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American Hysteria. Will
1:03
she take over the town's cookie factory?
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Before he steals her heart in a
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Hallmark Channel original movie. They will
1:09
keep traditional marriage at the core. I
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do Christmas almost all year round, just
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sharing the Christmas message. There's gonna be
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more Christmas. After Christmas, more Christmas. I
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think to start this episode,
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we all need to get
1:26
into the Hallmark Christmas movie
1:28
mood. And so, just
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for you, I'm going
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to describe the entire
1:36
plot of the record-breaking
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2014 Candace Cameron Bure
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vehicle, Christmas Under
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Wraps. If,
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for some unknowable reason, you
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don't want to listen to
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this section, you can go
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So grab one of those. extra soft
2:01
blankets from Target and
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your favorite mid-priced Cabernet
2:05
and cuddle right up
2:08
for a true Hallmark
2:10
moment. As
2:13
Christmas approaches a third-year resident
2:17
surgeon named Dr. Lauren Brunel
2:19
finds herself beaten out
2:21
for the Big City
2:23
Boston Medical Fellowship of her
2:26
dreams, relegated instead
2:28
to the depressing academic
2:30
limbo of the wait
2:32
list. Not only
2:35
that, but her shitty little sweater
2:37
vested boyfriend has just broken up
2:39
with her at a dinner she
2:42
believed would culminate in
2:44
a public restaurant engagement.
2:47
But no, not so. You see,
2:50
Dr. Lauren Brunel just
2:53
isn't spontaneous enough. She's
2:56
a workaholic. Her
2:58
life is planned to the minute. No
3:00
room for the kind of love that
3:02
defies all her
3:05
chilly logic. Sorry,
3:07
Lauren. It's over. Arriving
3:10
back at her familial mansion,
3:12
she speaks to her parents
3:15
in the parlor. Dr. Brunel's
3:17
father, Dr. Brunel, has
3:20
always encouraged his daughter
3:22
to follow in his
3:24
affluent workaholic footsteps, but
3:27
her keenly observant mother
3:29
senses something isn't quite
3:31
right and continuously reminds
3:34
Lauren to live in
3:36
the moment, telling
3:38
her you can listen to
3:40
your mind, but you have
3:42
to follow your heart. Unsure
3:46
of her future for the
3:48
very first time, she
3:51
spontaneously takes a job
3:53
in a small town
3:56
outside Anchorage, Alaska. Only
3:59
accessible by a tiny
4:01
plane flown by the
4:04
flanneled town handyman and
4:06
eligible bachelor, Andy
4:08
Holiday. They fly
4:10
shakily over these terrifying snowy
4:13
mountains, the kind where if
4:15
they crashed, they would never
4:17
be found and would have
4:20
to survive by any means
4:22
necessary. It's as if
4:25
the Andy's plane crash incident
4:27
never even happened, which of
4:29
course, in the crystalline hallmark
4:31
universe, it didn't. Safely
4:34
and calmly, they descend into
4:37
this small town called Garland,
4:41
and Andy, somewhat smugly,
4:43
questions Dr. Brunel's big
4:46
city personality and
4:49
her noteworthy lack of
4:51
Christmas cheer, which she
4:53
soon discovers overfloweth in
4:55
this small town, blanketed
4:58
in snow, so pristine
5:00
that one has to
5:02
wonder if dirt even
5:05
exists in this alternate
5:08
plane. She's immediately
5:10
confronted with that small town
5:12
attitude. No fancy espresso drinks
5:14
here, lady, but we got
5:16
all the hot coffee and
5:18
all the plain white sugar
5:21
you could ever want here
5:23
in the single restaurant in
5:25
town, Hattie's Diner, that is
5:27
long sat beside the only
5:30
general store in town. As
5:32
Andy explains, in Garland, things
5:35
may not be fancy, but
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they have everything they
5:39
need. Dr. Brunel,
5:41
however, has not yet shaken
5:44
the snoot of the city
5:46
from her laughably thin coat.
5:49
When Andy walks her to her
5:51
stunning little rustic cabin where she
5:53
will be living, she
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sighs, this will
5:58
have to do. Later
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at Hattie's Diner, she
6:03
meets Andy's suspiciously jolly
6:05
father, Frank Holliday,
6:08
who literally only eats
6:10
plates of brightly frosted
6:13
cookies. She discovers
6:15
that he founded the remote
6:17
town and built a business
6:19
called Holliday Shipping with a
6:22
factory providing most of the
6:24
jobs in the area. So
6:27
what they do seems to be a strange garland secret.
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When Dr. Brunel begins
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her stressful tenure as
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the single doctor in
6:40
town, she becomes a
6:42
bit of a celebrity, with
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even the garlandites she has
6:46
never met greeting her as
6:48
she shuffles through town on
6:50
the pristine sidewalk. Hey
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Doc, ho Doc, how ya doin'
6:54
Doc? Even Andy calls
6:57
her Doc. At
6:59
his request, she also begins
7:01
a mission to get Andy's
7:03
ailing father in healthier shape,
7:06
first demanding that he begin to
7:08
eat more than just frosted cookies,
7:10
to which he protests in a
7:13
huff. As Dr.
7:15
Brunel settles into her new
7:17
role, she is charmed by
7:19
this quieter, friendlier life. Whoop,
7:22
a new possible foe. A
7:25
man, she finds out, was
7:27
once a workaholic himself, an
7:30
architect in Seattle who gave
7:32
up the rat race to
7:35
return to his hometown. Like
7:37
Lauren, Andy has to decide
7:40
whether he is staying in
7:42
his hometown to keep his
7:44
aging father's business alive, or
7:47
return to his big life in
7:49
the big city. Then
7:52
things get a little weirder.
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She starts seeing things out of the
7:56
corner of her eye, which she thinks
7:58
are elves. skittering outside
8:01
holiday shipping, but upon asking
8:03
what the fuck is going
8:05
on, the increasingly kissy-eyed Andy
8:07
does a little flirty gaslighting.
