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I can't read small print.
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I have to use a magnifying glass
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to see. It's like somebody's
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flashing bright lights in my eyes. There's
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times when my eye will burn and hurt. I
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wish I didn't have an idea you'd hurt. 73-year-old
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Louise Hickman had an obstruction
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in her left eye, a cataract maybe.
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Louise said she had to tilt her head and read the
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newspaper at an angle. So
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Louise Hickman went to the Gabrielle
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Eye Institute, closest to her house
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in South Bend, Indiana.
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Dr. Gabrielle told her she needed an eye lift
2:24
procedure to fix her issue. Louise
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was skeptical but trusted the opinion
2:29
of the respected ophthalmologist and
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agreed to the surgery. When
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she returned the next day for a follow-up visit,
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Dr. Gabrielle analyzed his handiwork
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and delivered the bad news. Louise,
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something is wrong, he told her. We're
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going to have to do it again.
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So Louise Hickman had a second surgery,
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which also proved ineffective.
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In fact, Louise described to Dr.
2:52
Gabrielle how her condition had actually
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worsened. Now she had double vision,
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which prevented her from reading any small
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print without a magnifying glass. She
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was also seeing flashing lights on occasion,
3:04
and she could no longer cry out of her left
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eye because of a film that developed around
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it that she constantly had to clear. Dr.
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Gabrielle recommended that Louise see a different
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specialist, and she did. The
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new doctor performed a third operation on
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her eye, only to discover that there was so
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much scar tissue from the previous surgeries
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that a wrinkle had developed in her retina.
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The only solution Louise remembered the doctor
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telling her was to quote, remove the eyeball
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to cut out the wrinkle and put the eyeball
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back in. Louise Hickman
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opted out. She accepted her fate.
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She would just have to live out her remaining years
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with one good eye. A
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few weeks later, a visitor knocked on
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Louise Hickman's door. It was an investigator
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with the Indiana Attorney General's office.
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He had a badge and a medical chart, and
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he asked if he could come inside. The
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investigator explained that an outside doctor
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had reviewed her files and determined that
3:59
she'd never be there. never needed those surgeries. He
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told Louise that she was one of 18,000 cases they were investigating,
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all patients of Dr. Philip Gabriel.
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I'm 73 years old. I
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haven't got that much longer to put up with
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poor vision in my one eye. But
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when I think you might have done this to children,
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I actually cry. Because
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what can they
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do? Dr. Phil Gabriel
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was the founder of the Gabriel Eye
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Institute, an ophthalmology clinic
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with three locations in northeastern Indiana
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near the Michigan border. Philip's
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wife Marcy also worked at the clinic
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behind the scenes. They met in college
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at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia.
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They had been inseparable ever since and
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had left a positive impression on their community.
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Phil was nicknamed Doughboy because
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his laugh sounded like the Pillsbury character.
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Marcy was an avid collector of Betty Boop
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memorabilia. Together they were
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award-winning ballroom dancers and massive
5:03
animal lovers. The
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couple did not have children, but they did
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have three Siamese cats whom they adored
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more than anything else on Earth. Their
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names were Lynxie, Chrissy, and Hannah.
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It was a quaint little life that was soon
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turned upside down. On
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May 10, 2007, federal
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agents from the U.S. Department of Health and Human
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Services, along with officials from the
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Indiana Attorney General's Medicaid Fraud
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Control Unit, raided the Gabriel's
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home and clinics at 7.30 a.m. No
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arrests were made, but a significant
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number of documents were seized. The
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investigation plotted along for the next
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two years. The Gabriels felt like
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they were living under the constant threat of indictment.
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At one point they were even offered
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a plea bargain. The Philip pleaded
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guilty. Marcy could walk, the vets promised.
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The couple refused because they maintained
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they had done nothing wrong. So
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on Friday, June 12, 2007, the state was not allowed to be arrested.
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In 2009,
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Philip and Marcella Gabriel
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were formally indicted by a federal grand
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jury charged with 15 counts,
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including healthcare fraud, wire fraud,
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making false statements, and a conspiracy.
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Dr. Gabriel was accused of falsely diagnosing
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patients with visual ailments to
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convince them that surgery was needed. In
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some cases, the patients had no serious
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issues whatsoever. Even
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if they did, Dr. Gabriel wouldn't have
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known, because investigators alleged
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he had failed to perform the most basic diagnostic
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tests and procedures to determine
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if surgery was actually required. There
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were cases where he was replacing patients' perfectly
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healthy lenses with artificial lenses.
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Some of the patients were children. They were all
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billed the same. Marcella
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Gabriel would record false data on
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patients' charts to support these, quote,
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medically necessary procedures. Should
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also alter the results of post-laseic
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surgery vision tests to support
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the clinic's false advertising claims of
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a 100 percent success rate. Not
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true, the Gabriels maintained. They
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released a public statement, quote, where
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deeply saddened and dismayed by
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the government's decision to proceed with an indictment,
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we will continue to focus our energies on
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doing what we love, working tirelessly
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to provide top quality medical care for
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the people of Michiana. The
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Gabriels agreed to turn themselves into authorities
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on the following Monday, June 15, 2009.
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However, when that day arrived, Sue
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Manusak woke up to a voicemail
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from Phil Gabriel. Sue was
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the Gabriels best friend and cat-breeder.
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She was alarmed by what she had heard. On
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the recording, Phil said he and Marcy
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couldn't take any more pain. He said they
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were done fighting. He said that the cats
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were at home and that he and Marcy could be found
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at the Elkhart office. Manusak
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immediately called the police, the Gabriels'
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lawyer and Marcy's brother who had a key
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to the building. convened at
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the Elkhart clinic around 9.20 AM. As
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soon as the door was unlocked, they heard a gunshot,
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the police rushed in. They found
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Dr. Philip Gabrielle's lifeless body
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on the ground, but the single gunshot
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wound to his head.
