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space i don't like the flavor
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right more way besides abroad
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or dog lover
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a brat girl i'm
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lucy i'm a hot dog but a natural
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casing girl
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pray
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it was silent as ,
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praise i'll take that as a compliment breaker
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the story of melee ninety
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, brown of am saying
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and pick this brought to you Jordan
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Brown, and has
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selected, the topic of scottish
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crimes
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we are
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Thomas. in every day
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but a brain eighty the
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martin of okay i haven't
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looked at my scottish gaelic
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duolingo in approximately
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seven months
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so that bout of mania
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has bad as yeah that
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was really intense for like a real
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on oddly long time the oh
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one last one last i'd
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say read mine
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yeah i was little it is a
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melee that at it
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not brave i have my
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and you last see this renewed so
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i think i'm enough to get back into it while
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at least will have some plane the to
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be out in the coming months
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yeah friendly than stellar what you have this
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out loud toddle that off
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i will will literally just gonna say i want
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you to order like say diet
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coke please and dallek
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i can't remember anything i cannot remember
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anything it's it's nice to ,
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through this episode yeah my
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yeah i mean i am i get back into it anyway
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as sides jordan are sandpaper
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has decided to dedicate this episode
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to their sisters last bss
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last gateway gals kendra
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ah hello kendra shout
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out amarna julia soda
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can draw every it rained whenever it's hi my
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name is your name the river
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later and drive yeah yeah
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the year for the armando lazy
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and and for what felt such
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as lazy times i get called lacey
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like a lot yeah a
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i don't get it
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lucy is the more common
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classic name
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him who knows they're both pretty common
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but they i don't know how you get those mixed up
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i mean
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amanda what is our wine
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crime pairing for scottish
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crimes slow our fans paper
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also made a year
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the recommendation to drink scotch
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oh and
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as i have
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been into causes cycle of
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his allergies or is it covered
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and i've been testing everyday and
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it is not over the moon but
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i'm not fucking drinking scotch
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i'm not fucking drinking anything today
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of i thought i would i
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am always wondering like ah
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what's the difference between scotch whisky and bob
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of us oh my god that's one of my son said yeah
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so i just have six quick
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fun fact about scotch
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okay in a that say never
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you want to be drinking scotch
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they go ahead to you i
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i don't want harper after our really at
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one time he accesses
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no it's not i don't understand
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how people can enjoy scotch i
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can't do brownlee that but yeah
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people really like it's i mean if you can train
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your policy
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you can find a lot of incredible flavor
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the nuances i just have not been able to train
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our it's not for me i like it
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in a cocktail like will i like whiskey
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and bourbon and a cocktail
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the
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no i can't drink the kerry wood street
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no no i can
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very little stray anymore anyway
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just in general i went all
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when i lived with the man's rugby team
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in college now as a lot of standing
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with all the injured players on the sidelines
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and then they were just
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if a bottle of scotch in a bravo or
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bad around the line and we would just all
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take poll says oh that
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last time i drank get straight ah
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absolutely not or ago f
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o a river up again and this
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is number one we're
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five that's can only
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be made in scotland votes like champagne that
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number two
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gotcha must be matured in
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oak casks for a minimum of
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three years and have a minimum
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the b b of forty bertha as
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a whole eggs
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are owed fire wenger hour
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yeah i've heard that some hair on your chest
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and face and seat and hey
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it has affected number three only
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three basic raw materials are used
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to make stats water
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fury old
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the east so cereals for
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bribes as a grain weed
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whatever they're using
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that number for a blended scotch
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whisky can contain over one
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hundred different scotch
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whisky although usually between two
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the and forty is what they did oh
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a lotta different set to bled then
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told me about it though if you're
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making all these different scotch
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his and then you have like left overs
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in the barrel
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man it's it's up cycling it's
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zero waste menu blend
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all these scots is scotch whiskies and
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then you make you make scotch whisky
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and you can use the remaining
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run out
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the backlash if you have a
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full member never
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that
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were you following that yeah
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i'm mad as had spurs is
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somebody scared
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these are gonna be big and and backyard
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and lead jab and seal a
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sniper to sell to sell sad
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bob and prayers ah there are
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more enjoyable
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them on the rocks thought castrate our
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just like school remaining and
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away their i assisted with
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yeah , you actually care about
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scotch and or whiskey and over that
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show listen to rhythm on the rocks and
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not us but
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anyway fixes scan
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not every a is not a pothole
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have any single malt or blended scotch
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whisky refers to the youngest