8:09
Then they do a little
8:11
almost kiss, but then Lauren's
8:14
old life flashes before her
8:16
eyes and she flips out
8:18
and decides she's gotta get
8:20
back to her big-time career
8:22
plans right now. As emo
8:26
Andy drives her to his
8:28
plane, they start to say
8:30
their serious goodbye. But
8:33
wait, an urgent call. There's
8:35
a medical emergency back in Garland
8:37
and they need her right now. The
8:42
arcs the car around and speeds through the
8:44
town, but when they get to the emergency,
8:47
it is an injured reindeer
8:49
leg. And Dr. Brunel is
8:51
like, seriously? And Frank Holiday
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is like, I need him
8:55
healed by Christmas Eve. And
8:57
she is like, why Frank?
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And he's like, for the
9:01
Christmas Eve festival? And she's
9:03
like, okay. And then Dr.
9:05
Brunel finds out that the
9:07
fellowship of her dreams in
9:09
Boston is hers. And
9:12
she tries to leave again. Then
9:15
another call. Frank has collapsed. It's
9:17
his heart. Lauren comes to his
9:19
aid. He begs to be discharged
9:21
in time for the Christmas festival.
9:24
Andy tells his dad he will stay in
9:26
Garland. Then Lauren's like, you know what? I
9:28
also need to follow my heart like my
9:30
mom said, even if my dad is disappointed
9:32
in me. She triumphantly
9:34
returns right into the
9:37
town festival and under
9:39
strings of colored lights,
9:41
beside glittering expanses of
9:43
snow. Her and
9:45
Andy kiss it out. B.F.
9:48
and G.F. for Ava
9:50
now, because guess what
9:53
everybody? Dr. Brunel is
9:55
staying in Garland.
9:57
Townspeople, you shan't be.
10:00
be doctorless in a hamlet
10:02
only accessible by a two-passenger
10:04
plane. But wait, there's
10:07
one more surprise. Andy's
10:10
dad, Mr. Frank Holiday
10:12
himself, pulls up in
10:14
a reindeer-drawn sleigh for the
10:16
culmination of the Town Christmas
10:19
Eve festival. And
10:21
then with a little look like,
10:23
dink, he takes off into the
10:25
fucking sky. What? The
10:28
end. Is this place for real?
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That's garland for you. I'm not getting go
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underway! The
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star of Christmas Under
10:39
Wraps is Candace Cameron
10:42
Beret, Hallmark's former Queen
10:44
of Christmas, also
10:46
a major Christian influencer with
10:48
her own clothing line, a
10:51
shop full of spiritually inspirational
10:53
products, and of course, a
10:56
whole bunch of cozy Christmas-themed
10:58
products for adults. She
11:01
sells through partnerships with
11:03
QVC, Dr. Lancer's anti-aging
11:06
products, and Dayspring, where
11:08
she has her own line of
11:10
Bibles that come in what the
11:13
Wall Street Journal referred to as,
11:15
beachy colors. She's
11:18
also spent time as
11:20
the starkist Tuna spokesperson,
11:22
who's appeared in commercials
11:24
alongside their longtime cartoon
11:26
Tuna mascot, Charlie. In
11:29
one ad, he floats beside her
11:31
on the red carpet, both
11:33
posing for the cameras, when
11:35
she gets a little hungry
11:37
and pulls a convenient on-the-go
11:39
pouch of snack tuna from
11:41
her designer clutch to give
11:43
her that little boost she
11:45
needs. But, zooming
11:48
out, we realize that
11:50
she's just casually eating
11:52
mutilated tuna beside her
11:55
Tuna friend, or perhaps
11:57
her Tuna date. made
12:00
clear. But before she
12:02
put the star in StarKissed
12:04
Tuna, she was known as
12:07
the tween-turned-teen DJ
12:09
Tanner on the massively
12:11
popular 90s sitcom
12:14
Full House that ran
12:16
for eight whole seasons
12:18
and provided family-friendly entertainment
12:21
that all ages could
12:23
enjoy together. She
12:26
continued to have success
12:28
with this family-friendly brand,
12:30
working as Hallmark's major
12:32
star for 15 years. But
12:37
recently, Candy Cane Beret
12:39
has announced her departure
12:41
to produce and star
12:43
in more overtly faith-based
12:45
programming on the
12:47
Great American Family Network,
12:50
Hallmark's newest competitor.
12:53
Due to the timing of this
12:55
announcement and the wording
12:57
in her explanation, many
13:00
determined that she was leaving
13:02
because the network had started
13:04
to use storylines that didn't
13:07
align with her beliefs about
13:09
gay relationships. When
13:11
asked if the Great American
13:13
Family Channel will include gay
13:16
couples, she responded that she
13:18
believes that they will, quote,
13:20
keep traditional marriage at the
13:22
core. She also
13:24
claimed that Hallmark was, quote,
13:26
basically a completely different network
13:29
due to changes in their
13:31
leadership. These
13:33
changes came after Hallmark
13:35
faced a major backlash
13:38
in 2019 for pulling a
13:40
Zola wedding ad that featured
13:43
two women kissing at their
13:45
marriage ceremony. A conservative
13:47
group, one million moms took issue with the
13:49
ad campaign and more than 40,000 people
13:52
signed this petition, telling Hallmark the
13:54
ad did not align with the
13:56
network's, quote, family-friendly content. That
13:58
pressure from the infamous fundamentalist
14:00
organization One Million Moms, or
14:03
as GLAAD refers to them,
14:05
One Meddling Anti-Gay
14:07
Mom, was enough for then
14:09
CEO Bill Abbott, who pulled
14:12
the ad hoping
14:14
to quietly avoid
14:17
controversy. LOL. Of
14:19
course, social media caught
14:22
on quickly, with many
14:24
blasting the homophobic decision,
14:26
with others praising Hallmark
14:28
for standing up to
14:30
the greedy Grinch of
14:32
winter wokeness. So
14:35
despite the desire to remain
14:37
as apolitical as possible, Hallmark
14:40
was embroiled in a heated
14:42
debate about exactly
14:44
what it hoped to avoid.
14:47
And then Bill reversed his decision
14:49
about the ad, especially
14:51
after Zola said they'd be
14:54
taking their business elsewhere if
14:56
these were indeed the values
14:58
of the company. One
15:00
Million Moms made their public
15:03
response, citing a Bible
15:05
verse to support the notion
15:07
that homosexuals deserved to die.