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Marcy's body was nearby with multiple
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gunshot wounds to the chest. An
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eye doctor and his wife under inductment for performing
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unnecessary surgeries on patients, including
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children, were found shot to death in his Elkhart
8:25
office by police investigating a possible
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suicide attempt. Later that day,
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the local CBS affiliate, WBST,
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received a letter from the Gabrielle's addressed
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to the station's general manager.
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To our patients, families, friends, and
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all the people of Michiana, they began,
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it is clear that our good works here have
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come to an end. The Gabrielle's
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letter included a list of thank yous to
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the lawyers, medical professionals, and
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patients who supported them in the face of a quote,
8:54
unjust indictment, for which there
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was quote, no evidence of criminal
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intent. Continuing
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the fight was not an option for them anymore, the
9:03
Gabrielle's explained in the note. Once
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a criminal indictment was filed against a physician,
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they read, his or her medical career
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is, and all practical senses, finished.
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If we can't provide care, our purpose
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is gone. Another reason
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they were giving up, the Gabrielle's wrote, is
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because they had exhausted all of their resources.
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Sue Manuszak later revealed the couple's
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legal fees had exceeded two and a half million
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dollars. They were having trouble paying
9:30
their bills. We both
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have been blessed with the knowledge of why God put
9:34
us here, that is to help people see.
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Seeing that our medical work in this regard is
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gone,
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our last act hopefully will open
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the eyes of a country to a federal
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legal system that entails far too much power
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to local officials without appropriate oversight.
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Exonerations of doctors has done nothing to change
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this. Hopefully investigation into
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this case may. Regardless,
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we have chosen not to participate in this traffic. any
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longer. In conclusion, we
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wish to thank you all again. We
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are at peace with our decision. The
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following day, employees and patients
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held a vigil at the Gabrielle I
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Institute's Elkhart office, where the bodies
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were found. I think he was innocent,
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Barbara Copeland, till the times of Northwest Indiana.
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I don't care what anybody says, the man's
10:23
just a decent human being. William
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O'Brien, a 90-year-old former
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patient of Dr. Gabrielle's, felt differently.
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O'Brien told the Times he was never informed
10:33
that an infection had developed in his eye
10:36
after surgery at the clinic. He
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knew my eye was infected, but he wasn't
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telling me, O'Brien said. The only
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reason I found out was from the pharmacist when
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picking up the medication Dr. Gabrielle had
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prescribed for me. In response
10:49
to the Gabrielle's taking their own lives, William
10:52
O'Brien had his own theory.
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It probably proves they were guilty,
10:57
and were trying to avoid more personal
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embarrassment.
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The Gabrielle's best friend, Sue Manusak,
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just couldn't believe it. She said the couple
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weren't driven by money. They drove old
11:09
cars, lived in a fixer upper. None
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of it made sense. As for why
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the couple chose to kill themselves at the office,
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Sue assumed it was because of their cats. They
11:19
wouldn't have done anything to upset
11:22
the cats. On July 17,
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2009, the federal judge
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formally dismissed the fraud and conspiracy
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charges against Phil and Marcy Gabrielle,
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since they were dead. The
11:34
charges against the organization remained, and
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in October 2009, the recently
11:39
shuttered Gabrielle Eye Institute pleaded
11:42
guilty to making false statements in
11:44
connection with the delivery and payment of health care
11:46
benefits, and was ordered to pay more than $205,000 in
11:50
restitution. And
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that's how one of Indiana's most sensational
11:55
health care fraud cases concluded,
11:57
with a premature finale and an
11:59
unnecessary
11:59
an established motive.
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I know, I'm disappointed too.
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12:10
case of health care fraud was just
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on a mountain
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in a resort town in northwestern Italy.
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A renowned ear, nose, and throat surgeon vanishes
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He hired street singers
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and it was this really grand
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piazza that was in Rome and he bought
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me a large engagement
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ring from Bulgari and he got down on one
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knee and he proposed.
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Michelle Kramer
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nearly lost a leg when she was 13 years
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old after a drunk driver ran
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her over. Ever since she has been
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infatuated with doctors. They were
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like superheroes without the capes put
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on earth to aid its hapless inhabitants.
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That infatuation formed the basis of Michelle's
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initial attraction to the older man
14:53
in the black satin shirt who had approached her
14:56
at Club Glow in Chicago in 1999. He said his name
14:58
was Mark
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S Weinberger.
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Dr. Mark S Weinberger.
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He was a 36 year old twice
15:07
divorced Ivy League educated
15:09
ear nose and throat specialist who
15:12
was raised in West Chester County New York.
15:14
The son of a physicist, a philosophy
15:17
major who graduated from UCLA's
15:19
David Geffen School of Medicine before
15:21
accepting a prestigious fellowship at the University
15:24
of Illinois at Chicago. His skills
15:26
were unmatched. Dr.
15:28
Weinberger told Michelle Kramer that he still
15:30
lived in Chicago but he had opened his
15:32
own practice a decade earlier in
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Merrillville, Indiana about an hour
15:37
away. It was a calculated decision.
15:40
Northwest Indiana was rife with steel
15:42
mills and oil refineries and
15:44
because of the pollution there were thousands of blue-collar
15:46
workers and nearby residents with sinus
15:49
problems and most of them had union-sponsored
15:51
health insurance.
15:53
Dr. Weinberger was already earning more than 1
15:55
million dollars a year.
15:57
Michelle Kramer wasn't impressed by his wealth.
16:00
She came from a middle-class family, and
16:02
she had her own ambitions. The
16:05
25-year-old graduate student was pursuing a PhD
16:07
in psychology and working as a counselor
16:10
at a Chicago hospital. Mark
16:12
and Michelle had plenty of nerdy things to discuss
16:15
and bond over besides material possessions.
16:18
Within a month of meeting, the couple moved in together.
16:21
They were engaged in less than a year. Mark
16:23
Weinberger had planned an extensive proposal
16:26
in Rome. It always had a thing
16:28
for Italy. In fact, Mark Weinberger
16:31
and Michelle Kramer were planning to get married there,
16:33
but then Michelle's father got cancer.
16:36
The diagnosis was grim, so they moved
16:38
the wedding to Chicago so her father
16:40
could attend.
16:41
Mark Weinberger wasn't happy about the change.