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with used to make the product so
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if you have you have whisky with those like hundred
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different then they gotta
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go with the young guess they are over sell
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it
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i guess which i think a pet a while the because
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then you could get all be sipping on certain
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that yeah i mean year
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and it's labeled as it's one ear i mean who
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knows maybe they save
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those for
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hi would have and glance i would
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imagine and fun
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facts numbers yeah
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there are over one hundred distilleries
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in scotland and every drop of scotch
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in the
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world will have come from
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one or more of them because again scotch
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has to be made his daughter
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i'm proud of not that big and her
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know like size and or populate so
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and one hundred distilleries is not
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that many to supply the
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war way of when thoughts i'm
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i'm amazed at lot of barrel
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to see very large distilleries i
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know it's wild so yeah those
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are my scotch fun facts i am not
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sites in it is an underage and lotta
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i am drinking water that daughter
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said that door and at
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there were all the were fucking
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another thought of scotch made me
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gag bernardino
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idea when it's rough
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stuff it's interesting
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saw there's that that was fun yeah
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yeah admires right
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well more power
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background and maybe say
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got us crime no
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say oh i gotta get something hold
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on
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edit all that a jar of global
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this is your final
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say the
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i'm so sorry i forgot the name of the person
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who sent it to the that i think i
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think that they didn't know how big my
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star of bones is which
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is like a small ish size
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mason jar full of small
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goat tailbone the
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beautiful less that are thank you so much for
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this i was in shock when i received
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listen the mail oh god apparently
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went to a goat farm like a ghost the
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milk and meat farm or something
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and she asked
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the farmer if there were any bones
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lying around they all got my
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, podcast set a
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whole nother we're about this this
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a miserable jar oh my god
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this outfit monthly and listener
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oh it oh oh at least
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ten inches tall as tall
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doll houses like to
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be yeah i'll read a show
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there it on his shoulder it's
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not often referred to her
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i know my god there is a cricket
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or cry put machine
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right crafting machine
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and made whether it's so to
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shake your goat bones on the job
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now my god i
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the impact of yeah pick with
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a dollar for reference inside
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yes , they'll face
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with the egg so no thanks
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so here we go of
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oh okay that while
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he lay as
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the way to get offended
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primitive save weight i love
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is i love it to set up
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a remedy a mess and either way i
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still have their notes but it's in a separate
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pile and sorry
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okay i have it somewhere anyways
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know say okay so this is an encyclopedia
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britannica caitlyn the
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most northerly of the for parts of the
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united kingdom occupying about
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one third or occupy is about one
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third of the island of great britain and
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first fall i guess i don't know the
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difference taken that he cited kingdom and
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great britain five things
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that only difference is that the united kingdom
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includes northern ireland
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which is on a separate
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islands
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the the so great britain
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is england scotland
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in ireland no
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ireland has it's own country
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great britain a
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while yeah great britain
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i believe is the england
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scotland and wales
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then the uk is england scotland wales
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and northern ireland i say
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well google it
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later there's no
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way to now
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illinois complicated in my mind
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i'd whatever i'm an idiot okay
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the name scotland derives from the latin
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scotia land of the scots
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at my over scotia yeah
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do scotland in langley
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hi god i just got
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that led oh why did
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the blue yellow early as add
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up to new the news they
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, totally guy i love
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the sir
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so a lot of people who used to live in the
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highlands like before the eighteenth
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century started moving out of the highlands
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probably like industrial revolution they
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were just like wow there's an easier way to live
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though they were cleared off their land
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by greedy landlords who didn't want
15:45
farmer tenants anymore and they wanted
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to clear their land for like hunting
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and like sheep grazing
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and so they'll force staff force staff of poor
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people from their land and they went to canada
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and the you that's about right great
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the why my
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in england and i rarely rarely
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idea yes because press
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a purse scotland that a purse
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australia yeah and
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, nova scotia thing here we go where piecing
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together world history of course i sit
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by that actually go that yeah or
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here i remember world
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as soon i will never
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that over nova scotia the
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never cover for the
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my my scottish ancestors went
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to canada first and then they made
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their way to north dakota
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and then minnesota okay
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is a calculator celtic calculator
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celtic celtic just the basketball t
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i correct yes or as a baseball
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as basket basketball i have been pretty
16:45
sir it is basketball obama met
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it's boston the boston celtics
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okay so it's celtic so this is that's
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where a celtic people from ireland who settled
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on the west coast of great britain in
