. Everything

2:07

has to be calibrated perfectly because

2:09

when you work on late night

2:11

television show, there's very little room

2:14

for mistakes. And for eight years,

2:16

that's exactly what Fred did. I

2:18

was the senior production mixer for

2:20

a Late Night with Seth Meyers.

2:25

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The past eight years late night talk

2:48

shows have been a staple of American

2:50

television. From. The early days of Johnny

2:52

Carson. Tonight

2:57

Show Starring. To

2:59

modern house like Jimmy Fallon. Through

3:07

the decades, the format of these

3:09

shows has stayed pretty consistent and

3:11

opening monologue, some comedic segments, celebrity

3:13

interviews, a performance by a musician

3:15

or stand up comedian, and of

3:18

course music from the house fan.

3:28

But while the format is pretty straightforward,

3:30

the sound of Late night is a

3:32

complex beast with many moving parts, and

3:35

the person in charge of wrangling that

3:37

beast is the broadcast mixer also known

3:39

as the production sound mixer. A

3:42

broadcast mixer takes all of

3:45

the sound elements of a

3:47

certain production music microphones, sound

3:49

effects, and mixes them together

3:51

to create one coherent sound.

3:53

In other words, they are

3:56

responsible for what the viewers.

3:58

Here at home on top of the. They also

4:00

trigger the sound effects during the taping.

4:02

Back in the day they used have

4:05

a son of sex playback operator but

4:07

they have reduced our positions and production.

4:09

Some mixes a response from playing sound

4:12

effects but the job doesn't end there.

4:14

Sometimes they have to be a technical

4:16

engineer to see her, he she's out.

4:19

Sometimes they have to be a psychiatrist

4:21

to talk to talent or talk to

4:23

the directors of producers. Sometimes they're a

4:26

manager of a team. The

4:30

first secret of working on a late night show

4:32

is that it doesn't actually happened late at night.

4:36

Unlike a fully live show like Saturday

4:38

Night Live, most late night shows are

4:40

recorded in the afternoon and broadcast later

4:42

that evening. This gives them a few

4:44

hours to smooth out any mistakes. But

4:46

like Saturday Night Live, late night shows

4:48

are filmed with a live studio audience.

4:50

So the goal is to do everything

4:52

in one take. In the industry this

4:54

is called lives to tape and it

4:56

means a lot of pressure for the

4:58

production team. It is a big show

5:00

and we're doing it lives and we

5:02

all wanna make sure we do it

5:04

right and great. A

5:09

typical day for Fred with start at

5:11

ten thirty am, about six hours before

5:13

showtime. T. Minus six hours.

5:17

So the first thing I do when I

5:19

walk in the door just look at a

5:21

console makers working. This audio console is pretty

5:23

similar to the big mixing board you'd see

5:25

in a music studio. It's got a bunch

5:27

of sliding cedars that move up and down

5:30

under the mixers fingers so they can adjust

5:32

the volume of different elements like bringing up

5:34

the music. And

5:37

controlling the microphone levels of Sas his

5:39

guests and me. I. Love

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Sour where the ferry as like

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a Star Wars is very as

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was most excellent if even one

5:48

part of the system sales a

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can completely d real attaining that's

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a stumble and we don't do

5:54

stumbles. So every

5:56

morning and friend is t make sure

5:58

that every component is working is expected

6:00

to the first hours called R E

6:02

S U S or engineering set of

6:04

time So I go through my room

6:06

first major thing that room works and

6:09

eye contact My team because of all

6:11

microphones does medical history that day. Biggest

6:13

Draw: Twenty Four Lovelier Microphone Smith Role

6:15

of twelve handheld microphones Testing Check When

6:17

do we test all my seeds that

6:19

come from me which are all that

6:21

video playback so the audience can hear

6:23

it. This. Includes any pre recorded

6:25

clips like the fake movie trailers they

6:27

sometimes make. Accessed

6:30

probably of then Affleck film.

6:34

They also check all the sound effects

6:36

they may use that day so they

6:38

can hear all the funny punches and

6:40

slaps and fart noises. Analyst Us: T

6:45

minus five hours. Once.

6:48

Fred and his team have made sure that

6:50

every microphone, every table, and every. Is.

