Do we ever sit down and think about that for some it's extremely difficult to put a roof over their head? So much of that is wrapped up in discriminatory practices and poverty. Kisa and Renee continue their conversation with Chris Lacy, Executive Director of Housing for Lutheran Social Ministries of New Jersey. We talk more about gentrification, housing affordability in America, and how to advocate for equitable housing. Also, ever wonder who is holding the fabric of America together during times like, say, this pandemic? We'll talk about that too.