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about the fifth century ce
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the name caledonia has often been
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applied to scotland especially oh no
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a tree freedonia i wish
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though caledonia is derived
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from caledonia color don't
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i which is the roman name
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of a tried in the northern part of what is
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now scotland my name's
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going on okay
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i just thought this was really really cool gets
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in terms of like the landscape and
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like the early people glacier
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activity prior to the mesolithic
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period has destroyed evidence of human
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activity in the area there
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may have been people around of super
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fucking long time ago but and believe
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that the first post glacial groups
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of hunter gatherers arrived in scotland
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around twelve thousand eight hundred years
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ago ah
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feels like yesterday
17:50
the time scotland was covered in forests
17:53
are they had more bod land and
17:55
the main form of transportation was by
17:57
water mary
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and
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the ball do they have like the news and
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stuff yeah definitely
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february began building the first known permanent
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houses on scottish soil around ninety
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five hundred years ago and the first
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villages around six thousand years ago
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the northern and western isles a lack
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of trees resulted in structure is being built
18:19
from local stone and many structures
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burial and ritual sites are still preserved
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today
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this is the part that gives me goosebumps
18:28
this is the main reason i now want to go to scotland wow
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okay i the only rings on a
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oh yeah a better it's called skara
18:35
brae or scare a brave man
18:37
deeply everybody plays is
18:39
a neolithic complex that dates
18:41
back to around three thousand one hundred
18:43
and eighty bc he making it
18:45
older than stonehenge and of the great
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pyramid
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well leave go to the dry this
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will be on the blog i have i think for
18:53
pictures of this area
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oh cool you're looking at it
18:59
as now inside
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oh c'mon man the rest of my
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know basically
19:05
like they like gao gao
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foundations or then felt like stone
19:11
cool al all it's
19:13
all the luck in compound
19:15
it's like really their have
19:17
it all their i hobbit hole
19:19
there too cozy little hobbit houses
19:21
and my god brilliant because
19:23
they are like protected from
19:25
the elements they're naturally cool
19:27
in the war month and their insulated
19:29
and warm in the old bugs as
19:31
windy as fuck them deal
19:33
with that shit notices i
19:36
want to live in one of the
19:37
right arm themselves you to sell
19:39
fucking q and then it's so cool
19:41
the one that says the interior as a lady
19:44
i set it up to look like how it looks
19:46
at the time they have like a tarp
19:48
there there must have been like some sort a roof over
19:51
it the
19:53
i don't want to camp i want to delay up and these
19:55
ah what a mile i'm on one
19:57
of these sheepskin throw ah
20:00
romeo and oh see
20:02
i am
20:04
might a little the fire at the center of
20:07
periodic porno said in one
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of the
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yeah stalled met a brave man
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he but i am thirty
20:15
, murky babes babes
20:18
my top and and are elected as
20:20
soon as sex as a
20:23
semi a whole you
20:25
sat with growth with okay
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so i went on a little bit of
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a whole about a on the highway
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all on all of a
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, out of regular cable
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rail okay
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so despite historically been one of europe's
20:49
poorest countries the people of scotland
20:51
has contributed greatly to the political
20:53
and practical series of progress
20:56
that is philosophers such as francis
20:59
hutchison adam smith and david
21:01
hume viewed in human kind
21:03
as a productive history and the pursuit
21:06
of happiness as an inalienable
21:08
rights group progressive ideal
21:10
contributed substantially to the development
21:12
of modern democracy you mom
21:15
or just like
21:16
they had it's really kind of mean
21:20
inhospitable lands they're like
21:22
a very hardy people in that to say
21:24
you know make your own way
21:27
mute of happiness you know as though
21:29
gotta read on me absolutely
21:33
scotland and england has had a bit
21:35
of a rough history with each other a
21:37
bat and ball
21:39
through us because ever seen brave
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heart which i will not be discussing william wallace
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because
21:44
the irks me i don't have unlimited
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we're saying how modulates wagner
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however the movie not at all historically
21:53
accurate that retaining
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but also fuck mel gibson the
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have a lot of cells also
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name brave heart didn't even belong to william
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wallace if the lumped like another guy
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robert the bruce yeah robert
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the bruce i don't know anything
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that you're talking about
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i'm just like ah i see
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what to say is now i have that out and
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plan
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that's really what it boils down to we don't like mel gibson
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we're not talking about william wallace okay here for
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it the a very long time scotland
22:23
had considered has considered itself
22:25
a separate countries
22:27
and it has found itself to historical
22:30
fact and legend a like in an effort
22:32
to retain national identity as
22:34
well as to the distinct dialect of english
22:36
pub scott the will get killed
22:39
that is poet whew
22:41
i am dire dire mid
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shot , it charm it
22:47
said any dire wolf physicists
22:50
humid the proclaims with little
22:53
though we have faith in scotland's
22:55
hidden coors the present stairs
22:58
but other past and future is
23:00
owners of got
23:03
it nailed it no
23:05
clue what i've heard the futures
23:07
and big that means
23:10
we have faith in in the strength
23:12
of scotland's the present might be there's
23:14
meaning england's but the past and the future
23:16
is ours oh you're one
23:18
powers powers
23:21
the most sober and both
23:23
could see them as i am
23:27
, the
23:30
baby i then he
23:32
added
23:32
oh maybe i need booze the on lock
23:34
my brain i don't have a broader throwing
23:37
our as i think maybe
23:39
that's why
23:40
it really well in high school my
23:45
only outside of your wheelhouse but when
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i support this support this to air
23:50
about the as amanda once i get
23:52
to my son saxelby reengage
23:55
i wanna see em i was murphy
23:57
bracelet said and see
24:00
i got some weird shit come in your where i was in
24:02
the to do and i should be and of in
24:06
all your players every hundred years
24:10
oh you're like this
24:11
there is a three hundred and thirty six pounds
24:14
sandstone iraq which is called
24:16
the stone of skull win the lotto
24:18
know
24:19
who and aka the student
24:21
of destiny simple wooden
24:23
with has a muted scheme which is a
24:25
long associated with the crowning of scottish
24:27
king i tend to have legend says
24:30
that at once had a plaque on it's that translated
24:32
to unless the states
24:34
before t grown the end
24:37
up for profit voice the same
24:39
whereas found this sacred
24:41
stews in the south
24:45
, mississippi incredible
24:48
incredible though the stewed of school
24:51
was ill and in and and
24:53
twelve ninety six by the english
24:55
and taken to england where it was placed in
24:57
westminster abbey under the coronation
25:00
chair said now we're
25:02
pissed about that for hundreds
25:05
of years back said he
25:07
had no take our student so that
25:09
the soon as you land on it
25:11
as well as and
25:14
twelve ninety six and on christmas
25:16
day and nineteen fifties
25:19
a group of scottish nationalists
25:21
took it back took scotland they broke
25:23
in and stole it
25:24
when capture the flag is
25:27
correct
25:27
it was it was like on air that the throne
25:30
that they're like a movie about
25:32
it about it know how accurate the movie as the let's pretend
25:34
one hundred percent and it
25:36
would like for student
25:39
they just had this plot and
25:41
they had a budget of like a hundred pounds
25:44
not like a city little car
25:46
and they literally broke into westminster
25:49
abbey and stole this
25:51
the out whenever i have
25:53
heard i lay of the have
25:55
a so minnesota soldiers
25:58
stole it's like
26:00
i'm like and west virginia or somebody
26:02
is fucking confederate flag during
26:06
that war or
26:09
, about big one one
26:11
a man for it back
26:14
of the like
26:15
decades and decades the decades
26:17
said minnesota's is like no
26:19
we're not giving a back
26:21
maybe i'd like stored underneath
26:24
like that state capital i get it on
26:26
display yeah then like
26:28
my he thought this you ah
26:32
the above i know that
26:34
said freighters flag
26:36
is nothing and you don't get
26:38
their habit of be like still
26:41
in modern day are asking for it back
26:44
as part of their like state history like
26:46
now now now is normally is
26:48
am all for returning solon
26:51
items from like museums and shit right
26:53
but sucks that confederacy not
26:55
captured confederate flag light
26:58
it on fire yeah the
27:00
him a diabetic
27:02
well that's more justifiable them
27:05
this is england just tickets
27:07
a way to be dicks because it had so much
27:09
cultural importance to them
27:11
and to put it under their own
27:14
thrown slow that i second
27:16
and that's where all the orioles england
27:19
the things in queens where crown still are
27:22
there are a nation chair a
27:25
langley the landing
27:27
of very specific method yeah yeah
27:29
so this group of scottish nationalists
27:32
took it back to scotland but then the
27:34
group but british government really so
27:36
let and brought it back to the abbey
27:38
since the necessities
27:40
finally and ninety ninety six exactly
27:43
seven hundred years after it was first
27:46
stolen from scotland this
27:48
dude was returned to
27:49
barrett of this day and number of
27:52
edinburgh
27:54
that about wasn't enough of a when scotland
27:56
elected it's own goddamn parliament
27:58
in nineteen ninety nine
28:00
in which was the first time it had power
28:02
over it's own affairs since seventeen
