Kisa and Renee continue their interview with Jason Darden, a husband, father, preacher, professor, hip-hop artist, and Army Reserves Chaplain. This episode is loaded. Jason hits on the human heart problem and the desire for power. We talk about fear in churches, if it's even possible to have a multi-ethnic church, Harding University graduate Botham Jean, gender equity, and much more. We also continue our celebration of Retired Four-Star General and former Secretary of State Colin Powell. And, maybe, just maybe, Jason dropped a few bars for us. We aren't telling though. Listen to find out.