16:44
Michelle told Vanity Fair that her soon-to-be
16:46
husband pushed back, quote, "'You
16:48
can't let dying people change what the living
16:50
are going to do.'" But he relented
16:52
then. The newlyweds eventually had a party in
16:55
Italy anyway for their third
16:57
wedding celebration. Just
17:00
a few months after they married, Michelle Kramer's
17:02
father died. She was paralyzed
17:04
with grief and also disturbed
17:06
by Mark's complete lack of concern.
17:09
"'He didn't really seem to be able to empathize,'
17:12
she told Marie Claire magazine.
17:14
"'It was like he was just going through the motions.'"
17:16
Michelle told the magazine that she rationalized
17:19
his behavior away, telling herself
17:21
he was just a typical self-centered guy.
17:24
Mark was just highly driven, charming
17:26
but dismissive, and blunt yet
17:29
a complete mystery. "'It
17:30
reminds me we were swimming from
17:33
the boat to a beach at one point with our dog,
17:36
and I was struggling, and I felt like I couldn't make it the
17:38
whole way. And he turned around and he looked at
17:40
me and he just kept beelining for the
17:42
shore, and there was no sense
17:44
of he's going to come back and help me. And we were
17:47
married at that point, and I remember thinking,
17:48
who are you?" Dr.
17:51
Mark Weinberger was a local celebrity.
17:54
The interstates in northwest Indiana were plastered
17:57
with billboards for the Weinberger Sinus Clinic.
18:00
He referred to himself in the ads as the nose
18:02
doctor. He had a flashy website
18:04
and a toll-free phone number to his office.
18:07
One eight hundred sinuses. Business
18:09
was booming. In 2002,
18:12
Dr. Weinberger expanded his practice by
18:14
building a state-of-the-art clinic in Merrillville.
18:17
According to his own marketing materials, the
18:19
office quote, defines the cutting edge
18:21
of technology and nose and sinus care.
18:24
Dr. Weinberger spent the last 10 years planning,
18:27
designing, and building the first digitally
18:29
integrated subspecialty clinic dedicated
18:32
exclusively to nose and sinus care.
18:35
All the diagnostic and treatment technology
18:37
is integrated into a single system through
18:39
a customized network and software designed
18:42
by Dr. Weinberger with the goal
18:44
of providing the safest, most effective, and
18:46
most comfortable sinus care anyway.
18:50
Dr. Weinberger was one of the only ear,
18:52
nose, and throat doctors with an in-house CAT
18:54
scan machine. His father, Fred Weinberger,
18:57
had loaned him $1 million to buy it. Marks
19:00
could have easily paid him back. The Weinberger
19:03
Sinus Clinic raked in almost $30 million
19:06
over the next three years, but he
19:08
never did.
19:09
Once he opened a surgery center, things
19:12
exploded financially. It became
19:14
private jets. It
19:16
was like a rap video.
19:18
In November 2002, the Weinberger's
19:21
purchased a $2.4 million five-story
19:24
townhouse condo in the historic
19:26
Gold Coast neighborhood of Chicago. There
19:29
was an elevator, but Mark kept a
19:31
laptop and a cell phone in every room because
19:33
he didn't want to waste his time retrieving them. Mark
19:36
Weinberger didn't like wasting time
19:39
at all. Michelle told Vanity Fair
19:41
that when a waitstaff or cashier
19:43
handed her husband a change, he would just
19:45
throw it on the ground. You can imagine
19:47
how he treated the maids, private chefs,
19:50
personal trainers, and massage therapists
19:52
employed, not to mention the attendance
19:54
on the private flight service the Weinberger's
19:56
frequently used or the staff that
19:59
maintained their affordment. million dollar 80-foot
20:01
yacht on which Mark and Michelle would spend 10
20:03
days a month traversing the seas. Sometimes
20:06
they'd go to Europe, other times they'd visit
20:08
the Bahamas where Mark had purchased
20:10
some undeveloped property.
20:12
We had a private jet, we
20:14
had an 80-foot yacht, we had a five-story
20:17
townhouse, a brigade of drivers, 10-day
20:20
trips a month to the Mediterranean or
20:22
the Caribbean, ridiculous shopping sprees.
20:25
We had private drivers, he hired chauffeurs
20:27
and he had a fleet of different cars, Mercedes
20:30
and an SUV and he
20:32
would have his sushi
20:34
lunches even chauffeured out to him
20:38
that were made from one of the best sushi restaurants
20:39
in Chicago.
20:42
Dr. Weinberger also hired a personal chauffeur
20:44
to drive him the hour to his office in Merrillville
20:47
and back. The driver often had to turn around
20:49
immediately and head back to Chicago to
20:51
pick up sushi from Mark's favorite restaurant
20:54
in time for the doctor's lunch. Since
20:56
we're on the topic, Dr. Weinberger would
20:59
reportedly scold his female nurses
21:01
for their meal choices. If they ate
21:03
pizza, he would warn them with disgust
21:05
that they were getting too fat. Mark
21:07
Weinberger also monitored his wife's
21:09
weight. Meanwhile, Michelle
21:11
was still grieving her father and studying for
21:13
exams. Mark was more concerned
21:15
about other things. She said one night
21:18
at a restaurant no less, he handed
21:20
her a pornographic DVD of
21:22
tips on how to give more enthusiastic
21:24
head. It was Mark Weinberger's world.
21:27
Everyone else was just on their knees. Ask
21:29
me how much my hands are worth.
21:30
How much your hands are worth?
21:34
The doctor's ego was a bit out of
21:36
control. Michelle Kramer had to admit,
21:38
but she genuinely loved him.
21:41
I love you baby. I love you baby.
21:43
And admittedly she enjoyed the trappings of
21:45
wealth. Even when it came in the form
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Your first visit to Dr. Weinberger was the beginning
23:34
of September? Well, that would have been about
23:36
September. And
23:38
that was great, because he said, well,
23:41
no problem, that's probably sinuses. And
23:44
he had the Philippine that he
23:46
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23:48
and that did help a little bit. And
23:51
plus, I was having a lot of problems,
23:53
money-wise, because I didn't, I
23:55
had very bad insurance. Well,
23:58
let's not go there about it.