28:04
oh seven when it was merged with england to
28:06
form the united kingdom politics
28:10
and i think i think it was returned
28:12
to edinburgh
28:13
there are some feel were like the
28:15
next like every time the english king
28:18
or queen is newly
28:20
around they have to like
28:22
find it act they are they have to legal
28:24
lend it back to england for the
28:26
coronation and then it goes back to scotland
28:28
like the family car yeah
28:31
the down dharma within
28:33
it's really the heavy and it's really just
28:36
a rectangular rock is assume
28:39
yeah yeah okay well
28:41
you do you it
28:43
through new junior so
28:45
normally as you know i like to make fun of
28:47
the flag of whatever
28:49
the area we're talking about but there isn't
28:51
really much to write home about
28:54
mm not lend flag it's actually fairly
28:56
tasteful as such
28:58
why x shaped cross against
29:00
blue and my favorite part
29:03
is that there is no official mandate
29:05
for what shade of blue with says defined
29:07
as as your
29:09
compared to like a navy blue summer like
29:11
a robin's egg blue soon
29:13
they're just kind of nice whatever gets
29:15
better with your power exactly
29:17
love that sarah brown director
29:20
and less freedom rand
29:22
and your skin sound your hair color your eye
29:25
color which will also get to
29:27
the design of the flag is also known as
29:29
he sell tier or st andrews cross
29:31
because it's believe that st andrew was
29:33
martyred via crucis action
29:37
okay i'm anna you can plug back and now here are
29:39
some fun facts about muslims and
29:41
that they've got a lot of reimer in saskatoon
29:44
i know i know isn't
29:47
lots of fun facts about scotland i was really
29:49
impressed so that when has three
29:51
official languages the first is
29:53
english go figure the
29:55
second is scott the
29:57
third is dalek scottish ball
30:00
garlic bread so english is self explanatory
30:02
scots is an indigenous language of scotland
30:05
sought to the an ancient variety of english
30:08
and scottish spoken by about one point
30:10
five million people in scotland cool
30:13
and lingo i
30:16
think that's where we get the like classic
30:18
scottish
30:19
words that we think of like we and
30:22
la c and yeah all
30:24
that shit yeah that smackdown
30:28
and now i guess spoken by only about
30:30
eighty seven thousand people plus canyon
30:32
yeah which is why it's so important by kenyan
30:35
learned because without a take the world
30:37
by storm hands hours and
30:39
hours learning it to my
30:41
armor it's fun and i like it
30:43
okay i'm in marion say ten
30:46
thousand hours warning scholars
30:48
go with know i look at the ground and okay
30:50
when justified us as yet
30:52
scares zach has said like we wanna
30:54
do a big family trip to scotland
30:56
i'm at some point like my
30:59
poets and had family
31:00
my zach has said that we
31:02
he refuses to go unless
31:05
i can a
31:07
gallic speaking died at only
31:09
speak to the guide and gallic the entire
31:12
time we're on the train
31:13
oh my god
31:16
well as , matter
31:19
of or i get the word log those hours
31:21
or that's my goal goal
31:23
law this this or term goals become
31:25
fluent know like this on
31:28
alexander graham bell was from scotland
31:31
know wage our way that
31:33
suddenly alec scotland is
31:35
home to the tallest waterfall in britain
31:37
and it's name landed britain nail this
31:40
ah wow are louis know
31:43
i don't know as a while
31:45
a lawyer nailed boy
31:48
in the and guess a loincloth
31:50
my life
31:53
if nobody on the way they will do i know
31:56
i know or could be a lawyer
31:58
either
32:00
that sounded exactly the say are like
32:02
, there a difference as that's
32:05
waterfall that's woolly and is six
32:08
hundred and fifty eight feet tall
32:10
which is three times the height of niagara falls
32:13
now based
32:15
on the radio yeah
32:18
backer him that fucker
32:21
we want suckers the scottish highlands
32:23
are also home to some of the towers speaks
32:25
in the uk very misty very
32:28
pretty right balance
32:30
sheet that went out a lot of farmers
32:32
the anymore the highlands are also with
32:34
a lot where loch ness is and
32:36
therefore home to the last mass monster
32:40
and speaking of which there is another lock
32:42
monster and lot more
32:44
are and her name is more
32:46
ag
32:48
you'd have our appear to have such
32:50
saddening cities see is described
32:53
as brown really
32:57
at thirty feet long
32:59
three homes on her back and a snake
33:01
like head slowly and
33:03
she's grey grey sees brown
33:06
says he was a snake face and
33:11
i love her i know more
33:13
and
33:15
lot more a lousy might be dead
33:17
it's possible that she was shot to death
33:19
in nineteen sixty nine by to fisherman
33:21
who claimed to have been attacked by her in
33:23
their boat the true monsters
33:26
of the law and go
33:28
plan number six
33:29
the gun control lot
33:32
more are is the seventies deepest
33:35
lake in the world so this later
33:39
added the deepest part of a little over a thousand
33:41
feet deep dale of her bones
33:43
are down there there's no way
33:45
to excavate i know
33:47
what
33:49
see they earn a garage
33:52
roof that
33:54
okay so back to what amanda was saying
33:56
scottish whiskey spelled
33:59
with out the he god
34:01
is with he is the same thing as stats and
34:03
whiskey making dates back to at
34:05
least fourteen ninety five
34:08
when it was called aqua viva la
34:10
vida bayer
34:13
that that scottish gaelic for
34:15
whiskey or water of life blue sky
34:18
is water and bear is like
34:20
okay who stay out
34:22
it's all coming back where we
34:25
go every girl your fluids friends
34:28
are it amanda this amanda this moment
34:29
the official animal of scotland is the
34:32
unicorn
34:35
oh that is good to eat ah
34:38
that is rule god says a photo
34:40
on the drive other unicorn and gacy the referee
34:43
morgan that body like
34:46
see if bony
34:48
at about one has approximately seven
34:50
hundred and ninety islands six
34:52
hundred and sixty of which are on in
34:55
habit to this is is is that i thought you were it as a
34:57
seven hundred and ninety you're a car
34:59
and and i was like steve rob
35:01
could be agreed six
35:05
hundred and sixty these islands or uninhabited
35:07
by anyone other than unicorns oh
35:09
i love a yeah edinburgh was
35:11
the first version the world to have it's on fire
35:13
brigade oh
35:17
there are over six hundred square miles of
35:19
freshwater lakes in scotland but
35:21
like big deal minnesota has about
35:23
four thousand six hundred yet socket
35:26
scotland minnesota gave
35:28
would leave the size of we had we had
35:31
glacial activity the new stuff and
35:33
just scotland the unicorn
35:35
horn and showbiz
35:37
i don't think we have many lives that are over thousand
35:39
feet deep south sell movie
35:42
about that yeah we're talking about that on
35:44
it enough quality there's
35:47
not down to earth
35:50
or no nerve endings after a certain point anyway
35:52
oh my god
35:53
a lot of that i get uncomfortable
36:00
it by being totally on and that
36:02
, a thing as too vague
36:04
to to glazer of i
36:06
don't like cervical play
36:09
now i don't
36:11
enjoy bottoming out now
36:15
a phrase i was in later
36:17
my cervical plug alone
36:19
yamaha membrane
36:22
, going to simulate me
36:24
into having my period after
36:27
your given be cray the
36:30
the third phone yeah i'm so
36:32
sorry listener i'm not
36:35
my dad ever been sorry hid my
36:37
a lot of , as
36:40
as shame is not an
36:42
emotion that i saw in the aim
36:45
know that that's it no shame in this game
36:47
my brain is capable is you've
36:50
got enough going on that same
36:52
as on the backburner lcr the
36:54
yeah and i yeah thriving ah
36:57
, ah thriving
37:00
day the
37:02
no garden you might be
37:04
familiar people call it plaid
37:06
and it's not start carter
37:09
hardly door
37:11
mentioned and fifteen thirty eight
37:13
what what's tarpon you wore
37:15
showed people what clan you were from
37:18
plan has has tartan it's
37:20
seen as an icon of scotland and is used
37:22
by various countries today and in
37:24
fact japan is the world's
37:26
biggest importer of tartan
37:29
a mate oh hello kitty
37:32
has her own tartan last
37:35
my that
37:38
that partner sauce my god
37:41
the true by
37:44
a lot of the curtain stuff took off
37:46
in the victorian period when they
37:48
were like being the sole jack about
37:50
history and so then
37:53
it like extra took off
37:55
and so and lot of like
37:56
families and smaller clans that
37:58
historically
38:00
never actually had a tartan were
38:02
like bullshit we gotta get our own tartan
38:06
yeah
38:07
when i was in bringing do in our family
38:10
was in blue expensive
38:13
to live on the little ill
38:15
little put hello kitty start non the dry
38:18
lot scotland has the highest proportion
38:21
of redhead
38:23
when you're isn't surprising and they are endangered
38:25
that
38:27
that also are more likely to have
38:29
blue eyes and the rest of europe
38:31
the south east settled outland has the highest
38:33
proportion of blue eyed residents in the
38:36
world at fifty seven percent
38:39
and as go on the
38:41
blue eyed baby the
38:43
little baby the rain thought was invented
38:46
in scotland by a man named charles macintosh
38:48
who was born in glasgow play
38:51
in the uk they call it a mac yeah
38:53
the only return of the back
38:56
ah so good they call raincoat
38:58
mac the i'm metal houses
39:01
it now
39:02
okay amanda you're like this actual
39:04
o s is another word i don't know
39:06
how to pronounce the make make the
39:09
loo or beach hedge
39:11
which is four miles south of blair
39:13
gory is the longest hedge
39:15
in britain and the highest of
39:17
it's kind in the world mm
39:21
biden the most british fast
39:23
of all the iowa as have sold
39:25
all his head's whoa
39:28
sit on my god for
39:30
, and the head with
39:33
is a disaster has set
39:35
the world's biggest hedge don't
39:37
get as he is so this is so blow
39:40
it's recognized by the guinness book of world
39:42
records as the highest heads in the world
39:45
mark great privacy it was
39:47
planned i'm seventeen forty five
39:50
and is one third of a mile long
39:52
and are hundred feet high
39:55
seas as if only the
39:58
barber he built the pool for
40:00
and what am i gag episode as
40:03
, is yeah tech not the heads technology
40:06
lot obviously wasn't always this tall
40:08
it's thought that the men who planted at were
40:10
called in were called to say
40:12
in the jacobite rub
40:15
rebellion to kobe right
40:17
jacobite
40:19
whilst and european history am
40:21
and none of them returned alive so in
40:23
tribute the trees were allowed to grow
40:25
and the hedge acts as a living landmark
40:28
to them the had you cut
40:30
and remembered every ten years
40:32
a complex operation that takes for
40:34
men approximately six weeks
40:37
to complete while
40:39
quite a jab
40:42
okay edinburgh castle sits on a
40:44
volcanic plug
40:46
you know you and i applaud wow
40:48
as or gotten into all the
40:50
plug the volcanic gloves
40:53
honestly
40:55
oh my god this is so weird the shortest
40:57
commercial flight in the world is from
40:59
westray to papa westray
41:02
in orkney
41:03
there are approximately one point five
41:05
miles long and six forty seven seconds
41:08
why bother ,
41:11
maybe can slide their islands the
41:13
sea run sometimes
41:15
run know the or a
41:17
canary jumper i is islands
41:19
a thing
41:21
got it okay thirty seven
41:23
seconds remember
41:25
i now imagine the
41:27
fuel yeah
41:30
that's i
41:33
landis echo inside a man made structure
41:35
was recorded in incheon
41:38
, tunnels which is a world
41:40
war two fuel storage facility near
41:42
invergordon and
41:44
ross shire i
41:46
feel like such as
41:49
up with that said
41:51
this isn't just as it is the
41:53
apprehensive it don't burn
41:57
go every syllable see this
41:59
is
42:00
the like , where
42:02
are you access her
42:05
her gordon and
42:07
harass share so
42:12
they fired a gun down into these
42:14
tunnels and recorded and hundred and twelve
42:16
second echo we're
42:19
move i know it's really eerie
42:21
okay my last fact and the thing that makes the
42:23
most wanna go to scotland
42:26
the small town of bonnie bridge has more than
42:28
three hundred sightings of unidentified
42:30
flying objects reported every year
42:32
of whoa i can get the
42:34
us so sightings capital of the
42:37
world were no
42:39
yeah i have to go i gotta
42:41
go
42:42
i gotta go trying to get back to scour
42:44
other day i gotta go for the brave
42:46
for the your so's and the haggis
42:48
because apparently it's not that bad i
42:51
would totally dry haggis
42:54
by the family up rafael
42:57
yeah rafael yeah guess similar
42:59
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45:21
the just you're going to have the like tell
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as that it all waiting for me and it's a lot
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but like discarded it it
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, it up really say
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it isn't
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very famous case and scotland that i
47:44
had never heard of
47:46
an american submarines also same
47:48