15:09
It was all
15:11
a big mess. Just
15:15
a few months after the controversy,
15:17
Bill Abbott officially resigned as
15:20
CEO, not due to the
15:22
scandal he said, but rather
15:25
a coincidence of timing. He
15:28
played no small role in
15:30
the roaring success of the
15:32
channel and has been given
15:34
credit for spotting the potential of the
15:36
made-for-TV Christmas movie market
15:39
and then leaning in
15:41
with full bravado to
15:43
incredible unprecedented
15:45
ratings. Back in
15:47
2009, the channel premiered 21 new movies under his
15:52
guidance, 33 in 2017 and 38 in 2018. Here
16:00
they're producing 41, but they're doing so with a new
16:02
leader at the reins. Hallmark
16:08
aka Crown Media appointed Wanya Lucas
16:10
as their new CEO in 2019,
16:12
and she came in with
16:16
a very different vision, one
16:19
in which the channel would
16:21
tell far more stories from
16:23
perspectives other than Hallmark's Hallmark
16:25
Straight White Christian Christmas, and
16:28
that they would change the tradition
16:30
of the friend of color who
16:32
disappears at 15 minutes in, hoping
16:35
to scrub away the hollow corporate
16:38
attempts at diversity. Representation
16:42
is one thing, making sure that
16:44
people see themselves and hear themselves,
16:46
but also trying to
16:48
move from that to cultural
16:50
authenticity. Black people in New
16:52
Orleans are not like black people in
16:54
Brooklyn in terms of their culture. The
16:57
culture that they live within, how
17:00
they may celebrate different holidays, I
17:02
mean there's a cultural nuance that
17:04
transcends race and it
17:06
transcends gender. Candace
17:09
Cameron Beret made the
17:11
decision to follow her
17:13
longtime collaborator to the
17:15
Great American Family Channel,
17:17
where he is currently
17:19
the CEO. That's
17:22
right. Mr. Bill
17:24
Abbott. She said
17:26
of the reason for her
17:28
move, quote, I knew that
17:30
the people behind the Great
17:32
American Family were Christians that
17:34
loved the Lord and wanted
17:36
to promote faith-based programming and
17:38
good family entertainment. She
17:41
said she wants to break
17:43
the Hallmark mold and tell
17:46
more spiritual stories, denying that
17:48
she left out of homophobia,
17:50
blaming the media for twisting
17:52
the story to manufacture conflict
17:54
and expressing her love for
17:57
all of God's people. explain
18:00
why great American family won't feature
18:02
same-sex couples, but said, quote, I
18:04
am called to love all people and I
18:06
do. Adding, I had also expressed in
18:08
my interview, which was not included,
18:10
that people of all ethnicities and
18:13
identities have and will continue to
18:15
contribute to the network in great ways,
18:17
both in front of and behind the
18:19
camera, which I encourage and fully support.
18:22
This is not the first time
18:24
that she's come under fire. She
18:27
also argued vehemently with Raven Simone
18:29
on the view on
18:31
behalf of that wedding bakery who
18:33
refused to serve a same-sex couple.
18:36
None of this really comes as
18:38
a surprise to anyone who's followed
18:40
the trajectory of the Cameron sibling.
18:43
Candace's big brother Kirk,
18:45
child star of another
18:48
90s sitcom Growing Pains,
18:50
became a born-again Christian
18:52
at 17 after living
18:54
as a self-described teenage
18:57
atheist. And almost
18:59
overnight, he began demanding changes
19:01
to the scripts that he
19:04
deemed inappropriate under his strict
19:06
new sensibilities. He
19:09
would go on to become a
19:11
kind of fringe media prophet of
19:13
aggressive Christian fiction, starring
19:15
in the apocalyptic
19:17
book-turned-movie series Left
19:19
Behind and even producing
19:22
his own 2014 film
19:24
called Saving Christmas, which
19:26
is exactly what it
19:28
sounds like. Kirk
19:31
Cameron has always been far more
19:33
forthcoming about his views on
19:36
homosexuality, whereas Candace has tried
19:38
to tow that line a
19:40
lot more carefully, not unlike
19:44
Hallmark itself. Hallmark
19:47
Christmas movies have always been
19:49
most popular in conservative areas,
19:51
in the Midwest, in the
19:54
South, in the general heartland.
19:56
But it was in 2016.
20:00
that the network got
20:02
a very noteworthy ratings
20:04
boost, the only entertainment
20:06
channel that year to
20:08
achieve a growth percentage
20:10
in the double digits.
20:13
One can actually hold up the
20:16
2016 Republican presidential election
20:18
voters map, and it
20:20
matches pretty perfectly to
20:23
the swaths of major
20:25
Hallmark Christmas fans. But
20:28
that does not mean that the
20:30
rest of us can't enjoy the
20:32
heck out of these movies, very
20:35
much including queers like me,
20:38
whether sincerely for the simple
20:40
warmth they can provide, or
20:42
for their exceptional corniness, their
20:44
cheesiness, the way you can
20:46
make a drinking game from
20:48
their ever-repeating tropes, the surreal
20:50
lines and line deliveries, the
20:52
way you can spot all
20:55
the gay actors trying to
20:57
act straight, the way each one
20:59
feels like it could be a horror movie if
21:01
you just put different music under the scenes. In
21:04
fact, they often verge on being
21:07
campy, like drag shows of the
21:09
perfect American dream. I
21:11
mean, just listen to what this anonymous
21:13
employee told Bustle in 2021, quote, many
21:17
Hallmark films were burst by producers
21:20
sitting in a conference room, sit
21:23
balling catchy movie titles, and
21:25
then working backward to shape
21:27
a plot line around the
21:29
title. If they came up
21:31
with a title they liked, say, Christmas
21:33
on the Rocks, for example, they'd
21:35
send me to surf the web
21:37
for a family who rock climbs
21:39
every Christmas, or a rock
21:41
star who falls in love with a
21:44
caroler. It was like writing a punch
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now, back to the show. Hallmark's
23:03
target demographic is women ages
23:05
25 to 54. And
23:10
tugging on the heartstrings of Gen X and
23:12
millennials with 80s, 90s, and 2000s nostalgia, well
23:17
that works pretty well on viewers
23:19
no matter what their values are.
