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Welcome to the Left Glove

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morphist podcast.

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With me, Coach Bronson and me,

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Coach Natt, where we peel back the curtains

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and reveal the truth behind hot topics in

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health and fitness.

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This is Keto Fitness at Life.

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Unfiltered. What's going on, everybody?

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It's Coach Bronson and Coach Nat coaching. How are you today?

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I'm doing good.

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Doing good. You got a busy day today.

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I went to hot yoga this morning.

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Hot yoga?

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You went shopping, got all the foods.

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Tell them about what you found on a deal for

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me.

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All the meats today.

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Oh, my gosh. I'm actually doing a real about this because I

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found quite a few great deals at Lidl, if

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that's how you pronounce it.

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Is it lidl? Little lidl. LDL.

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If anybody knows how that store

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is meant to be pronounced, please let us know.

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But it is the closest to where we live right

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now.

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We have a Whole Foods right next door and a

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Lido right across the street.

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You need to give a finger just

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to walk into Whole Foods because you're going

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to get an arm and leg on the way out.

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We have the bougie store and we

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have the budget friendly store.

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So I went to the budgetfriendly. That's my favorite place to shop now.

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And I found some new things today and some

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really great deals and some of our favorites.

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So I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that.

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The lamb legs, whole boneless lamb legs and

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legs roast, $5 a pound.

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That is half off.

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Usually £99 is actually really good for a lamb

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leg anyway.

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Typically if you walk into a whole food, it'd

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probably be twelve or 13 easy.

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So 999 would have been great per pound.

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But usually I'm dissuaded because you're buying a three pound leg or something like

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that and it adds up quickly.

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So $5 a pound.

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I was like, you are kidding me.

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I'm not boneless.

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That's boneless, right?

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So you don't have bone.

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You're taken out like that's all meat.

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So I bought about £10 and it's all going in

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the crock pot tonight.

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Nice. Do you think you can get

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all of it?

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I think so. We have a pretty large crockpot.

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Yeah. Well, we eat a lot of meat.

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We do.

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All right. And what did I do today?

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What did I do today?

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You went to brunch.

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Oh, I did. I went to brunch. We have somebody that was in kathy and her

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husband were up from Arizona because her

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daughter is getting married this weekend. So they're a member of my challenge in my

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groups. They're like, hey, we're in town. Do you want to come out brunch?

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So we went to first watch, got some extra

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eggs, got some great sausage.

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That's his favorite.

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Oh, my God. I might have

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overeaten it just a little bit, I think.

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You still haven't had another meal today?

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I haven't, no. That's pretty much it. That's what I've had pretty much all day.

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So it was good. It was good. Nine eggs, six lengths of sausage.

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Wow, it was good. I'm feeling really satisfied and satiated

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right now. Call back to our last episode.

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Alright, what are we talking about today?

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Today we're talking about a hot topic today

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we're going to talk about metabolic

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flexibility, what it is, and if you need to

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worry about it, if it's something that

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actually matters in the big picture or not.

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We hear a lot of people talking about the need

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to flex between fuel sources, fuel systems,

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carbs and fats and all of these things.

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And I think there's really a lot of confusion.

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One, because how people understand metabolic

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flexibility is different because there are

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actually different ways to use the term based

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on the context of where you're coming from and

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what you're trying to do. But then also when you have people who are

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keto influencers, who have based their message

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on carbs are not essential.

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Ketosis is what we're meant to be in.

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It's our natural state when we're born

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ketogenic and being fat burners is the best

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for our health.

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To then also be saying what you might want to

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throw in some carbs.

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So you're flexible at same time. Like what?

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Like your brain kind of just stops for a

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second and it's like a glitch in the matrix.

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That's how I look at it. Because to me, if you're saying that keto is

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the way to be, then keto is the way to be.

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It doesn't make sense to say keto is the way to be.

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We don't need carbs except when we do.

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Are you on the same sheet of music there,

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Krishna?

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Well, Coach Bronson gets into

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the definitions of metabolic flexibility.

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There's one piece that I latch onto and how I

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first understood metabolic flexibility was

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from a primal standpoint, the way Mark system

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talks about it.

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And it's that learning to burn fat as fuel is

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how we become metabolically flexible because

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we have been burning carbs our entire lives.

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Yes.

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So what makes us think we need

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to go back to carbs to learn to be

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metabolically flexible?

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Right?

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How we become metabolically

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flexible is learning to not rely on carbs.

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Yes, absolutely. That's the change, that's the process.

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And as we dig into the different definitions,

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there are three definitions that we've

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identified format about flexibility.

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They're very different, they are used very

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differently and they all have very different

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applications and things like that.

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But as we dig into those, you'll see what we

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mean when we say that true metabolic

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flexibility is all about letting your body do

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the work.

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Oh, I like that.

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That's really where we're going to boil down to. So you'll see what we talk about when we get

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to that. So the first definition we're going to go

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through, what do you think we should just kind

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of go through here's definition number one.

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One of the ways that we hear people talk about metabolic flexibility.

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Go through some thoughts and stuff there.

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Then we'll go to the next one. Or the next one. Okay, that works.

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Yes, we did plan this ahead, everybody. Just so you know, sometimes we get into rants

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and we go on side tangents that are completely

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unplanned. But even though it may sound like we're

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rambling, we do actually have somewhat of an

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outline.

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Getting back to something, we do have.

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Some point we're trying to make.

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We will get back to the point

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eventually.

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Eventually. All right, definition number one.

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I've heard people use bed flexibility in the

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conversations around eating carbs and that we

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should be good at digesting and assimilating

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and pulling nutrients from carbohydrates,

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plant based sources in order to honestly, I

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don't know what the real reason or why they

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say that we should do this. And here's why I say that.

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The ideas that we need carbs to okay, we're

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going to go I'm going to backtrack a little

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bit. The things that I've heard people say that we

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need, even though we don't need carbs, they're

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not essential, but that we should have carbs

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to do. Because if we're ketogenic for too long, if

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we're in ketosis for too long, these are

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things that are going to be a problem.

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Thyroid, testosterone, leptin help control

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leptin resistance, which we talked about.

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And another thing, and there's one other one,

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it totally just left my mind.