as they hadn't heard of reddit
47:54
arlene it fraser was
47:56
a thirty three year old mother of two
47:59
who vanished from her home in elgin
48:01
scotland on the morning of
48:03
april twenty eighth ninety ninety eight
48:06
normally
48:08
i only do jog roughead
48:11
the england
48:13
my best case is sad and i had
48:15
to lighten it somehow i have saved
48:19
it also there's some amazing place names
48:21
near elgin so what the hell
48:24
robert l again or elgin negotiate
48:27
elgin is situated north of
48:29
fog why
48:31
and while he was
48:34
and maggie not gator
48:37
the guy you
48:39
know gator maggie knock at
48:41
her
48:43
ah mad you know the tire don't i
48:45
could or till you try or is
48:47
it is due south of los a
48:49
mouse move fast
48:53
southeast of cummings town
48:55
and doofus yeah
48:57
to
48:59
the north west of slackers
49:02
depaul and or to clash
49:05
stem dip already
49:07
plus she's a modern
49:09
a where hey
49:12
a
49:13
it's your cats of the order clash
49:17
today's all of course was really hard
49:19
our matter what
49:20
or no i haven't either
49:23
, fire with either i was making
49:25
the job of oh well
49:28
for us
49:29
a quick break to do that the subway
49:32
the ever ever ever ever ever ever i'll get back
49:35
to arlene so she
49:37
was last seen
49:39
has she waved goodbye to her two children
49:41
son jamie and daughter natalie the
49:44
doorway as they left the house for school
49:47
and was reported missing after
49:49
a friend arrives at her home
49:52
for a planned lunch stay around noon
49:54
that day and the friend found the house
49:57
empty hate that that's like one of
49:59
my biggest fear i
50:01
don't want to discover
50:03
you know how to and thirty the house
50:06
freaked me out i don't i just want to
50:08
go to lunch and not have to worry that
50:10
you've disappear as much as
50:13
if i showed up at one of your houses
50:15
he signed it empty i would
50:17
i would search it i'd want to discover you
50:19
have go
50:21
well i don't think a friend got in the
50:23
have maybe she did maybe they didn't lock the doors
50:25
of rural scotland
50:27
and ninety ninety eight so maybe she did go inside
50:30
i don't know but it was suspicious that they have this
50:32
lunch state and arlene in
50:35
contractor and wasn't there no
50:38
friend reports her missing there's
50:41
a massive
50:42
police investigation that takes
50:44
place following her disappearance it
50:47
is turns out that no witnesses
50:49
nobody had seen anything at all
50:51
suspicious that morning the
50:54
like way of to her kids as they went to school
50:56
and then by noon she was done
50:58
so neighbors
51:00
quickly organized search parties
51:03
and plastered posters around elgin
51:06
but all of this was to no avail police
51:08
did have one potential suspects
51:10
so and can you guess who that might be
51:13
the her hand and have spent
51:16
eight said at nan fraser
51:19
they know so that was
51:21
extremely involved in the organization
51:24
of these search parties and
51:26
like efforts to bring awareness to her
51:28
disappearance classes
51:31
claire from and that way but also
51:34
the prime at that all this was going on
51:36
amanda just did the order of well as
51:42
i am caption under these caves
51:44
and she is really good working on
51:46
the claw yeah i
51:51
campaigns and the without doing something
51:53
out
51:54
my dunno i'm of and best feels i'm
51:56
running k so
51:58
he's involved in the search these and all
52:00
this shit but what people
52:02
many people didn't know initially
52:05
was that as the time that he's doing
52:07
this he was actually out
52:09
on bail
52:11
for attempted murder oh
52:13
good after his brutal
52:15
attempt to strangle arlene to
52:18
death in a fryer incident
52:20
we'd already tried to kill his wife at least
52:23
once and opening nobody fucking
52:25
piece to this together love that
52:27
wasn't like very public knowledge in
52:29
elgin obviously the police know
52:31
like can't he's out on bail and they can
52:34
prevent him from taking part in the search
52:36
parties
52:37
like a lot of the neighbors and friends
52:39
and stuff i didn't know
52:42
and so they think he's the grieving husband
52:45
right helping i hate
52:47
him sucked up
52:49
the mad fraser came so close to
52:51
succeeding in this first murder
52:53
attempts that as the
52:55
police department would later revealed
52:57
i mean was the only who
52:59
likes live system
53:01
they had ever sense to a forensic
53:04
pathologists for examination
53:06
after the attack
53:08
anyway so when he tried to kill her the
53:10
first time
53:11
yeah it wasn't just like take pictures of her
53:14
bruises you know like she survival
53:16
yeah no i'm just like the standard you
53:19
know take photos of her for
53:21
evidence they were like
53:23
so violent we need further
53:25
while it was so she was so
53:28
close to death from the strangulation
53:31
that they sent her to a forensic
53:33
pathologists the could
53:35
like really
53:37
ma'am and in deaths like how close
53:39
she came wow
53:42
that because the oil that so later
53:44
examining a corpse that had been strangle oh
53:46
my god oh now
53:50
now the app
53:53
ah so
53:54
i'm at a doctor place yeah i
53:56
year so that attack occurred
53:59
in a march of ninety ninety
54:01
eight
54:02
then immediately after arlene was released
54:05
from the hospital she initiated divorce
54:07
proceedings against now and
54:09
he was out on bail but not
54:11
living in the home with her
54:13
the her at the time of her disappearance that
54:16
is also why he wasn't the
54:18
one
54:20
you are report her missing it was the friends
54:22
sure he also stood to lose
54:24
as much as two hundred and fifty thousand pounds
54:27
in a potential divorce settlements as
54:29
well as custody of the couples two
54:31
children because like the tried
54:34
to fucking murder her their their motives
54:36
and so if she divorces him
54:39
he that going to get much yeah i'm
54:41
aussie his kids again potentially
54:44
yeah yeah that's that's that's
54:46
a pretty compelling motive
54:48
despite having a clear motive to murder his
54:50
life as well as having very recently
54:52
already fucking attempted to do so
54:55
phrase or was upon being questioned by the
54:57
police
54:58
dismissed as a suspect
55:00
my third her disappearance
55:03
because they sound his alibi
55:05
convincing
55:08
so he worked as a fruit and veggie
55:10
salesmen oh
55:13
any welfare yeah and he had been
55:15
out completing his regular route that morning
55:17
alongside a coworker so like he
55:20
did have an alibi but that
55:22
doesn't mean that he's not wow
55:25
why i you know right the although
55:27
initially treated as a missing persons case
55:30
once month had gone by with like
55:32
no trace of arlene the
55:34
police began speaking of the case indifferent
55:37
the i'm
55:39
presuming her to be dead now yeah when
55:42
i there's actually
55:44
no physical evidence like there's no blood
55:47
there's no you know he i think
55:49
in the us in order to presume someone
55:51
dad like more time as to go by
55:53
or there has to be like
55:55
in handling of a significant blood loss or something
55:58
i think it's like ten years with
56:00
out finding them right
56:02
or yeah my pace
56:05
and i guess it must be different there
56:08
i think because he had tried to murder
56:10
her previously they
56:13
were able to kind of job that
56:15
conclusion sooner i also
56:17
don't know what the situation is obviously
56:20
in scotland but
56:21
the in the us say
56:23
god forbid the child or
56:26
a family member goes missing i
56:28
think you can petition to have them declared
56:30
legally dead after like seven years
56:32
i say i think even earlier than that
56:34
and that it's like automated i
56:36
thought it was ten at
56:39
like seven to ten years i don't look this up i think
56:41
you can practice the for and it's probably
56:43
more like five the year
56:45
it like a significant amount of time what it was
56:47
just a few months but i think so i
56:50
think given the right the inclusion
56:54
when i mean
56:55
the we've seen entire cases hinge on circumstantial
56:58
evidence zooming were giving
57:00
police the benefit of the doubt
57:02
or assuming that they are
57:05
the gently working on this case they
57:07
may have had reason leave beyond
57:09
our own speculation
57:11
that she was there for we're gonna get to a few
57:13
more sketchy things ogre so
57:15
the senior detective in the case detective
57:17
chief inspector peter simpson
57:20
they did in an interview that quote the only
57:22
conclusion that still left open to has
57:25
which i firmly believe has happened is
57:27
that something criminal has taken place here
57:29
and that arlene has been the victim of a crime
57:32
i am of the opinion that she said
57:34
there's no indication that she's living somewhere
57:36
else says like didn't
57:39
pack didn't pack she didn't get her sit with her
57:41
when when it or to nice
57:44
life when what time
57:46
make ninety ninety eight
57:47
okay throw their there would be credit cards
57:50
there would have ways to find earlier than
57:52
that he has poured she'd have a driver's license
57:54
saying accounted for me at and yeah that
57:56
makes sense of and there's just nothing probably
57:59
no cell phone in out there sis
58:01
there are other ways to track at that
58:03
time right
58:04
the the investigation would become the
58:06
largest and most comprehensive
58:09
the resumption of gas investigation
58:11
ever carried out by scottish believe
58:13
wow
58:14
however the shift from speaking
58:17
about marlene from like missing
58:19
to presumed dead
58:21
most people agreed i said except
58:24
for i wonder one
58:26
very vocal critic
58:28
her husband nat fraser
58:31
who insisted from the beginning
58:33
that she had left of her own accord
58:36
the even know how could he possibly
58:38
know that right
58:42
yeah
58:43
making himself way more sauce
58:45
yes can't help themselves now
58:48
he tried to backup this story was evidence
58:51
that orleans friends and family found extremely
58:53
dubious so for example
58:56
soon after she disappeared a hypodermic
58:58
syringe was found underneath
59:01
their bed her
59:03
and matt explained it to loved
59:05
ones that like arlene was struggling
59:08
with judged you thought okay beds
59:10
know and everybody was like
59:12
ah i see is not like
59:15
that urinary and
59:18
they're ban absolutely no history
59:20
of that or a sign of that no
59:23
slack off yeah
59:25
just so stupid he
59:27
, claimed that arlene had been having affairs
59:29
with other men as something that everybody
59:32
also didn't believe and according
59:34
to one source close all
59:36
part of his strategy to create this
59:38
illusion she'd gone missing that was that
59:40
she had this dark side side
59:43
her family never bought into that she
59:45
was fundamentally a good mother from the get
59:48
go and they knew that and she has a ten
59:50
year old and a five year old yeah which
59:52
like people with kids can struggle with seventy
59:54
percent of are all kinds of stuff but
59:57
see there's no history
1:00:00
yeah he gets his outta nowhere say oh
1:00:02
jake as she does error went on
1:00:04
one needle yeah that can save
1:00:07
his find a life partner the up and somebody
1:00:09
saw from the boy as allow
1:00:11
my g
1:00:13
in fact despite mats airtight
1:00:15
alibi police had also been growing more
1:00:17
and more suspicious of him due to his other
1:00:19
behavior throughout the investigation
1:00:21
so one of the first incidents that raised
1:00:24
suspicions had to do with our leans
1:00:26
wedding ring oh
1:00:29
her family had found them hanging on a peg
1:00:31
above the bathroom sink nine
1:00:33
days after arlene disappeared
1:00:36
that police had photographed
1:00:38
and videoed the house in the days
1:00:40
after the disappearance new and
1:00:42
the and the rings had not been
1:00:44
there before they are he had
1:00:46
him he pocketed those fuckers so they
1:00:48
suspected nat of placing them
1:00:50
back in the house to make it look like
1:00:53
arlene had taken them off before like fleeing
1:00:55
the marriage and abandoning her cat yeah
1:00:58
i don't know if you're gonna do that you'd pawn
1:01:01
them job he is an hour
1:01:03
they're not smart pay that fuck
1:01:06
and train fare to get outta dad's
1:01:08
right
1:01:09
when we bomb when let him take money
1:01:11
from on bought know this
1:01:14
is also really fuckin creepy
1:01:17
arlene father would also inform
1:01:19
investigators that soon after his daughter's
1:01:21
disappearance matt ominously
1:01:23
told him that close the
1:01:25
barons will soon forget their mother
1:01:28
oh by god meaning
1:01:30
like the children the barons yellow
1:01:33
and air and seen baron said and seen bairns
1:01:36
oh no oh that's so
1:01:38
fucking sad
1:01:41
i'm like no they won't remember
1:01:43
, shitting me now
1:01:49
the pool when i forget their fucking
1:01:51
mother sign of justify
1:01:53
what he did to himself
1:01:55
yeah recycle police also became
1:01:57
suspicious of nats habit of showing
1:01:59
up
1:02:00
the police station every few days
1:02:02
displaying what they came to believe was
1:02:04
so concern or
1:02:06
at least a level of concern that didn't make
1:02:08
sense for a man who claims you also
1:02:11
be convinced that his wife left of her own
1:02:13
free will so