23:22
Like most big companies, they know
23:24
that this nostalgia sells. And they've
23:27
been selling back to us, the
23:29
sitcom kids we grew to really
23:32
know on TV when we
23:34
sat cross-legged on the carpet with
23:36
the friends we pretended they were.
23:40
On Full House, as mentioned,
23:42
Candace Cameron Beret played DJ
23:44
Tanner, the daughter of the
23:47
lovable doof and sad-eyed widower
23:49
Danny Tanner, played by the
23:51
late Bob Saget, R.I.P., who
23:54
was raising his three girls
23:56
in San Francisco with help
23:58
from his... brother-in-law and
24:01
his best friend. When
24:03
it came to his huffy oldest daughter,
24:05
DJ, well, she always found
24:07
a moral lesson at the end of
24:10
the show, sitting on the edge of
24:12
her bed. DJ's little
24:14
sister, comedic genius, Stephanie
24:16
Tanner, was played by
24:18
Jodie Sweeten, yet another
24:20
Hallmark darling, clocking in
24:22
at five movies with
24:24
two coming out this
24:26
year. And
24:28
then there's Lori Laughlin, who
24:30
played Aunt Becky and has
24:32
been a reoccurring star on
24:35
Hallmark before she spent two
24:37
months in prison for her
24:39
part in the 2019 Nationwide
24:41
College Admission Scandal, but
24:43
nonetheless has been quietly returning to
24:45
the channel. Noticeably absent
24:47
from the full house Hallmark
24:49
grab bag are the unfathomably
24:52
iconic twins, Mary Kate
24:55
and Ashley Olsen, who
24:58
together portrayed youngest daughter
25:00
and precocious toddler turned
25:03
nine-year-old Michelle Tanner. Instead,
25:06
they live a low-key
25:08
life of high fashion,
25:11
far away from the Christmas
25:13
movie industrial complex that could
25:15
have been their logical fate.
25:17
Seeing as they spent so many
25:20
years basically forced to pump out
25:22
Hallmark-esque movies for kids and teenagers,
25:25
I just wanted to take my
25:27
chance to mention them. And
25:30
who could forget dear Winnie? Winnie
25:32
Cooper, the lovable girl next door
25:34
in The Wonder Years, another late
25:36
80s, early 90s show about
25:39
suburban life in the late 1960s. Winnie
25:44
was played by Danica McKellar,
25:46
who has now starred in
25:48
15 Hallmark Christmas movies.
25:51
Lacey Shabare, aka Gretchen
25:53
Wieners in Mean Girls,
25:56
has become a Hallmark
25:58
nice girl. with more than
26:00
10 titles under her belt.
26:03
Her former co-star, Jonathan Bennett,
26:06
who played Aaron Looks Sexy
26:08
with his hair pushed back
26:11
Samuels, is also a repeat
26:13
Hallmark print. Tiffany
26:15
Theson of Saved by the Bell, Tori
26:18
Belling of Beverly Hills, 90210, Tamara
26:21
Mowry-Housley of Tia and Tamara,
26:24
Patrick Duffy of Step by
26:26
Step, James Van Der Beek
26:28
of Dawson's Creek, and
26:31
Chad Michael Murray of One
26:33
Tree Hill. You
26:35
get the picture. Along
26:38
with casting former child stars,
26:41
the channel also adheres to
26:43
a strict nine-act structure that
26:46
very often features a beautiful
26:48
and neurotically driven career woman
26:50
from the big city who
26:53
leaves behind an unlikable business
26:55
boyfriend and then has to
26:57
live temporarily in a small
26:59
town for some themed reason.
27:02
She is clearly lacking the Christmas
27:04
spirit when she arrives in a
27:07
town stricken with Christmas. Then
27:09
comes a little meat cute with
27:11
the handsome handyman or baker or
27:14
Christmas tree farmer, who's often a
27:16
widower with a child. Shockingly, Hallmark
27:18
doesn't shy away from mentions of
27:20
spousal death. Then the woman and
27:22
the man do an almost kiss,
27:25
but then they're interrupted by some
27:27
version of a big business force
27:29
coming in to destroy whatever family-run
27:31
joint is the heart of the
27:33
town. But then the
27:35
community bonds together to vanquish
27:38
the modernizing forces, and
27:40
the woman and the man
27:42
finally kiss. But just once,
27:44
as she begins the process
27:46
of tapering her ambitions to
27:48
focus on family values in
27:50
this small town, on the
27:52
little things, the things that
27:54
matter, the things that
27:56
might be magic. we
28:00
have our stars and our plot, we
28:02
need our set. Despite
28:04
the implicit American-ness of these
28:07
movies, they're almost always shot
28:09
in the cutest Canadian small
28:11
towns they can find, the
28:14
producers sometimes going on actual
28:16
road trips to find hidden
28:18
gems with that perfectly quaint
28:21
downtown look. It's simply cheaper
28:23
to make movies in Canada.