24:06
Phyllis Barnes began experiencing
24:08
difficulty breathing and swallowing in
24:11
the summer of
24:12
The 47-year-old lifelong smoker
24:15
had been dealing with a sore throat and hoarseness
24:17
for months. Sometimes she would even cough
24:20
up blood. 6, 2001.
24:28
He performed a CT scan on her right there
24:30
at his impressive facility and found
24:32
that Phyllis's sinuses were crowded with nasal
24:35
polyps.
24:36
Dr. Weinberger recommended endoscopic
24:38
surgery to remove them.
24:40
Phyllis Barnes found relief in the fact that Weinberger
24:43
actually had a plan. The doctor she
24:45
had visited previously thought her issue might
24:47
be allergy related, but it wasn't.
24:50
On October 11, 2001, Dr.
24:53
Mark Weinberger performed a Caldwell luck
24:55
procedure on Phyllis Barnes. Instead
24:57
of the more modern approach of widening
25:00
the sinus passages, Weinberger
25:02
opted to drill new openings in Phyllis's
25:04
skull behind her cheekbones to allow
25:07
the mucus to drain more efficiently. He
25:09
promised her it would provide indescribable
25:12
relief, but it didn't. On
25:14
a follow-up visit, Phyllis Barnes told
25:17
Dr. Weinberger that her problems persisted.
25:20
Dr. Weinberger reportedly dismissed her concerns and
25:22
said she just needed to give the surgery time to
25:24
work. So Phyllis tried that, but
25:27
her condition only worsened. It felt
25:29
like somebody was hanging me by a rope,
25:31
she later said. Phyllis
25:34
worried that she might have pneumonia because she could
25:36
fill it in her lungs now.
25:38
Unfortunately Mark Weinberger was an ear,
25:41
nose, and throat doctor. Not an ear,
25:43
nose, throat, and lungs doctor.
25:45
He suggested she try a different specialist.
25:48
What he told me is he could
25:50
not treat me. And
25:55
I remember that very clearly because I was
25:57
like...
25:59
You're
26:04
my doctor. I mean, what else am I supposed to do? I'm
26:06
sick.
26:09
A few weeks later, in December 2001, Phyllis
26:12
Barnes was gasping for breath at home. Her
26:15
16-year-old daughter, Sean, had to call an ambulance.
26:18
At the hospital, Phyllis learned that sinuses were
26:20
the least of her worries. Doctors found
26:22
a large tumor in her larynx. Phyllis
26:25
Barnes was diagnosed with stage four throat
26:27
cancer, a condition that even the most
26:30
novice ear, nose, and throat doctor should
26:32
have been able to recognize months ago. Unfortunately,
26:36
Dr. Mark Weinberger had not bothered to
26:38
give Phyllis Barnes a throat exam at all. He
26:40
simply ordered a CAT scan on her sinuses and
26:43
immediately recommended surgery within minutes
26:45
of meeting her, nor had he bothered to visit
26:47
her directly after the surgery. Dr. Weinberger
26:50
didn't have time. According
26:52
to Vanity Fair, he reportedly saw more than 100
26:54
patients a day, spending an
26:56
average of three minutes with each of them, even
26:59
though the average ENT exam was supposed
27:01
to last 20 minutes. After
27:03
her diagnosis, Phyllis Barnes had emergency
27:05
surgery to remove her vocal cords and
27:07
voice box. She had additional
27:10
surgeries to get a voice prosthesis. From
27:12
now on, Phyllis would only be able
27:14
to speak through a hole in her neck. I know my voice
27:17
sounds all normal, and
27:20
I don't like to listen to my voice on the internet.
27:25
In October 2002, Phyllis
27:27
Barnes sued Dr. Mark Weinberger
27:29
and her previous doctor for failing to
27:32
diagnose her cancer and carrying
27:34
out an unnecessary operation on her sinuses
27:37
that was paid for by her insurance company. In
27:40
the filings, her lawyer, Kenneth J.
27:42
Allen, wrote, With such obvious
27:44
abnormality, Dr. Weinberger
27:47
would almost have had to intentionally ignore
27:49
this situation in order to have missed
27:51
it as badly as he did. Phyllis
27:53
Barnes realized her days were numbered.
27:56
The lawsuit wasn't for her. It was
27:58
for her daughter, Sean.
27:59
soon to be Orson.
28:01
Shawn's father had died from brain cancer
28:03
just months earlier. What's
28:06
your biggest concern in life? That's
28:08
my daughter. I am
28:10
my only daughter. My daughter's only surviving
28:13
dad. I just want to make sure
28:15
that she drives to school. I
28:17
just want to be able to live and see
28:19
those things happen.
28:22
Phyllis Barnes was not able to see those
28:24
things happen. She died on September 16,
28:28
2004 at age 50. Shawn
28:30
Barnes inherited a small life insurance
28:33
payout and the family mortgage. In
28:35
time, the lawsuit would proceed. And
28:38
that lawsuit bothered Mark Weinberger,
28:41
but probably for all the wrong reasons. In
28:43
the months following, his stress levels shot
28:46
through the roof and it became increasingly
28:48
paranoid. She
28:49
was becoming increasingly
28:52
more bizarre with his behavior. He was
28:55
worried about
28:58
this lawsuit in particular, and
29:00
he was constantly anxious.
29:03
He was very anxious about the whole thing.
29:06
Mark's moods would swing violently and
29:08
rapidly. He started snapping at
29:10
patients and retreating to his office for long
29:13
periods of time, and just overall
29:15
appeared more disheveled. He installed
29:17
video cameras in every room. He asked
29:19
Michelle how she felt about dropping everything
29:22
and moving to an island.