6:53

In working order, they are joined by

6:56

the production team, the production team or

6:58

the director, the associate director, all the

7:00

producers, the writers. They'll check things like

7:02

cameras and lighting, props, and choreography, while

7:04

Fred and his team give them any

7:07

audio support they might need. So.

7:09

We're there to facilitate them we can

7:11

rehearse. We can do whatever they wanted

7:13

to that day. t minus four hours.

7:16

And. Then we break for lunch about twelve thirty for

7:18

an hour. T

7:27

minus three hours. After

7:30

lunch, Seth Meyers and the writers well rehearsed

7:32

a monologue with a test audience. These are

7:34

just random people that happened to be in

7:37

the N B, C gift shop or even

7:39

outside on the street. Every day they would

7:41

get on a little P I N Sat

7:43

there is a they want to go upstairs

7:45

and said modelers as much. Else and they

7:47

bring like forty people up into our

7:49

studio. Minus two hours at that point

7:52

severance through his monologue to see how

7:54

well the jokes land is. The way

7:56

that the writers can judge if their

7:58

jokes are funny or not. Then they'll

8:00

choose which ones actually end up in the mile

8:02

long that night. This also gives Fred a chance

8:04

to rehearse any sound effects he might use for

8:06

a joke or even make some up on the

8:09

fly. Here's. A clip from a monologue

8:11

rehearsal that Fred remembers. well. North.

8:13

Korea has reportedly finish building a

8:15

water park as I have water

8:17

ports sweaty put a pig and

8:19

a water so hey this is

8:21

a. Very

8:26

rich people do that for interface.

8:28

release the pig down the slide.

8:31

For my so does I put pig

8:33

landslide. Is

8:45

a reminder if you riff way longer the

8:47

exposed to. Come

8:50

up with a spotify! T

8:54

minus one hour. If

8:57

employees the Eighth Seed Band will come out

8:59

and know do the little soundtrack for by

9:01

got a half hour. The A D Band

9:04

is the house band for Seth Meyers, so

9:06

it's led by comedian Fred Armisen on drums,

9:08

with other drummers filling in when he's away.

9:14

After. That the band goes back stage and

9:16

everyone gets ready for the audience to come

9:18

into the studio. All the props to put

9:20

away, the curtains closed, everything is is set

9:22

for the so and they miss or do

9:25

the loading for the on. The

9:27

audience comes up to the eighth

9:29

floor and files into the theater.

9:31

T Minus thirty minutes. Once

9:35

every once in their seats it's time to

9:37

get some primed for the show or warm

9:39

ups. Medium Ryan Reese comes out and to

9:41

try to get him on foaming at the

9:43

mouth. And laughing and just really really

9:46

good move a play football when I

9:48

was there but are debated as that

9:50

three hundred pounds bad food, addiction physicians

9:52

the worst sixty get asked him to

9:54

go cold turkey is still turkey's delicious.

9:56

After the warm up routine comes a

9:59

warm up. some. Ryan will go

10:01

ahead and introduce the Hc Bam and they

10:03

will all come out and they will play

10:05

one song for the audience to get them

10:07

all warmed up. After all this warming the

10:10

audience is really starting to simmer. Ryan will

10:12

then come back out and then introduced. Comes

10:16

out to a full audience airbase. super excited

10:18

and surprise then that is coming out from

10:20

is really happy he says thank you very

10:22

much for coming here tells him out some

10:25

of the do's and don'ts the show

10:27

that makes very lighthearted cells go jokes by

10:29

this point. So. Time is looming. When

10:31

set comes out, it's like literally freeman

10:33

as so showed on. T.