28:25
It's also common
28:28
knowledge that if you are
28:30
a screenwriter, don't even try
28:33
to pass the execs a
28:35
script that isn't absolutely caked
28:37
in immaculate gnolls of bone
28:40
white snow. It's an
28:42
unspoken rule that there always
28:44
has to be snow, and
28:46
each movie is actually allocated
28:49
a budget of
28:51
$50,000 to make
28:53
that happen. Because
28:55
most of these winter movies
28:57
are actually shot during summer
29:00
days, so the snow is
29:02
mostly made of fabric snow
29:04
blankets, fire retardant foam, crushed
29:07
limestone, ice shavings, and
29:10
soap bubbles. This
29:12
also means that the actors are
29:14
forced to wear jackets and scarves
29:16
and hats and mittens in the
29:18
heat of the sun, which can
29:20
hit 100 degrees
29:22
in some locations, while
29:24
still keeping two mitten
29:26
hands wrapped around a
29:29
steaming mug of scalding
29:31
hot chocolate. The shoots
29:33
usually take 15 days and cost
29:35
$2 million of pop, with screenwriters
29:40
getting about $50,000 per
29:43
script, same as the snow budget. These
29:45
costs are not very high. When you
29:48
consider the $150 million the network makes
29:50
in ad revenue during November and
29:56
December alone. Specifically
29:58
trained set designers. also
30:01
come in to make sure
30:03
the films have that patented
30:05
hallmark feeling, just jamming as
30:07
much Christmas as possible into
30:09
every single frame. Characters
30:12
have to have special
30:14
Christmas bedsheets and special
30:16
Christmas hand towels, wreaths
30:19
and Christmas lights inside, including
30:21
in the bathroom, enormous
30:24
trees covered in fat
30:26
snakes of garland, and
30:28
ornaments the size of a
30:31
human head. Since
30:33
producers know that many people
30:35
keep the Hallmark Channel playing
30:37
in the background during the
30:39
Christmas season, they try to
30:41
make it so that at
30:43
any given moment that the
30:46
viewer passes the television set,
30:48
they will be stunned by
30:50
the joy pacified comfortably to
30:52
their very human core, with
30:54
sugarplums dancing in their heads,
30:57
along with that mid-priced
30:59
Cabernet. Am I right? It's
31:02
very clear that these movies are
31:04
family friendly. That point has been
31:06
driven home. But if
31:08
we remember their target demographic,
31:11
it ain't the kids they're trying to
31:13
draw in. And see,
31:15
these adult targeted movies have
31:17
more Christmas magic in them
31:20
than I personally feel comfortable
31:22
with. It seems
31:24
like someone's dad always turns out
31:27
to be Santa, or Santa is
31:29
the mysterious eccentric who had wandered
31:31
into the characters' lives to make
31:33
some kind of domestic magic happen,
31:36
like in the case
31:39
of matchmaker Santa starring
31:41
Lacey Chabert, actually meddling
31:43
in the affairs of humans
31:45
to make them fall in
31:47
love by just touching his
31:49
nose slyly with a little
31:51
stink. Often,
31:54
just like in Christmas under
31:56
wraps, these Santas shoot into
31:58
the starry bed, black skies
32:00
with a full fleet of
32:02
reindeer at the conclusion of
32:04
the film. The
32:07
main characters always received this
32:09
news with a gleeful little
32:12
gasp, whereas I would scream
32:14
as my very concept of
32:17
physical reality was torn violently
32:19
in half. Not
32:22
in Hallmark Town, just an
32:24
excited exclamation from the residents
32:27
and a hundred little side
32:29
smiles at the sky. Dad
32:32
really decided to get
32:34
into greeting cards instead of postcards
32:36
because although postcards had been a
32:38
means of communication, he
32:41
thought they were getting dirty in
32:43
content and would not
32:47
serve the purpose of social
32:49
communication, foul language
32:51
and what was then
32:53
nude looking women which today
32:56
would be considered completely clothed.
32:58
Of course, but
33:02
it was not aiming in the right direction as an
33:04
industry and I think it's proved to be right. Back
33:07
at the turn of the
33:10
20th century when Hallmark was
33:12
just a twinkle in the
33:14
eye of an uncommonly entrepreneurial
33:16
child, there wasn't a
33:18
lot of Christmas magic to be
33:20
had by unrich kids
33:23
who also did not enjoy
33:25
such frivolities as playing but
33:27
instead got to work straight
33:29
out of the womb, especially
33:32
if they were living with
33:34
single mothers like little Joyce
33:36
Clyde Hall was. Known
33:39
to his familiars as J.C.,
33:41
the boy showed his talent
33:43
for business early, starting his
33:45
career at the robust age
33:47
of eight years old, selling
33:50
makeup and fancy soap door
33:52
to door for a company
33:54
that would eventually become Avon.
33:58
At 14, he met a Chicago student. salesman
34:00
who convinced him to
34:02
enter the brand new
34:04
bustling postcard industry. And
34:07
he and his brothers scraped together their
34:09
teenage life savings, coming up with $540
34:11
to found the Norfolk postcard
34:17
company. Lucky for these
34:19
boys, postcards were becoming
34:21
a full-blown craze in
34:24
America. By
34:26
1902, mail was
34:29
suddenly being sent out and
34:31
also delivered straight to the
34:33
front doors of Americans, including
34:35
those in rural small towns.
34:38
Where, between 1905 and 1909, there was an 850% increase
34:45
in outgoing mail. As
34:47
World War I boomed and took
34:50
young men and fathers away from
34:52
their families, the demand for this
34:55
kind of loving communication was unprecedented,
34:57
and the Hall Brothers
34:59
would soon open a new company to keep
35:01
up with the demand. In 1928, they
35:04
began calling their ever-expanding
35:08
business Hallmark, and
35:11
the term Hallmark Holiday
35:13
soon entered popular vernacular.
35:16
Through the middle of the century,
35:19
Hallmark continued to grow at
35:21
an unprecedented rate, with the
35:23
boys opening stores all over
35:25
the country and popularizing the
35:27
revolutionary greeting card displays that
35:29
have become a staple of
35:31
grocery and drug stores all
35:33
over the world. By the
35:35
1940s, Hallmark
35:38
was printing one
35:40
million cards every single
35:42
day. But J.C. had
35:44
a bigger vision than
35:47
just greeting cards. In
35:50
1950, he wrote to his
35:52
sales team, quote, Dear fellows,
35:54
we're gonna try our hand
35:56
at television. And on Christmas
35:58
Eve, 1950, The
36:01
Hallmark Company partnered with
36:03
NBC to create the
36:05
very first live opera
36:08
written specifically for television.
36:11
They commissioned Italian-American composer Gian
36:13
Carlo Minotti, a longtime American
36:16
resident and pretty open homosexual,
36:18
to come up with an
36:20
original idea for the special.
36:24
Inspired by his own Santa
36:26
Claus-less childhood in Italy, as
36:28
well as what he saw
36:31
as an oversaturation of a
36:33
commercialized, Santa-fied holiday, he wrote
36:36
A Mall and the Night Visitors,
36:38
about three kings on their way
36:40
to see the child. I
36:43
saw three chills on Christmas
36:46
Day, on Christmas Day in
36:48
the morning. Millions
36:56
of Americans tuned in to
36:58
watch this opera live, and
37:00
by the next morning, millions
37:02
more would kick themselves for
37:05
missing the live show as
37:07
stories of its success dominated
37:09
newspaper headlines, including the front
37:11
page of the New York
37:13
Times. Though other productions
37:15
had appeared live during Christmas time,
37:17
there had not yet been a
37:19
tradition, and A Mall and the
37:22
Night Visitors became just that. They
37:24
aired the same opera year
37:26
after year, sometimes with
37:29
returning cast members, sometimes with
37:31
new performers as well. We
37:34
can look at this as
37:36
the first televised Christmas movie
37:39
tradition. The success
37:41
of the opera led to
37:43
J.C.'s idea to create the
37:46
Hallmark Hall of Fame, which
37:48
broadcasted classic theater adaptations of
37:51
Shakespeare and John Steinbeck and
37:53
Willa Cather in August Wilson.