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Metabolic rate, metabolic efficiency.

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So the idea that if we don't have fat, then

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our body actually slows down burning fat,

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that's actually what that's actually one of

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the reasons why people say we need carbs.

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So that if we have carbs, it helps us burn

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more fat. You should see the look on her face right now.

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I am so perplexed.

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Exactly. And then the other one is cortisol.

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That because if we're in ketosis all the time,

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our body has to raise cortisol in order to

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trigger the gluconeogenesis to make glucose.

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So that elevated cortisol is in a good thing.

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We need carbs to drop our cortisol. All that kind of stuff.

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I will just tell you that I have seen nothing

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in evidence of anyone I've worked with where

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any of those things are actually a thing. Now, there are people out there who have much

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bigger practices than I do, who have said that

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they have seen cases where someone was having

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a problem with elevated cortisol or their

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inflammation markers went up as well as their

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HPA and things like that. And that introducing some carbs help bring all

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that stuff down, whatever that mechanism was.

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I think there are other ways to do that. We've talked about protein does the same

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thing.

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I was just thinking exactly

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that you could do the same thing with protein.

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You can do the same thing with protein. So there's a lot of different ways.

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But it boils down to the first thing I talk

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about at the beginning of if we're saying that

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being in ketosis, that being ketogenic

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primarily because it's not really about

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ketosis, that being Ketogenic is the way that

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we're meant to be and we don't need carbs,

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then it doesn't make logical sense to say,

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until being ketogenic is unhealthy, then we

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need carbs.

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It just doesn't make sense to me. And just in case anyone is wondering, this

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episode might be a lot more of me talking,

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because this is a topic that I get inspired

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and wildly passionate about this, because one

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thing that I don't like in anything, really,

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and that is when people make things overly

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complicated, and it makes it hard for people

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to understand and implement practical things

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in their lives.

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If you're telling people one plus one equals

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two, you can't say, until it doesn't, and then

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it equals three, but only this.

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And when the sky is blue, it's four.

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One plus one equals one, or it doesn't.

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This isn't algebra, guys, that we're doing

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here. This is math. This is a simple thing. It doesn't have to be complicated.

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So getting back to the idea that metabolic

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flexibility that we need to somehow maintain

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an ability to process plant based foods in

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order to be optimal, again, that statement

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when I say it that way, that doesn't sound

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logical to me either, because our body is not

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good. No matter how long have we been eating plant

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based foods and how sick are we, right?

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How long were you eating plants where you

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removed a lot of plants, and then when you

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removed all the plants, everything got better.

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You got optimal health. You got closer to optimal health.

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I mean, like, all of us, our

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entire lives, we were doing that until we

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weren't, right?

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So if you have gone carnivore, whether you've

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been carnivore for four months or four years,

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that's still a tiny fraction of your life that

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you've spent this way. All of us spent 30 plus most of us even reach

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this until we were at least in our 30s, if not

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later.

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So we're talking three decades you spent.

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Eating standard American diet

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or plants or veggies that you have to get your

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veggies in, whatever it may be. So the idea when we talk about metabolic

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flexibility from a food intake, digestibility,

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gut health, hormone management, any of that

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kind of stuff, all of those things, can there

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be issues when we talk about ketosis?

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That's a different conversation. I'll probably be doing a video on my own

12:20

channel about long term ketosis, and that that

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is different than what we're talking about

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with being able to process plant based foods.

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If we're not doing it and we get better, how

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do we get healthier?

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By doing it right?

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It just doesn't make sense to me. That's like telling an alcoholic that he needs

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to be alcohol flexible by every once in a

12:40

while going to the bar and having a shot.

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Yeah, that would be a really

12:49

great analogy it's like saying, well, to make

12:54

sure your liver can still process the alcohol.

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Right?

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Give your body some alcohol

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every once in a while just to make sure.

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Just to make sure like what?

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That doesn't make any sense. I guarantee your liver will function better if

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you never take another sip of that 110%.

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So that's the one thing about

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this.

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And then the other thing about this is that

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both of us are looking at each other as we're

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having this conversation, trying to find a way

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to say this in a way that makes sense, because

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I can't think of I've heard people say that we

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need carbs so that we're better we need to eat

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plants so that we maintain the ability to eat

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plants.

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But if I'm not eating plants, why do I care?

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Well, there you go.

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There's the crux. If you're not eating plants and you've

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committed to not eating plants the rest of

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your life, then you wouldn't care. And there's a whole community of carnivores

13:51

out there that are committed to doing this for

13:51

the rest of their lives, generally, because

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they've gotten miraculous results on it, and

13:56

they wouldn't dream of going back because they

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can feel the difference. They're still very connected to where they

14:07

were before they went carnivore and what

14:07

carnivore has done for them, and they wouldn't

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even dream of eating a plant again for the

14:12

rest of their life.

14:16

Raising my hand.

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Right now, the only place this

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comes up is people who want to eat plants

14:25

again. They are not fully invested and committed to

14:29

the carnivore lifestyle, so they are looking

14:29

for justification.

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I think I figured out the word I was looking

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for earlier.

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Confirmation bias.

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Confirmation bias. Yeah. There you go. They're looking for someone to say, it's okay.

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You should be not just okay,

14:44

but necessary, because now and here's the

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thing, people. Okay, you know what?

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This is unfiltered, right?

14:54

Get it?

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Here's my thing. Do what the F you want to do and be

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unapologetic about it.

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Bingo.

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If you want to ingest poison

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and you want to argue for putting poison in

15:08

your body, whether that is in the form of

15:08

drugs, alcohol, sugar, heavily processed

15:14

foods, or vegetables, say, I want to do this.

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I'm choosing to do this because it's what I

15:21

want to do.

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Yes.

15:23

Don't try to find some kind of

15:23

scientific reasoning or explanation for why

15:32

you're choosing to do this. Just own it.

15:36

Exactly. And this is one of the things we see with a

15:39

handful of influencers out there now who are

15:39

the reason I quit Keto, the reason I quit

15:44

Carnival, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like that's not the reason.

15:47

That's what you're saying. Because you want to get some views on YouTube

15:51

or Instagram or validation so you can get

15:51

people to say, oh, yeah, it worked for me,

15:56

too. Well, yeah, because you wanted to eat this other stuff.