10:35

Minus three minutes. While

10:38

things are coming to a boil on the

10:41

eighth floor studio one floor below, the technical

10:43

team is doing their final checks during that

10:45

time downstairs for his double checking and stuff,

10:47

making sure the script is are correct, making

10:50

sure all of our video elements the closer

10:52

look her in a closer Look is the

10:54

key segment of Late night. It's an extended

10:56

monologue about current events and often times the

10:59

production team works on it until the very

11:01

last minute. or so many graphic elements and

11:03

so many sound bites that are for. The

11:05

first act so graphics are so be

11:07

loaded in and Fred is keeping track

11:09

of all these last minute changes making

11:12

nose in a script on talk and

11:14

my team is making sure they're all

11:16

good. I make sure I have record

11:18

I'm pro tools make sure his record

11:20

I'm a backup. Records seem almost two

11:22

minutes says finishes addressing the audience He

11:24

always says in a minute not even

11:26

a minute other if I got here

11:28

or said the show those backstage looks

11:30

in the mirror. I checked his microphone

11:33

signals baker thing solid there and then

11:35

the. Countdown begins t Minus one not

11:37

the director calls out the one minute

11:39

mark and the associate director start counting

11:41

down. She counts down for a minute

11:43

and then so give forty five and

11:45

then make sure the world recording three.

11:47

So yep, speeding speeding is audio engineer

11:49

lingo for recording and as feeding him

11:51

as dating and me the mixer. Speeding

11:53

and we're all going to go in

11:55

the final seconds before the show Friend

11:57

has a ritual, he looks out the

11:59

window at his control room, at the

12:01

music mixer, who's sitting across the hall

12:03

in the show, announcer Ron who's in

12:05

a voiceover base. All three of them

12:07

stop what they're doing for a second.

12:10

So. We all stand up, we face each other.

12:13

We salute each other everyday. Fred for the show.

12:15

Airbases have ratio have ratio Humberto and then I

12:17

You know it's like fifteen seconds and then ten.

12:21

Mine. With every second in

12:23

the Countdown eight, The Energy Rises,

12:25

Seven, the anticipation film Six and

12:28

A Crowd was more and more.

12:30

Things A. Lot.

12:32

Of spotting of five and they're usually really

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wow That point is is super excited or

12:36

actually had a tv show in as many

12:38

recording and are in a see it said

12:40

nice than the fans exam the bandleader councilmen

12:42

and all of a sudden you hear the

12:44

band play. Second

12:46

later to open up runs microphones. That's

12:51

a great feeling when I hear run, talking house

12:53

and Syrian kind of booming through the p a

12:55

as well because everything is is super allow the

12:58

top of the sounds like rock concert. In

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13:04

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17:58

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18:00

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18:06

all getting rapid fire instructions.

18:08

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18:34

we have one hand on the console

18:37

missing microphones, many of the other hand

18:39

firing. Ah, sound effects to go with

18:41

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18:43

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18:51

of the primary audio engineers also known

18:53

as a one along with Fred and

18:55

there are three other hey once, each

18:57

with their own set of responsibility. The

18:59

first is the music mixer to work

19:01

on the seventh floor. With bread so

19:03

the music mixer mixes all the

19:06

music saucepan guess ban stand basically

19:08

since next to me that way

19:10

Fred never has to think about

19:12

individual instrument levels. Instead to control

19:14

the overall music level with a

19:16

single fader. then they are to

19:19

a ones upstairs in the studio.

19:21

One is the fullback mixer and

19:23

he's responsible for the guinea ears

19:25

or that stays Monitors for the

19:27

house band and Guess Pam. These

19:30

monitors have dedicated mixes for the

19:32

musicians. So they can hear what

19:34

they're playing and then we our front

19:36

of house engineer who is responsible for

19:38

mixing everything for the audience which is

19:40

in the studio along with for a

19:43

ones they're also a couple of eighties

19:45

eighties or audio systems. We have one

19:47

that is does needed for production and

19:49

one that has Disney to for of

19:51

music production. A to Bianca is responsible

19:54

for making sure that says and all

19:56

of the guests are mike to properly

19:58

she's my eyes and ears. On

20:00

the eighth floor and she's always can

20:02

cause a communications major in the south.

20:04

Finally there's the music A to John

20:06

John is in charge of all the

20:08

equipment us on the house band states

20:10

when he also be the one that

20:12

orchestrates the rehearsal. This

20:17

team has to be a well oiled machine

20:19

because once the cameras are rolling, there isn't

20:21

much room for error. Is a lot going

20:23

on that a lot of technical things that

20:25

could go wrong. For instance, the studio had

20:28

some persistent radio frequency issues that would cause

20:30

microphones to drop out. We knew the problem

20:32

there and we're trying to fix it. And

20:34

it's very hard to find six minutes invisible,

20:36

but you're the one as to answer forty

20:38

something happened. So just to have that in

20:40

my brain the entire time thinking okay says

20:43

microphone be okay for the shelves or psychiatrist

20:45

at some point. That. Can be very

20:47

stressful. But. No matter how hard

20:49

Fred prepares, snafu, still happen. Here's one

20:51

from the first season of the show

20:54

Back And Twenty Fourteen. Like

20:57

as big as I say that everyone

20:59

knew. There. Were nine planets in

21:01

the solar system, but several? You're right

21:03

In the beginning of our show, the

21:05

big news story was Pluto was not

21:07

being recognized as a planet anymore. We.