37:57
Of the 200 productions they put out over the next
37:59
year, they were able to create a series several decades,
38:01
Hallmark received 81 Emmys,
38:04
nine Golden Globes, and a
38:06
whole bunch of Peabody and
38:09
Christopher awards. J.C.
38:11
retired in 1966 and
38:14
handed the company over to
38:16
his son Donald Hall, who
38:18
continued to pump out these
38:21
classy TV specials until, well,
38:23
America stopped being interested.
38:27
The first CEO outside of
38:29
the Hall family was Irv
38:31
Hockaday, who made some major
38:33
changes to the company's direction
38:35
when he took over in
38:37
the 80s when
38:39
Reagan-era Christian conservatism influenced
38:41
family-friendly sitcoms like Full
38:43
House, like The Wonder
38:45
Years, like the cheesy
38:47
after-school specials that would,
38:50
in turn, deliver Hallmark
38:52
its future stars. Then
38:56
in 1992, Hallmark merged
38:58
with infamous fundamentalist Reverend
39:01
Jerry Falwell Sr.'s American
39:04
Christian television service, and
39:06
with another called Vision
39:08
Interface Satellite Network, which
39:10
was all renamed the
39:12
Family and Values Channel.
39:15
By 1999, the channel was
39:18
taken over by Hallmark and
39:20
the Jim Henson Company and
39:22
became geared toward kids with
39:25
Muppet content as well as
39:27
original miniseries like Gulliver's Travels
39:29
and Merlin, right alongside a
39:32
whole bunch of Christian broadcasts.
39:35
But by 2001, the company
39:37
bought the entire network, and
39:39
the Hallmark channel was born.
39:42
Over time, they started to trim
39:44
back the explicitly religious content
39:47
to make the network palatable
39:49
for a broader audience while
39:52
still trying to honor similar
39:54
values, towing the
39:56
line. From
40:00
our admirers back in the States that sent
40:03
him on a journey I already have family
40:05
in town. Just passing through. to find his
40:07
destiny. You think it's a little odd that
40:09
a grown man would travel this far, B.
40:12
Cart. One simple axe will change
40:14
two lives. This card brought him
40:16
through the city? No, you do.
40:19
Edward Asner in a Hallmark
40:21
Channel original movie, The Christmas
40:24
Guard. Hallmark put
40:26
out their first major movie
40:28
production in 2006 called
40:31
The Christmas Card. Which centers
40:33
around a young soldier stationed
40:35
in Afghanistan. Who receives a
40:38
mysterious card in the mail
40:40
from a mystery woman. And
40:42
becomes determined to find her
40:45
when he returns home. The
40:48
Christmas Card was an absolute
40:50
smash. With 5 million viewers
40:52
tuning in. A record-breaking
40:55
moment for the Hallmark Company.
40:58
After seeing the success
41:00
of this feel-good, mildly
41:02
patriotic romance. The landmark
41:04
Countdown to Christmas officially
41:06
began on the channel.
41:08
With original movies airing
41:10
every day from October
41:12
25th. All the
41:15
way until early January. Under
41:17
the instruction of CEO, Bill
41:19
Abbott. The holiday
41:21
made-for-TV movie Industrial Complex
41:23
had officially kicked into
41:26
gear. Year after
41:28
year, Hallmark raked in more
41:30
and more of that cookie
41:32
dough. Slinging out
41:35
more and more half-baked
41:37
treats. Like 2016's Christmas
41:39
Cookies. Set in the
41:42
town of Cookie Jar. Where
41:44
a cookie businesswoman is sent
41:46
to buy and shut down
41:48
the local cookie factory to
41:50
replace it with a corporate cookie chain.
41:53
But instead, she falls in
41:55
love with the factory's owner
41:57
and decides, yes. Her home.
42:00
heart belongs in
42:02
cookie jar. It takes little
42:04
bit of love to make something really
42:06
special. Christmas cookie. On
42:09
Hallmark Channel. More
42:13
after this. And
42:18
now, back to the show. Where
42:21
is everybody? Oh, is there something great showing on TV?
42:24
Premieres Sunday, November 26th at 8
42:26
on Lifetime. Of
42:28
course, other networks were
42:30
monitoring Hallmark's merry,
42:33
meteoric rise to
42:35
Christmas success. And
42:37
they were looking for new ways
42:39
to compete. Second
42:41
to Hallmark in the made-for-TV movie
42:44
industry is the company's
42:46
evil twin, their cooler, cigarette-smoking
42:48
cousin who seems to know
42:50
everything there is to know
42:53
about serial killers. And
42:55
you know, the far more
42:58
gritty Lifetime Network, which is
43:00
always specialized in tantalizing tales
43:02
of suburban murders and wayward
43:05
teenagers. But when it
43:07
comes to Christmas movies, Lifetime has actually
43:09
been in the game even longer
43:11
than Hallmark, starting all the way back in
43:14
the late 1990s. They
43:17
too have used many familiar stars
43:19
from Gen X and Millennial childhoods,
43:21
crowning their own Candace Cameron beret
43:24
in the moderately conservative Christmas
43:26
queen Melissa Joan
43:28
Hart of Clarissa Explains It All
43:31
and Sabrina the Teenage Witch, who
43:33
now stars in as many as
43:36
three films a year. To be
43:39
honest, I like her movies a lot more,
43:41
especially Holiday in
43:43
Handcuffs, which is an
43:45
absolute delight. Though
43:48
Lifetime saw more and more success
43:50
with their growing slate of Christmas
43:52
movies, Hallmark remained confident. Until
43:56
a far bigger company with
43:58
far deeper possibilities. pockets darkened
44:01
the doorway of their corner
44:04
office. In the
44:06
year of our Christmas movie
44:09
wars 2017, Netflix released A
44:11
Christmas Prince, which was a
44:13
total knockoff of another subgenre
44:16
of Hallmark movie not yet
44:18
mentioned, regular woman and royal
44:20
man fall in love. It
44:23
was a smash hit, leading to A
44:25
Christmas Prince 2 and 3. Time
44:29
and Netflix not only took
44:32
note of Hallmark's winning formula,
44:34
but also of its
44:36
blind spots, as
44:38
a growing chorus of tweets
44:40
called out Hallmark's character limitations,
44:42
like the fact that they
44:44
had never had a black
44:46
lead in any of their
44:48
movies and nary a
44:51
gay to be seen. The
44:54
Christmas movie wars were raging
44:56
as Lifetime and Netflix went
44:59
for the company's jugular, when
45:02
they spied with their little
45:04
eyes, something beginning with D.