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Go eat the other stuff. We don't need to justify our actions, just

16:00

like we don't need to justify why you went

16:04

carnivore in the first place to anybody. You don't need to justify why you get off of

16:08

it.

16:08

You know what?

16:08

I expect someone so much more if they just

16:11

said, I just missed asparagus and I wanted to

16:11

eat asparagus, so I started eating it again.

16:18

Yeah. You know who?

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Somebody who actually did that?

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I know who you're going to say.

16:22

I think dr. Peter Adia.

16:26

I thought you were talking

16:26

about Lily Kane.

16:31

I love her because she's so real and so honest

16:31

with what she does.

16:34

She just did a fruit experiment over.

16:39

Some stuff wasn't good. Some stuff was good.

16:41

She's always honest about her

16:41

experience.

16:44

She tells you about her symptoms and how these

16:44

things didn't work for her, but she was tired

16:49

of this, and she wanted to try that and be who

16:49

you are.

16:54

Exactly. But Dr. Peter Atya, he

16:54

basically said, look, I stopped keto because I

16:58

wanted some veggies. I wanted this, I wanted that.

17:00

Like, I missed it. We're real people, folks.

17:05

It's okay. Your priorities are your priorities.

17:09

So if you feel like you can afford your

17:09

health, can afford the decision, that is

17:15

absolutely your prerogative to do that.

17:19

So the justification or trying to find the

17:22

justification to make yourself feel better,

17:22

that's what it is about doing X, Y, or Z or

17:27

leaving keto or whatever else it is, it's

17:27

expended effort that really is unnecessary.

17:33

And let's be real. When most of us come to this lifestyle,

17:38

usually it is because we are struggling with

17:38

something health related that we are willing

17:46

to do anything to get to change.

17:48

Right? And for many of us, we have had it beaten into

17:50

our heads our entire lives that vegetables are

17:56

healthy for us. So when it comes down to making the lifestyle

18:00

change, of taking the veggies out, we still

18:00

hear that voice in our head, and for a long

18:05

time, you may be questioning this lifestyle,

18:05

and you may be questioning, well, still

18:14

feeling like you should be eating vegetables.

18:16

And I understand that feeling that way and

18:22

questioning. There are a lot of people out in the community

18:25

who latch onto these concepts because they're

18:25

questioning.

18:29

Yeah. They're not sure. And it's the same reason why I still take beef

18:34

liver sometimes, or I still do some other

18:34

supplements.

18:37

It's like fish oil, things like that. Because as much as I'm into all of this and

18:43

I've been doing it for four years, I'm super

18:43

happy with the results and everything else.

18:47

There's still that little voice in my head

18:47

that says, what about this?

18:51

And it's still meat based. I'm still doing everything carnivore ish.

18:56

Not that I really care. It is what it is.

18:58

But I still do every once in a while, you know

18:58

what?

19:02

Just to make sure that I'm getting everything

19:02

that I need, I'll do some beef liver tablets.

19:06

I'll do that for a few weeks, and then I'll

19:06

take a few weeks off, and then I'll do it

19:09

again. I'll do the fish oil capsules every once in a

19:12

while or take things like that just to have

19:12

that umbrella of security.

19:18

I like that. Yeah.

19:19

So that's kind of how I look at

19:19

it.

19:21

If that's what you feel about veggies, then by

19:21

all means, go for it.

19:25

But we've got to be honest. Here's the thing.

19:28

Most people consuming veggies, if you're truly

19:28

being present in your body, would admit and

19:38

all of my clients fall into this category

19:38

admit that they don't feel their best when

19:43

they're consuming veggies. They feel bloated, they feel uncomfortable,

19:48

they feel constipated.

19:53

They're not comfortable after that just

19:56

because.

19:56

They'Ve cut it out for so long

19:56

that their gut can't handle processing it

20:00

well.

20:01

And that's also I'll never

20:01

forget back in the day when I worked in a

20:05

traditional office and I had everything in

20:05

moderation, people.

20:12

Well, your body stops learning how to or stop

20:12

producing the enzymes to digest the thing when

20:20

you do an elimination.

20:21

Sure.

20:21

And that's accurate. Actually, when you stop consuming a food, it

20:26

only takes two weeks, 14 days for your

20:26

microbiome to shift.

20:32

So absolutely your body will not have the

20:32

enzymes it needs to break down.

20:39

Anything, whatever it is that

20:39

it used to eat, it doesn't need it.

20:41

That's why vegans get sick when

20:41

they consume meat.

20:46

They got to ease back into it

20:46

so their body can start doing what it needs to

20:50

do. Sure.

20:50

But your body will develop the

20:50

enzymes again to do that.

20:55

When you put it back in. Same thing. May only take 14 days for you to adjust again.

21:00

But does that mean that then 14 days later, or

21:07

a month later, after adding the veggies back

21:07

in, people feel better, and now all of a

21:11

sudden, they're digesting perfectly?

21:11

No. Most people that I know who have never

21:18

gone carnivore have never cut veggies out of

21:18

their diet, always feel bloated and

21:25

uncomfortable after meals. Women in particular are always stressing about

21:30

their lower belly and the bloat. That is the number one concern I hear all the

21:35

time from women. And they believe and they think that this is

21:39

just a reality of life that they have to deal

21:39

with.

21:42

Everyone I know who has gone carnivore, one of

21:42

the number one things I hear besides specific

21:52

medical things they have seen improve is no

21:52

more bloat.

21:57

No more bloat. Gas bloaty.

22:01

So women say bloat, guys say gas.

22:04

Yeah, same thing, guys. It's the same thing.

22:06

We fart and we're proud of it. Men are the only creatures, I think, that fart

22:12

and then look around and see if anybody

22:12

noticed, not because we're embarrassed, but

22:17

because we went out. We're looking for a credit.

22:20

Women look around hoping nobody

22:20

noticed.

22:23

Men look around hoping somebody noticed.

22:25

You want a high five? Give me a high five. Dang it.

22:28

All right. So that's definition number one. That's when we're talking about metabolic

22:32

flexibility, which technically, it's not

22:32

metabolically.

22:35

That's more about digestive and processing

22:35

plant based versus animal based foods.

