Sometimes the things we think will be the easiest -- relationships, communication, empathy -- actually take a lot of work.

Guest: Figs O'Sullivan, empathi.com

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Promo: Don't Wreck Yourself
Disclaimer: E.T.
Art: Julia
Music: Jake Pierle -- https://jakepierle.bandcamp.com/

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