45:07
That's right, diversity. Lifetime
45:11
offered up gay leads in
45:14
2020's The Christmas Setup, in which
45:16
an uptight lawyer from New York
45:19
goes home to visit his mother,
45:21
Fran Drescher, for Christmas, where he
45:23
reconnects with his high school crush
45:26
and then has to decide whether
45:28
to choose this new small town
45:31
life or take the promotion he
45:33
was offered in London. Then
45:36
Netflix countered with The
45:38
Happiest Season, starring Kristen
45:40
Stewart playing a woman visiting her girlfriend's
45:43
super rich family house for Christmas, who's
45:45
told only moments before that she has
45:47
not yet come out to her parents
45:50
and they have to pretend to be
45:52
friends for the duration of the trip.
45:55
And of course, stressful
45:57
but hilarious hijinks ensue.
46:00
Hallmark also offered up
46:02
gay characters in 2020's
46:04
The Christmas House, but
46:07
it's never explicitly stated that
46:09
that is what they are.
46:12
But this year, Hallmark has
46:14
finally caught up with the
46:17
premiere of their first gay
46:19
leads in The Holiday Sitter,
46:22
starring the openly gay Jonathan
46:24
Bennett, aka Mean Girls' Erin
46:26
Samuels, as a
46:29
workaholic with a handsome
46:31
neighbor. And hear this,
46:33
Hallmark has even been putting out
46:35
Hanukkah movies, like 2020's Love Lights
46:39
Hanukkah, starring Mia Kirshner,
46:41
aka Jenny Schechter from
46:44
The L Word, and
46:47
Ben Savage, also known as
46:49
Corey Matthews of Boy Meets
46:51
World. That's a couple I
46:53
never thought I'd see. After
46:56
Lifetime had been making Christmas films with
46:58
Black leads since 2013, it took Hallmark
47:02
until 2018, when Jerika Hinton
47:05
starred in Memories of Christmas,
47:07
in which she plays a
47:09
workaholic who falls in love
47:12
with a professional Christmas decorator.
47:15
Under new leadership, they're now putting
47:17
out four or five a year
47:19
with Black or biracial couples. When
47:22
it comes to diversity in real
47:25
life, Wanya Lucas is quick to
47:27
give credit to the many people
47:29
at Hallmark who have long been
47:31
pushing for more diversity before she
47:33
got there, and the
47:35
very diverse group who have
47:37
always worked behind the scenes.
47:40
If you think these movies
47:42
are written exclusively by a
47:44
group of Christian goody-two-shoes doped
47:46
up on whimsy, you'd be
47:49
wrong. Nippie and Neil
47:51
Dabrowski are a Jewish couple who've written
47:53
over 30 made-for-TV movies,
47:55
mostly for Hallmark. Prolific
47:58
Christmas King. Ron Oliver
48:01
is openly gay and has
48:03
had multiple number one hits
48:05
on the channel, also directing
48:08
Netflix's Falling for Christmas this
48:10
year, which included Lindsay Lohan's
48:13
triumphant Return. It's
48:15
fantastic. Ron also
48:17
directed the horror movie Prom
48:19
Night 2 and he
48:21
used to work on Are You Afraid of
48:24
the Dark, including on two of my favorite
48:26
episodes, The Tale of Laughing in the Dark
48:28
and The Tale of the Gasly Grinner. A
48:31
surprising number of Hallmark writers,
48:33
directors, and producers also work
48:36
in horror, including Peter Sullivan,
48:38
who directed Christmas Under Wraps,
48:40
but we'll learn more about
48:42
that next week. All
48:45
of this is to say that
48:47
the heart of each Hallmark movie
48:49
may not be as conservative as
48:51
we would assume. Even
48:53
the writer and director of
48:56
the first traditional Hallmark Christmas
48:58
movie opera was gay. But
49:02
prior to the Christmas movie wars,
49:04
all of this was happening behind
49:06
the scenes, hidden away
49:08
from an audience that might flee
49:10
at the first sight of such
49:13
liberalized corruption. There
49:18
is a major
49:20
conflict at the heart of
49:24
the Hallmark postcard
50:00
craze of the early 1900s
50:03
that buoyed J.C. Hall into
50:06
the annals of business history,
50:08
we can see that the
50:10
scenes that appeared most often
50:13
on the cherished cardstock were
50:15
of mistletoe, Santa Claus, sleighs,
50:17
but also of snowy churches,
50:21
bucolic countryside, and
50:23
small-town main streets.
50:26
Just like little old-fashioned
50:28
Hallmark movies frozen in
50:31
a single frame, but
50:33
the postcards almost never
50:35
showed images of the city.
50:39
During the time of the
50:42
postcard craze, people in rural
50:44
areas had been hit hard
50:46
by the Industrial Revolution that
50:48
left farmers and family-run businesses
50:51
in shambles. Out
50:54
of necessity and a hope
50:56
for a better life, the
50:58
children of these small towns
51:00
started moving away at unprecedented
51:02
rates to look for factory
51:04
jobs and faraway metropolises. And
51:07
by 1910, the total
51:09
population in American cities
51:12
actually surpassed the total rural
51:14
population. It was
51:16
hard for families to cope
51:18
with these losses while also
51:20
facing the powerlessness that many
51:23
felt against modernization.