22:40

But it really does go into the conversation a

22:40

lot when people think of metabolic

22:45

flexibility.

22:46

Yeah, that's more of the

22:46

argument for the gut microbiome diversity.

22:52

Exactly. It's more of a gut microbiome diversity thing,

22:54

which, again, if you're not planning on eating

22:54

meats or plants, and plants for the past 20

23:01

years have been making you sick, then I still

23:01

don't understand why you need to be good at

23:07

eating plants. The whole concept of this discussion, I almost

23:12

kind of like, why are we even having this

23:12

discussion?

23:14

It just doesn't make any sense to me to have

23:14

this argument.

23:18

I personally can say, since

23:18

going carnivore, I have never once craved a

23:23

vegetable.

23:24

Oh, my God. No.

23:25

Do I still crave sweet.

23:27

One time, yes. One time.

23:29

Yeah.

23:30

Corn about two years into

23:30

Carnivore.

23:35

That is the most random story.

23:38

Growing up in this area where my parents live.

23:42

Down the road from where they live is a local

23:42

farmers market like, side road vegetable

23:47

stand.

23:48

Okay.

23:49

They have the best silver queen

23:49

corn in the whole East Coast.

23:55

It's so good.

23:58

I'm almost thinking about going against them right now as we're talking about it, but there

24:00

was one time, I think about two and a half

24:05

years ago, where I went over to my parents for

24:05

dinner, and they had had some or somebody had

24:13

somebody had corn somewhere. Might not even my parents might have been

24:17

somewhere else. We went to a barbecue or something, and they

24:19

were cooking corn on the grill. And it just brought me back to the corn that

24:23

we used to have at my parents house. And I was sitting there, I'm like, I don't eat

24:27

veggies, but I really want some fucking corn.

24:32

It smells good. It looked good.

24:34

That is so interesting.

24:35

Yeah, that was one time.

24:37

I'm like, the only thing that

24:37

comes to mind is going to a restaurant, and

24:42

they have, like, early on, when I first

24:42

january, February, going out to restaurants

24:50

where they have the crispy Brussels sprouts

24:50

with bacon or whatever with the glaze.

24:57

Well, I hate the glaze. To me, the glaze ruins it because I want the

25:02

crunchy, salty, salty garlic sprouts.

25:08

But you know what? I can do that without the Brussels sprouts.

25:11

Right. Because when you think about it, the vegetable

25:11

is not the thing we enjoy.

25:15

Exactly. You're in my head, I was going to say the

25:20

thing about the corn. It's not about the corn. It's about the salt and the butter.

25:23

Yeah, exactly. This is what I always say about carbs.

25:30

Think about typical carbs. Potatoes, rice, bread, they're all bland

25:39

substances on their own. They have no flavor.

25:43

Right. 100%.

25:45

It's all about what you put on

25:45

them.

25:47

Ding, ding, ding.

25:48

And the biggest problem with

25:48

these carbs is nobody's eating the carb by

25:53

itself.

25:54

That's a whole other discussion. Carbs back together.

25:57

And carbs, because that's what

25:57

makes it taste good, is the fat and the salt,

26:01

which the fats and the salt without the carbs

26:01

are great for you.

26:06

Unless, of course, you're using industrial

26:06

seed oils, in which case oxidative damage,

26:13

high inflammation, leading to disease.

26:15

But if we're talking about natural fats, like

26:17

butter butter, tallow butter, butter in my

26:17

case, olive oil.

26:24

I'm a Greek girl. I haven't given up my olive oil.

26:27

Sorry, guys. I don't believe olive oil is trying to kill

26:30

me. But healthy fat and salt?

26:35

I just had pictures of a bunch

26:35

of olives on the table trying to run at you.

26:39

Sorry. No one will ever convince me to stop consuming

26:42

olive oil. Don't even try it.

26:46

But, yeah, the salt and the fats together are

26:46

amazing.

26:50

The reason they've been vilified is because

26:50

they are being consumed along with the starch.

26:56

And altogether, especially on a low protein

26:56

diet, which majority of standard American diet

27:04

people are on is a recipe for disaster.

27:07

Yeah, absolutely. All right, so that's the first area when we

27:11

talk about metabolic flexibility that you need

27:11

to be aware of.

27:15

And in our estimation, is it something people

27:15

need to worry about?

27:19

No.

27:20

Okay. No. All right.

27:22

Definition number two of metabolic flexibility.

27:27

This is one I think people don't know about or

27:30

don't talk about enough, primarily for one

27:30

reason.

27:34

Because usually the topic of metabolic

27:34

flexibility happens in the nutrition space.

27:39

And this definition of metabolic flexibility

27:39

is a fitness aspect.

27:44

It's exercise science. And that is the ability of our body to utilize

27:49

fuels based on the activity that we're doing.

27:52

So the efficiency of our body to go from

27:57

there's three metabolic pathways. There's phosphogenic or ATP fat pathway.

28:01

That's the energy that we use when we're doing

28:01

strength work.

28:04

Sprints, things like that. Then there's these glycolytic, short bursts.

28:09

Then there's the glycolytic pathway. That's glycogen.

28:11

That's when we're doing things that are high

28:11

intensity, shorter duration.

28:15

Not quite as short as a sprint, but that one

28:15

to two minute, three minute, ten minute hit

28:20

training kind of a thing. And then there's the oxidative or fat burning

28:24

pathway, which is the long endurance running

28:24

kind of thing.

28:27

Running, biking, swimming, that kind of stuff.

28:29

So the ability of our body to be efficient at

28:33

all three of those phases. To be good at burning fat when you're doing

28:37

that type of work. To be good at burning glycogen when you're

28:40

doing that kind of work. To be good at processing ATP when you're doing

28:43

that kind of work. That is a level of flexibility that our body

28:47

needs to be good at switching back and forth

28:47

or utilizing and being efficient.

28:53

You know what? It's not even a switching back and forth because we're always doing all three.

28:56

It's a capability of utilizing.

28:58

Right. We're always doing all three areas.

29:01

So it's how efficient is it?

29:01

That's where mitochondrial health really comes

29:07

in. So that's where being ketogenic is the best

29:11

way to be metabolically flexible from an

29:11

exercise science perspective, because the

29:16

healthier your mitochondria are, the better

29:16

they function.

