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Over the last few years, wildfires
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have been causing record levels of destruction
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in parts of the country. Virginia
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in particular has felt the brunt of the damage.
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The fires have burned through millions of acres
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of land and damaged thousands of
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buildings, many of them homes.
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I finally got to the house and it was just, it
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was gone. Entire hillsides
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engulfed in flames, forcing many people to
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evacuate their homes. There were some houses
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over there. This is completely
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devastating. We
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got to get out of here. Ashes
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are coming down. Everybody says it was just
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stuff, but it was all
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I had.
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As their homes have been destroyed, more
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and more Californians have had to file insurance
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claims.
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And insurance companies say they've
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had to pay out tens of billions of dollars
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in these claims.
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And now, some insurance companies
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are going to stop offering new home insurance
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policies in the state altogether. State
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Farm is no longer accepting new applications
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for homeowner's insurance in California. All
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state has stopped accepting new
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policies in California because
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of wildfires, among other things. We
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spoke to one Northern California homeowner about
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his experience getting his home insured.
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We're all nervous. You know,
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everyone in Sonoma County is nervous. I
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don't know how many companies are going to stay.
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Or if they keep me, is the rate going
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to skyrocket? This is
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the new normal.
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Welcome to The Journal, our show about the about
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money, business, and power. I'm
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Jessica Mendoza. It's Tuesday,
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June 20th. Coming
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up on the show, why Californians
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are struggling to find home insurance.
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Would you mind just introducing yourself and
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telling us a little bit about you? Sure.
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My name is Phillip Parkinson.
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I live in the San Francisco
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Bay Area.
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Up until a few years ago, Phillip Parkinson
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and his late husband Stan lived in the city
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of San Francisco.
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But we did not want to retire there.
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We both wanted more space, and
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we both wanted a yard. So
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in April of 2019, they bought their
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dream home in Occidental, California,
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a small, rural area a few miles from
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the Pacific Ocean. It
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is a lovely three-bedroom,
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two-bath house on
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six and a half acres. It's very
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quiet, very peaceful, which is what really drew
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us to it.
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And there's an entire area downstairs,
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which we turned into an art studio for my
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husband. He was
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a painter, and he had always wanted his own
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studio, and he never had one. So that also
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drew us to the house.
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That sounds really lovely. It's
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beautiful. Every morning, I sit
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in a chair. We have these cathedral windows,
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and have my coffee, and look out at the valley,
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and think how incredibly fortunate
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I am to live here.
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When we bought this property, we really
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weren't thinking of wildfire.
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But then we bought it in April of 2019,
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and then in October.
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we actually had to evacuate.
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There was a fire, this was like Santa
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Rosa fire. Also
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known as the Kincaid fire, it burned through
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almost 80,000 acres. So
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we actually had to evacuate for a week,
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which kind of freaked us out a little bit. We're
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like, oh my God, where did we buy a house?
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In the end, that fire didn't reach
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Occidental, but Philip and Stan
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saw it as a wake-up call. They
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decided to get their house evaluated by a fire
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safety expert and immediately
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got to fireproofing. So
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we were given a very long list of
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things that we needed to do, and we've learned
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a lot.
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It's called liming trees, where they say
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that makes your branches are at least six feet
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off the ground so that a fire can't
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leap from the ground up into the trees. So
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all of the trees that are even remotely
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near our home,
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we limed all the trees.
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We did a lot of clearing a brush.
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So we just pushed everything, like we
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whacked it down to the ground. We pushed everything
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away from the house. We
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had a new roof put on the house,
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new gutters,
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which we keep clean
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so that things can accumulate in the gutters.
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We put a strip of
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gravel around most of our house
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so that nothing could grow.
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We had
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the decks painted, which would be more resistant
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to fire than heavy in raw wood.
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So we did quite a bit to
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try to make it as safe as we possibly could.
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That's a lot of work. It
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was a lot. It was very expensive,
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but we felt like to protect the property
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where we wanted to be our forever home,
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we really
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felt that was an investment we needed to make.
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While Philip was doing all this work, he also
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had the protection of a home insurance policy
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from the company Liberty Mutual.
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But
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in January of last year,
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I received a letter out of the blue saying
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that they were not going to renew our
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policy in April because
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of it just said because of wire fraud danger.