51:25
According to historian Daniel
51:28
Gifford, author of American
51:30
holiday postcards, imagery, and
51:32
context, rural Americans were
51:35
quote, circulating an idealized
51:37
version of themselves. Political
51:40
science professor Paul Musgrave wrote
51:42
in 2020 quote, what Christmas
51:46
movies show is that the world
51:48
Americans want to live in isn't
51:50
the world they've
51:53
made. Most Americans live
51:55
in suburbs, but holiday movies
51:57
exist in a world of
51:59
smoke. Most
52:01
Americans work in low-status service jobs,
52:03
but holiday movies promise that fulfilling
52:06
work is just one true meaning
52:08
of Christmas away. Giant
52:11
corporations, loyal only to profits, dominate
52:15
the real economy, but Christmas
52:17
movie economies run on small
52:19
businesses deeply
52:22
embedded in their societies. I
52:28
think it's fair to say that a
52:30
good chunk of us, no
52:32
matter who we are, are
52:34
dealing with a serious sense
52:37
of disillusionment. As
52:39
pointed out in the essay, Nostalgia
52:42
Relieves the Disillusioned Mind,
52:44
published in 2021, quote,
52:47
disillusionment arises when
52:49
life experiences strongly
52:52
discredit positive assumptions
52:54
or deeply held
52:56
beliefs. Under these conditions,
52:58
people feel lost, confused,
53:01
disconnected from their social
53:04
environments. However, the
53:06
past can provide solace as
53:08
a refuge of meaning and
53:10
social connection. Indeed,
53:13
nostalgic reflection is a
53:15
commonly cited source of
53:17
meaning in most. Lifetime,
53:21
Netflix, and all the other
53:23
streaming services have certainly
53:25
seen success with their own holiday
53:27
movies, but they
53:29
know that it's probably impossible that they'll
53:31
ever beat out Hallmark because
53:34
of their century-old brand that
53:37
evokes nostalgic feelings and a great deal
53:39
of Americans. They
53:41
know that Hallmark basically owns
53:43
Christmas. They
53:45
literally invented wrapping paper.
53:48
But no matter how our heart feels about
53:51
them, they are still
53:53
a megacorporation with a bottom line,
53:55
and those of us who fall
53:57
under the super-fun banner of... diversity,
54:00
see ourselves either being
54:03
a liability to profits or
54:06
a chance to leverage an
54:08
untapped market. It's not much
54:10
more complicated than that. Back
54:13
when former Hallmark CEO Bill Abbott
54:15
was under fire for that gay
54:17
wedding ad controversy, he told a
54:19
journalist that their movies were, quote,
54:21
your place to go to get
54:24
away from politics, to get away
54:26
from everything in your life that
54:28
is problematic and negative, and to
54:30
feel like there are people out
54:32
there who are good human beings
54:34
that could make you feel happy
54:37
to be a part of the
54:39
human race. It
54:42
seems that getting away from
54:44
politics now requires getting away
54:47
from each other. This
54:49
sentiment, the dedication to
54:51
making family-friendly content that
54:53
is safe for the
54:56
family, implies that by
54:58
virtue of being seen
55:00
strolling down a snowy
55:02
main street, we are
55:04
some kind of threat
55:06
to families. These
55:09
channels' dedication to staying
55:11
apolitical also means that
55:13
we can't exist apart
55:15
from what our life
55:17
means to the narratives
55:19
of the culture and
55:21
business wars. When
55:24
asked why he is so
55:27
good at what he does,
55:29
Hallmark director Ron Oliver told
55:31
the LA Times, quote, I
55:33
think it's because I understand
55:36
that under all of the
55:38
ridiculously commercialized nonsense, the bright
55:40
colors and the sparkling lights
55:42
we wrap the holidays in,
55:45
it's always about heart. Every
55:48
Christmas story boils down to
55:50
somebody telling somebody else they
55:52
love them. Here's
55:55
current CEO, Lanya Lucas,
55:57
again. You
56:00
know, it is about love, right? And
56:02
a sense of hope and optimism,
56:04
which are universal themes, regardless
56:07
of who you are in this world,
56:09
which is why I love this brand so much. I haven't worked
56:11
on a lot of brands like that. And
56:14
so given who we are, she
56:17
also promises that no matter what
56:19
changes take place at Hallmark, at
56:21
the end of their movies, everything
56:24
will always work. This
56:28
love that today's variety
56:30
of Hallmarkian masterminds have
56:32
expressed, no matter how
56:35
cheesy, how corny, how
56:37
cliche and how problematic,
56:40
is a biological instinct
56:42
that rivals hunger and
56:44
thirst, the drive to
56:46
form something equivalent to
56:48
a Hallmark small town.
56:52
The communities we dream of
56:54
being a part of are
56:56
certainly very different depending on
56:58
who we are. But I
57:00
do think that many of
57:02
us, surrounded as we are
57:04
by so much vicious fragmentation,
57:07
dream of a life at least
57:09
a little like this. Nothing
57:11
fancy, a place like
57:13
Garland, where we have everything we
57:16
need, something
57:18
out of reach for so
57:20
many different kinds of Americans
57:22
in both rural and urban
57:24
areas. Just a
57:26
place where the town will band
57:29
together to stop the megacorporations that
57:31
threaten the community through
57:34
acts of merry solidarity,
57:37
wielding the Christmas spirit like
57:39
a fist. A
57:41
place where friends and families
57:44
are no longer torn apart,
57:46
irrevocably, by culture wars, where
57:49
all our griefs and
57:51
all our disillusionments are
57:53
settled firmly in the
57:55
past. A place where we
57:57
will find new love. that
58:00
will remind us of how
58:02
it felt when we believed,
58:05
making us nostalgic for the
58:07
times when it felt like
58:09
we still could. God,
58:13
listen to me, I have
58:15
been watching way too many Hallmark
58:17
movies. This
58:22
was American Hysteria.
58:25
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58:49
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58:51
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58:53
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58:56
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58:58
by Riley Smith and
59:00
co-edited and produced by
59:02
Miranda Zickler. Thanks as
59:04
always for listening and may
59:07
none of our family members be
59:10
Santa because that sounds
59:13
really stressful. I
59:16
hope you have a great week.
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