29:19

The better they function, the better they

29:19

process in all three of those spaces of energy

29:23

utilization.

29:24

Converting the energy.

29:26

Yeah, not even converting, just

29:26

being able to use it.

29:28

Because we're assuming at this point in this

29:28

phase where we're working with the assumption

29:32

that the energy is there. So I have stored glycogen, I have fatty acids

29:36

or ketones available. I have ATP stored in the muscle.

29:39

So I just need to go grab it and use it.

29:42

Grab it and use it when I need to use it. And that's where accessing is a good way to

29:44

say it.

29:47

So this is one of the things where if you want

29:47

to be truly metabolically flexible, guess

29:54

what, folks?

29:54

You need to exercise and train your body in

29:59

all three phases of energy utilization.

30:03

What?

30:03

I have to exercise?

30:05

You got to exercise.

30:06

I thought I could do all this

30:06

with nutrition.

30:08

You can get skinny with

30:08

nutrition.

30:10

You cannot get healthy with nutrition.

30:14

Well, you can get healthier. If you guys have ever seen my slide where I

30:16

talk about what is health and where nutrition

30:22

gets us on the health perspective is a

30:22

baseline.

30:25

Just doing things based off nutrition is going

30:25

to get you back to where you were when you

30:29

were born. When you were born.

30:32

You're not strong. You're not coordinated.

30:34

You can't walk, you can't run, you can't do

30:34

things.

30:37

We don't want to be babies when we're 50 years

30:37

old, okay?

30:41

So we need to improve the physical aspects of

30:41

our lives to then actually empower us to be

30:47

physically independent and live a good quality

30:47

of life.

30:49

That's where fitness comes in, and that's

30:49

where getting your body to be efficient in

30:55

utilizing all three energy sources is super,

30:55

super, super important.

31:00

Okay?

31:00

That's one of the reasons why we say build

31:04

muscle and be ketogenic.

31:07

Because when you build we were talking essentially what metabolic flexibility from an

31:09

exercise science perspective is a fancy way of

31:15

saying it's having a well functioning

31:15

metabolism.

31:20

That's all it is.

31:21

Makes sense.

31:22

It's healthy mitochondria.

31:25

It's a lot of lean mass and muscle mass

31:27

because muscle drives your metabolism. So the more muscle you have, the better you

31:31

are managing and utilizing energy.

31:34

That's all there is to it. So you want to do whatever you can to build

31:35

muscle.

31:38

This is one of the reasons why we don't say do

31:38

a bunch of cardio, right?

31:44

Doing cardio is fantastic. And don't get me wrong, guys, cardio should be

31:50

part of everybody's fitness routine.

31:54

It should not be the only thing you're doing.

32:03

Just going to let that one sit for a second. Let that one sink in.

32:08

Because here's what happens. Cardio and I love this analogy.

32:11

We talked about this the other day. While you're doing cardio, you.

32:16

Are simulating what your body wants to do.

32:18

24/7. You're simulating that energy efficiency, that

32:21

energy utilization, but it only happens while

32:26

you're doing cardio. As soon as you stop doing cardio, your body

32:30

stops processing energy the same way with the

32:30

intensity and the requirement of efficiency

32:36

that you get because you're performing. So when you have added muscle, when you have

32:39

added strength, when your body is demanding

32:39

more energy and more utilization all the time,

32:45

it gets better doing it. How do we make a system better?

32:47

We make the system better by giving it a

32:47

demand and telling it that it needs to get

32:52

better. That's pretty much it.

32:56

So if you want to have more energy, if you

32:56

want to be stronger, and if you want to you're

33:04

ready for this one. Increase autophagy.

33:08

If you want to increase insulin sensitivity,

33:08

if you want to increase metabolic rate, if you

33:15

want to do all of the things that somehow

33:15

match what fasting does, then you need to

33:23

exercise. That's a topic for another day.

33:26

I'll just drop that one here. So what do you think about that exercise from

33:34

the standpoint of being efficient and making

33:34

your body better at accessing the fuel?

33:43

This is where adaptation comes into play. And you know it's happening when you go

33:47

through the phases of adaptation. That's what keto adaptation is.

33:52

Your body is getting better at utilizing the

33:52

fuels that you want it to use.

33:57

Now, if I take this coach that and I tell you

33:57

that this is where we talk about real

34:05

metabolic flexibility, if we are ketogenic and

34:05

we're not ingesting carbs you were talking

34:16

about this in the kitchen earlier. We're not ingesting carbs.

34:18

Your body is forced to utilize fat and then

34:18

carbs that we have in our body because we

34:27

don't have access, we're not shoving it in our

34:27

face.

34:30

Right.

34:30

So if we're shoving it in our

34:30

face, then the access of fuel from.

34:34

Our body doesn't need to tap

34:34

into that.

34:37

Exactly. So that efficiency is gone.

34:40

Yeah.

34:40

So again, true metabolic

34:40

flexibility from an exercise science

34:44

perspective is being able to access your

34:44

body's stores of fuel, not having to eat fuel

34:54

in order to have energy.

34:58

Right.

35:00

That's the key. So accessing your body's sources of fuel, body

35:04

fat, stored, glycogen it's there because your

35:04

body wants to use it, you don't have to eat

35:10

it. All that goes for excess fat as well.

35:14

Yeah.

35:16

Okay.

35:17

If it's constantly giving your

35:17

body exogenous fuel, putting more fuel in,

35:24

like, we use the gas tank analogy on our last

35:24

episode to talk about why do you need to top

35:35

off the tank?

35:35

We're not going to go top off the tank.

35:38

Every time we leave the house, we wait until

35:38

we're sufficiently low on fuel and then need

35:44

to refuel to add more gas to the tank.

35:48

Right.

35:48

Same thing with your body. Why do you need to continuously top off the

35:55

fuel when you have plenty to work off of.

35:58

Exactly. Plenty to work off of and actually kind of

36:02

that's a really good segue, actually, into the

36:02

next definition.

36:07

Is that enough info on the second definition?