29:24
She thought he was joking. I mean, she
29:26
knew about the Phyllis Barnes lawsuit, but she
29:28
took her husband's word for it that it was nothing. Just
29:31
the result of ambulance chasing lawyers and
29:33
jealous doctors, Mark told her that
29:35
he was being targeted for his success and wealth
29:37
and that he planned to battle it out in court. And
29:40
Michelle believed him. He wasn't a
29:42
lousy doctor, she told Marie Claire. The
29:44
man I married wouldn't hurt people. Oh,
29:48
yes, he would. That's according to the lawyers
29:50
who represented a seemingly endless amount
29:53
of patients whom Dr. Mark Weinberger
29:55
had mistreated. Patients like William
29:57
Boyer, an amateur boxer turned heavy
29:59
at court. equipment operator, who like Phyllis
30:02
Barnes had new holes drilled into his skull.
30:04
The surgery did nothing to alleviate his
30:07
condition. Boyer said he agreed to
30:09
the operation after Weinberger showed him images
30:11
of bloody pus-filled polyps in the sinuses,
30:14
images that were later determined to have
30:16
been completely phony. Patient
30:19
Marzetta Williams of Gary, Indiana
30:21
underwent the same procedure. Weinberger
30:24
blamed her persistent cough on polyps
30:26
at a deviated septum. After
30:28
the surgery proved ineffective, Williams
30:31
saw a different doctor who discovered
30:33
that she was just allergic to dust
30:35
mites and that the operations performed
30:37
on her were utterly unnecessary.
30:41
Dr. Marc Weinberger even performed his unnecessary
30:44
outdated sinus surgery on children
30:46
like 9-year-old Kayla Thomas, even
30:49
though 9-year-olds do not have fully formed
30:51
sinus cavities and rarely do
30:53
they have polyps large enough to require surgery.
30:56
As the trend goes, Kayla's mother took her daughter
30:59
to a different doctor when the condition persisted.
31:02
The other doctor found that Kayla's condition was the
31:04
result of a brain tumor, a brain
31:06
tumor that could not be fully removed because
31:08
of the scar tissue left behind by the
31:11
Weinberger surgery.
31:12
Dr. Marc Weinberger performed hundreds,
31:15
potentially thousands, of completely
31:17
unnecessary sinus surgeries. He
31:20
mutilated people for money, a lawyer
31:22
later said describing Weinberger's
31:24
practice. But to be fair, sometimes
31:27
Dr. Marc Weinberger didn't do anything
31:29
at all. Sometimes he would simply put the
31:31
patient under, let them wake up and then
31:33
bill insurance companies for a list of operations
31:36
that would be physically impossible to complete
31:38
in the appointments allotted time slot.
31:41
And there was no one to stop him. Dr.
31:43
Weinberger was the only surgeon in the building.
31:46
He performed the CAT scans himself. There
31:48
was no separation of duties, no second
31:50
opinions, no one around who would question
31:53
him. According to court documents,
31:55
at least 90% of the patients who came to see
31:57
Maryville's famous nose doc were recommended to be taken
31:59
care of.
31:59
surgery during their very first
32:02
appointment.
32:03
But now Dr. Mark Weinberg's game
32:06
was over.
32:07
He realized that for certain in the
32:09
summer of 2004 when a lawyer
32:11
started requesting patient files,
32:13
it was only a matter of time and the countdown
32:15
had begun. Michelle
32:18
Kramer wasn't privy to the extent of
32:20
Mark's troubles but says in retrospect
32:23
she could feel her husband pulling away. He
32:25
was entirely in his own head and disconnected.
32:28
She said he barely showed any emotion when
32:30
she miscarried after five months of pregnancy.
32:33
But that's also kind of just who he had always
32:35
been and he would do other things to make
32:38
up for his emotional shortcomings.
32:40
For instance he told Michelle he wanted to plan
32:42
a last minute trip to Greece on the yacht
32:45
to celebrate her 30th birthday. He
32:47
told her to invite a few friends and promised
32:49
her an experience that quote, only
32:51
movie stars have. We were
32:53
supposed to stay on our yacht
32:56
and have this huge blowout birthday celebration.
32:59
She was just really excited.
33:00
They set sail on September
33:02
18th 2004, two days after Phyllis
33:04
Arms died.
33:07
They docked in Mykonos on September 23rd.
33:10
Michelle Kramer says she'll never forget that night.
33:12
She said before bed Mark asked her, you
33:15
really do love me don't you? Of course
33:17
I do she replied.
33:19
Then Mark clicked his wedding ring against hers
33:21
as he routinely would and whispered, never
33:23
say bye bye.
33:25
When Michelle woke up at 6am the next
33:27
morning,
33:28
Mark Weinberger was gone. She
33:30
assumed he went for an early morning jog in
33:32
the city. But after a few hours
33:35
she began to worry. She thought maybe he
33:37
had broken an ankle or got hit by a
33:39
car or who knows Michelle
33:40
put on her own running shoes and went
33:42
looking for him. She checked certain shops
33:45
and cafes. There was no sign of
33:47
him. Michelle Kramer returned
33:49
to the dock to yacht and found the ship's captain.
33:52
Oh yeah, I know where Marcus the man assured her.
33:55
He said he was flying to Paris for the day to pick up
33:57
your birthday present.
33:59
How exciting.
33:59
thought.
34:01
But when the sun set and Mark Weinberg
34:03
is still at night returned, she started getting
34:05
that sinking feeling. The
34:07
following day Michelle was able to track down the phone
34:09
number for the Greek cell phone Mark sometimes
34:11
used. She called it from an unfamiliar
34:14
number. Hello but chipper
34:16
voice on the other end answered.
34:18
Mark Michelle asked
34:20
and waited. Silence.
34:24
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I knew that
35:08
something was terribly wrong. So I got
35:10
up and I started jogging around the whole island looking for
35:12
him. And everybody kept
35:15
telling me, oh, he just went to go get something for your birthday.
35:18
And as the day progressed, it became really clear
35:20
that he wasn't coming back.
35:23
When Michelle Kramer realized her husband, Dr.