21:09

Had Neil De Grasse Tyson. I'm and

21:11

one of our writers was coming out

21:13

dresses Pluto. We have to have someone

21:15

in the audience. I wasn't too happy

21:17

about the demotion. A pseudo any at

21:19

the same to live. In

21:23

this guess the writer is dressed

21:25

in a bluish fray Pluto costume

21:27

looking like a giant dumpy blueberry.

21:29

Oh nails! Are expected

21:32

to see me here? Warrior us know not.

21:34

I guess I was. So it was made

21:36

out of some kind of found them or

21:38

something and we had a lot earlier. Microphone

21:40

the inside right below his chin, gas tape

21:42

in the inside? Yeah, well. it's easy to

21:44

talk about someone behind their back when they're

21:46

billions of miles away. And. Fortunately it

21:48

got so warm in there that the gas

21:50

tape peeled off in the microphone dropped and

21:52

was on the bottom of the planet and said

21:54

the top of the planet if you are

21:56

in the audience that day it would have

21:58

sounded something like this: Have. You. Read

22:03

my perfect. Snacks

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Fair to know. I'm

22:08

very sorry you don't really read,

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do things and do second takes

22:12

for sketches. Expensive to live audience

22:14

so had the other day. I

22:16

go back in there and find

22:18

repaired as best I could. Once

22:20

Fred worked his magic in post

22:22

production. this is what it sounded

22:24

like on air that night. Was

22:27

enough of your rules and your

22:29

knowledge and your understanding of the

22:31

way things are so work in

22:33

human existence. Other sketches

22:35

called for very specific sound effects.

22:37

We had a sketch where there

22:39

were two riders in the middle

22:41

with a break into a fight

22:43

scene. This country has gone insane. I've lost

22:46

all hope. Iowa make you

22:48

feel better. I'm not giving

22:50

you a hug. Lot.

22:53

Of things that think when. And.

22:55

They gonna go away and they actually have

22:57

to. Stunt doubles come in and do like

22:59

this. Thirty sent him sightseeing. You know they

23:01

want music of me so if they wanted

23:03

every punch in sick and everything have a

23:05

sound effects. And

23:08

my you guys that are like preview for

23:10

this right the mary together and post going

23:12

over to live. There

23:16

was probably about twenty sound offense total

23:18

under thirty seconds. To

23:21

work. After that, they rehearsed the fight scene

23:24

multiple times that day. With Fred triggering

23:26

the sound effects and real time

23:28

know the able to subdue over

23:30

and over and over and again

23:32

until was like almost muscle memory.

23:37

And when it came to show time, I was really

23:39

happy. I did that because if we just we nailed

23:41

it. Fred.

23:47

Was so proud of that sketch that when people

23:49

with to or the said he would load up

23:51

that scene for them then they could try to

23:53

trigger the sound effects in sync with the action.

23:56

Like. A Wanna buy some sonos? I took

23:58

it out. Trimester kicks and punches. On

24:03

have Myers a sketch with alive, rapid

24:05

fire sound effects is a bit of

24:07

an outlier. Most of the time the

24:10

show follows a fairly predictable set up

24:12

for says pretty straightforward. really? You know

24:14

it's like interview interview version of you

24:16

sketch interview music. Finally the

24:19

last segment ends. so the last few

24:21

minutes the show usually set the saying

24:23

denied So we come back up from

24:25

blocks and you hear the crowd applauding

24:27

and suddenly they're be standing in the

24:29

audience or he'll be sitting as desk

24:32

with a gas or he'll be standing

24:34

center. Stays with the guest band I

24:36

just played face specifying serve of against

24:38

the Nine Cents is a man in

24:40

the he say to name. And

24:52

and the eighty damn a plane they're

24:54

closing theme out by the audience is

24:57

so fucking at that point set the

24:59

same think it or body and then

25:01

all sunny looks the audience and ways

25:03

to them as the by and he

25:05

exit stage left and stuff was out

25:07

First leaders tex mex on asked bianca

25:09

and he goes back to. At

25:17

that point sets job is done in

25:19

the audience starts filing out. the Fred

25:22

still has work to do com downstairs

25:24

getting ready to revisit all the issues.