36:09

I think so. I hope so. I mean, we both understand these pathways, but

36:10

you guys tell us if you want to know more

36:16

about the energy pathways on the exercise

36:16

science side of things, we can do a deeper

36:23

dive on another.

36:24

Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, absolutely. Because it ties in to the next thing we're

36:27

talking about.

36:29

So when we talk about definition number two,

36:29

being your body's efficiency at accessing

36:37

available fuel, I like that better. Not the ability.

36:40

It's your body's efficiency at accessing

36:40

available fuel.

36:43

Right. Because you want it to readily be able to

36:45

access and be efficient and.

36:48

Get the most out of every gram

36:48

that it uses.

36:50

Right. All the calories and everything. The next thing is, where does that fuel come

36:53

from?

36:58

Where is it coming from, and how does it get

36:58

stored?

37:01

That's where I think metabolic flexibility

37:01

comes into its true definition, and that is

37:09

your body's ability to create the fuel that it

37:09

needs.

37:16

Now, we know that we have to ingest fat.

37:19

We can't make fat. So if fat is something we have.

37:21

To eat, is it essential?

37:23

Nutrient carbs are not because

37:23

their body can make glycogen.

37:27

So when I say being metabolically flexible,

37:27

what I'm really saying is being ketogenic and

37:37

allowing the ketogenic process to become

37:37

efficient enough to support the production of

37:44

glycogen.

37:46

What do you mean by that?

37:46

You lost me at that point.

37:50

So gluconeogenesis for a lot of

37:50

people, if you haven't talked about this, the

37:56

big g words is not about protein, it's about

37:56

fatty.

38:02

It's a boogeyman of the keto

38:02

world.

38:04

Well, we couldn't be keto

38:04

without gluconeogenesis.

38:07

Oh, yeah, we die.

38:08

We die because we need

38:08

glycogen.

38:11

And the reason that carbs are not essential is

38:11

because of gluconeogenesis.

38:16

So when we need glycogen, our body creates it

38:16

from fat, from anything.

38:23

From anything? Yeah, essentially from anything. It'll take it from fat, it'll take from

38:25

protein. But if fat is available and here's the deal,

38:27

the substrates that gluconeogenesis uses to

38:36

make glycogen from fatty acids are the

38:36

byproducts of what ketogenesis uses when it

38:44

breaks down fatty acids into ketones.

38:47

So ketogenesis takes fatty acids, it turns it

38:51

into aceto. Acetate. We're going to get a little science here real

38:53

quick. It turns it into two things,

38:54

betahydroxybutyrate and acido.

38:59

Acetate. Beta hydroxybutyrate is what we all commonly

39:02

know as ketones. That's when our body utilizes for the fuel to

39:07

create ATP and do our movement and make things

39:07

happen.

39:10

Aceto. Acetate breaks up into pyruvate, acetate and

39:14

lactate, sorry, pyruvate and acetate.

39:19

And then that's what goes into the Krebs cycle

39:22

and the core cycle, which are cycles

39:22

underneath gluconeogenesis to create glycogen.

39:29

So the process of ketogenesis, of being

39:29

ketogenic, gives gluconeogenesis the things

39:37

that it needs to make glycogen. Right.

39:40

So true. Metabolic flexibility means supporting the two

39:45

systems in our body that help our body create

39:45

fuel.

39:51

Does that make sense?

39:52

Yeah, makes sense to me.

39:53

So if we're giving ourselves

39:53

carbs to be flexible, we're actually taking

39:58

away from our body's efficiency at doing it on

39:58

its own.

40:03

It's the opposite of being metabolically

40:03

flexible.

40:07

Right. So the opposite, being metabolically

40:10

inflexible is basically what leads to insulin

40:10

resistance, type two diabetes and on and on

40:21

and on all these metabolic syndrome conditions

40:21

because you are in a position where your body

40:29

cannot store properly and access properly the

40:29

fuels of your body, the fuel that your body

40:40

needs to function.

40:41

Right. Yeah. The

40:41

overconsumption in all three of these things

40:49

that we've talked about, I can't see anything

40:49

that says to me, here's a reason that makes

40:58

sense why we should ingest carbs in order to

40:58

be metabolically flexible.

41:03

Okay.

41:06

We've said that a couple of times. This is really the core of this discussion is

41:07

we keep hearing people saying that we need to

41:12

ingest carbs to be flexible, but I don't see

41:12

it.

41:16

Right.

41:17

Okay.

41:17

So when we talk about hearing

41:17

in the space that metabolic flexibility is the

41:21

goal, the question is, what are we really

41:21

talking about when we say that?

41:27

Right.

41:28

When we're saying we should be

41:28

striving for metabolic flexibility, what we

41:35

actually mean and really should be saying is

41:35

we should be striving to become fat adapted.

41:42

Yes.

41:44

But unfortunately. The term has now been utilized bastardized.

41:50

To mean we need to be switching constantly

41:50

between fuel sources that we are ingesting

41:58

that we need to be ingesting fats today and

41:58

carbs tomorrow and carb cycling and going

42:05

through a ketogenic phase and then shifting

42:05

out of ketosis and going back to higher carb

42:15

so that we can shift away and learn how to

42:15

process carbs again and then go back.

42:20

And to me, this is the same insanity that the

42:20

fitness industry has climbed onto with carb

42:28

cycling. And you see in some groups this cyclical Keto

42:34

approach where once a week we're having an all

42:34

out cheat day where we get to have all these

42:39

carbs and then we taper back off and enter

42:39

ketosis again.

42:44

And we're doing that every single week. I don't know about you, but to me that sounds

42:50

like adding a lot.

42:52

Of stress yeah, absolutely.

42:54

To your system. And for somebody who is already in a

42:57

disadvantaged state, metabolically, that is

42:57

the worst possible thing.

43:03

What you just said right there

43:03

is huge in this conversation.

43:08

Let's just say on the off chance we can find

43:08

something or someone comes to us and says,

43:12

look, here's a list of things. Here's some information.

43:15

Here's clinical information. Here's what I've seen in my practice when it

43:18

happened. Whatever it is, if someone could come to us

43:20

and say, look, these are some valid things

43:20

that make sense to us on why this works,

43:24

context matters, and it makes it even less

43:24

likely.