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And at the time
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my husband was dying from cancer,
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I was taking care of him at home
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myself. I'm
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so sorry. And I didn't, I
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was so distracted and consumed
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by that. I kind of put the letter down. When
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I did, was able to give attention
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to the letter say March,
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I thought, well, I'm going to call them and tell them about all
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this great work I've done. Surely if they
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understand what we've done, it will make
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a difference. And it didn't.
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They literally told me it
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doesn't matter what you've done.
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You're in a certain zone.
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When we asked Liberty Mutual about Philip,
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the company said that it doesn't comment on individual
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cases, but that it continues to cover
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homes in other parts of the state.
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Unlike State Farm and Allstate, both
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companies have stopped selling new home
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insurance policies, not just in areas
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at risk of wildfires, but everywhere
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in the state of California. These
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are giant companies. And for them to say
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they're no longer willing to offer home insurance
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in any part of California, is
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a big shift.
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Our colleague Jean Eaglesham covers insurance.
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And she says that California, the state
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with the biggest population in the country, is
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a huge market for insurance companies. While
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the state doesn't require homeowners to have insurance,
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many people have to have it as a condition of their mortgage.
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Tell us about State Farm and Allstate.
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How big are they as players in California? State
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Farm and Allstate
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are huge in California. State Farm
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alone has a fifth of the
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market. According to insurance brokers
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that we've spoken to, they've played a
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very important role in recent years
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because they've been willing to
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offer home insurance.
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insurance policies on valuable
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properties in areas at
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pretty high risk of wildfire. So
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one broker said to us, they're the only game in town.
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If you've got a mansion in an area
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that's
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vulnerable to wildfire, really state
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farm and all state have been the ones that the
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brokers would typically go to.
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So what's led to them pulling out now?
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There's two things really led up to this crisis
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point.
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One is we're seeing these wildfires
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of increasing severity
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and also increasing frequency. So
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we had bad wildfire years in 2017, 2018, again in 2020. And
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the extent of those wildfires, the extent of the losses
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for insurers, were such that it
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wiped out years and years and years of profits.
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Insurance companies say that payouts on claims
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to California homeowners more than doubled
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from 2019 to 2022.
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The other
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thing more immediately is since the pandemic,
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we've seen this higher inflation and supply
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chain issues, and that's pushed
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up rebuilding
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costs very significantly.
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So they're facing this squeeze
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from higher costs and also
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the threat of higher losses from wildfires.
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And those aren't the only problems.
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California has very specific rules
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about how much insurance companies can charge
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homeowners. And insurance companies
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say they've had enough.
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That's next.
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What sort of regulations does California have in
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place when it comes to how insurance
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companies set prices? So
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California has a... a very either
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consumer friendly or industry
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unfriendly approach depending on how you look at it.
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In the state,
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the voters back in the
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80s passed a law essentially insurers
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have to get every increase in
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premiums approved by the insurance
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commissioner. Also,
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California can make it very tough for insurance
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companies to raise rates by more than 7%. If
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they do want to hike rates by more than that, the
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request has to go to a public hearing and
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that process can take months or even years.
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So insurance companies have typically kept their increases
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to just below 7%. And
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that has
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worked in consumers favor in the sense
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that it's kept premiums relatively low
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and the insurance commission says they've saved billions
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of dollars
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for consumers.
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Insurance companies say they've also had to
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deal with another problem. It's
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not just the amounts that the commissioner
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has seen as being very tough on, it's also
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the methodology the insurers are
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allowed to use. They can only
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base their requests on 20 years
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of historic data. Basically,
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California says insurance companies cannot
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set premiums based on estimates of
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future losses. Consumer advocates
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see these predictive models as unreliable
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and easily exploitable.
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So insurance companies have to base their rates
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on losses they've had in the past when
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wildfires were less of a problem.
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Other disaster-prone states like Texas
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and Louisiana allow insurance companies
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to consider future risk when setting
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insurance premium rates.
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We spoke to Rex Frazier about this.
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He's the president of the Personal Insurance Federation
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of California, which represents large
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insurance companies in the state.
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Why are we in California, a state
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where so much of our politics are
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defined by issues of climate change,
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why are insurers being asked to project?
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their future losses based upon the average
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of their last 20 years. We think that
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doesn't make sense because wildfire is
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just taking up a much larger
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role now than it did
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in the past. And the
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regulations, which haven't been updated in
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over two decades, ought to be updated to
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do that.