25:26

that amount of have things that money

25:28

to fix that might things like a

25:31

lot earlier microphone that field of Pluto's

25:33

chest or a writer's punch that landed

25:35

without a threat and explosives on microphones

25:37

are go ahead and repair his says

25:40

microphone dropped out for reason I'll have

25:42

to copy and paste the desk bike

25:44

over penis. We have continuity as voice.

25:47

If anything is be rebalanced we mixed or

25:49

bring it back up and pro Tools were

25:51

on the fix it. The studio audience may

25:54

have heard those imperfections that when the show

25:56

airs later that night with the viewers get

25:58

his pristine perfect sound. Broadly.

26:03

Speaking sound mixers usually come in

26:06

two forms: one group works and

26:08

live audio sliding cedars and balancing

26:10

the signals at events like concert

26:12

film sets and sports games. The

26:14

other group works in the studio,

26:16

recording musicians or voiceover artists and

26:18

mixing in editing for hours and

26:20

pro tools. But a job like

26:23

Fred's is very unique. The

26:28

really cool thing about being see Brock has

26:30

production mixer for late nights is that we

26:32

get to do both. We get did live

26:34

mixing as well as duel necessity of the

26:36

night and as pretty rare when it comes

26:38

to broadcast I kind of cigarettes with the

26:40

guinea gang to have the skill set to

26:42

build or on pro tools and think like

26:44

I had a serve wire. Missing a live

26:46

show is a challenge but as also really

26:48

rewarding as well. Fred

26:51

less the job at Late Night with Seth

26:54

Meyers and Twenty Twenty Two when he moved

26:56

away from New York City. But sometimes he

26:58

still misses the fast pace thrill of working

27:01

on a late night show. You know it's

27:03

fun. It was entertaining, sometimes educational and just

27:05

really happy. Part of a production has made

27:07

a lot of people often than I have.

27:10

What he misses the most are the people.

27:12

I miss the production team the best. For

27:14

us to never worked with just a lovely

27:17

of a possible have the best boss and

27:19

Seth Meyers can have. As for a nicer.

27:21

Guy better gotta treat his team incredibly

27:23

wealth and really to care of him.

27:25

And that feeling was mutual. While the

27:28

show was being recorded, remotely says ended

27:30

an episode of Late Night with a

27:32

special message for Fred and the rest

27:34

of the sound team I about one

27:36

in six years than a cell in

27:38

the studio. That ended with one of

27:40

them saying to me, hey, we forgot

27:42

to hit record See you have to

27:45

do everything again From the beginning. Something.

27:47

That has happened multiple times, and

27:49

this addicts Fred also feels incredibly

27:51

lucky that he got to work

27:53

in New York City all those

27:55

years to write a D Train

27:57

downtown every day to get out.

28:00

That Rockefeller Center and walked through the

28:02

doors of that iconic building. One of

28:04

my dreams is always going to work

28:06

for him entertainment especially Thirty Rock. With

28:08

those three shows in the building Tonight

28:11

Show, Late Night and Snl there's no

28:13

in a place in the world like

28:15

and I will never take for granted

28:17

and I was so appreciative and so

28:19

honor to be particularly high Fresh. Produce.

28:31

The Suit Studios of De Facto

28:33

Sound find out more that De

28:35

Facto sound.com This episode has written

28:37

and produced by Daniel Seen it

28:40

was story edited by Andrew and

28:42

and Casey Everly with how crazy

28:44

it was sound designed and next

28:46

by told Reuters thanks to our

28:48

desk Fred had a mark to

28:50

learn more about his work and

28:53

to see photos of him in

28:55

his audio room at late night.

28:57

Visit audiofred.com Um Dallas Taylor Thanks

28:59

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