1:02:15
it's like a which is it or you yes
1:02:17
sure that she laughed and is still alive
1:02:20
and assign or
1:02:22
are you so worried that you have to show
1:02:25
up seeing if there's any new info
1:02:27
every three days he
1:02:30
, to know what they know know
1:02:32
wants to say clause class
1:02:35
he thinks he's out
1:02:36
smarting them and he's really fucking not
1:02:39
i assume
1:02:41
that with math alibi and no concrete
1:02:43
evidence against him basically no physical
1:02:45
evidence at all may believe
1:02:47
that they may never be able to prove that
1:02:49
he was involved in her disappearance no
1:02:53
if you don't breathe we
1:02:55
will get to it oh god
1:02:57
right behind you he lands old
1:03:00
party do now lives in minneapolis
1:03:02
oh god oh my god i
1:03:04
can't
1:03:05
the big breakthrough in the case actually
1:03:07
came from looking into one of nat fraser's
1:03:10
close buddies police
1:03:13
discovered that shortly before arlene's
1:03:15
disappearance his friend hester
1:03:18
dick
1:03:19
rodney live on my
1:03:21
god of hacker nerd
1:03:27
the are broadly ends up
1:03:30
had
1:03:30
purchase a second hand ford fiesta
1:03:33
in what seemed to be strange circumstances
1:03:36
the like hector had his own car
1:03:39
he had no need for this
1:03:41
the shitty secondhand ford fiesta
1:03:43
that i'm assuming he bought in cash the
1:03:47
the mechanics was sold dick
1:03:49
the car told police that he had been
1:03:51
paid an extra fifty pound in
1:03:53
exchange for quote remaining
1:03:55
quiet about the sale which like
1:03:58
obviously he later did not honor
1:04:00
okay so cops of get a
1:04:02
load of ale say it's
1:04:04
, i already have
1:04:07
that fifty pounds and you didn't maiden
1:04:09
name of really sketchy as i gotta
1:04:11
remember as us
1:04:13
and would be money would thanked me for
1:04:15
life by discretion
1:04:18
life am going to help people
1:04:20
so far people fast that
1:04:22
no wonder how twitter
1:04:23
oh yeah i'm good everyone's
1:04:25
got a know never late in the
1:04:27
air yeah
1:04:29
eighty eight the ass would have forgotten this
1:04:31
ever happened except for now you have
1:04:34
ended in my brain
1:04:35
grab rated i know or memory
1:04:38
even fucking idiot
1:04:41
the next day , guys back
1:04:43
for something and as such as such
1:04:46
i appreciate your your progressive era saying
1:04:48
supply at at mercy
1:04:50
on your trap your trap
1:04:53
at lambeau that it's
1:04:55
all a throw that certainly presenters
1:04:57
his ideas and presenters number
1:04:59
of and you mobile plan
1:05:03
of do with didn't
1:05:05
do it was
1:05:08
it so hector deck
1:05:10
claim that a i had
1:05:12
else claimed that he been asked by matt
1:05:15
to find a new car for arlene
1:05:17
to dry as oh
1:05:19
sure after the families
1:05:21
previous car had been sound
1:05:24
ports outside of their home
1:05:26
a few weeks before the
1:05:29
opposite side of the circumstances surrounding
1:05:31
which are unclear but draw your own conclusions
1:05:34
yeah she's sucking lunatic
1:05:36
abusive bastard and he
1:05:38
let her car on fire to scare her
1:05:42
guarantee it yeah like right around
1:05:44
the time that he tried to strangle her to death
1:05:47
the you enter my eyes and guy the
1:05:50
and also you the worst
1:05:52
thing you
1:05:54
why would you be buying her a new car
1:05:56
and by why can't you buy it you have to have your friend
1:05:58
by it and
1:06:00
the haven't buy it in cash and as
1:06:02
for discussion we have it
1:06:04
all tracks yeah i
1:06:06
know this makes perfect sense
1:06:09
however police were unable to trace what
1:06:11
happened to the ford fiesta a leading
1:06:13
them to believe that it had been used in arlene's
1:06:15
disappearance
1:06:17
the theory became that even if not fraser
1:06:19
had and sacks been at work that day he
1:06:21
must have had an accomplice or accomplices
1:06:24
and was involved
1:06:26
finally in april of two thousand
1:06:28
two the for years
1:06:31
later after disappearing
1:06:33
that phrase or was charged with her murder
1:06:35
along with his friend hector deck
1:06:38
and a third man named glenn lucas
1:06:41
as interim four years
1:06:44
that had serve eighteen months in jail
1:06:46
for the first murder
1:06:48
attempts okay
1:06:50
what have you been keen months somehow
1:06:53
it had been reduced to an assault charge and
1:06:55
probably that's because he was able
1:06:57
to plead a little bit and arlene wasn't
1:07:00
dead right couldn't speak for
1:07:02
herself right my grandmother
1:07:04
with their loss and foster all of this shit
1:07:06
together they they adjust
1:07:08
it was it was technically circumstantial
1:07:12
right without the actual like hard
1:07:14
evidence is so little i know
1:07:16
but that is still really thought i'd say that rating
1:07:18
fianna fail in a disappeared from her
1:07:20
house and like he had been living there
1:07:23
up until like
1:07:24
that month long a plane said
1:07:26
ah yes yeah in a to be everywhere
1:07:28
and and wouldn't matter and and
1:07:30
they couldn't find they car where her be
1:07:32
nobody was probably placed in and
1:07:35
they couldn't find her body of or
1:07:37
a murder weapon said if
1:07:39
there even was one is eleven just his hands
1:07:42
right the though
1:07:45
though however when the
1:07:47
murder case for that this presumed
1:07:50
murder came to trial
1:07:52
the prosecution announced that they would not be
1:07:54
proceeding with charges against hector
1:07:56
deck or glenn luke
1:07:59
there
1:08:00
instead would be appearing as a witness for
1:08:02
the prosecution know who
1:08:06
left , you deck his lap
1:08:09
saying like a teenager it takes
1:08:11
for us well
1:08:17
so that fraser would now face fraser charge
1:08:19
of murder quote with others
1:08:21
unknown as a dick slips
1:08:23
but in a way that like did
1:08:25
and incest right
1:08:28
you actually being
1:08:29
part of killing her answer
1:08:32
then they were like okay nat fraser must have had have
1:08:34
different a topless that we won't name them
1:08:36
because we all fucking know it was
1:08:38
well we need the since out and who
1:08:40
wrecked so after after
1:08:43
in the trials again fraser's defense team
1:08:45
and opportunity to interview the
1:08:47
flip and also lucas the
1:08:49
proceedings resume and hector deck of the
1:08:51
stands he admitted to burning
1:08:54
and crushing the ford fiesta
1:08:56
out of fear that it might link him
1:08:58
to orleans disappearance uh-huh
1:09:01
g like
1:09:03
they did say that he had
1:09:05
put her body an ad or
1:09:07
right any never been used to transport
1:09:09
tried it fucks with the car i
1:09:12
just bought the car secretly
1:09:14
gave it to him and then later
1:09:17
displayed as for funds
1:09:19
these yeah i get it i'm
1:09:23
on a bit i've heard that
1:09:27
the opposite of that not fraser told him he'd
1:09:29
made arrangements for arlene to be killed
1:09:32
and had dispose of her body by grinding
1:09:34
it up and burying it conveniently not
1:09:36
referencing that car oh god
1:09:39
hector deck denied having any involvement
1:09:41
in orleans disappearance or murder beyond
1:09:43
purchasing and and destroying the car
1:09:46
in january of two thousand
1:09:48
two thousand snap fraser was found
1:09:50
guilty of murdering his wife eileen
1:09:53
thank god but it took fucking
1:09:55
long enough let's hook five years and
1:09:57
we're very far from done right
1:10:01
the judge in my case describes him as evil
1:10:03
before sentencing him to life in prison
1:10:05
with a recommended minimum time serves of
1:10:07
twenty five years have
1:10:09
defense team immediately announced their intention
1:10:12
to appeal they filed
1:10:14
their appeal in december of two thousand
1:10:16
and three which centered around claims that hector
1:10:19
deck and several police officers had lied
1:10:21
on the stand and that relevant evidence
1:10:23
had been withheld from the defense sorry
1:10:25
i'm like breathless second being pregnant
1:10:27
it's hard yeah okay ahead in
1:10:30
two thousand and six that phrase or was
1:10:33
released from prison
1:10:35
no law pending the
1:10:37
outcome of his appeal
1:10:39
it makes no sense if you are lots
1:10:41
of for a violent crimes i
1:10:43
guess that's how it works over there is not
1:10:45
how it works here file an appeal
1:10:48
and zen be rude go home and away
1:10:50
and have a little they came from that
1:10:53
point on earth
1:10:55
they don't get it i don't get that part
1:10:57
but after a long and drawn out legal process
1:10:59
his case ultimately went all the way to the scottish
1:11:01
supreme court which ruled in two
1:11:03
thousand and eleven
1:11:06
know that for the supreme court
1:11:08
unanimously allows the appeal
1:11:10
it remains the case to it differently constituted
1:11:12
appeal court to consider whether to grant authority for
1:11:14
a new prosecution and than any other so
1:11:17
i'm pretty sure he was out
1:11:20
from two thousand six to twenty eleven wow
1:11:23
me were trying to see if he could get
1:11:25
the appeal oh my god
1:11:27
of he kill anyone else now
1:11:30
are they not really no of that you know
1:11:33
fresh proceedings were brought against fraser
1:11:35
for arlene's murder and he went back on trial
1:11:37
in twenty go again
1:11:39
he was found guilty and this time he was sentenced
1:11:42
to a minimum of seventeen years in prison
1:11:44
during the sentencing the judge told fraser
1:11:47
close the evidence indicated that at some
1:11:49
point you arranged for someone to kill
1:11:51
your wife arlene and dispose
1:11:53
of her body that you instigated
1:11:55
in cold blood the premeditated murder
1:11:58
of your wife and mother of your children then
1:12:00
aged ten and five years in
1:12:02
bangor the murder and dispose of
1:12:05
the body must have been carried out with ruthless
1:12:07
efficiency for there's not a trace of
1:12:09
arlene fraser from that day to
1:12:11
this and her bereft family
1:12:13
continue to live with no satisfactory
1:12:15
knowledge of what happened to her remains
1:12:18
or might have to deck has
1:12:21
the press e know i
1:12:23
know i nat finally tells
1:12:26
the police were he put her body
1:12:28
and all this sub i feel like hector day
1:12:30
that as same way to say i see
1:12:33
yeah he helps he absolutely
1:12:36
so i think the bucket knows where her
1:12:38
body is fuckin done it
1:12:40
for his men and
1:12:43
so his friend could have
1:12:44
kept his alibi right and many
1:12:46
really didn't he didn't do it but he
1:12:48
planned for it rain
1:12:51
the i paid for it but he didn't actually
1:12:53
the carried out
1:12:55
fraser is still serving his sentence today
1:12:57
and orleans body has never been found ah
1:13:00
her family namely her mother
1:13:03
isabel on her sister have spoken publicly
1:13:05
in support of legislation that would not allow
1:13:07
someone infected of murder
1:13:09
to be paroled if they will not revealed
1:13:12
the location of the victim's body oh
1:13:15
what i think is interesting
1:13:18
though it might be tough if you're like
1:13:20
well after
1:13:22
emotion right there could be
1:13:25
definitely the reasonable
1:13:27
barriers to keeping that information for being
1:13:29
no are like prove and like they could say
1:13:32
it and then if he's still can't
1:13:34
find the remains way
1:13:37
what it what happens so could have
1:13:39
been wrongfully accused of murder
1:13:41
lane don't know where that they can never
1:13:43
be
1:13:43
the parole the i'm home side's
1:13:46
tricky
1:13:47
however as twenty thirteen this
1:13:49
arlene and naps daughter natalie
1:13:51
fraser so again was five years
1:13:54
old at the time of her mother's disappearance staunchly
1:13:57
believes that her father had nothing to do
1:13:59
with do
1:14:00
and places one hundred percent of the blame
1:14:03
on hector dead
1:14:05
i don't blame her whatever you gotta do to fuckin
1:14:07
survive and just it
1:14:09
would be so hard to accept that
1:14:11
your father had done that i'm
1:14:13
not saying that she's right i'm saying
1:14:15
that like that rama of that i understand
1:14:18
why is clinging to those rights hill
1:14:20
and i think her brother also as clinging to
1:14:23
that idea and i also think that can
1:14:25
confirm this i just saw article saying
1:14:27
that the
1:14:30
that that phrase or is so their dad's
1:14:32
sister their on when
1:14:35
was the one who petition the court to be
1:14:37
allowed to like raise the kids
1:14:40
so i don't know if that was granted and if they
1:14:42
were raised by
1:14:44
their father's sister that area oh
1:14:46
then they're gonna be fed
1:14:48
her more favorable yeah
1:14:50
potentially reflections
1:14:53
on the brother how their dad right
1:14:55
i know my dad's a serial killer and doesn't
1:14:59
change your opinion other know i love them
1:15:02
and another implicated at the
1:15:05
other implicated accomplice that are
1:15:07
we to so know that much about glenn lucas
1:15:09
has since died and they're just not them the
1:15:11
information about him
1:15:13
that is the case creepy
1:15:16
and i am saying saying
1:15:18
in it so service
1:15:21
really sad the
1:15:24
final act
1:15:25
yeah fuck that guy ems
1:15:28
and such hector deck saw character
1:15:30
dick right in the dick
1:15:32
they'd an idea of her the way that
1:15:34
he claims like grinding her up
1:15:36
yeah there be no sign an hour anywhere from
1:15:40