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When Liberty Mutual told Philip Parkinson
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it wasn't going to renew his policy, he
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started making calls.
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I called every insurance
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company that my neighbors used, all
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the ones that I could think of. And
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as soon as I gave them my address, they
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typed it in and they would come back and say, you're
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in a zone where we can't write new policies.
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The state of California does offer
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a, quote, last resort insurance policy
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for homeowners who can't get insured. It's
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called the Fair Plan, but it only
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offers very basic coverage for fires.
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Philip considered the Fair Plan as an option,
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but he found that it costs a lot more than private
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insurance companies.
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So kind of as a last resort
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before I went with the Fair Plan is there is
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a local insurance agency in
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Occidental, believe it or not, this tiny little town, and
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I called them to say, do you have any
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ideas? Is there anything that I could do? And
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they asked me if I had called AAA
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and I said no, because I thought they only did
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cars and they said, no, they do property as well.
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I called him that day and he said,
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if they're willing, if they said yes, bind
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it today because tomorrow
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they could say no. AAA
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said yes. So Philip signed up for
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the policy. He now pays a
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premium that is double what he paid with Liberty
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Mutual. But he says it's still considerably
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cheaper than what he'd have paid for the California
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Fair Plan.
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So you got on AAA insurance
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last year.
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Did it renew this year?
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So I knew it was supposed to. to renew in early April.
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So I kind of spent the whole month of February because
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that was my window,
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just hoping that a letter was not going
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to arrive and it didn't. So my,
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it did renew in April, but
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now I know that this is my new normal. It's
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like, so right now I have coverage through April 24
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and I'm gonna have to wait and
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see if they renew it next year. Well, having
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struggled with your home insurance
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policy, do you still feel
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like you made the right decision with your house? I
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do.
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Actually I do because this
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house was a dream come true
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for us. And
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it
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would break my heart to sell this
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property. Stan loved this property
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so much. He loved the garden.
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He grew flowers and vegetables
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and his art studio,
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like I said,
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I never want to sell this house. I'm
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gonna do everything I can to keep it, to
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protect it. I do want to
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stay here.
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Not having home insurance is a huge issue
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if your house burns down,
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but it's also an issue for people who want to sell their
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homes.
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It's a lot harder to find a buyer for a house that
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can't get insured or can get insured,
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but at a really high rate. What
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would you say to insurance companies who
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have pulled out or are considering pulling
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out of California because of wildfire
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risk? You
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know, our climate is changing.
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I totally understand, yes,
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I'm gonna pay a higher premium here than
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say a home
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that's completely
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urban in the middle of a concrete
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jungle perhaps. But
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probably the number one thing that I really
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wish
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could be the case
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is that I do think insurance companies
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should have to consider wildfire
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mitigation work that you may have
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done on your property.
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California is now asking insurance companies
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to offer discounts to people who work on
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fireproofing their property. The
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state says it will also hold public meetings
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to discuss using wildfire predictions to set
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insurance premiums. But
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our colleague Jean says it's a delicate balancing
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act.
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Because on the one hand, they
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want to keep premiums as low as possible. On
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the other hand, they have to make sure they don't
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over ratchet down the premiums because they
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need to make sure that these companies can actually
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afford to stay in California. What
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are consumer advocates saying about all this? Consumer
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advocates are worried. They
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think there are higher premiums coming. What
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they say is they think there's a degree
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of the industry here
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just using this as a negotiating tactic. In
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particular, they think that the
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industry is potentially picking
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on California in a way to try and send
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a message to the regulators
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across the U.S. Look, if
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you try and pressure
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us too much, hold our premiums down too much,
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we might walk out from your state the
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same way that we're now treating
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California. In fact,
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Florida is already dealing with soaring home
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insurance rates because many homes there
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are in hurricane-prone areas.
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Why are there
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questions being raised about
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how do you help people who just
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can't get insurance because
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a risk is just too high
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for them to get any policy they can actually realistically
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afford? What happens with those people
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who are left effectively exposed
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without insurance? I think the
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concern is whether that starts
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to become a problem in, say,
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California or in other states that
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are vulnerable to these climate
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change-related
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risks.
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across the rest of the country. That's
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all for today, Tuesday, June 20th. The
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