35:25
Mark Weinberger was not coming back. She
35:28
started searching the yacht for clues. Inside
35:31
the safe, Michelle found her passport
35:34
and 1000 euros, which was not even close
35:36
to covering the $40,000 in docking fees. Greek
35:39
officials were saying she owed. The
35:41
boat was seized. Michelle had to
35:44
borrow money from her friends and family to get
35:46
a flight home. Back in
35:48
Chicago, living in the empty condo
35:50
was creepy. Weeks passed
35:52
with no sign of Mark, no explanation.
35:56
After a few months, Michelle Kramer felt compelled
35:58
to defend her missing husband. He
36:00
wasn't around to defend himself. She
36:02
spoke out publicly through the Chicago Tribune.
36:06
He really cared about his patience, Michelle told the
36:08
newspaper. His attitude was that he
36:10
was already convicted. Michelle
36:13
Kramer also used the opportunity to issue
36:15
a plea to Mark. If he would just contact
36:18
me, we can work this out, she said. I
36:20
would do anything to help him. I hope he's safe
36:22
and I still love him. We can relocate.
36:25
We can live on an island in a hut I don't
36:27
care. I don't know if he realizes that.
36:30
It's a nightmare, Michelle continued. I
36:33
hope I wake up and my life goes back to
36:35
the way it was two months ago.
36:38
But it never would.
36:39
There's more time passed. Reality
36:41
began to set in for Michelle Kramer. From
36:44
the information she had gathered, it was obvious
36:46
Mark Weinberger had been planning to do this
36:49
and he was never coming back. Perhaps
36:51
the fact that she found a book he left behind
36:53
called How to Be Invisible was a dead giveaway,
36:55
but she still wanted to know why. Michelle
36:59
went to Mark's office and collected the scraps
37:01
from his paper shredder. She spent three
37:03
days piecing all the documents together. She
37:06
learned he had recently traded cash for diamonds
37:08
up to as much as $1 million. In
37:11
addition, she found a handwritten note of
37:13
the name of a hotel in Paris. Michelle
37:16
also heard about a room at this clinic where
37:18
Mark had been storing dozens of shipments in
37:20
recent months.
37:22
It was obviously camping equipment, backpacks,
37:24
sleeping mats, outdoor cutlery and such.
37:27
Dr. Weinberger's employees had started
37:30
referring to it among themselves as the scary
37:32
room. Dr. Weinberger's employees
37:35
also shared that he had taken over the company's bookkeeping
37:37
in recent months. In retrospect,
37:39
with the consolidated information, it
37:42
was pretty clear that he did not want to be found.
37:45
I really thought that we were going to grow old together
37:47
and, you know, be sipping lemonade on the porch
37:49
with grandchildren. You really was my best
37:51
friend.
37:53
But Michelle Kramer was not giving up and
37:56
she was hot on this trail. Michelle
37:58
had obtained Mark's credit card.
38:00
There were $50,000 in new charges
38:03
for hotels and casinos in Monaco
38:05
and France. She immediately
38:07
hopped on a plane, but when Michelle
38:09
arrived at the hotel in Paris she was informed
38:11
that the man she was looking for had left the
38:14
day before. She had just missed them.
38:16
Michelle Kramer spent her 30th birthday
38:18
alone in Paris before returning home.
38:21
Michelle took a second trip to France a few
38:23
weeks later,
38:24
this time with more anger.
38:26
She told Marie Claire that she bought a wig and
38:28
handcuffs from a sex shop and crawled
38:31
every bar in Paris. If she
38:33
found them she planned a handcuffing to a pole or something
38:35
and called the police. In a crazy
38:38
situation we can either retreat and
38:40
give up or act crazy to survive,
38:42
she told the magazine.
38:44
Again, Mark Weinberger was nowhere
38:46
to be found.
38:49
Kenneth J. Allen, the lawyer representing
38:51
the family of Phyllis Barnes in the malpractice
38:54
lawsuit was assisting in the search.
38:56
He hired a private investigator to follow
38:58
up on reports that Weinberger was in China
39:01
and rumors that he was on his way to Israel, which
39:04
does not extradite American Jews. That
39:06
private investigator came back empty handed.
39:10
Other rumors suggested that the doctor's wife,
39:12
Michelle Kramer, was somehow assisting
39:15
in his escape. Other rumors
39:17
suggested that maybe she'd killed him, but
39:19
that gossip fizzled quickly when people
39:22
realized that Michelle had been victimized
39:24
herself. Mark Weinberger
39:26
had left his wife saddled with $6 million
39:29
in debt and drained their shared checking
39:31
accounts. The house was repossessed
39:33
through foreclosure. His remaining assets
39:35
were eventually auctioned off. Michelle
39:37
filed for bankruptcy and filed
39:40
for divorce. Mark's
39:42
father Fred Weinberger, who had apparently
39:44
lent his son his last million dollars,
39:47
also filed for bankruptcy. Fred
39:49
asked the court-appointed receiver of his son's assets
39:51
to repay the loan plus interest, but
39:53
was denied. Fred
39:56
Weinberger lent Mark the money directly
39:58
and not to his company. Not
40:01
that the company had any assets left either.
40:04
Weinberger had allegedly siphoned $2 million
40:06
from his business, leaving only $7,000 in the checking account.
40:11
The Weinberger Signist Clinic was forced to
40:13
close its doors,
40:14
and over 40 people lost their jobs.
40:17
In absentia, Dr. Mark
40:19
Weinberger's medical license was permanently
40:21
revoked by the state of Indiana in 2005. In
40:25
total, nearly 350 patients
40:27
filed malpractice lawsuits against him,
40:29
alleging that he had performed unnecessary surgeries
40:32
on them. In 2006, Mark
40:34
Weinberger was indicted by a better old
40:37
grand jury for 22 counts of health
40:39
care fraud, for billing the insurance
40:41
companies for procedures never performed. But
40:44
still,
40:45
nobody knew where Mark Weinberger
40:47
was hiding.
40:49
Michelle Prima didn't care anymore.
40:51
She had spread awareness about her missing ex-husband
40:53
on major media programs like The Oprah
40:56
Winfrey Show and Larry King Live. She
40:58
also successfully pushed for the story to
41:00
be covered on America's Most Wanted, but
41:03
then she moved on with her life. Michelle
41:05
resumed her pursuit of a PhD in
41:07
psychology, probably more interested
41:10
than ever.