oh god is so fucked up yeah
1:15:42
oh
1:15:44
oh great she would take a quick
1:15:46
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serial killer peter manual
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i don't know this person was that it it
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in march nineteen twenty seven where he lived with
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his family until nineteen thirty two when
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are a bit of a rough childhood though from what
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i could see family seemed like normal
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pretty mercilessly as a child which
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again i'm not correlation
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not all the issues yeah and
1:24:34
at the young teen he started getting into trouble
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with like petty thefts breaking
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into houses like some of them or
1:24:41
anc see kids shit but
1:24:43
that escalated when he was fifteen and
1:24:45
he started committing violence
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sexual crime okay there we
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go the best time the as the array
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like sarah gateway drug say
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that honesty though you
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take be take item
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that very personal very intimate
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yeah and it's really it's really
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risk i mean like we did a lot of stupid
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team said and maybe trespassing
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but not
1:25:12
the name again anyone's houses the owl
1:25:14
the worst thing we ever did was like potter people's yards
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i broke into diana's house one time
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there and i wrote red rum on her mirror
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and a male the know it just doesn't count
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when it's someone you are a like
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in relationships yeah yeah
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or friend and you leave them on know
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you're sneaky about , yeah
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i know my house to throw red
1:25:36
rum and lipstick on my closet door that
1:25:38
was a revenge because she thought you had done
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it when actually it was me you you
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, more trouble for that my
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mom was like what is that are repay
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your window like was like that
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there are a lot like we always get
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into your room yeah the way
1:25:56
peter broke into a house and attacks the female
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occupants ogre who
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would flip in bed and beat her
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over the head with a hammer oh god
1:26:06
he was fifteen oh my
1:26:08
god oh my god yeah
1:26:11
he is yeah salon
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like okay yeah the about the about
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fortunately she survived but he was not
1:26:19
immediately identified as her attacker image you sleeping
1:26:21
summer though that
1:26:23
left like she couldn't identify who did this
1:26:26
so that left him free to carry out a string
1:26:28
of sexual attack over the next
1:26:30
year for which he was caught and convicted
1:26:32
serving nine years in the local peterhead
1:26:35
prism following ,
1:26:37
release with cents to one year in prison
1:26:39
for breaking into a house like right
1:26:41
every was released he broke into out and
1:26:44
then and another eight years for
1:26:47
a rapier committed while on
1:26:49
bail from the charge for breaking into
1:26:51
that our totally compulsive
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he cannot help it the up
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now so he claims that police framed
1:26:58
him and that detective william months he
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the indiana who
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the in handling his cases for years
1:27:04
was simply out to get him like
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may very well have been true but like you're
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a thrill ride it out so far he catches
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me every time i yeah i
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can and rape sun rise of odd
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on my say is gonna get off
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by know half my doc
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peter was released from prison in the early nineteen
1:27:26
fifties and was completely reforms
1:27:28
and went on to live a peaceful life
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without any threat to the community the
1:27:32
and special playing oh
1:27:34
sorry i'm only way i believe
1:27:37
you take ,
1:27:40
it no peter went on a killing
1:27:43
spree that would say and three years
1:27:45
and claimed the lives of it's least nine
1:27:47
victor my ah ad
1:27:50
in nineteen fifty six peter met seventeen
1:27:53
year old and nealon he
1:27:55
dragged to east kilbride
1:27:57
golf course rape and board
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the to death with like a tire iron
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know he is just so
1:28:05
brutal man as now
1:28:08
yeah although it will panic get to this
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by although he confessed to the murder
1:28:12
two years later the case was subsequently
1:28:14
dropped due to insufficient ever there will go
1:28:16
over that in his trial oh my god
1:28:19
the with all before breaking into houses and one
1:28:21
of these break his lead to an arrest for which he was
1:28:24
out on bail in september of nineteen fifty
1:28:26
six
1:28:27
while out on bail he entered the home of
1:28:29
marion and william watch
1:28:31
the killed merriam marion
1:28:33
who is forty five
1:28:34
forty one year old sister margaret brown who was
1:28:36
just like visiting or possibly living
1:28:39
with them at the time and ah
1:28:41
sixteen year old vivian watch
1:28:43
marion a williams daughter they
1:28:46
were all killed by guns there while william was
1:28:48
away on a fishing trip no ben
1:28:51
helping them out probably possibly
1:28:53
i mean is that it's hard to know he
1:28:56
was is breaking into people's houses right like
1:28:58
i think you would have done it whether or not william was
1:29:00
all when it would tell them to yeah yeah
1:29:02
exactly i think it's i think it's or coincidence
1:29:05
william happened to be added out though
1:29:08
peter was a suspect the police initially
1:29:10
turned to william and put all
1:29:12
their efforts into investigating him what
1:29:14
peter skirted authorities evaporators
1:29:17
were convinced that william had driven nearly one
1:29:19
hundred miles through the night sake
1:29:21
to break and killed his family and went back
1:29:23
to his fishing trip season the
1:29:26
million overboard
1:29:28
they give a ferry operator claimed to have seen
1:29:30
william on the ferry during the night
1:29:33
like they had to take of the get to wherever he was fishing
1:29:36
another witness claimed to have seen him driving on a
1:29:38
nearby road book and will he was
1:29:40
arrested and held for two months
1:29:43
the topic a fell apart due to ever changing
1:29:45
stories and confusion among the eye witnesses
1:29:47
who couldn't actually confirm whether it was
1:29:50
indeed william they had seen or even what
1:29:52
par he'd been driving out
1:29:54
yeah like will lose a
1:29:57
only a man on the ferry i
1:29:59
saw a man
1:30:00
the wanted to be involved
1:30:02
yeah pretty much yeah
1:30:04
police are still skeptical especially as rumors
1:30:06
of williams extramarital affairs
1:30:08
the to pop up but again these are so does
1:30:10
rumors and we don't know but
1:30:13
the murder took place in a similar fashion
1:30:15
mere miles down the road like a couple
1:30:17
years later and this led them to
1:30:19
believe that they had a serial killer on the list of
1:30:21
the exact same ammo sub that is when
1:30:23
they finally stop thinking it was william because
1:30:26
they are like oh yeah but they
1:30:28
didn't have any evidence to continue to hold
1:30:30
him they let him go after two months but they
1:30:32
thought like police or thought it was him
1:30:34
he was a person of interest for like
1:30:36
year that's so scary can you
1:30:38
even imagine an eater was finally
1:30:41
like yeah though
1:30:44
then peter shot and killed thirty six
1:30:46
year old taxi driver sydney done in
1:30:48
december of nineteen fifty seven his
1:30:51
body was found in more lives in north north
1:30:53
on berlin's within a few days out
1:30:55
of the shooting
1:30:57
though he wasn't like hiding his victims
1:30:59
at all is as dumping them and leaving them or
1:31:01
leaving them in their homes where he's killing them like
1:31:03
the morning he is the a fucking psycho
1:31:06
yes there is this like honor of gets a cab
1:31:08
hasn't driving somewhere suits them
1:31:11
and on his body and takes off like it
1:31:13
makes no sense
1:31:15
so peter was never tried for
1:31:17
this murder as it occurred in a different legal
1:31:19
jurisdiction the jury later
1:31:21
concluded that he was responsible after
1:31:23
a button sound and dons taxi
1:31:26
match what of peters jackets
1:31:29
that same month so december of
1:31:31
on nineteen fifty seven peter
1:31:33
stalked raped and strangled seventeen
1:31:36
year old isabel cook
1:31:37
without her way to a dance at uddingston
1:31:40
grammar school oh my god
1:31:43
i know ah
1:31:45
in foster monster
1:31:47
it's the randomness of it is
1:31:50
one of the scariest part yeah really
1:31:52
fucking he has helped night soccer vibe
1:31:55
yeah
1:31:56
are you just so brutal and so
1:31:58
frequent and snow than down
1:32:01
her her ah yeah we'll get
1:32:03
to it but it's really not
1:32:05
that he was not initially connected with her murder but
1:32:07
later led police officers to the spot
1:32:09
where he disposed of her body likely and it
1:32:11
attempts at skirting
1:32:12
that penalty after he was caught him
1:32:14
this one is particularly creepy
1:32:17
smart family peter doris
1:32:19
and michael were shot dead in their attacks in
1:32:21
a home in the early hours of new years
1:32:23
day in nineteen fifty eight
1:32:26
michael moore was just ten years old
1:32:29
after the crime peter remained in their home for
1:32:32
nearly a week even leftovers
1:32:34
from their holiday meal marrone
1:32:37
hogmanay have been a dumping
1:32:39
their family car stealing cash
1:32:42
and even feeding the family can ah
1:32:45
yeah oh my god
1:32:48
he ah he always
1:32:50
hanging and the family would the dead bodies
1:32:52
were in the house i mean yen like do
1:32:54
anything about yeah ah oh my god
1:32:57
yup oh my god
1:33:00
so creepy the last
1:33:02
attack was the one that determine
1:33:04
though investigators had suspected him for
1:33:06
a long time they didn't have enough evidence
1:33:08
to bring him up on charges until a search of the
1:33:10
smart family home the are smart
1:33:13
had withdrawn several hundred dollars in cash
1:33:15
or pound or whatever and cash
1:33:17
on new years eve and the serial numbers
1:33:19
on these bills to they were brand new bills out
1:33:21
of the a tm like it's just or from the banks
1:33:24
of happen to be brand new mast cash
1:33:27
that peter manual was using
1:33:29
at the pub in glasgow
1:33:32
personally their money at he got caught so
1:33:35
either the dad had
1:33:38
just happened to withdraw cash and
1:33:40
they they hear the end the
1:33:43
found it or
1:33:45
he
1:33:47
like held the family hostage and made the
1:33:49
dad don't get know we we know
1:33:51
that this was cast as as we
1:33:53
didn't there were eighty ems at this time so
1:33:55
peter like was at the bank
1:33:57
like that confirms that like so we end it
1:33:59
was
1:34:00
for he was killed it with like right before
1:34:02
new year's getting that holiday money from
1:34:04
now or whatever and then he
1:34:06
with kids they were killed the next morning
1:34:08
like think that he got his ass like for
1:34:11
new years eve or something i have an
1:34:13
egg peter came and killed them the next
1:34:15
boarding and them whatever cast was left
1:34:17
over the review the get but they just