43:28

I think for that to happen in the context of

43:28

somebody who is severely metabolically

43:35

unhealthy.

43:36

Right.

43:37

The more unhealthy you are, the

43:37

more simplistic, the more foundational and the

43:44

least complicated your solution needs to be.

43:47

Absolutely.

43:48

So throwing in something that

43:48

is jacking up your stress, the stress in your

43:53

body and inflammation in your body for a short

43:53

period of time and then taking it away for a

43:57

period of time and then adding it back in for

43:57

a period of time and then taking it, that is

44:01

the last thing that you need.

44:04

You need consistent, sustainable improvements.

44:07

Your body wants to heal

44:07

homeostasis.

44:10

Yes. You cannot be going all

44:10

up.

44:12

It's the same issue that bodybuilders have.

44:16

We use that analogy when we talk about calorie

44:18

deficits and they go on this super cut where

44:18

their calories go super low before they show

44:24

and then they jack up their food again

44:24

afterwards and they're eating a bunch of crap

44:27

and everything else. And you wonder why they have hormone problems

44:30

and food addiction problems and all sorts of

44:30

other things.

44:34

It's not consistent. You need to have something consistent.

44:37

Your body, your brain, your body, your central

44:37

nervous system, your immune system, all of

44:42

these systems in your body are just whacked

44:42

out.

44:46

This is why if you haven't

44:46

listened to our episode on the Extremes yes,

44:51

go and listen to that one. This is why we don't recommend jumping to any

44:56

extreme going from standard American diet to

44:56

fasting.

45:04

This is going to be the best way I can get

45:04

into Carnivore.

45:06

I saw this in a group the other day. It's like we laugh about this, but we're

45:10

actually seeing people do this. And this is the reason why we're doing this

45:13

podcast. Because people need to hear this, that

45:18

thinking, oh, fasting is going to be the

45:18

quickest way for me to get into Ketosis and to

45:23

get into this Carnivore lifestyle. It's going to be great.

45:27

Oh my gosh. It doesn't need to be that extreme.

45:32

Matter of fact, you want to talk about oxalate

45:32

dumping, you want to talk about getting every

45:37

single symptom and making it more difficult

45:37

for yourself to sustain this lifestyle because

45:43

you've now dropped all your electrolytes all

45:43

at once.

45:46

You've completely disrupted the homeostatic

45:46

balance in your body.

45:51

And your body is freaking out.

45:54

Your psychology is freaking out.

45:56

Your mind yourself with the changes that

45:56

you're making and make small changes.

46:02

Yeah. If there's one thing I

46:02

could do as a coach, there's one thing I can

46:08

do as an influencer in this space.

46:11

One thing that I could do. Two things. What's that?

46:14

Two things. My big vision and my big mission in life is to

46:17

get people to understand that you cannot have

46:17

a good quality of life without being in shape.

46:22

You have to have fitness in your life in order

46:22

to live a free and independent life.

46:27

Period. Second, if I could get people to stop trying

46:32

to be in ketosis. If I hear one more person say, how fast can I

46:37

get into ketosis?

46:37

Or I was off this weekend, how long is it

46:41

going to take me to get back?

46:41

I swear.

46:46

I swear, every time I see that.

46:48

It'S like, Coach Bronson, you

46:48

just talked about how ketosis is the ideal and

46:54

optimal. Should we all be chasing after that?

46:58

I said being ketogenic is the

46:58

ideal and the optimal.

47:01

Not being in ketosis, two very different

47:01

things.

47:04

Do I smell a new episode topic?

47:07

We can talk about it all day.

47:08

I know you're getting ready to talk about it.

47:09

We can talk about it all day. I think I already did.

47:14

I don't remember. I've talked about it a couple of times, but we

47:17

could do a whole thing on what is it?

47:17

Oh, I am going to do I do have an episode.

47:20

I have a whole notes that I've been putting

47:20

together on why what is the potential issues

47:28

behind long term ketosis?

47:28

Doing some research, trying to find some stuff

47:31

out there. I've seen some things.

47:34

I've seen other things that do make sense,

47:34

some things that don't make sense.

47:38

But regardless, ketosis is not the goal.

47:43

Ketosis is not the goal. Ketosis is not the goal.

47:48

If there's anything you get out of this episode, ketosis is not the goal.

47:53

Okay. Being ketogenic and allowing your body to

47:54

create the fuel that it needs and be truly

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metabolically flexible real quick is the goal.

48:04

Give them the difference

48:04

between being in a ketogenic state so having

48:11

ketosis happening in your body versus being

48:11

ketogenic when you say being ketogenic?

48:18

Yeah. So ketosis being in

48:18

ketosis, the state of being in ketosis, all it

48:25

means is you have excess ketones in your

48:25

blood.

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So you can be check this out.

48:30

You can be in ketosis and eat you can be in

48:33

ketosis right after you ate a pint of ice

48:33

cream.

48:36

All you have to do is ingest

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drink some ketones.

48:39

Ketones, right.

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I can tell my body I can get a

48:42

ketone strip and tell the ketone strip that

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I'm in ketosis right after I drank a coke or

48:47

something like that.

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It has nothing to do with anything.

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It just means you have excess fuel in your

49:02

blood. Because ketones are the actual fuel that our

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body uses to make ATP.

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Just like Glycogen is the actual fuel that

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comes from carbs to make ATP.

49:14

I love this analogy. We've talked about this before.

49:17

If you have a lifestyle of excess glucose in

49:20

your blood, that's bad, right?

49:22

Yeah.

49:23

So why is having a lifestyle

49:23

with excess ketones, which is just another

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fuel, all of a sudden?

49:27

Excess fuel is excess fuel.

49:33

If you have to put fuel outside of the gas

49:33

tank in order to hold on to it, then you have

49:39

too much.

49:40

Yes.

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That's the bottom line. So we're not trying to have excess ketones.

49:45

There is a very small percentage of people

49:45

that need to be in that state for medical

49:52

purposes that are essential. Nervous system, spinal injury, brain injury,

49:57

that's very different therapeutic. Ketosis is a medical intervention that has

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nothing to do with you trying to lose £50.

50:06

Nothing. What you want is you want something that's

50:08

actually going to help improve your metabolic

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function, and that is by being ketogenic.