41:11
She moved to Alabama for an internship to
41:13
work with injured war veterans. Michelle
41:15
spent 12 hours a day with the patients
41:17
that helped put things in perspective.
41:20
Then randomly, on an exceptionally
41:22
cold day of December 2009, Michelle
41:26
received a phone call from a producer at
41:28
America's Most Wanted.
41:29
They told me to sit down,
41:32
that they had some really big news. And
41:34
at that point, I felt like I was punched in the
41:36
stomach. And then I just
41:38
sat down and tears started pouring out of my eyes.
41:41
And I couldn't figure out if there were tears of anger
41:43
or joy. And I called
41:45
my mother and let her know that it was over and that
41:47
he was caught.
41:55
at
42:00
the tiny grocery store where she worked in Cormaire,
42:03
a resort town in northwest Italy at
42:06
the foot of Mont Blanc, the highest peak
42:08
in the Alps. The long-haired
42:10
American, who had shopped there on more
42:12
than one occasion, seemed to share Monica's
42:14
passion for music and outdoor activities.
42:18
Mark Stern told her that he was a divorced Wall
42:20
Street stockbroker who had served his time
42:22
in the rat race and got out as soon as he could
42:24
afford to. He was no longer a slave
42:27
to money. In fact, Mark didn't
42:29
even own a bank account. He paid for
42:31
everything with cash.
42:33
Now, Mark explained to Monica, he
42:35
was living a simple, stress-free
42:37
life. He ended up in Cormaire
42:40
by essentially throwing a dart at a map,
42:42
he said. That's freedom, so
42:45
let's ski. Your girlfriend,
42:47
Monica, she came up here from... Ciao,
42:50
aint? Watch
42:52
the Mont Blanc. Amazing.
42:56
And... Paz.
43:00
Ciao. Ciao. Are you happy? I'm
43:03
happy, baby.
43:05
Mark Stern and Monica Spikonia fell
43:07
in love quickly.
43:08
She felt safe with Mark because he didn't
43:10
even blink an eye when he discovered Monica was transgender.
43:14
And Monica was perfect for him because
43:16
she didn't blink an eye when he told her that he planned
43:18
to live in the mountains by himself in the tent for the
43:20
summer to write a book about survival.
43:24
Of course, he was still Sierra when he hiked into
43:26
town for food or supplies.
43:28
Sometimes Monica would visit Mark at one
43:30
of his three base camps on the mountain. This
43:33
is my little city I started building.
43:36
Yeah. This is base
43:38
camp here. And
43:42
that is the planned expansion
43:44
over there. So
43:46
the city is growing a little.
43:49
After Mark Stern survived the summer, he
43:51
had the urge to stay even longer through
43:54
the fall and into the winter. It
43:56
was exhilarating. But Monica
43:58
soon found out that there was a another explanation.
44:02
On December 10th 2009, Monica's
44:04
spiconius friend sent a link
44:06
to the America's Most Wanted website. There
44:09
was a profile of a wanted man named
44:11
Dr. Mark Weinberger.
44:13
He looked just like her boyfriend Mark
44:15
Stern.
44:17
My whole world collapsed, Monica
44:19
told Vanity Fair. After giving
44:21
it some thoughts, she decided to turn him in.
44:24
It wasn't the first time the local police had heard
44:26
the name. A few months earlier, an
44:28
angry landlord had contacted him because
44:30
Mark Weinberger had stopped paying rent
44:32
on his apartment.
44:34
And as part of the application process, the
44:36
rental company had made a photocopy of the man's
44:38
passport. Mark Weinberger
44:40
had used his real passport. Monica
44:43
confirmed it was the same man and told
44:45
police exactly where they could find him
44:48
on Mont Blanc. After
44:50
waiting out the severe weather, the police set
44:52
off in a snowmobile searching for Mark Weinberger.
44:55
Climbers and mountain guides were happy to point
44:57
them in the right direction of the crazy man
45:00
camping in sub-zero temperatures. When
45:03
they found his camp, the police approached the man
45:05
and asked for identification.
45:07
Mark Weinberger was cooperative.
45:09
He told him he was a 46-year-old divorce
45:11
surgeon who just wanted to live a quiet
45:14
life. He willingly let them
45:16
take him into custody.
45:18
At the police station, Weinberger asked to use the
45:20
bathroom. She sat on the toilet
45:22
in front of an officer standing guard who
45:25
couldn't prevent Weinberger from producing a
45:27
hidden knife and slashing his own throat.
45:30
The expert surgeon narrowly missed his
45:32
own jugular and survived. While
45:34
recovering in the hospital, Weinberger also
45:37
tried pulling a plastic bag over his head to
45:39
end it all but failed. He
45:41
would actually have to face the misery he
45:43
left in his wake.
45:45
And a fugitive doctor from Indiana
45:47
known as the nose doctor
45:49
has been found living in the Italian Alps.
45:52
Dr. Mark Weinberger had been on the run
45:55
for five years. He's accused of actually scheming
45:57
to overbill insurance companies for perceiving
45:59
the case. that were either not needed or
46:02
sometimes they weren't even performed. Police
46:04
say he stabbed himself in the neck when he was arrested.
46:06
He's under medical supervision at the prison
46:08
ward and an Italian hospital right
46:10
now as we speak.
46:12
Mark S. Weinberger was extradited
46:15
to the United States on February 25th 2010. In October 2010
46:20
he pleaded guilty to all 22 health
46:23
care fraud charges against him.
46:25
Damages were estimated at $318,000. Specifically you would
46:27
build private health
46:31
benefit providers for procedures costing
46:34
between 16,740 and 2,600 that were
46:39
not in fact performed on
46:41
various private health benefit customers. Do you
46:43
want me to run through? I understand what
46:46
they're alleging.
46:50
If the judge accepted this plea Weinberger
46:52
would receive a maximum of only four
46:55
years in prison. His victims were
46:57
outraged.
46:58
Such a lenient sentence would be a travesty.
