Welcome to AWORLDWITHOUTDEBT. Karl and I are obsessed with THINGS! We believe luxury is in the mind. I believe in bitcoin, Karl is still learning., Huge advocates of #justdealwithit (we're trying to make it a thing) and please stop voting! These "politicians" "represent" "you" for a very long time! Karl and I aka Judy and Daphne or Dorothy and Gwendolyn discuss very important issues laying firmly in the Realm of Certainty. You know, Plato's cave, Knowledge and Reality vs Illusion and Belief, Eiffel Tower, all that stuff. We love drama, crying, the beauty of redemption and why designer handbags save lives and bring families together. Much like the ones my old boss tried to kill me with. But the entire podcast is all about fun and if you want something that's not focussed on BS politics, the big lobbies or what's in the press then you've come to the right place. Beatrice and I, or Myrtle and I, will guide you through the nuances of thinking for yourself and how it only took 35 years to get here.