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And the difference is, you can be in ketosis

50:22

if you're ketogenic. But being in ketosis doesn't mean you're

50:26

ketogenic.

50:28

Right.

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Because once again, being

50:29

ketogenic is about good.

50:33

Put ketones in your body and be

50:33

in ketosis.

50:36

Right.

50:37

This does not mean what Bronson

50:37

is getting ready to explain what ketogenic

50:42

means. So give them the definition of ketogenic.

50:45

Yeah. Being ketogenic is simply

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your body is producing and utilizing its own

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fat for.

50:52

Fuel, producing and utilizing

50:52

people that's it not just producing.

50:59

Because to get to ketogenic, to get there, you

50:59

will go through ketosis.

51:07

Yes.

51:08

Now, the key is, we want that

51:08

ketosis to happen internally.

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We don't want to have to put excess ketones in

51:15

our body for us to go through that to get to

51:22

the ketogenic.

51:22

Right. Or flood ourselves with a bunch of fat that we

51:25

then convert into ketones because we are

51:25

overloaded with fatty acids.

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We want the body to seek out,

51:28

find access, and then utilize the ketones.

51:35

Now, this is a reason why if you've been a

51:35

person who chases after ketone numbers on a

51:41

strip or on a blood glucose meter I mean,

51:41

excuse me, a blood ketone meter or something

51:47

of that nature. What I always say is what you really want to

51:50

look for is after you've remained consistent

51:50

for some time, and this can be different.

51:57

The time period can be different per person. You want to see those readings go down.

52:04

So this is usually when everybody starts

52:04

freaking out, because they're like, I used to

52:09

get purple, dark purple ketones.

52:11

I used to get this.

52:12

I used to get a one or a two or

52:12

a three on my ketones.

52:15

Now I'm only getting a .5.

52:17

Right.

52:17

Good.

52:18

This means your body now knows

52:18

how to utilize those ketones, so they're not

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floating around in your blood anymore.

52:26

Yes.

52:27

That's what we want.

52:28

That's what we're looking for. We're not looking for high ketones.

52:30

So here's the deal. It's going to go up. It's going to go down.

52:33

This is another reason why measuring ketones,

52:35

to me, is just mind streaming exhausting.

52:40

Because it's going to go up. It's going to go down. If you eat some fat, it's going to go up.

52:43

If you don't eat if you fast a little bit, it

52:43

might go down.

52:45

It might go up. Basically, if you're exercising, guess what?

52:48

Your ketones might go up. Then they might go down again.

52:51

So the things that you're doing and the way

52:51

that you're living, how much protein you eat,

52:56

insulin makes ketones go down.

52:59

So if you eat a big steak, guess what?

53:02

Your ketones might go down. In an hour or two.

53:04

Another reason why people freak

53:04

out about the protein, right?

53:07

Because it's okay. We don't want to be in ketosis all the time.

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As long as we are burning fat for fuel, you

53:13

are good.

53:17

That's all that you need to know. That's all you need to worry about.

53:20

I like the car analogy. The car analogy.

53:23

If you all haven't figured it out by now, the

53:23

car analogy works for every damn thing when it

53:27

comes to this stuff. If I go to the gas tank and I put 90 octane

53:33

gas in my car, do I need to check the exhaust

53:33

every hour that I'm driving it to see if I'm

53:39

burning 90 octane gas?

53:39

No.

53:43

You trust that what you put in.

53:45

Is what's going to come out. So if I'm not eating crap, if I'm not eating

53:49

carbs, then why do.

53:50

I need to test my coach?

53:50

And this is why we always say focus on the

53:56

basics. Because the only time you're going to be

53:58

neurotic and stressing yourself out over blood

53:58

ketone readings, blood glucose readings,

54:05

fasting windows, all the other stuff is

54:05

because you're trying to get away with

54:11

something. You are trying to fit carbs some junk ketone

54:17

labeled foods into your macros, or even if you

54:17

don't count macros, you're eating all these

54:24

foods that are net carbs or one carb bread or

54:24

zero carb bread or whatever, and you're

54:29

wondering how it's impacting you. And you want to see if you're still in

54:31

ketosis. It's just because you're trying to get away

54:35

with something.

54:36

Yeah, you're hoping, oh my God,

54:36

if I do this, I can stay, then I can have it.

54:39

Now, if you're not eating that

54:39

crap, there's nothing to worry about.

54:43

Look at all this time and energy and stress.

54:46

You've taken off your shoulders

54:46

125% and.

54:51

You get a double whammy there

54:51

because now you're not stressed mentally or

54:58

physically. And that's going to improve your health too.

55:02

Yes, absolutely. I'll go into this on the ketosis video when I

55:07

do that, but the whole cortisol thing with,

55:07

all right, folks, we could talk for a little

55:15

bit longer, but I feel like if we go any

55:15

further, it'll just be rambles.

55:17

Do you have anything you want to leave with that.

55:21

Just get honest with yourself.

55:23

Get real about what are you doing, what are

55:25

you not doing?

55:25

What are you trying to justify?

55:28

Yeah, if you're going down rabbit holes trying

55:28

to find latching on to concepts, ask yourself

55:39

why, right?

55:39

What's behind that?

55:42

What's the motivation there?

55:44

Hopefully this discussion has

55:44

helped you understand what metabolic

55:49

flexibility really is, how it works, what

55:49

matters about it, and can help you think about

55:58

why you've been worried about it.

56:00

If you truly want to be

56:00

metabolically flexible, get fat adapted.

56:04

Get fat adapted, get ketogenic,

56:04

don't eat crap and exercise prioritize

56:09

protein. All the same stuff we say all the time, guys.

56:13

It's so simple and it's so repeatable.

56:16

You're going to hear, right?

56:20

It's like, what's the answer?

56:20

What's the secret sauce?

56:22

Just do the stuff we've been saying over and

56:22

over and over again.

56:28

The basics aren't going to change. The basics aren't going to change.

56:31

So all right, guys, take it easy. We'll see you until next time.

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And we still don't have a way to end.

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Eat meat, repeat. Me?

56:40

And eat meat, repeat. I like that.

56:42

Eat meat, repeat. Take it easy, guys.

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Peace up. You.