1:34:19
knew from that previous withdraw that these
1:34:21
are brand new bills in a sequential order
1:34:24
right it's as though they were able to mask the
1:34:26
real numbers
1:34:27
the money that he was either get the pub say cash
1:34:29
withdrawal make sense to that was the holiday weekend
1:34:32
them exactly
1:34:34
investigators rated peter manuals
1:34:36
say it family home in bergen shaw
1:34:39
and search for stolen items with the smart murder scene
1:34:42
and arrested peter and his father
1:34:44
for breaking and entering like just to get
1:34:46
him and costs and off the street while they
1:34:48
finish building their case against them
1:34:50
in the remaining murders the
1:34:53
believe new pete really well as a been
1:34:55
tracking his crimes are fucking decades
1:34:58
and were aware of his love the attention so
1:35:00
they left him alone and a cell for
1:35:02
nearly twenty four hours before
1:35:04
interviewing him with the intention of like
1:35:06
depriving him of attention oh
1:35:08
i'm or our that time soon
1:35:11
so that as soon as they did pay attention to him
1:35:13
he would spill the would gosh and
1:35:16
it worked like they didn't even
1:35:18
see who called out to them
1:35:20
to come to his office supply
1:35:22
of satellites twelve hours he was like
1:35:24
and year and law and you'll have an
1:35:26
absence the only one the job
1:35:29
right yeah i saw you either
1:35:31
that or outland weird
1:35:35
, weird a secret we're this words and soon
1:35:37
peter cold over the civil say he wanted
1:35:39
to help police with sub unsolved
1:35:41
cases i'm the best to do buddy
1:35:44
mullen wait your turn yeah
1:35:47
well the dead and the
1:35:50
fact it really worth he confessed to
1:35:52
killing and kneeland the was family
1:35:54
at margaret brown isabel cook and
1:35:56
the smart family some
1:35:59
believe that he did there he would be allowed to see his
1:36:01
parents with whom he had a very close relationship
1:36:03
and he was so living with them at home that
1:36:06
he could also be argued that psychopathic killers
1:36:08
like peter need to be the center of the
1:36:10
story center of attention
1:36:12
that like their original tactic to
1:36:14
just get him to talk was
1:36:16
spot
1:36:17
the wow one murder he
1:36:19
refused to confess he was the killing of the taxi
1:36:21
driver sydney done by the as
1:36:23
we know he's got the important eventually implicated
1:36:25
him on that one that's another
1:36:28
hot can't the members zippers
1:36:30
all male yeah parkin fell
1:36:33
from oh the
1:36:35
quote from crime and investigation
1:36:37
uk opinion
1:36:39
was divided about our manuals mental
1:36:42
state some say he displayed
1:36:44
many of the classic traits of a psychopath
1:36:46
lacking empathy with his victims showing
1:36:48
no remorse the not accepting that
1:36:50
what he had done that's wrong doctor
1:36:53
also described him as having a few
1:36:55
states memory loss and epilepsy
1:36:58
those seeking to understand what drove manual
1:37:00
to kill had to wrestle with some contradiction
1:37:03
the with someone who killed and raped women
1:37:05
yet doted on his own mother so he didn't
1:37:07
have the like a gene mommy's
1:37:10
or yeah
1:37:11
well outing on your mom can still be
1:37:14
a mommy issue oh totally nightly
1:37:16
it's it's not the violent right ones that
1:37:18
scene and similar cases
1:37:20
the with cruel to animals but was devoted
1:37:22
to the family dog and took care of the smart
1:37:24
family cat
1:37:25
so weird this could also all just
1:37:27
like an extra layer of manipulation
1:37:30
like even a they are psychopaths
1:37:32
babies maybe oh
1:37:35
so loads he couldn't
1:37:37
maintain a relationship with a woman but
1:37:39
considered himself as a look maria
1:37:42
oh the answer but
1:37:45
like grand fuck into action
1:37:47
is carbon cycle
1:37:49
rep his dad is to i was
1:37:51
it's like i think i think his dad
1:37:53
is a suspected his dad of
1:37:56
being part of this like breaking and entering
1:37:58
thing but looking back on it
1:38:00
i think that they arrested
1:38:02
his dad most lethal
1:38:05
like rattle hander
1:38:07
yeah and that they because they
1:38:10
initially only brought the main on charges of breaking
1:38:12
and entering shots to get peter off the streets
1:38:14
or a relief that dad pretty soon
1:38:16
thereafter or they could have been afraid that the
1:38:18
dad would like tamper with evidence in the samurai
1:38:21
home or something yeah to the families
1:38:23
the clothes so i think that it was mostly
1:38:25
like a a false
1:38:27
it already had another tactic exactly
1:38:30
i think it was a tactic and they have loosened
1:38:32
up
1:38:33
it was appointed fifties like the
1:38:35
on what evidence that you super need
1:38:37
to just arrest someone my a question
1:38:39
the and hold them for a day or two
1:38:42
yeah twenty four hour forty eight hours whatever so
1:38:44
i think that's all that happened there the weirdest
1:38:46
thing about his past in was his
1:38:48
lack of a pattern
1:38:49
yeah he had no clear motors and any
1:38:52
of these killings except for the sexual the occasion
1:38:54
of the rape and murder of and he didn't
1:38:56
he was dead killed to seventeen
1:38:58
year old girl yeah
1:39:00
but he only one sexually assaulted
1:39:03
one i believe
1:39:04
oh weird it's really weird he
1:39:07
was careful not to be seen with spread there were no
1:39:09
eyewitnesses the place i'm at the scene
1:39:11
the method of execution was not
1:39:13
consistent at all some victims were shot
1:39:16
as they slept them were
1:39:18
legit i'm like labs yeah somewhere
1:39:20
shot like the taxi driver while they were awake
1:39:23
some were strangled some were beaten to death
1:39:25
the all
1:39:26
there's a hammer there's a gun there's
1:39:28
strangulation their job she says
1:39:31
as tire iron sky as
1:39:33
a candle sick and the library is
1:39:35
a row
1:39:36
so despite stalking isabel cook
1:39:39
all the victims appeared to be random crimes
1:39:41
of opportunity like it's a for her
1:39:43
i think he's soft that sam lee
1:39:45
and knew that said had been
1:39:48
was gonna be outta town but
1:39:50
then i guess that very theory
1:39:52
that i just said scenario is
1:39:54
that it late and ah assess
1:39:57
assess assess he's
1:39:59
not
1:40:00
the family he he
1:40:02
didn't care that the dad was home and
1:40:04
not give a shit yeah i really think it was coincidence
1:40:06
i william wasn't on yeah
1:40:08
in in a capable was family computer the
1:40:11
get on saturday
1:40:13
there are thinking out loud yeah no
1:40:15
i gotta say but actually
1:40:17
out on the i thought they said anymore yeah i'm
1:40:19
now the way to enter a see it's the exact same as
1:40:22
an aside really confidently as a lot
1:40:25
of we were in today is the
1:40:28
most argument it as and
1:40:30
lava years of working now
1:40:33
the end of the case of a walk family peter seem
1:40:35
to get sick that effect
1:40:36
out of like towards your a william
1:40:39
the surviving on
1:40:40
the end and yeah after the fact
1:40:42
vegas police eventually fell letters
1:40:44
that peter wrote peter
1:40:46
robinson letters to like the friend
1:40:49
potential legal representation
1:40:52
figures and government like specifically
1:40:54
about this case
1:40:55
trying to be like please represent me i didn't
1:40:57
do this and he also
1:40:59
wrote weird letters to william after
1:41:02
murdering his entire fucking family
1:41:04
my and william initially believe these
1:41:06
to be like pretty benign letters because he'd
1:41:08
received condolences in the mail after
1:41:10
the case had gone so public
1:41:13
but peters letters apparently it contained
1:41:15
information that only the killer could have no
1:41:17
sociology signed them as him
1:41:19
by the i think he did but they were just
1:41:21
like i don't think william believe go
1:41:23
or and till later i don't
1:41:25
even know will you recognize who this guy was
1:41:28
like it's the fifties you know
1:41:30
the the police knew who peter was but
1:41:32
like william may not have been paying attention
1:41:34
in this letter is lumped in with all
1:41:37
these other letters of he was getting set
1:41:39
regarding how famous this
1:41:41
particular case god how horrible
1:41:44
so yeah
1:41:46
like it's it's so fucking fucked
1:41:48
up and these letters would be used as further evidence
1:41:50
to his guilt at trial the
1:41:52
trial was an absolute madhouse peter
1:41:54
was given they can the nickname the beast
1:41:56
of birkin shaw world mac
1:41:59
which is really great the peter
1:42:01
thirty one years old and i hate to admit it like
1:42:04
find a convention the only handsome
1:42:06
the real crowds that would line up around
1:42:09
the block the get a seat
1:42:11
and the in like the public gallery the driver
1:42:13
error about that shit
1:42:16
going down the like san domenico
1:42:18
around the fuckin def heard trial
1:42:20
and how they wait to see the rival
1:42:22
where it's just grosses me out i'm
1:42:25
not into that at all no not a
1:42:27
fan so almost immediately
1:42:29
peter fired his lawyers and shows to represent
1:42:31
himself in his
1:42:34
sight of as being go now
1:42:36
it's like narcissist psychopath they go
1:42:39
the parking lot of the tension that his first
1:42:41
tactic was you retract his previous
1:42:43
the person that he had made to the please why
1:42:46
me that he only did that for the pleads with
1:42:48
back off his family as remember they had arrested
1:42:50
his dad once again for private
1:42:52
investigation uk quote the judge rejected
1:42:55
his efforts to have them withdrawn and
1:42:57
ruled that they could be admitted into
1:42:59
evidence the court heard evidence from the
1:43:01
police of about the bank notes
1:43:03
belonging to peter smarts which manual
1:43:06
had spent in glasgow our glasgow bar
1:43:08
in the days after the murders took place the
1:43:11
jury also heard about manuals damning
1:43:13
confessions the previous criminal conviction
1:43:15
the news event manual claimed that he
1:43:17
had known the smart family for years
1:43:20
and that peter smart had asked him to get a gone
1:43:23
that he had found the bodies and thought it looked
1:43:25
like a case of murder suicide and
1:43:28
, far as the murder of isabel cook was concerned
1:43:30
he had claimed to have been at the cinema
1:43:33
that night okay great like that says
1:43:35
gray an alibi and also pretty
1:43:37
hard to be a murder suicide when you continue
1:43:40
feeding the cat after your own
1:43:42
doubt doubt yeah so
1:43:45
the trial lasted twelve days for the jury was
1:43:48
the smiths to deliberate they returned with
1:43:50
a verdict in less than
1:43:51
few hours which is always a good sign for
1:43:53
the defendant after
1:43:55
being instructed them to deliberate on seven
1:43:58
of the a charges because the judge before
1:44:00
dismissing the read that in the charge of rape
1:44:02
and murder of an at kneeland there
1:44:04
was insufficient evidence to convict
1:44:07
the case was thrown out that sandwich
1:44:09
yeah i can't even imagine how deficit there must
1:44:11
have been for and family my
1:44:14
you know at the same time as are all lumped together you
1:44:16
don't want him getting off ya be cut
1:44:18
every than yeah the wrong
1:44:20
way
1:44:22
fortunately peter was found guilty
1:44:24
on all the remaining charges and he was
1:44:26
sentenced to death the drama did not
1:44:28
and their peter spent his last
1:44:30
days trying to convince authorities that he
1:44:32
was clinically insane and could not
1:44:34
face the news as a result of his mental thing
1:44:37
he wasn't successful
1:44:39
and even his own mother in her final
1:44:41
visit him before his execution
1:44:44
days slapped him across the
1:44:46
face as he faked some kind of fit
1:44:49
and scream you can follow
1:44:51
me
1:44:53
oh my god you're all
1:44:56
love from mommy i
1:44:58
know the mommy that he doted on and
1:45:00
love to sober
1:45:01
the wrath of a hundred sit here
1:45:03
month yup that
1:45:07
you're bad at bad lover
1:45:09
so he met his and on july eleventh
1:45:12
nice and fifty eight and his last words
1:45:14
were turn up the radio as
1:45:16
i'll go quietly
1:45:18
well ha ha ha logging
1:45:20
shutters he says and if
1:45:23
you want more other throughout other as a three part
1:45:25
series called in plain sight and you can
1:45:27
stream it i think i'm like a horn and
1:45:29
amazon wow wow
1:45:33
ah that
1:45:35
a lot to take in oh
1:45:38
my god who are alive
1:45:42
and dead
1:45:44
why fuck that guy i'm easy
1:45:46
all you live on was insane
1:45:49
but just this standard psychopaths
1:45:51
serial killer insane wear sunglasses
1:45:54
yeah psychopath bingo were like a
1:45:56
new it's wrong
1:45:59
oh
1:46:00
yeah not go round and like yeah
1:46:02
tried to hide it may
1:46:05
and he does is due diligence like
1:46:07
a whole lot
1:46:10
don't know
1:46:12
how through
1:46:14
this crisis is a lot
1:46:16
it by this one is a bad
1:46:18
huh the job as
1:46:20
far as that he fucked gosh
1:46:23
anyway that peter manual
1:46:26
okay well
1:46:28
especially that is correct yeah
1:46:31
yeah thanks
1:46:33
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1:46:36
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1:46:52
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1:46:57
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