47:01
The judge was still deciding.
47:03
In the meantime
47:04
lawsuits involving almost 350 former
47:07
patients were moving forward. The
47:10
reality is Dr. Weinberger
47:12
was a fraud. He was unnecessarily
47:16
so fraud I should say because Dr.
47:18
Weinberger had a practice where he was making
47:21
up to $200,000 a week with surgery.
47:25
Living on the Gold Coast, commuting with the chauffeur
47:27
driven limousine, jaunting
47:29
in the Mediterranean on his 84th yacht
47:31
with his wife. All
47:34
of that inexplicably,
47:38
inexplicably that greed is what
47:40
caused us to be here today. We're looking
47:42
forward to having Dr. Weinberger held
47:44
accountable for his greed
47:46
for his malpractice for his negligence
47:49
and frankly we want to make sure that not
47:51
only is he held accountable but that this kind of practice
47:54
does not occur anywhere else
47:56
in the United States and that other families
47:59
are not victimized. That's right, greedy
48:01
physicians who have no moral
48:04
codes.
48:05
In March 2011, Phyllis
48:07
Barnes' lawsuit against Weinberger and
48:09
a previous physician assistant was finally
48:12
heard by a jury. The family of Phyllis
48:14
Barnes was seeking millions and medical bills,
48:17
projected lost lifetime earnings, loss
48:19
of affection and motherly love, and
48:21
millions more in punitive damages.
48:24
Kenneth Allen, the lawyer representing the Barnes
48:26
family, argued that Dr. Mark Weinberger
48:29
was responsible for Phyllis' death because
48:31
he missed an obvious diagnosis.
48:33
Had Weinberger done his job,
48:35
Phyllis could have received treatment earlier
48:38
and might still be alive today.
48:40
Weinberger's defense disagreed.
48:42
Phyllis probably would have died anyway, they
48:45
argued.
48:46
Mark Weinberger was deposed for the case, but
48:48
pleaded the fifth 150 times. On
48:51
the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer
48:53
based upon my Fifth Amendment privilege.
48:56
After six days of trial, the jury
48:58
returned to verdict.
48:59
Mark Weinberger was found liable,
49:01
the other defendant was not.
49:04
The Barnes family was awarded $3 million
49:06
in compensatory damages and $10 million
49:09
in punitive damages,
49:10
later reduced to Indiana's statutory
49:13
cap or malpractice suits of one
49:15
and a quarter million dollars and $9 million
49:18
respectively. This is
49:20
what you deserve. You got what you deserve.
49:22
And the reality is, we're
49:25
gonna collect it from you one way or the other, brother. That's
49:28
what I'd say to Mark Weinberger.
49:31
Weinberger's insurance companies were on the hook
49:33
for a small portion of the damages, but they
49:35
tried to fight it.
49:36
The insurance companies claimed they were absolved of their
49:39
obligations since Weinberger fled the country.
49:41
Eventually, a judge would have to decide. Also,
49:44
the state of Indiana would collect a vast portion
49:46
of the punitive damages to fund the Victim
49:48
Compensation Fund, which would help pay
49:50
Weinberger's other victims since his assets
49:53
were depleted long ago.
49:55
For the recording, are
49:57
you Dr. Mark S. Weinberger? Yes.
50:00
Do you have money in any accounts
50:03
anywhere?
50:04
No.
50:06
In other words it would take a while before Sean
50:08
Barnes saw a payout from the verdict but
50:11
the accountability was still sweet.
50:34
Weinberger's victims scored another win a month
50:36
later when the judge rejected the plea deal
50:38
in this criminal case.
50:40
Weinberger earned 27 million dollars over
50:42
three years and was only being charged
50:44
on 22 counts for $318,000. That's
50:48
a rather strong income take for one doctor
50:50
the judge said. Based on that and
50:53
other cases I'm not confident the
50:55
scope of fraud was limited to the 22 counts
50:57
the government investigated.
50:59
The judge also acknowledged the outrage
51:01
of the victims but reminded them that
51:03
it should be settled in a civil setting. This
51:06
case has nothing to do with how good of a doctor
51:08
the defendant was or wasn't he said.
51:10
This is simply an insurance fraud case
51:13
nothing more nothing less. Weinberger
51:16
believes that he's the smartest man in the room and
51:18
today he
51:20
discovered he's not.
51:23
Mark Weinberger agreed to a revised
51:25
plea deal shortly after the captors
51:27
sentence at 10 years instead of four.
51:29
He was sentenced on October 12th 2012.
51:33
For the first time since his capture
51:35
Weinberger spoke in public. I'm
51:38
sorry I lied I stole
51:40
I betrayed a sacred trust
51:42
I have no excuse there is no excuse
51:45
I let so many people down
51:47
my behavior was bizarre it was outrageous
51:50
it was stupid the best I could do
51:52
is spend every minute trying to redeem myself is
51:55
redemption possible
51:57
I don't know but please your honor
51:59
let me
51:59
try.
52:01
Mark Weinberger was sentenced to seven years
52:03
in prison.
52:04
He was released in five.
52:06
Mark was last spotted living in Florida,
52:08
playing with crypto and still calling himself
52:11
a doctor. He was now known as
52:13
the Yoga Doctor.
52:14
Yeah, you and every other weird
52:16
old man at the park.
52:18
For real though, Mark Weinberger is selling
52:20
an online class called Superhero
52:22
Yoga Moves for dorks.
52:24
It costs $197 and will
52:27
help you quote, meet hot chicks and
52:29
look great naked. This is
52:32
not an endorsement by the way. I
52:34
haven't tried it.
52:35
But clearly,
52:36
he is on a new path. Mark
52:39
Weinberger's victims have tried to create new paths
52:41
of their own. In 2013, the bulk of
52:44
the civil lawsuits were settled for a total
52:47
of $66 million, which
52:49
came out to about $195,000 each.
52:53
I guess that's what our dignity is
52:55
worth.
52:56
Now we know. And
52:58
the real victims are not the banks or the insurance
53:01
company that was defrauded. The real victims
53:03
are the people that were harmed.
53:10
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